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NoSmurfHere
New Zealand613 Posts
this game is so hilarious Anyway we just have to wait for Eywa. Eywa if you hammer Eversince it prevents her from moving her vote last minute. Either the game ends or we have to lynch Pandain afterward. I actually don’t really care if you hammer or not (Jock might) because I’ve had my fun this game and idgaf about winning/losing -wherebugsgo | ||
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NoSmurfHere
New Zealand613 Posts
On August 05 2019 08:22 Eversince wrote: I miss this but you're going to add my wording to reasons to scum read me? My English isn't the best already so sorry if I use other people's wording? I had said at that point it was between MZ/ Pandain for me regardless. But you go on keeping your ES is totes mafia for bullshit reasons. I'm get a bunch of laughs from it later  . We both enjoy game! (ok not so much today because of very obvious reasons) But the fact I think your being a puppet for scum (assuming your not actual scum here) makes me mafia? Pfffft.You know if I had to be completely honest with you it bothers me that there is a tiny chance you could be town. Literally inexplicable if you are though. I’m happy with letting Koshi or Eywa win if that’s the case  they would deserve the win far more than we do.I’m chillin in the airport now waiting for my first plane. Got about 18 hours of transit in front of me. My arrival time lines up with deadline I think. -wherebugsgo | ||
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NoSmurfHere
New Zealand613 Posts
Pandain vote might work better... But then we're just putting off the inevitable ES/eywa argument so I suppose we might as well just get it over with and agree that pandain dies tomorrow if ES flips red. -J | ||
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NoSmurfHere
New Zealand613 Posts
gg everyone. -J | ||
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NoSmurfHere
New Zealand613 Posts
It would have been a coin flip no matter what given how ES played. wp to scum, especially Eywa! -wherebugsgo | ||
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NoSmurfHere
New Zealand613 Posts
Play like scum, die like scum. -wherebugsgo | ||
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NoSmurfHere
New Zealand613 Posts
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NoSmurfHere
New Zealand613 Posts
On August 06 2019 05:16 Branch.AUT wrote: Excellent play jock! Espcially when you stepped out of bugs shadow d4, we got a lot done! We should have won. I posted in Bugs and my QT about half hour before the end that the silence in the thread was making me think it was a mislynch, but i didn't have the balls to change the vote at the end in case i was wrong haha. You should play here more often though, and panic less at end of day cos i was fully convinced you were mafia at that point... Also I wouldn't be the newbie anymore I hope I'm scum next time, I'm a much better scum player i think. Playing hydra is awesome. -J | ||
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NoSmurfHere
New Zealand613 Posts
The mafia night kills were a bit bad though because on that day 4 their plan was really obvious. Their night kill of you worked perfectly though. Eversince fell right for it picking up pandain's accusation that he aimed at us and it really made me think she was scum. If that was the mafia plan it was pretty nicely done. -J | ||
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NoSmurfHere
New Zealand613 Posts
10 posts/RL day between 2 people, easy. You don't even have to put anything interesting, just notes. If I'd somehow left clues in there then yeah I can understand it being cheating but I didn't. Next time that's something that should be addressed before the game starts. -J | ||
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NoSmurfHere
New Zealand613 Posts
Sorry for continually posting with my jock account and forgetting to sign posts. AND THEY SAY WEED DOESN'T MELT YOUR BRAIN. -J | ||
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NoSmurfHere
New Zealand613 Posts
Really enjoyed the game Also sorry if I was a bit too harsh on anyone, within the game I of course have strong opinions. Please don’t take anything I say personally and do let me know if I’m being too much of an asshole. Some random thoughts: + Show Spoiler + I have pretty much no regrets this game, the only thing I would change is that I should have leaned much much harder on MZ and Pandain because I gave both players huge passes when they didn’t deserve them, especially day 1. If I had the time or the energy I would have probably tried to derail the Chezinu lynch. I think it would’ve ultimately made no difference though because first 3 cycles was TvT every single time. At LYLO if you are a townie (ahem Eversince) please do not hold your vote till the last moment. idgaf if that’s how you play normally because you are literally signaling that you are either scum or are going to waste your vote and consolidate on whatever wagon that appears which means you are essentially useless for the cycle. This is especially the case because holding your vote for so long is not inclusive, it is not cooperative, and it is an incredibly selfish play; it does not consider the perspectives of the other townies who are trying to figure out your alignment. Your vote is more important than your voice. As an example, if I were solo playing this game, in LYLO I would not be around for the 6-7 hours before deadline because it’s at 5 am. I am only here now because my flight arrived 30 minutes ago and I’m waiting on a bus. In that situation, if a player says they’re going to hold their vote till the end there’s absolutely nothing I can do except park my vote earlier in the day and hope I am right. I am forced to lead on my best scum read (aka I’m now forced to play selfishly too) rather than cooperatively work out what’s best for the entire faction. I believe this applies not just in LYLO but on other days too. Had we started cooperating earlier this game would have been a lot easier. For instance, Koshi’s points on Eywa were all really good. Had we been able to start on that path one cycle earlier it wouldn’t have mattered if ES was low on time, not really understanding what was going on (mixing up day 2 and day 4? Lol) etc. Not being cooperative is also 100% the reason town lynched both rayn and FF, IMO. I think it’s also quite telling that Jock and I took a lot of flak for these lynches even though in the end I don’t believe we really swung them much at all. Our vote on rayn wasn’t even consequential, for instance. -wherebugsgo | ||
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NoSmurfHere
New Zealand613 Posts
I’d quote it/paraphrase far more often too. And I’d probably coach Jock much harder rather than letting him basically do his thing and control the vote. As scum for instance I most definitely would not have let Jock cave to HF’s threat. Instead I probably would’ve just turned that wagon on HF. -wherebugsgo | ||
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NoSmurfHere
New Zealand613 Posts
On August 06 2019 07:34 Eversince wrote: Thanks for hosting Grack!! Sorry guys for giving up at the end. I knew I wasn't going to have time to defend myself and even if I was not lynched I just would of been '?' entire game anyway. So I made executive choice to just take the ML. I wasn't planning on being anywhere as close to as busy as I turned out being so my play this game was basically just trash all around  ..I have no personal problem with what you did but just FYI that you did not need to defend yourself at all. You just needed to calm down and read what me and Jock were telling you. Mixing up d2 and d4, waffling on Pandain when he should be 100% scum from your town perspective, waffling on Koshi when he should be 99% town, these are all just straight up mistakes you can only make if you’re checked out and not reading and haven’t properly read almost anything in the game for 72+ hours. Jock and I both even fed you the right answers multiple times and you still didn’t get it. This is the whole reason I even bothered to begin the interactions with you; I personally had Eywa as a possibility of being scum but after 3-4 posts where you continued to show a complete inability to understand even the most basic of things happening I just threw it all out the window and was fine with the vote being left on you. Had you voted Pandain earlier or actually just stopped and read what I was saying even once I would have started to push harder on killing Pandain first because it was technically optimal. We needed Koshi to be present and this is another big reason why you refusing to place your vote is so incredibly anti-town, because the three townies need to work in unison at all times, transcending time zones and all sorts of IRL shit that interferes with that. If you withhold your vote till the last 2 hours like you did almost every cycle (and I believe your vote was 100% inconsequential for every cycle this game) then the simplest answer for anyone without the prior knowledge that you are town is that you are scum. Anyway if you still don’t get why we AND Koshi did what we did, I highly recommend reading our filter from this post onward: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/549650-cupids-arrow-mafia?page=104#2073 Both Jock and I were basically begging you to give us the sign that you are town and you just didn’t do what you needed to. I still have no idea why you were so hung up on Pandain when his actions should have auto confirmed him as scum to you, regardless of who he is. -wherebugsgo | ||
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