On June 24 2019 23:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You're going to make a lot of mistakes if you pick stuff you think are wrong or you dont understand and call them mafia. Or youre mafia.

I know you're talking to Shapelog but the main reason I personally voted for KelsierSC is that he disappeared mid conversation without answering questions and didn't come back.

Jockmcplop

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June 24 2019 14:22 GMT

#215

On June 24 2019 23:03 Shapelog wrote:

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I really don't like this post from trfel at all. Everything in the bold is just wrong.

Eversince did respond to me about my post (see French pirate post), and also responded afterwards when I asked her on opinions on people in the game at that time. Eversince also was still active after that time and spoke to a new poster (saying hey to Pandain). Then right afterwards when Eversince responds he admits that the "sample size was extremely small", but does not formally drop the read at that point. He fires another bullet at eversince then later about the town lean on me before he back away from Eversince.

I find it odd how technical and misconstruing he was towards Eversince. I dont get how you someone can read the thread at that time and genuinely post the quoted post above from trfel.

Thoughts?

I don't like the wording of the post.
The content... it seems like he's making a stretch but its not something I would put beyond a townie trying to get some traction out of a boring day 1.

Jockmcplop

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June 24 2019 14:24 GMT

#217

On June 24 2019 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
not the "he will have reads" sentence but the other one.

I don't really understand what you mean. What exactly do you agree with Kels about?

Jockmcplop

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June 24 2019 14:30 GMT

#221

On June 24 2019 23:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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I agree with him that your post about grack after holyflare looked like what he said originally said. Well i wouldn't say you tried to "bury" him but it sure looked like a scumread and that you're just hopping on board with HF. Not so much when you continued talking about it with him, but first for sure.

OK yeah. I can kind of see where you're coming from, and I can understand why someone would think that.
The issue I have with Kels is that I explained it, in a way that makes more sense than the scumread angle, and then he doubled down and when asked to explain why he had doubled down on it he disappeared.

I don't think its insane that he would make the connection to begin with, but the way he followed it up was just poor. Whether that makes him mafia... I guess he needs to come and tell us why it doesn't.

Jockmcplop

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June 24 2019 15:11 GMT

#232

It was half humour and half to remind myself to check that you do actually make some useful posts later on.

Jockmcplop

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June 24 2019 16:07 GMT

#244

I may have to downgrade my ES townread to null. Nothing useful so far, not really pushing for answers to questions or making any reads just posting alot.
Its still early though but for some reason I had ES as town and looking again I think that might just be the friendliness getting to me.

Jockmcplop

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June 24 2019 17:09 GMT

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Kelsier I didn't say I was just joking.
I said I wanted to remind everyone, including myself, that he promised to post more later.

That's very different, and is a much more natural explanation than either i was joking or i was scumreading him in a pile on.

Jockmcplop

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June 24 2019 17:14 GMT

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On June 25 2019 02:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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Actually if you are mafia it's not. If you are mafia it's definitely possible you are throwing more fuel onto the fire without sticking your neck out.

OK, so just to indulge this for a short time more, please go through the following post and see if you can point out:

a) Where I am throwing fuel on a fire
b) Where I suggest that grack is scum, town, or anything else or give any kind of read.
c) Where I am being opportunistic.

On June 24 2019 16:18 Jockmcplop wrote:

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Yeah but just you wait.
He's going to have SO MUCH CONTENT by the end of the day....

Because to me, it looks pretty obvious that what I'm doing here is saying 'Hey everyone, remember when grack said he would have a filter full of content by the end of the day?"

I mean really, really obvious.

Jockmcplop

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June 24 2019 17:24 GMT

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I don't think I was being unclear though rayn. Maybe I was, but I clearly said the words 'by the end of the day' in that post, which makes my intention obvious if you think about it, because the implication of that is that if he hasn't posted alot by the end of the day then he was lying, but before the end of the day it tells us nothing.

In some circumstances, its impossible to be clear, because people will ignore what you post and attribute motivations to you that aren't there regardless of the content of the post.

Jockmcplop

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June 24 2019 17:27 GMT

#272

OK either way lets drop this and move on.

Jockmcplop

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June 24 2019 17:32 GMT

#274

On June 25 2019 02:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I agree. You can think Kelsier is mafia, but i happen to know my alignment and i can relate to what he thinks as i said. I know a townie can have that sort of first impression.

Can you look at the stuff on Shapelog? If you don't agree with it, do you want to go with Kelsier or do something else?

I've unvoted.
I'll look at shapelog next (probably after the football match).

Jockmcplop

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June 24 2019 17:45 GMT

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Rayn just to be sure what I'm looking at, you're saying that shapelog has shown the ability to discern when a post definitely isn't mafia motivated and didn't apply that here for whatever reason?

I don't think its a slam dunk but its definitely an interesting case. I can see a situation where someone doesn't apply a way of thinking that they are capable of, without having mafia motivations.

That said, I don't really like shapelog's posting in general. Sort of pressured ES a little bit then dropped it, made that post about trfel and then went back on it later while still leaving room to go back to the suspicion if needed.

Jockmcplop

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June 24 2019 17:53 GMT

#278

On June 25 2019 02:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not saying he here should be "able to discern when a post definitely isn't mafia motivated", but he isn't even thinking about that as an option.

I think I'd like to see more from shapelog, yeah. Definitely suspicious. If everything stayed the same between now and deadline I would vote.

Jockmcplop

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June 24 2019 22:46 GMT

#286

Yo hf you gonna try and convince us to lynch rayn or are you just leaving that hanging there for a bit?

Jockmcplop

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June 24 2019 22:49 GMT

#288

On June 25 2019 07:47 Grackaroni wrote:

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sToP BeInG So PrICkly.

(Whispers)

*Its because you cursed*

*that's why he's holyflare*

Jockmcplop

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June 25 2019 06:21 GMT

#306

On June 25 2019 10:09 Trfel wrote:
Jockmcplop, why were you reading my filter, of all people's (post #196)? Just before (post #191), you kinda said that I was your strongest townread. I'm just not sure I follow.

Kinda feels like he's keeping his reads open, lots of soft pushes. Like his soft suspicion on Shapelog (not gonna vote him now but I could vote for him later), and his read on me (Trfel) (post 198). Admittedly the latter is one of my habits, but along with the lack of townreads, it just feels like he is really, really keeping his options open.

I was reading your filter because this is mafia dude. That's kind of a thing you can do to look at someone's posting. Why yours specifically? I have looked at most people's filter at some point so far.
Honestly I don't really have strong reads at all right now. I suck at day 1. Always have. In a way, I guess I am keeping my options open. Literally anyone except myself and hf could be mafia right now, and no-one's done a particularly great job of confirming themselves as town.

Jockmcplop

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June 25 2019 06:27 GMT

#307

I am starting to think that grack's a good lynch though.

His reads so far have followed thread sentiment exactly to the letter and the fact that you could easily interpret his last interaction with hf as trying to discredit the innocent child - which has clear mafia motivation.

##vote grackaroni