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On May 22 2019 04:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 04:05 Holyflare wrote:
This game is very confusing. I feel like every time I accuse somebody of something it's like trying to ram a jigsaw piece that doesn't quite fit. That usually means one of the people that are town read by lots of people is playing well. There are a few outliers though. I think Artanis just posts really agreeable things and decides to leave each time so he doesn't draw attention to himself. I think iGrok basically just sheeped consensus and couldn't be fucked to expand on his read on me.
Wait what? I'm posting just agreeable things? That's garbage. I was the first on WBG's case, first on BC, and have had unpopular opinions pretty much the entire game. The first time I'm joining thread sentiment is on Calix, which I disagreed on with people scumreading her on her first post already. As for 'convenient timings', it's whatever work allows me, and limited by 2 hours a day which I've already mentioned. @Calix Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 02:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
There's a bunch of things I dislike about Calix and then some I like.
Dislike: Saying Koshi is lying about his read on her but not calling him out, sudden focus on Rayn again after being on Conversion for a while for seemingly no reason when she stated that she doesn't think Koshi/Rayn can be scum together and clearly indicated a strong suspicion of Koshi. The tinfoil she had on Rayn/VE was bad too, and I didn't like how unfocused she was for large parts of the game.
But then she started honing down on Rayn recently. She got the wagon started and I'm not sure if that's a play she would make as mafia. Rayn is notoriously hard to lynch and a significant number of people seemed on board with Conversion. It'd only make sense if she's scum with Conversion to me. It feels like she really believes in that lynch.
The biggest question I have is what changed, Calix? Why are you suddenly so gung-ho on Rayn again after switching your focus halfway through the day? Can you reply to the last bit?
To answer this and your other question [the one about 'what made me town-read rayn?'], here's what I remember about how it went. After pressuring rayn...I actually don't recall town-reading him at all. Pretty sure I just forgot about him because he disappeared for a while.
Then when I was attacking Koshi, rayn appeared. I was reminded of how scummy rayn was because all his posts were, in my opinion, pushing mafia agenda. And if you need more elaboration then read my filter because I've repeated myself a lot at this point.
ANYWAY but then I was like "don't think these two are on a team together" and concluded rayn was scummier than Koshi, therefore Koshi...had...to be town?
So yeah.
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On May 22 2019 04:23 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 04:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 22 2019 04:20 Holyflare wrote:On May 22 2019 04:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
And HF, explain your read progression on me. You disliked me, read my filter, gave a begrudging townread and now you're scumreading me for something that is wholly false. Eh, yeah, you're pretty correct actually I don't know. I think it's because you're just not around that you kind of fall by the wayside and I'm like "oh, I haven't scum read that guy in a while and nobody else fits, let's call him mafia." Fuck you why does this make me think you're town  Dont read his post and just spam he is mafia. Better tactic.
Yeah! That's what Koshi's doing with me and he's getting the lynch he wants. Can't say he's wrong here.
Too bad the same can't be said for his reads.
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On May 22 2019 04:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 04:20 Calix wrote:On May 22 2019 04:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 22 2019 04:05 Holyflare wrote:
This game is very confusing. I feel like every time I accuse somebody of something it's like trying to ram a jigsaw piece that doesn't quite fit. That usually means one of the people that are town read by lots of people is playing well. There are a few outliers though. I think Artanis just posts really agreeable things and decides to leave each time so he doesn't draw attention to himself. I think iGrok basically just sheeped consensus and couldn't be fucked to expand on his read on me.
Wait what? I'm posting just agreeable things? That's garbage. I was the first on WBG's case, first on BC, and have had unpopular opinions pretty much the entire game. The first time I'm joining thread sentiment is on Calix, which I disagreed on with people scumreading her on her first post already. As for 'convenient timings', it's whatever work allows me, and limited by 2 hours a day which I've already mentioned. @Calix On May 22 2019 02:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
There's a bunch of things I dislike about Calix and then some I like.
Dislike: Saying Koshi is lying about his read on her but not calling him out, sudden focus on Rayn again after being on Conversion for a while for seemingly no reason when she stated that she doesn't think Koshi/Rayn can be scum together and clearly indicated a strong suspicion of Koshi. The tinfoil she had on Rayn/VE was bad too, and I didn't like how unfocused she was for large parts of the game.
But then she started honing down on Rayn recently. She got the wagon started and I'm not sure if that's a play she would make as mafia. Rayn is notoriously hard to lynch and a significant number of people seemed on board with Conversion. It'd only make sense if she's scum with Conversion to me. It feels like she really believes in that lynch.
The biggest question I have is what changed, Calix? Why are you suddenly so gung-ho on Rayn again after switching your focus halfway through the day? Can you reply to the last bit? To answer this and your other question [the one about 'what made me town-read rayn?'], here's what I remember about how it went. After pressuring rayn...I actually don't recall town-reading him at all. Pretty sure I just forgot about him because he disappeared for a while. Then when I was attacking Koshi, rayn appeared. I was reminded of how scummy rayn was because all his posts were, in my opinion, pushing mafia agenda. And if you need more elaboration then read my filter because I've repeated myself a lot at this point. ANYWAY but then I was like "don't think these two are on a team together" and concluded rayn was scummier than Koshi, therefore Koshi...had...to be town? So yeah. Have you played with Rayn before?
Yes and I still think he is mafia and if you come at me with "but he's always stubborn" or whatever it is that people are using to give rayn a pass then I swear to God. I am so sick of people using 'but meta' as a read instead of as a supplement to the read.
#semirant
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On May 22 2019 04:30 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 04:27 Calix wrote:On May 22 2019 04:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 22 2019 04:20 Calix wrote:On May 22 2019 04:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 22 2019 04:05 Holyflare wrote:
This game is very confusing. I feel like every time I accuse somebody of something it's like trying to ram a jigsaw piece that doesn't quite fit. That usually means one of the people that are town read by lots of people is playing well. There are a few outliers though. I think Artanis just posts really agreeable things and decides to leave each time so he doesn't draw attention to himself. I think iGrok basically just sheeped consensus and couldn't be fucked to expand on his read on me.
Wait what? I'm posting just agreeable things? That's garbage. I was the first on WBG's case, first on BC, and have had unpopular opinions pretty much the entire game. The first time I'm joining thread sentiment is on Calix, which I disagreed on with people scumreading her on her first post already. As for 'convenient timings', it's whatever work allows me, and limited by 2 hours a day which I've already mentioned. @Calix On May 22 2019 02:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
There's a bunch of things I dislike about Calix and then some I like.
Dislike: Saying Koshi is lying about his read on her but not calling him out, sudden focus on Rayn again after being on Conversion for a while for seemingly no reason when she stated that she doesn't think Koshi/Rayn can be scum together and clearly indicated a strong suspicion of Koshi. The tinfoil she had on Rayn/VE was bad too, and I didn't like how unfocused she was for large parts of the game.
But then she started honing down on Rayn recently. She got the wagon started and I'm not sure if that's a play she would make as mafia. Rayn is notoriously hard to lynch and a significant number of people seemed on board with Conversion. It'd only make sense if she's scum with Conversion to me. It feels like she really believes in that lynch.
The biggest question I have is what changed, Calix? Why are you suddenly so gung-ho on Rayn again after switching your focus halfway through the day? Can you reply to the last bit? To answer this and your other question [the one about 'what made me town-read rayn?'], here's what I remember about how it went. After pressuring rayn...I actually don't recall town-reading him at all. Pretty sure I just forgot about him because he disappeared for a while. Then when I was attacking Koshi, rayn appeared. I was reminded of how scummy rayn was because all his posts were, in my opinion, pushing mafia agenda. And if you need more elaboration then read my filter because I've repeated myself a lot at this point. ANYWAY but then I was like "don't think these two are on a team together" and concluded rayn was scummier than Koshi, therefore Koshi...had...to be town? So yeah. Have you played with Rayn before? Yes and I still think he is mafia and if you come at me with "but he's always stubborn" or whatever it is that people are using to give rayn a pass then I swear to God. I am so sick of people using 'but meta' as a read instead of as a supplement to the read. #semirant I mean, but you keep saying he's "pushing mafia agenda" which you wouldn't know what the mafia agenda is unless you're on the mafia team. We all use buzzwords, let's not kid ourselves.
He's doing things that GENERALLY benefit mafia more than town and he's doing them a lot but it's easier to just say 'pushing mafia agenda' because I'm not privy to the scum chat and can't know for sure, yadda yadda. Is that better, ya pedant?
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On May 22 2019 04:30 iGrok wrote:Lunch break. Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 04:11 Koshi wrote:
Igrok thinks bc, Calix and hf are mafia. Looks good. I dont have a strong read on BC, I just think he's done some things that I don't like. I'm slightly biased towards liking him for a couple reasons. A) His posts are typically well formatted summaries, and I'm a sucker for those. B) As he said about me, we recognize each other's names so there is some subconcious level of bias towards each other. As in, all things considered, if I had two players exactly equally likely, I'd rather keep the player I'm more familiar with because it should be easier to read them later.HF, Calix, Rux, Arty, BC, loosely in that order. HF wants me to cite every action of his that I refer to and I'm simply not going to do that. The thread is too long and too dense. He's flipped aggro a bunch of times as I referred to previously, and almost always it was towards someone who was starting to get momentum towards them.
God, what is with you/ BC and making waffle reads on each other? It's really hard to not pre-flip associate when you two come out with shit like this.
And of course your top lynch target is a guy who has no votes or sentiment against him while the second target is the leading wagon! You're not subtle, fam.
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On May 22 2019 04:39 iGrok wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 04:37 Calix wrote:On May 22 2019 04:30 iGrok wrote:Lunch break. On May 22 2019 04:11 Koshi wrote:
Igrok thinks bc, Calix and hf are mafia. Looks good. I dont have a strong read on BC, I just think he's done some things that I don't like. I'm slightly biased towards liking him for a couple reasons. A) His posts are typically well formatted summaries, and I'm a sucker for those. B) As he said about me, we recognize each other's names so there is some subconcious level of bias towards each other. As in, all things considered, if I had two players exactly equally likely, I'd rather keep the player I'm more familiar with because it should be easier to read them later.HF, Calix, Rux, Arty, BC, loosely in that order. HF wants me to cite every action of his that I refer to and I'm simply not going to do that. The thread is too long and too dense. He's flipped aggro a bunch of times as I referred to previously, and almost always it was towards someone who was starting to get momentum towards them. God, what is with you/ BC and making waffle reads on each other? It's really hard to not pre-flip associate when you two come out with shit like this. And of course your top lynch target is a guy who has no votes or sentiment against him while the second target is the leading wagon! You're not subtle, fam. Uhh... I can't speak for BC but my "waffle" read on BC is because I don't have strong town or strong scum points for him. Please quote a single post of mine in which I have made a strong case either for or against him.
No no, I get he's a null read. But instead of just fucking saying he's null, you write a whole paragraph that doesn't need to exist. That's what I have a problem with.
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On May 22 2019 04:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
Chances are he's rb/killed before we even have to think about it. That's at least part of why rayn is off the table today for me.
My problem is that regardless of alignment, it's very likely he'll be alive tomorrow and will say "was roleblocked innit" and then people will waste discussion time on pondering whether rayn is lying or not. Which there is NO way of proving based on his claim alone.
AKA his claim introduces a bunch of unnecessary WIFOM that could have EASILY been avoided if he just kept his gob shut.
His claim is actually a GREAT reason to lynch him cos then we avoid all the dumb WIFOM distractions re: his role.
[this assumes mafia have a RBer but they probably do, it's a pretty common mafia role to have]
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On May 22 2019 04:44 iGrok wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 04:42 Calix wrote:On May 22 2019 04:39 iGrok wrote:On May 22 2019 04:37 Calix wrote:On May 22 2019 04:30 iGrok wrote:Lunch break. On May 22 2019 04:11 Koshi wrote:
Igrok thinks bc, Calix and hf are mafia. Looks good. I dont have a strong read on BC, I just think he's done some things that I don't like. I'm slightly biased towards liking him for a couple reasons. A) His posts are typically well formatted summaries, and I'm a sucker for those. B) As he said about me, we recognize each other's names so there is some subconcious level of bias towards each other. As in, all things considered, if I had two players exactly equally likely, I'd rather keep the player I'm more familiar with because it should be easier to read them later.HF, Calix, Rux, Arty, BC, loosely in that order. HF wants me to cite every action of his that I refer to and I'm simply not going to do that. The thread is too long and too dense. He's flipped aggro a bunch of times as I referred to previously, and almost always it was towards someone who was starting to get momentum towards them. God, what is with you/ BC and making waffle reads on each other? It's really hard to not pre-flip associate when you two come out with shit like this. And of course your top lynch target is a guy who has no votes or sentiment against him while the second target is the leading wagon! You're not subtle, fam. Uhh... I can't speak for BC but my "waffle" read on BC is because I don't have strong town or strong scum points for him. Please quote a single post of mine in which I have made a strong case either for or against him. No no, I get he's a null read. But instead of just fucking saying he's null, you write a whole paragraph that doesn't need to exist. That's what I have a problem with. Koshi, who I think is very Town, believed that I thought BC was mafia, when in fact I did not. I explained my reasoning for the null read to him, because I want him to understand my train of thought.
You still could've said 'nah m8 he's actually null'. But I'll concede that a town you COULD have wanted to explain further so fine.
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I can get behind #1791 tbh
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On May 22 2019 05:20 Holyflare wrote:
3 days is too bad for mafia team
Mafiascum have like, 2-week days and mafia somehow win on there a fair bit 
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On May 22 2019 05:27 disformation wrote:honestly i just wish he could remember why he noted down the good ruxxar post as needing review... Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 16:58 iGrok wrote:
alright guys its 1am and I have to be up at 5am for another all-day class. I'll be back before the vote, catch up, give my thoughts, and vote. next day cycle won't be like this, class finishes friday.
And I guess I shouldn't really say class, its a programming seminar thats 12 hours/day.
Go catch some scum for me lol. Most of my reads are there.
Some hidden thought counts for future use:
BC:1
WBG:2
HF:2
VE:4
Rux:1
Actually, I'll go ahead and open the rux thought up. Someone should review post #682. I honestly dont even remember what it was and I'm about to pass out, but I made a note to review it.
That was the one you thought was townie, right? And this post was when iGrok was scum-reading ruxxar/ wanted him lynched IIRC.
So yeah, agree that this needs a follow-up.
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On May 22 2019 05:26 Koshi wrote:
Even if he waffled on bc.
I still think the associations between BC and iGrok are a thing. BC made an early read on iGrok which looked pretty bad.
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On May 22 2019 05:31 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 05:30 Calix wrote:On May 22 2019 05:26 Koshi wrote:
Even if he waffled on bc. I still think the associations between BC and iGrok are a thing. BC made an early read on iGrok which looked pretty bad. mhhh... wbg, grok, bc game solved? cause koshi had this just now: Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 05:18 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2019 16:09 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 21 2019 16:07 Koshi wrote:
Calix felt way worse. Wayyyyy worse. fuck off, are you scum with ruxxar? Like this is just not based on anything at all, they made almost identical posts and then ruxxar voted Calix. Therefore BC is scum because he called them both scummy?? Gtfo this is a garbage take if real No keep reading till this. Wbg mafia hero.
>thinking WBG is mafia
I'd eat my hat if he's scum.
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On May 22 2019 06:29 iGrok wrote:
I'm actually getting invested in this game now. I should really be focusing on this seminar but like... I'm getting pulled back in.
I still think Calix is the best d1 lynch.
Exactly as predicted. You rabble on about HF but put me second place so you'd conveniently have that to fall back on at the end of the day.
It's a real shame I don't have two votes right now.
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On May 22 2019 06:37 disformation wrote:wait. Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 02:25 iGrok wrote:
Oh, I left out you also started to go after calix when the momentum was starting on her, but then ruxxar called you mafia and you switched focus Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 04:30 iGrok wrote:Lunch break. On May 22 2019 04:11 Koshi wrote:
Igrok thinks bc, Calix and hf are mafia. Looks good. I dont have a strong read on BC, I just think he's done some things that I don't like. I'm slightly biased towards liking him for a couple reasons. A) His posts are typically well formatted summaries, and I'm a sucker for those. B) As he said about me, we recognize each other's names so there is some subconcious level of bias towards each other. As in, all things considered, if I had two players exactly equally likely, I'd rather keep the player I'm more familiar with because it should be easier to read them later. HF, Calix, Rux, Arty, BC, loosely in that order. HF wants me to cite every action of his that I refer to and I'm simply not going to do that. The thread is too long and too dense. He's flipped aggro a bunch of times as I referred to previously, and almost always it was towards someone who was starting to get momentum towards them. Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 06:29 iGrok wrote:
I'm actually getting invested in this game now. I should really be focusing on this seminar but like... I'm getting pulled back in.
I still think Calix is the best d1 lynch. so hf is a mean scummer going against ppl when momentum builds against them, such as calix, which makes calix the obvious lynch?
Oh shit :o
Meanwhile I went into BC's filter to check his whole 'I came up with the disfo/ ruxxar reads first' thing and sure, it's true he says 'ruxxar/ disfo are scum' early on but he doesn't actually explain WHY until a lot later. For example, he first included disfo as scum in #338 but gives no obvious indications as to why disfo is scum until #1248.
Personally I don't think it counts if you just say 'X is mafia' without actually saying why cos nobody's gonna find that convincing.
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On May 22 2019 06:41 iGrok wrote:
Because I don't think I can get HF lynched.
But you had to have known that to begin with.
Additionally, we were in the thread at the same time yet you never bothered to ask me anything or make accusations, etc, even though I'm supposedly one of your top scum-reads???
Hell, I even asked you shit and you never took the opportunity to do this, you just responded meekly to whatever query or accusations I made!
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On May 22 2019 06:48 iGrok wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2019 06:44 Calix wrote:On May 22 2019 06:41 iGrok wrote:
Because I don't think I can get HF lynched. But you had to have known that to begin with. Additionally, we were in the thread at the same time yet you never bothered to ask me anything or make accusations, etc, even though I'm supposedly one of your top scum-reads??? Hell, I even asked you shit and you never took the opportunity to do this, you just responded meekly to whatever query or accusations I made! I haven't engaged with anyone really, because up until now, whenever I've checked back in there's been over 20 pages to read over and process, so I just got my thoughts out in the open, briefly interacted, and slept/went to seminar.
No no no, you were definitely engaging with me because you responded to a bunch of things I said about you. But you never thought to do anything with your scum read who was accusing you of stuff. And you were accusing HF the person with no votes just fine in the meantime.
Not gonna buy the 'I have a life' excuse with all that in mind, doll.
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On May 22 2019 06:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
Calix join me and lynch iGrok. It's certainly better than a five way 2 vote split.
##vote iGrok
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On May 22 2019 06:52 Holyflare wrote:
It's like pulling teeth to lynch a guy that hasn't even posted anything with evidence to back up :D why
lol I think WBG, disformation and myself have also had problems getting our scum-reads lynched this game. Not sure why that's happening.
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On May 22 2019 06:56 iGrok wrote:
Don't call me doll, sugar.
In your last couple posts, your characterization of me has been both "you never bothered to ask me anything or make accusations, etc" to "you were definitely engaging with me". If all my questions have been asked by other people, and you've answered, why would I ask them to you again?
@VE, right now I've got a couple green points on you and one pink (not really scummy but contradicts something I thought about you). I mean if you want me to die then I guess... vote for me? You still think Koshi is Obv-town, right?
Alright, honey.
By engaging I meant 'you were responding to my posts' not that you were trying to figure out my alignment or anything.
I'm pretty convinced you're scum. But I am willing to be reasonable and give you a chance to redeem yourself.
Instead of me saying the same things about how you're mafia and distracting you, you can SHOW us why we should lynch BC/ someone else that isn't you.
I'm so generous, I know.
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