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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 22 2019 02:16 GMT
#2037
C AND H AND R = FALSE just means that one of them must be false.

1 & 0 = 0
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 22 2019 03:28 GMT
#2044
fuck you bugs, you know I was right
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 22 2019 04:31 GMT
#2049
On May 22 2019 13:18 wherebugsgo wrote:
I thought iGrok looked okay but the 1 scum 3 person thing just completely ignored the possibility that all three might be town and iGrok doesn't see any independent reasons for calling Calix/HF town??? like what

Yeah, I'm going to ignore the possibility that my two scummiest reads and the current lynch-leader are all three townies, because no one thought that.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 22 2019 05:45 GMT
#2053
Koshi, any chance its bugs & hf?
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 22 2019 11:52 GMT
#2186
On May 22 2019 20:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 20:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On May 22 2019 19:54 disformation wrote:
bleh. -.-

On May 22 2019 19:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 22 2019 19:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Calix and VE liking the BC case and then never actually moving their vote when they didn't seem convinced by the leading wagons makes my boner to lynch all of them that much harder.


Ah you’re here for only two hours right? So this is my only chance

Two things I’d like you to explain:

1. If BC and VE are scum why was BC willing to help me push VE? And why would VE say that BC was buddying me/not actually believing in the case on VE himself if they’re both scum?

2. Why would either Calix or VE vote BC at EOD when igrok reached the lead? They seemed far more into killing iGrok than BC

3. Where is disformation?

i am here. though tired and at work.
On May 22 2019 19:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Confirmed town:
Jockmcplop

Town:
Holyflare
Conversion
Koshi

Townish:
Raynpelikoneet

Null:
iGrok
wherebugsgo

Scummish:
Calix
VisceraEyes

Lynch with fire:
The Cobbler

AMA.

bc: totes scum
calix, ve: totes scum for saying they like the case but refusing to vote
disfo: only guy to vote totes scum and only other guy to at least try to get ppl to vote bc: *insert tumbleweed gif*

not sure if that makes you scum, but I feel kinda insulted -.-

Sorry buddy <3 wanting to lynch the Cobbler with me earns you townpoints, but I literally don't remember a single other thing you've really done this game. It kinda feels like you're being a cheerleader. Can you point me to some of your original thoughts this game?

I can. He pointed out ruxxar post on bc that was really good.

No, that was me.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 22 2019 23:35 GMT
#2425
Personally I don't feel like Koshi is toxic, but the spam is absolutely insane. And he's not the only one guilty of it (bugs, VE).
Seriously, I remember when LotR Mafia felt like such a huuuuge game. We're 3/4 of the way to its total postcount, including postgame, and that game lasted to Night 7 and had twice as many players.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 23 2019 03:02 GMT
#2428
Good job
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 23 2019 14:07 GMT
#2625
Just woke up, haven't read anything since the daypost. I'm stuck in seminar all day today, so I'll check back in with you all later. Days are 72 hours long, gonna use that fact
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 24 2019 01:46 GMT
#2971
Honestly, I'm impressed with the effort that went into that. Good job.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 24 2019 01:52 GMT
#2973
On May 24 2019 10:49 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2019 10:46 iGrok wrote:
Honestly, I'm impressed with the effort that went into that. Good job.


Any time you want to share your opinions with the class I'm sure we'll be listening intently!

I just got back from dinner, always check the most recent page before going back to review
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 24 2019 03:09 GMT
#2986
On May 24 2019 11:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
I mean I got to kill the goddamn batman in my second game ever by coming back to life after being lynched and eating his face.

I never looked back bro.

Wait, was that Resurrection?
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 24 2019 03:58 GMT
#2989
On May 24 2019 12:35 wherebugsgo wrote:
I’m reading it now on the train

Show nested quote +
On September 09 2011 11:58 wherebugsgo wrote:
On September 09 2011 11:55 Jackal58 wrote:
Bum if you ever shoot me again I'm going to shove your head up your ass.
My god that was fucking stupid.

Fuck you Bugs.


LOL


Lolololololol

Ahahaha holy shit that was a great game
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 24 2019 06:27 GMT
#2992
Ok, so first, rebutting HF's nonsense.

##vote HF

So he starts with my fake vote on rayne. I am literally not allowed to discuss that, sorry.

HF will continue, throughout his entire takedown piece, bring up my initial rux/diso statement, even when I change my read after reading more.
-I'm pretty sure HF doesn't understand the concept of -not tunnelling-, or (as I really think) he's scum. Or both

Then he posts my "read" of Calix. The thing about my "reads" is that unlike most people, I'm not making a case. I give my thoughts. a lot is lost when I copy/paste. I'll include a picture of the map, with colors etc
+ Show Spoiler [blue doesn't mean blue, mafia.…] +
[image loading]


Next, HF quotes the same post twice, somehow thinking he's trapped me by making me work after I said I was time limited. This is just... bad.

HF is very upset that I called him dumbtown. Honestly, I shouldn't have called Calix potentially dumbtown. I was a little frustrated that I hadn't caught that, if I had more time to focus then maybe I wouldn't have been frustrated.

HF also apparently doesn't understand what its like to not just tunnel someone. I hope that one day, I can be like as HF and have 100% confidence that I am always right the first time, every time.

Finally, concludes with accusing me of being mafia because I'm not in the thread. The "Where's his head at?" made me laugh. For all his filter diving of me, he still can't tell that I'M AT A FUCKING 12 HOUR/DAY INTENSIVE SEMINAR FOR WORK. As I've said. Multiple times. And no one else seems to have an issue figuring that out.

Also, yeah the best vets were basically day 2 monsters. The meta now seems to be to Tunnel someone until they crack, and spam the shit out of the thread, but back then that was the rare exception (Palmar for example). I'm nowhere near as good as foolishness, radfield, Ace, Dr.H etc - but I think a lot of people then wanted to emulate their playstyle. I haven't played in a while, and my plan for any game where I don't know a lot of the players is to be as open as I can, and just convince them I'm town. I believe day 1 is mostly just about stirring shit up, read generation as I said before. Unfortunately I'm not allowed to talk about what my plan was day 1, and I literally can't say more than that.

But yeah, none of this was for HF, this is for everyone else. Now, I've got 1 more day of seminar, and then a red-eye flight home. I'll still be reading, and commenting occasionally, but please don't fuck this up. Also, Conversion if I see you in LA, remember, no talking about the ongoing game
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 24 2019 14:37 GMT
#3263
On May 24 2019 21:24 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2019 21:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
good chat. ends here.


You'll see that quote again later. It's scummy for the same reason iGrok's response to HF is scummy. He doesn't think HF is mafia and you don't think I'm mafia either.

Catching up in the morning, just want to clarify that I do VERY MUCH think HF is mafia, and its weird to me that people think I don't.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 24 2019 14:45 GMT
#3267
On May 24 2019 23:25 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2019 23:19 Jockmcplop wrote:
Calix make me believe that Koshi is mafia.
Please


Lemme put it this way. He lacks any real conviction in his reads.


This is like.... The one thing Koshi has done. Consistently called you and HF scum.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 24 2019 17:22 GMT
#3430
On May 25 2019 02:15 disformation wrote:
ended up tripple checking the image hf posted.
might actually have an answer that could make sense, but im not gonna post it before igrok responds.

I'm back in for lunch, writing up some stuff now. What am I supposed to respond to? I can fold that in to my writeup
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 24 2019 17:35 GMT
#3436
On May 25 2019 02:28 disformation wrote:
image explanation/variation of b):
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2019 22:00 Holyflare wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Timeline


This one's easy, but you won't like the answer. Based on #246, I thought VE picked up on why I fake-voted for rayn, which I did for reasons that I'm not allowed to talk about. VE had 4 hidden hidden points (and still does, after D1 I don't think I need hidden thoughts). Two of those are green.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 24 2019 17:51 GMT
#3450
Popping in a bit for lunch. I'm just not going to acknowledge HF because frankly its exhausting. 21 pages on D2? Really?

I'll see if I can post my full list. Its weirdly formatted in that I'd have to reformat everything if I wanted to post it in TL with indents and colors. Maybe I can stitch a picture.

My "confirmed town" reads right now are (sorry guys, this basically dooms you lol), Koshi, Conv, and disinfo. Pretty sure Rayn is town as well, and calix I find scummy but logically dont think is mafia.

People are going to pull out one of my first statements, which was the "I'm not finished reading but initial gut feeling is rux/disinfo scummy", but like... I haven't thought disinfo was possibly mafia since he pointed out my logical inconsistency with HF/calix. There's just no way that mafia does that. I get that disinfo still thinks I'm mafia but idgaf, he's confirmed town.
+ Show Spoiler +
There is one possible exception to this which is that disinfo and HF are scum together, but that really doesn't seem likely, so i'm not considering it until I get more evidence.


I think Conv is confirmed town because #806 and tone reasons. He doesn't post a ton but when he does its typically meaningful. Sounds exactly like a townie who started strong but is getting overwhelmed with the sheer amount of spam in the game, which I can completely empathize with.

Koshi is confirmed town to me because his reads match mine, and it seemed like he was reading me pretty well. He was on my case early, and up until #560 he basically had no meaningful posts. He's never been afraid to call out BS when he sees it, like #2962, pointed out that there was a bunch of doubt being generated about my posting habits. The dude just completely mirrors my thoughts about most reads. I guess now he's leaning me as possible scum, but that doesn't change my read of him.

Rayn I'm pretty sure is town because he made what is, in my memory, the most town rayn play: shit up the thread D1 early to generate activity to generate reads, find someone he thinks is mafia, call everyone else dumb for not getting it, and stops playing until he gets another mafia read.



The rest:

BC is a complete null to me. Don't have a single idea where he is.
Bugs I'm leaning town on.
HF is obviously mafia.
VE I'm not sure. Lots of points, haven't contextualized them well yet.
Jock is also null, same deal. Some town some scum, especially the domino lynch proposal is just never a good idea.
Artanis is leaning scum, but I haven't paid much attention to him D2.
Calix's early game felt real bad, but I'm convinced on HF and also don't think Calix and HF can both be scum.




I'll see about stitching my read list into a big image. Honestly if anyone expects me to spam instead of posting fewer, longer posts, you've never played with me.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 24 2019 17:53 GMT
#3451
Oh, and while ordinarily I wouldn't say "you're defending me so you're clearly not mafia" is good logic, I'm such an easy lynch that it doesn't make sense to defend me if you are. You dont even have to attack me, just let me die. Koshi's not doing that.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 24 2019 18:05 GMT
#3466
On May 25 2019 02:58 Koshi wrote:
Anyway. igrok obv town.

But baddies wont listen to me and rayn so w.e


This is really funny, don't you think?

On May 24 2019 01:11 Holyflare wrote:
No, they're good points to pick up on but unfortunately don't mean anything. It would probably be quite beneficial if you read some of my games where I'm mafia maybe? Although that will also be a time when I had more free time you can get a sense of my style. I normally imo just pick up on a point and hammer at it until I get a mislynch whereas town I kinda do that but actually have an ongoing poe with really shit feels and reasoning entwined in it. I also get swayed off things really easily.

Unlike this igrok guy who yet again posted an afk excuse.

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