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On June 26 2019 17:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2019 17:45 Holyflare wrote:
Just lynch who you think is mafia dudes. Stop this pointless shit. I don't think you can confirm anyone on any wagon at all. yeah lets not make reads based on what people did
Confirming people for arbitrarily voting slam who would have been warned and was just a goon when mafia need to make a play against 3 confirmed townies and possibility of saves and cop is quite possibly the dumbest thing to do. I would most likely be bussing 100% of the time if my mafia partner posted one post and disappeared.
Pandain has done the most mafia things in the game and has motivation to perk up at deadline if his mafia partner is being lynched compared to being complacent beforehand. He even said he was fine lynching slam if he didn't know who to lynch but then he wanted to kill you because of information instead of the guy he said he was ok killing or convincing people to lynch the guy he was originally voting (who by the way he said would be a good vig shot during d1 but not even convincingly scum read)
Then he tried to convince his big mafia read grack to vote his town read rayn for more information over a guy he was fine killing.
If he tried to convince me to kill you and you are town what info is he gaining other than the confirmed town killed rayn?
I am not sold on trfel being town. The post about not knowing who to vote seemed honest which I liked but it always seems to be a struggle for him to post a read like he has to fabricate it. I don't know, just a gut feeling. Don't write him off just because he voted afk slam. I'll need to have a reread but don't expect much I'll be in handover meetings all day.
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On June 26 2019 18:11 Pandain wrote:
Hf you are truly remarkable at finding a narrative and thus ignoring absolutely all possible counter explanations or evidences.
It's not particularly a narrative. I've found things in your filter that contradict what you are saying you thought and I'm just not acknowledging the inferior version that doesn't quite make sense that you're talking about after the fact.
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On June 26 2019 18:41 Jockmcplop wrote:
Hf can we talk about trfel please?
Him being town is pretty important if I'm going to go along with a shapelog vote tomorrow.
I can't see any way that trfel isn't town. He had the choice of 3 wagons, if trfel is mafia then at least one of those 3 is town and he can safely vote for them. He hadn't town read either KSC or shapelog at any point during day 1 so wouldn't have been contradicting himself. Both ksc and shapelog were being scumread by alot of players so no-one would raise any eyebrows at trfel voting for either of them.
I know you said its a just a gut feeling right now but can you see that the logic of the situation pretty much means he has to be town?
Nothing logical works in mafia, ever. That's a lesson you'll have to learn. I agree it's quite unlikely but I can't shake the gut feeling.
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I'll read him later it's just an initial gut read meant to keep your minds open rather than saying he's actually mafia.
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On June 26 2019 23:40 Grackaroni wrote:
Rayn and Pandain are both likely town and likely to be pushed by HF tomorrow so HF will probably survive the night.
All according to plan.
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I don't get how some of you think only one of shapelog or kelsier is mafia but that nobody on the mafia team decided to stop those wagons at ANY point.
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The only one who gave any kind of shit about lynching someone off those wagons at deadline was pandain and ONLY when mafia came up for lynch.
This mafia he quite explicitly said he was fine lynching if he didn't know who else to kill. His scum reads being grack and a vig shot on kelsier, neither of which were happening he should have been fine lynching slam like he originally said he was.
Then he tried to appeal to his scum read grack and appeal to me because i was on rayn to try and push the wagon onto his town read for information but then he wasn't thinking about the information that we'd gain soooooo.
Then he lied about his pushing kelsier near deadline and got called out by me.
Dude is just mafia that posts things you all want to hear to get off the hook.
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On June 27 2019 01:50 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2019 01:02 Holyflare wrote:
I don't get how some of you think only one of shapelog or kelsier is mafia but that nobody on the mafia team decided to stop those wagons at ANY point. Yeah, but this is why Rayn is a better lynch tomorrow.
Why?
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On June 27 2019 03:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Actually i dont even get what you're saying holyflare? Everyone tried to stop the other wagon. Everyone who voted for Kelsier tried to "stop" Shapelog wagon and vice versa...
If you think everyone appeared at deadline and put any kind of effort to divert the lynch from mafia when mafia became up for lynch then I think we're reading different games.
If people try and get people they want lynched, that's completely different. You campaign for a lynch and be done with it, which nobody in this game did effectively because the votes were 2/2/2 which is a perfect cesspool of mafia heaven to be in. Nobody was doing anything or pushing anyone. So, either mafia are entirely all afk (which isn't the leading theory) or mafia did absolutely nothing to divert the wagons away from kelsier/shape/rayn. If mafia is active I don't really think any of those afk guys are likely to be mafia at all, more likely to all be town. If mafia contains one inactive and one active then they did nothing to push the lynch elsewhere.
The only one that cared to divert a wagon at deadline is Pandain who complained about votes being complacent at 2/2/2 and did nothing to push anyone anywhere and only voted Kelsier because he couldn't get grack lynched really. He only become not complacent with 2/2/2 when mafia came up for lynch (the mafia he said would be a good kill if nobody knew who to lynch, which is what 2/2/2 looks like to me).
You can form a different opinion, that's perfectly fine but if I'm alive I'll be lynching Pandain.
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Probably dead, heed my words. GG.
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Imagine being mafia grack and holding your shot so you can fake claim veteran. Bad play.
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On June 27 2019 04:42 Holyflare wrote:
Imagine being mafia grack and holding your shot so you can fake claim veteran. Bad play.
This is the world I'm living in.
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I don't think you got shot, I just think mafia didn't submit anything lol.
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veteran innocent child + I presume parity vs what?
godfather/rolecop
godfather/rber
rber/rolecop?
one mafia role vs 3 blues?????
Either this setup is based around a parity cop that has to dodge a godfather AND wandering millers, which in that case we ignore all cop checks or mafia have just a rolecop/godfather and no way of ever dealing with kp reduction veteran???
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orrrrrrrrr they're just all afk and did absolutely nothing
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I don't think ff leaves out roleblocker again after the last game where he realised he should have put one in vs veteran.
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So there's no rber even though ff knows to put one in?
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Mass claiming might be a thing we should do today. I'll think about it.
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Thought he did but can't find it so guess he didn't. I don't agree with the choice since it just guarantees another night with absolutely no recourse. They have, what, a rolecop and a gf then so that they can see a veteran and do nothing about it? I really don't think so.
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This no night kill didn't effect any mislynches mafia need by the way so could all just be a devious ploy and claiming was dumb.
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