EPTI might be daft, how?
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Eversince
Philippines2301 Posts
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NoSmurfHere
New Zealand613 Posts
On July 26 2019 11:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Ok I don't like this post from slam at all. The whole part about "making associates later" reeks like TMI and this post is basically slam's way of distancing himself from the lynch so that he's on the right side of the vote that he knows will flip town. Aside from that, he literally admits his reasons for voting the hydra are terrible but he's saving rayn, I view this as scummy since it's hard for me to believe someone organically comes up with a townread so strong on D1 that they're willing to vote for someone else they don't think is scum in order to save them. Alright so I'm still leaning scum on FF, I think that the hydra makes a decent point here I think the TMI argument on slam is actually very strong, and I have some meta reasons as well that I can go over if anyone cares to but I'm really interested as to where you're getting this townread from, could you elaborate more on that? I disagree with the hydra scum read but coag is also a soft townread for me. Was really hoping from more than this from you vivax, picking lurkers as your suspects is weaksauce. Koshi and Tube are definitely my strongest townreads. I think what I've highlighted red here sums up parts of my meta read on slam. Based on my memory, slam is absolutely not playing his usual self and he is aware of it and has tried to emulate that at times but it feels artificial. He is much too serious and, in his own words, careful compared to what town slam does. Ok you and Tube agreeing on this is enough to give me pause but I really would like to know what you think of some of the points I've brought up earlier in this post. I'm not going to just sheep either of you without some decent reasoning behind your thought process. Alright I'm caught up and this is where I'm at. I think the TMI evidence, along with the meta/gut read I've got on slam is the strongest I've got right now. Going to go ahead and vote for him. FF is probably my second strongest read with a mix of Chez/Pandain/the dude who replaced in to round things out. I don’t have a super strong read on Koshi but I also have tube as my strongest town read. I had Vivax as well but he got shot. Jock was stronger on FF being scum than I was, but now I’ve come around. I think the opposite may have been true for slam but not sure, I think we are both in agreement that FF and slam look bad but will wait for Jock to come back in as there are things I want to discuss with him. As for Tube saying that slam reading into why Vivax got shot and fingering HF & Pandain afterward is a fine reason for him to flip his townread, I think that’s a very weak argument. First of all, slam’s response to me when I said “how are you so sure that HF is town here when even though I agree with HF I don’t have a read yet” was basically, cryptic TL;DR “because I know HF well” Then if he knows HF well, he’d know that HF scum would likely never shoot Vivax on n1. Hell, he even made a jab at me because he thinks that is such a whacky kill that only someone with bad night kill skills would do such a thing. On top of that Vivax barely mentioned HF at all, just made one passing comment on both HF and Pandain to look into them. This is 100% not a reason to completely flip your read if you supposedly know HF well, because 1.) he was unlikely to shoot Vivax in the first place and 2.) even if he would shoot Vivax, HF is not such a weak scum player that he’d be worried about an offhand reference like that. If anything it amplifies Vivax’s posts significantly when he was barely active yesterday and would backfire really badly. + Show Spoiler + i know I said I wouldn’t speculate further but I can’t resist. It smells more like a failed mason hunting attempt than anything else because scum are dumb -wherebugsgo | ||
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NoSmurfHere
New Zealand613 Posts
There is an essentially 0% chance Tube is scum here, and any townie worth their salt should have already realized this. Like there is no tube powerscum play here possible because something incredibly incredibly unlikely would have had to have happened on day 1 for that to be the case. -wherebugsgo | ||
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Eversince
Philippines2301 Posts
 I do think blindly following people instead of thinking for yourself is pretty dumpster though. Part of the problem I had with Koshi blindly like 'I'm do whatever Eywa does!!' It's still giving me bad vibes. I'm almost cuaght up now though so I haven't had time to digest and think things through real well since I literally just read the entire game. (almost) | ||
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Eversince
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NoSmurfHere
New Zealand613 Posts
On July 26 2019 12:11 Eversince wrote: I will say though I reallly liked your point about FF t!rayn read but not evven bothering to try to save him by moving his vote though if I'm remembreing EoD though. Rayn was so obvious town he soft crumbed stupid early with the Eywa fight my gosh :/.. That was Jock’s point and I agree it is very good. On Koshi, I agree with you that his behaviour in this game is rather odd. He looks the worst out of the 3 players on my watchlist (which I will say now, is just HF Pandain Koshi) and will probably be the replacement for Coag/Chezinu if the two C’s can convince me they are town today. So yeah. We kill slam or FF today. As always Jock controls our vote unless otherwise stated. -wherebugsgo | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9856 Posts
Pandain (2): Alakaslam, Koshi NoSmurfHere (2): FecalFeast, Tubesock Alakaslam (2): Eywa, Meapak_Ziphh Tubesock (1): Chezinu Meapak_Ziphh (0): Not Voting (5): NoSmurfHere, Holyflare, Pandain, Coagulation, Eversince Pandain is currently set to be lynched. Please let us know if you notice any mistakes! The deadline is Saturday, Jul 27 8:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in | ||
Fecalfeast
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Fecalfeast
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On July 26 2019 12:06 NoSmurfHere wrote: There is an essentially 0% chance Tube is scum here, and any townie worth their salt should have already realized this. Like there is no tube powerscum play here possible because something incredibly incredibly unlikely would have had to have happened on day 1 for that to be the case. -wherebugsgo wait lmao that's why you think I'm scum? nice | ||
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Fecalfeast
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NoSmurfHere
New Zealand613 Posts
On July 26 2019 12:21 Fecalfeast wrote: I could kill slam On July 26 2019 12:22 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm not going to until hydra dies tho I’ll be surprised if we get lynched but you’re welcome to try. It might advance your win-condition but in the end we’re both town so Tube might not be very happy with you afterward. -wherebugsgo | ||
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Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
On July 26 2019 12:26 NoSmurfHere wrote: Chezinu voting tubesock is actually quite odd so I’d love to get an explanation for that. I’ll be surprised if we get lynched but you’re welcome to try. It might advance your win-condition but in the end we’re both town so Tube might not be very happy with you afterward. -wherebugsgo It probably will advance my wincon yeah thanks | ||
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NoSmurfHere
New Zealand613 Posts
On July 26 2019 12:25 Fecalfeast wrote: Why let jock 'control the vote' when he could just unvote whatever you pick? What? I’m not picking anything, Jock is in full control of who we vote, and I support his decision making. We talk privately and I’ve asked him to focus on reading you because I was focusing on other players. Now I see exactly why he thinks you’re scum and that post alone really stood out to me. Anyway his vote is my vote, that’s all there is to it. -wherebugsgo | ||
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Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
On July 26 2019 12:28 NoSmurfHere wrote: What? I’m not picking anything, Jock is in full control of who we vote, and I support his decision making. We talk privately and I’ve asked him to focus on reading you because I was focusing on other players. Now I see exactly why he thinks you’re scum and that post alone really stood out to me. Anyway his vote is my vote, that’s all there is to it. -wherebugsgo You're saying you didn't see why he did beforehand? | ||
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Fecalfeast
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Fecalfeast
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We talk privately and I’ve asked him to focus on reading you because I was focusing on other players. Now I see exactly why he thinks you’re scum and that post alone really stood out to me. "We talk privately and I’ve asked him to focus on reading you" You've been talking privately with jock and I assume that you mean you've talked about the game and your respective reads. You asked him to focus on reading me, cool, since you speak privately he would likely tell you what he thinks of me and why. "Now I see exactly why he thinks you’re scum and that post alone really stood out to me." So, going off what you said in the previous sentence, you've been in contact and you asked him to specifically look at me. You say here you now see why he scumreads me. Was he confusing when he spoke to you privately about his read on me? Did you disagree with his reads? I made a post expressing paranoia that my top townread could be tricking me and now it all comes together and he really made a lot of sense? Try harder scum | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On July 26 2019 11:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I could be on board with this if something changes my slam read. I think Pandain was scum in the game back in February and I think he lurked the shit out of that one too. Ok let's kill Pandain. Your points on Alakaslam have been true. The problem with it though is he actively changes his game. There was a time for sure that he tried harder as mafia. I think it's no longer a good metric now because he has matured, and that the atmosphere since TL's last mafia game ever is more conducive for him to actually play like he wants. Like Onegu he has tried to play seriously and has been punished for it. So, I think he's trying anew. I could be way off. I also like what he's written. I also believed that rayn would flip town. I have made that exact post he did when I was town. I've been killed for TMI for it also. Like three times I've been miss lynched for "TMI". Kinda hilarious. I like that he is genuinely trying to be transparent. He is also paranoid of people. He's unsure of his HF read. Not waffling on HF's alignment is crazy. Flat crazy. FF didn't scumclaim. I'm too lazy to look for it, but he has made similiar statements before when he has a strong townread. It's a well I've been fooled before. have you not read someone mafia person as strong town? If Bugs is as good as he says he is, then I'm certain that people have done that to him too. Saying it is a scumclaim is disrespecting my scumplay. Which I don't mind, I like that none of you remember how I play as town or mafia. Works great. | ||
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Fecalfeast
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On July 26 2019 12:37 Tubesock wrote: Ok let's kill Pandain. Your points on Alakaslam have been true. The problem with it though is he actively changes his game. There was a time for sure that he tried harder as mafia. I think it's no longer a good metric now because he has matured, and that the atmosphere since TL's last mafia game ever is more conducive for him to actually play like he wants. Like Onegu he has tried to play seriously and has been punished for it. So, I think he's trying anew. I could be way off. I also like what he's written. I also believed that rayn would flip town. I have made that exact post he did when I was town. I've been killed for TMI for it also. Like three times I've been miss lynched for "TMI". Kinda hilarious. I like that he is genuinely trying to be transparent. He is also paranoid of people. He's unsure of his HF read. Not waffling on HF's alignment is crazy. Flat crazy. FF didn't scumclaim. I'm too lazy to look for it, but he has made similiar statements before when he has a strong townread. It's a well I've been fooled before. have you not read someone mafia person as strong town? If Bugs is as good as he says he is, then I'm certain that people have done that to him too. Saying it is a scumclaim is disrespecting my scumplay. Which I don't mind, I like that none of you remember how I play as town or mafia. Works great. hydra still scum | ||
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Eversince
Philippines2301 Posts
I checked EoD votes and even if FF changed votes to you no one off Rayn wagon was going to move and Coag was mia iirc. So it's weird but I'm not sure it anything more than NAI. I'm completely caught up now, I'm strech my legs and let the dog out! Be back in 5-10! | ||
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