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On May 21 2019 11:30 ruXxar wrote:
Bugs sounding like a broken record and repeating yourself ad nauseam doesnt make the genie pop out of bottle and make your wish of me being mafia come true.
It does however make me think youre just a dumb town tunneling. Unless youre scum buddy with calix trying to deflect his lynch(which i find unlikely after your call out post), youre just stuck in the typical town ego trap of mafia read confirmation bias. Your ego wont allow you to back down from this lynch now that youve put so much into it.
I see no point why you as mafia would keep pushing me at this point.
Thats fine, i get it, ive been there. Ill just ignore you from now on as youre very clearly too deep in the hole to think rationally any longer.
I do want to bring attention to the huge momentum swing we’ve had in activity from certain players.
The beginning of the game was a big shitshow dominated by the presence of rayn and hf. Both of which have gone either completely silent(rayn) or currently do not give a shit(hf)
Rayn really outed himself in a dumb way that i dont think mafia would do. He took a what i would consider big gamble by goung full retard. He was on the chopping block for a while but made it out alive. Hes very likely town at this point.
Hf on the other hand, is currently playing a masterful scum game. Hes controlling his thread presence well, but has basically taken no hard scum stances on anyone. Hes wobbling and flaky in his reads and he refuses to take a stance on the main wagons by either defending or pushing them (calix and me).
Lately he seems very content with where the thread is heading and is very indifferent to the outcome of this lynch, despite claiming that i was not scum earlier and refusing to make up a fresh opinion.
I see no real motivation behind his actions besides his content in letting this lynch play out.
HF reeks of scum and is almost certain to flip mafia at this point, summing up the development of his thread interaction, lack of real motivation and indifference to the current situation.
Tldr:
Bugs is dumbo town.
Rayn is town.
HF is mafia.
##vote holyflare
I think this is a mafia post.
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I honestly don't get the disfo hate? Not particularly read his filter but he seems fine? Looks like he has his own take on people that is different and fresh whenever I skim and he seems to have a good grasp of the thread events.
Also calix imo has looked better. These people look like they're trying to solve the game and having a hard time with it.
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Also to answer your points ruxxar, I had all the weekend free and then I work. Night and day difference in activity and caring.
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There's so many people that I fringe read as town I'm essentially forced to hedge until I get a better read through of which is unlikely to happen.
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Fringe read town but could be scum;
Disfo
Calix
Koshi
Rayn
Null read could be scum:
Conversion
Ruxxar (although last post maybe changes my mind a bit to say scummy)
VE (deal with it)
Scummy:
Igrok (literally just summary post with no conclusions yet)
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Man I forgot about artanis he can go into null to scummy. I actually think he has a good chance of being mafia.
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On May 21 2019 16:23 Holyflare wrote:
Man I forgot about artanis he can go into null to scummy. I actually think he has a good chance of being mafia.
Actually read his filter and it's not that bad. He can go fringe town. Can't remember what his mafia range is but I wouldn't say what he's posted would be out of it. Quite bc centric.
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On May 21 2019 16:33 iGrok wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 16:23 Holyflare wrote:
Scummy:
Igrok (literally just summary post with no conclusions yet) Duh. I literally just caught up on the thread in the last 15 minutes, but have been commenting a bit on my thoughts as I read through. How I'm the only one in your scum list, and not in the null pile, makes no sense.
Because I already had a reason to scum read you and posting the summaries hasn't changed that? If you do good with the work then there's always room to change? Dunno what to tell you buddy.
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If Koshi is mafia he's with someone active that he doesn't want to disappoint.
I think it's more likely he's probably town though.
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On May 21 2019 17:31 Koshi wrote:
HF has a high chance to be mafia. Really has.
BC maybe not. Maybe he is a chill guy that trusts wbg to do the leg work.
Why is that?
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I've got nothing to hide. More because I have nothing than anything else.
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Personally, I think ruxxar was perfectly correct to call me mafia. I had a high burst of activity and then have completely waffled and disappeared as people get more active.
What I don't like is that it was opportunistic. He'd town read me before afaik, arbitrarily decided that between rayn and I that I somehow became mafia and then wrote the narrative on me.
He dropped all his other reads for that too. Essentially I'm the lynch bait currently and he took it. Who else is he supposed to push to look good other than a high profile sitting duck that people can't disagree with his read on?
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On May 21 2019 17:39 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 17:37 Holyflare wrote:
Personally, I think ruxxar was perfectly correct to call me mafia. I had a high burst of activity and then have completely waffled and disappeared as people get more active.
What I don't like is that it was opportunistic. He'd town read me before afaik, arbitrarily decided that between rayn and I that I somehow became mafia and then wrote the narrative on me.
He dropped all his other reads for that too. Essentially I'm the lynch bait currently and he took it. Who else is he supposed to push to look good other than a high profile sitting duck that people can't disagree with his read on? He kept calling Calix mafia in his post though. Just added you. But I agree nothing much more was going on. In a world Ruxxar is allowed to make 1 post every 24 hours it was a high impact post though.
But we're not in that world which is the bad thing. He just drops posts and runs away. What was he planning on achieving with it?
In a world where he's mafia he has to see a lot of thread sentiment against him. He realises he needs to make a bold move and makes a case on me.
I feel like as town he'd be a lot more motivated to figure me out and question why I've just disappeared/become demotivated? It just seems like he's thrown in the bit about hf vs rayn as an excuse to pick alignments for both of us. What about rayn vs hf made me look any different? I was just picking up on inconsistencies and it became a minor shit show. Does he use that info to formulate his read on me? Nah.
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On May 21 2019 17:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 17:31 Koshi wrote:
HF has a high chance to be mafia. Really has.
BC maybe not. Maybe he is a chill guy that trusts wbg to do the leg work. Mby. He made a shit case he didnt believe on and let other people listen to that and did nothing about it.
Are you actually mafia? How can you be so clueless that you still believe this to be the case?
I made a fake case on you, told everyone it was a fake case and made conclusions on everyone based off of it and even updated my scum read based on your reaction (or lack thereof) to it (+no scum hunting). Subsequently voted igrok off of it.
If you really think I did nothing about it you are actually just mafia.
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On May 21 2019 17:43 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 17:37 Holyflare wrote:
Personally, I think ruxxar was perfectly correct to call me mafia. I had a high burst of activity and then have completely waffled and disappeared as people get more active.
What I don't like is that it was opportunistic. He'd town read me before afaik, arbitrarily decided that between rayn and I that I somehow became mafia and then wrote the narrative on me.
He dropped all his other reads for that too. Essentially I'm the lynch bait currently and he took it. Who else is he supposed to push to look good other than a high profile sitting duck that people can't disagree with his read on? Why are you not responding to me I find this analysis weird though, why on earth do you think you’re the lynch bait here? If anything it’s Calix or disformation. I agree that it’s a scum vote but I think it’s more a vote in line with “if I vote HF here no one will believe I’d have the balls to do that as scum” because you weren’t on any radars and weren’t likely to be lynched given the vote spread He has consistently just disappeared after every short burst of activity and his “progressions” are just odd. As you pointed out he just completely dropped the Calix/conversion business; what happened to one of them being scum? He also had a set up into calling BC scum but dropped that too. No idea why he mentions rayn in his post on you either, just seems like a forced mention especially because rayn was nearly completely absent for 24 hours.
Sorry what was I supposed to respond to?
I am the perfect lynch bait. I could make a case on myself for being mafia. High activity poking on rayn to blow up into low activity keeping options open when everyone becomes active?
I'm the mafia dream to push. Nobody can really argue with that. Push back on calix/conversion etc is all because they have blurred lines, nothing to sway one way or the other.
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On May 21 2019 17:51 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 17:50 Holyflare wrote:On May 21 2019 17:43 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 21 2019 17:37 Holyflare wrote:
Personally, I think ruxxar was perfectly correct to call me mafia. I had a high burst of activity and then have completely waffled and disappeared as people get more active.
What I don't like is that it was opportunistic. He'd town read me before afaik, arbitrarily decided that between rayn and I that I somehow became mafia and then wrote the narrative on me.
He dropped all his other reads for that too. Essentially I'm the lynch bait currently and he took it. Who else is he supposed to push to look good other than a high profile sitting duck that people can't disagree with his read on? Why are you not responding to me I find this analysis weird though, why on earth do you think you’re the lynch bait here? If anything it’s Calix or disformation. I agree that it’s a scum vote but I think it’s more a vote in line with “if I vote HF here no one will believe I’d have the balls to do that as scum” because you weren’t on any radars and weren’t likely to be lynched given the vote spread He has consistently just disappeared after every short burst of activity and his “progressions” are just odd. As you pointed out he just completely dropped the Calix/conversion business; what happened to one of them being scum? He also had a set up into calling BC scum but dropped that too. No idea why he mentions rayn in his post on you either, just seems like a forced mention especially because rayn was nearly completely absent for 24 hours. Sorry what was I supposed to respond to? I am the perfect lynch bait. I could make a case on myself for being mafia. High activity poking on rayn to blow up into low activity keeping options open when everyone becomes active? I'm the mafia dream to push. Nobody can really argue with that. Push back on calix/conversion etc is all because they have blurred lines, nothing to sway one way or the other. Should there be a difference to me when I'm reading between lynch bait and scum?
Yes. You have to put yourself into that person's shoes and see why they've done what they've done. Fake case on rayn because thread was incredibly dead +++ everyone activity. Making conclusions on those people that responded to it and evaluating at every step of the way. Updating reads and being unsure when I have less time to read. That's not really mafia.
If you can't determine between lynch bait and scum then you need to interact with them and get their thoughts and then evaluate. That's the step ruxxar is missing. He's jumped to too many conclusions and assumptions and it's a very surface level case.
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On May 21 2019 17:52 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 17:50 Holyflare wrote:On May 21 2019 17:43 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 21 2019 17:37 Holyflare wrote:
Personally, I think ruxxar was perfectly correct to call me mafia. I had a high burst of activity and then have completely waffled and disappeared as people get more active.
What I don't like is that it was opportunistic. He'd town read me before afaik, arbitrarily decided that between rayn and I that I somehow became mafia and then wrote the narrative on me.
He dropped all his other reads for that too. Essentially I'm the lynch bait currently and he took it. Who else is he supposed to push to look good other than a high profile sitting duck that people can't disagree with his read on? Why are you not responding to me I find this analysis weird though, why on earth do you think you’re the lynch bait here? If anything it’s Calix or disformation. I agree that it’s a scum vote but I think it’s more a vote in line with “if I vote HF here no one will believe I’d have the balls to do that as scum” because you weren’t on any radars and weren’t likely to be lynched given the vote spread He has consistently just disappeared after every short burst of activity and his “progressions” are just odd. As you pointed out he just completely dropped the Calix/conversion business; what happened to one of them being scum? He also had a set up into calling BC scum but dropped that too. No idea why he mentions rayn in his post on you either, just seems like a forced mention especially because rayn was nearly completely absent for 24 hours. Sorry what was I supposed to respond to? I am the perfect lynch bait. I could make a case on myself for being mafia. High activity poking on rayn to blow up into low activity keeping options open when everyone becomes active? I'm the mafia dream to push. Nobody can really argue with that. Push back on calix/conversion etc is all because they have blurred lines, nothing to sway one way or the other. Are you going to help kill ruxxar?? I honestly don’t think iGrok is scum here. Scum basically has to be in: Ruxxar VE rayn Koshi Almost everyone else has a few or loads of town points in favour
I will interact and evaluate as best I can. Soon.
I don't really agree with Koshi and dunno how you have him there after last game? Pretty different. Think this is a bit of a mediocre list.
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On May 21 2019 17:57 wherebugsgo wrote:
Damn I need to ignore Koshi LOL so hard
calix vote ruxxar. Your point on the wagons does not apply to ruxxar, and it’s wrong in some key ways, notably that rayn has been trying to proxy push disformation (through Koshi) for a while now
Also scum would care about keeping the votes spread, which is exactly why ruxxar’s vote is a scum vote and why VE not helping me consolidate on disfo/ruxxar earlier is a huge red flag
Why are you not calling me mafia for this then?
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I'm not confident in my ruxxar read but it was a mafia post. Especially since the only thing he's said since is quoting my reply. So I'll give him a read in some downtime.
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On May 21 2019 18:46 Holyflare wrote:
I'm not confident in my ruxxar read but it was a mafia post. Especially since the only thing he's said since is quoting my reply. So I'll give him a read in some downtime.
I've read him. His posts aren't scummy but I have the following questions:
Why did you point out that rayn and ruxxar had read calix as scummy and then criticised bc for doing the same and then never really mentioned bc ever again? Looks like you were calling bc scum but never did.
On May 21 2019 06:02 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2019 03:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 20 2019 23:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 20 2019 23:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I get it, they're two different things, HF's claim last game and the way rayn phrased his intro this game, and they're like apples to oranges or whatever, but it seems like BC is referring to more the mindset behind it all, like someone who fakeclaims the way HF did last game wouldn't/shouldn't be all up in rayns ass the way he is for what he is - not necessarily drawing a direct parallel between the two occurrences, but more commenting on the mindset that drives them both. I disagree that it necessarily means that HF should die, but I can kinda see where he's coming from. From what I recall BC's mafia game tends to be more stand-offish and abrasive than his town game, and it feels like he's doing just that. Are you not bothered by him driving the Calix point home for following thread sentiment in a wordy manner whilst literally following thread sentiment? Wait wait wait? Let me get this straight. In a thread where basically only 2 people (one of which I was the first to really scum read) being rayn and ruxxar all saw Calix as scum. Where at a time, Rayn was getting shit on from the entire thread. I was pushing thread sentiment? I was stopping a shit show of cluttering of the thread as best I could. Ruxxar? Thread sentiment? Literally the first to bring him up. Disinformation? same basic thing. So basically fuck you artanis. I tried to keep people off you so you could come back and at least do something. I give next to 0 fucks you chose to filter dive me cause well its at least productive but for you to completely read the thread wrong means you skim read, didnt read, or chose to fabricate shit. ESPECIALLY when you filter dive me. Sorry, if you outright say you are reading my filter, I expect you to read the thread at the time of my postings, otherwise you are legit making shit up. So you wanted me to read you? You can join the mafia side of my list.
Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 04:47 ruXxar wrote:
sup guys, long time no see. skimmed through the thread, dont remember all the specifics.
i dont wanna lynch the active people, cause they make the game fun.
- jockmcplop is top town, he speaks from his heart.
- hf looks townie, i love when he gets riled up.
- VE seems aight, could be deviously smart mafia.
- rayn attacking jockmcplop is dumb, and his fumbling to explain his first post was meh, dont make him mafia tho.
- bugs looks aigh tish.
- i dont like calix. seem stiff and too sure of himself. looks like hes posting with perferct information.
already certain of his opinons, and just tries to find the best angle to defend them.
##Vote calix Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:I am not sure i will bother to play a game with this amount of retarded people. Yes, it's fucking retarded when you are clearly being cased regardless of whatever Holyflare says afterwards and people won't accept your completely reasonable and easily truth-checkable explanation. I also find it completely unreasonable that people continue with their bullshit on me based on "rayn ahs no opinions" after i gave my opinion on everyone who had posted so far in the game. When everyone else's only real read was a stupidass shitread on me based on fucking nothing. So keep your stupid little circle jerk and dont talk to me please. Unless you're VE or Artanis. Bugs can go to Acrofales pile if he is town and sadly i am not even sure he is not. Acrofales pile is a pile where people who i thought very high of earlier but turns out they are not good town players after all go.Everything he posts is just so fucking wrong and he is even trying to coach me or some shit. I could't care less what the dude writes, because it's jsut straight out BS out of his keyboard, seems like the pattern from last game continues. + Show Spoiler +On May 11 2019 06:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
likewise, 13/10 would ignore both rayn and HF again rayn voted: D1 - mafia bugs voted: D1 - town D2 - town D3 - town D4 - town i laughed at that comment for liek 10 minutes. for real. gonna vote for mafia again. ##vote Calix When you have these two posts in the thread then making the following post on calix is not exactly a bold original idea. It could be construed as trying to get a second wagon started without risking yourself. Do notice that both me and rayn voted for calix. But bloody despite calling her post «screaming fucking mafia» did not join voting. Perhaps waiting to see if thread sentiment would build further onto calix first. Show nested quote +On May 20 2019 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:honestly thought this was going to start you know, not when it did. As I am just finishing the catch up so far. Anyone who liked the fact HF started the vote train and swing onto rayn based off the Town Vanilla post should be shooting HF with a gun. Why? Because HF claims / fake claims shit every fucking game and gets pissed if you lynch him off it. If someones whos moto is to be a troll with claims decides to start any form of suspicion on someone for any style of claim he deserves to be doused in fire and die. Now. If you voted for Rayn for anything after his claim and before Calix appeared in the thread, you are in the clear for now. Calix imo screams fucking mafia. His first post, Which I will quote here just to bring it back to the forefront On May 19 2019 22:38 Calix wrote:
Hi.
HF/ Jock said a lot of what I was going to say so I don't have much new to add. They're currently my top town-reads because of that and I'm happy to sheep them.
I like WBG's #220, that looks like a post a townie would make when they're trying to be reasonable and not just jump down their suspect's throat.
Personally, I don't like how rayn has been acting during his latest interaction with Jock. Jock's been on the offensive and looking really townie while rayn's responses have been lacking.
(I don't care about the role stuff. It has nothing to do with my vote)
##vote raynpelikoneet this post is extremely fucking scummy. His entire post screams thread sentiment while offering nothing new, gives a shitty reason to drop a vote. He "red" reads rayn for being lacking while his entire post is lacking anything but "certainty" then spends the rest of his time basically doing nothing aside from "keep voting rayn" while offering nothing new before vanishing.
On May 21 2019 06:16 ruXxar wrote:
Why the hell are you getting so defensive over a single post by artanis bloody. If you were town i would expect you to shrug at the accusation, but here you write a 200 word essay trying refute the point.
On May 21 2019 06:17 ruXxar wrote:
And in the process trying to throw as much shade as posdible on artanis
Also, what has rayn done in your eyes that was a gamble that made him obviously town?
Also, why is calix no longer your vote? What posts specifically changed your mind?
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