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Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
May 21 2019 12:54 GMT
#1352
Okay but why do you care so much about what Koshi thinks? I don't get it.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
May 21 2019 12:58 GMT
#1365
On May 21 2019 21:58 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2019 21:56 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2019 21:53 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 21 2019 21:49 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2019 21:45 Jockmcplop wrote:
Only joking.

Why isn't everyone else also voting for rayn.

Top notch high quality lynch right there. Obviously has zero town motivation for any single one of his posts.


You're the bugs of the rayn lynch trying to ram it down our throats and I don't think I like this version.+ Show Spoiler [stuff that I'm thinking in my he…] +
I think you might have a good chance at being mafia in fact because of this. You seem to put weight into people being mafia way too much on little nuances that shouldn't carry that much weight and you have seemingly inconsistent thought processes on say lynching someone to get a view of someone else.


I find it weird how you ask everyone for help on reading calix but feel this passionate about rayn.


do you remember Jock's response to me last game about what he thought scumhunting meant? Probably not...here's a refresher:

On May 01 2019 01:38 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 01 2019 01:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 01 2019 01:27 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 01 2019 01:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Suddenly even happier with my decision.


Yeah vote me first. Why not? I already have a low enough of opinion of tl.net.

First game - mafia - failed to spot it
Second game - town - dead first night
Third game... you get the picture.

I guess I'm a wildcard since I have no meta for you guys to rely on. If you just vote for me you're justified cos I'm new and it saves having to look for scum.

I'm not mafia by the way.


not helping yourself much here mate. Before I go down that path of lowering expectations/opinions about things, why don't you talk to me about who you actually think we should kill instead of you?

If we can't get that far, brushing aside the newness factor, do you understand BC's stated reason for voting you?

What's your strategy for finding scum?


Yeah he wants to get people talking. I can't think of anything to say in particular though.

My strategy for finding scum at the moment is to see who's acting suspiciously, but there isn't much here to go on to be honest.


On May 01 2019 11:23 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 01 2019 10:35 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 01 2019 10:29 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 01 2019 08:54 Holyflare wrote:
Oh well nothing more to add really. I think jock is way out of character and the town read(s) are pretty unjustified here.


Out of character compared to when I was mafia?


You gonna ignore my previous post?

You should answer this, and don't even think about skipping any of the questions:

Can you define what makes people suspicious? What types of things are suspicious and why would they be indicators someone is mafia instead of town?

Have you read Incognito's guide? What do you think your #1 priority should be if you are a townie?


Regardless of your alignment, at your current rate, you should know you're going to be dead.

In addition to that, let's see your reads.


I have read incognito's guide. At the moment I'm looking for typical mafia stuff, apologetic posting, if anyone has an agenda or is making alot of posts without contributing, inconsistent weird logic. That stuff is suspicious.

#1 priority as town for me is finding scum.

don't even think about skipping any of the questions:


LOL


On May 01 2019 12:07 Jockmcplop wrote:
BC seems town
He's wrong about me but he's genuinely hunting I think.

FF could be scum. Just turned up to claim town and hasn't said anything at all.

VE is the most blatant town to me so far. His posts are sensible and he's actually contributing.

MZ reads town

Can't read HF

Bugs is interesting. Lots of questions no answers. Probably the most scummy out of everyone, just from the number of questions he's asked people that are irrelevant or pointless.


I don't really have any strong scum reads at the moment.


Seems to me like this isn't really a good indicator for Jock, but could just be me.


I don't find this consistent tbh maybe. He seems to be valuing other people's reads (eg Koshi) to use as an excuse to be unsure of someone he has voted with at every instance.

He just feels a bit off to me.


on the bright side if we kill Jock and he flips town we could just kill rayn immediately afterward right?

I'd actually love to see what would happen in that case


Or skip the probable mislynch and kill rayn first???
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
May 21 2019 13:16 GMT
#1383
Oh boy, here's Koshi.

Bet he'll say that rayn is now top town or some shit given how QUALITY his reads have been.

Still can't believe he might be town.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
May 21 2019 13:20 GMT
#1389
On May 21 2019 22:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm taking the other route Koshi. I'm just going to contribute so that they feel like fucking SHIT when they lynch me.


So, uh...who do you want to lynch exactly?

Far as I can remember, all you've done recently is explain why you town-read me even though you're also voting me. And get annoyed that people want to lynch you.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
May 21 2019 13:25 GMT
#1399
On May 21 2019 22:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2019 22:20 Calix wrote:
On May 21 2019 22:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm taking the other route Koshi. I'm just going to contribute so that they feel like fucking SHIT when they lynch me.


So, uh...who do you want to lynch exactly?

Far as I can remember, all you've done recently is explain why you town-read me even though you're also voting me. And get annoyed that people want to lynch you.

Oh I'm not answering questions like that. I'm filtering and giving thoughts, if you have questions on those feel free to ask, but I'm not giving definitive answers at this point.


I asked because you said you wanted disformation and Conversion lynched yet don't seem to be doing anything to get those lynches or convince people or whatever.

But then I read more of your filter and saw you said you were gonna sheep.

So never mind.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
May 21 2019 13:27 GMT
#1405
On May 21 2019 22:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
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On May 21 2019 22:24 Koshi wrote:
Fucking calix calls me mafia, gives me no out in jer reasonings, and is still just unvoting me and saying there is 1 mafia in Koshi/rayn and looking for a third person to vote on.


WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU FUCKZRS READING????

HOW IS THAT ACCEPTABLE??????

No man she settled on me as the third I think. Her and Jock both.


Eh? I don't have you as third mafia.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
May 21 2019 13:33 GMT
#1411
On May 21 2019 22:31 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2019 22:28 Koshi wrote:
##unvote

I dont know anymore guis. Who could be mafia?

dunno, open your pm, click the link to the scum qt and check?

jk.
you are kinda hard to follow atm.
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2019 22:26 Koshi wrote:
Guis I think Calix is mafia.
Guis I think Ruxxar is mafia.
Guis I think there is 1 mafia in Calix/Ruxxar
Guis should we not all vote on rayn?

is this a follow up on:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2019 22:20 Koshi wrote:
On May 21 2019 19:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
This thread is such a clusterfuck.

Lets all sit back for like, 5 minutes. Remove all our current views for the moment on Calix and Ruxxar.

I say this as these 2 have eaten up the majority of the last well, 30+ hours?

Who does everyone else think is mafia. Of those people who has been say mentioned many times but like, any number of people but its either ignored, buried, or forgotten?

This is for people like VE and Bugs. Stop fighting each other for 5 minutes and how about we find some form of consensus.

and before you yell and scream at me bugs. Yes I think Ruxxar could still flip mafia, but it means jack shit currently if neither of us can convince anyone else to see what we have. So if only 2 maybe 3 people see what we see, just for a moment concede for the purposes of other options that we could be wrong.

Let's not focus on 2 people that are mafia and look for mafia.

Yes I joined the fucking dark side on Ruxxar but I will not lynch him before Calix EVVVVEEERRR

?


He's taking the piss because I went from "koshi is mafia" to "actually rayn is mafia. But those two are probably not mafia together and since rayn is scummier, Koshi is probably town"

But I think he's beyond reasoning with at this point, lol.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
May 21 2019 13:36 GMT
#1414
On May 21 2019 22:35 disformation wrote:
yeah not sure if he was "pretending" to be you or bugs.
since he was like "Guis I think Calix is mafia." I was thinking bugs.


Anyway do you think rayn is mafia or not? Pretty sure you did not answer my question the first time ^^
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
May 21 2019 18:05 GMT
#1709
Why do you people keep hopping between lynches while always avoiding the obvious scum in front of you?

First Jock, then me, and now possibly iGrok?

Come on.

Then again, I have 4 votes. Meaning that even if the ENTIRE mafia team is on my arse, at least one townie looked at the ""case"" against me and the CONVINCING 'lynch Calix' posts put forth by rayn/ Koshi/ VE and concluded "yes, this is a great D1 vote".

But I'm more annoyed with the people dicking around and letting this happen.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
May 21 2019 18:07 GMT
#1712
On May 22 2019 03:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yeah yeah mafia people rayn/ve/koshi are killing you, find a new song?


I didn't call all of you mafia. Learn to read.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
May 21 2019 18:13 GMT
#1715
On May 22 2019 03:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 03:05 Calix wrote:
Why do you people keep hopping between lynches while always avoiding the obvious scum in front of you?


Re: the bolded, who is the obvious mafia we're ignoring? BC? iGrok? I get frustration at being wagoned but we're ALL in here talking about the best lynch, rather than complain maybe join in?


Last time I was here, I was trying to lynch rayn.

And got a grand total of one vote while everyone else dragged their feet.

Don't know what else I'm supposed to do.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
May 21 2019 18:18 GMT
#1718
On May 22 2019 03:16 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 03:11 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2019 03:05 Calix wrote:
Why do you people keep hopping between lynches while always avoiding the obvious scum in front of you?

First Jock, then me, and now possibly iGrok?

Come on.

Then again, I have 4 votes. Meaning that even if the ENTIRE mafia team is on my arse, at least one townie looked at the ""case"" against me and the CONVINCING 'lynch Calix' posts put forth by rayn/ Koshi/ VE and concluded "yes, this is a great D1 vote".

But I'm more annoyed with the people dicking around and letting this happen.


Don't mind lynching you for this post ;D


Igrok was on your mafia list and now he's opportunistically made a 'case" on you and you've totally ignored it and berated the town for possibly looking into him?


I want rayn dead more and cannot understand why nobody will just kill him already.

I don't care about anyone else.

Like the reason I even suggested rayn as a lynch was because [at the time I made the 'lynch rayn' post] nobody else was doing anything and a bunch of my town-reads thought rayn was suspect too.

But when I actually say 'hey maybe we should lynch rayn' nobody does anything and SUDDENLY people want to lynch Jock or me instead.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
May 21 2019 18:25 GMT
#1725
On May 22 2019 03:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 03:13 Calix wrote:
On May 22 2019 03:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 22 2019 03:05 Calix wrote:
Why do you people keep hopping between lynches while always avoiding the obvious scum in front of you?


Re: the bolded, who is the obvious mafia we're ignoring? BC? iGrok? I get frustration at being wagoned but we're ALL in here talking about the best lynch, rather than complain maybe join in?


Last time I was here, I was trying to lynch rayn.

And got a grand total of one vote while everyone else dragged their feet.

Don't know what else I'm supposed to do.

I mean, the thing is the active people have a scumread on rayn. So maybe widen your serach parameters? You clearly have a problem with Jock/iGrok....not sure WHY you have a problem with iGrok since you have stated suspicion yourself or whatever but you complained about it....so besides rayn who most everyone active NOW has a townread on, who else would you kill? Disfo? Artanis?

Like....as the leading wagon you can take two roads: freak out and look bad, cementing votes on you or contribute and POSSIBLY MAYBE convince someone. Regardless of your alignment, it should be a no-brainer.

For the record, I'm aware of the irony of myself posting this considering my track record this game, but I think you'll find with a quick meta dive that I REEEEEEALY dislike votes on me regardless of my alignment, and I tend to not practice what I preach.


You really don't know what my reads are. First you thought I scum read you and now you think I scum read Jock? I town read both of you, lol.

I think there is mafia in BC/ iGrok. With iGrok, I think it's suspicious that his reads 'change' but they're always convenient. Like at his first catch-up, he 'wanted to lynch disformation/ ruxxar' who were people who were being banded around as mafia suspects. Now he has some 'other scum reads' with the HF thing but he still includes me as an option. It's thread sentiment but he's not stating that's what he's doing.

BC is more of a tone thing. I find the way he talks scummy [lacks economy] and kinda preachy. Not 100% on this one because I haven't checked his reads or anything. But that's the vibe I get when I see him post.

And yeah I know I'm 'supposed' to consider iGrok as a lynch because he's a scum read, blah blah blah, but I am so convinced on rayn and not anyone else so I don't really want to.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
May 21 2019 18:28 GMT
#1726
On May 22 2019 03:20 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 03:18 Calix wrote:
On May 22 2019 03:16 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2019 03:11 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2019 03:05 Calix wrote:
Why do you people keep hopping between lynches while always avoiding the obvious scum in front of you?

First Jock, then me, and now possibly iGrok?

Come on.

Then again, I have 4 votes. Meaning that even if the ENTIRE mafia team is on my arse, at least one townie looked at the ""case"" against me and the CONVINCING 'lynch Calix' posts put forth by rayn/ Koshi/ VE and concluded "yes, this is a great D1 vote".

But I'm more annoyed with the people dicking around and letting this happen.


Don't mind lynching you for this post ;D


Igrok was on your mafia list and now he's opportunistically made a 'case" on you and you've totally ignored it and berated the town for possibly looking into him?


I want rayn dead more and cannot understand why nobody will just kill him already.

I don't care about anyone else.

Like the reason I even suggested rayn as a lynch was because [at the time I made the 'lynch rayn' post] nobody else was doing anything and a bunch of my town-reads thought rayn was suspect too.

But when I actually say 'hey maybe we should lynch rayn' nobody does anything and SUDDENLY people want to lynch Jock or me instead.


Do you think the reasons for wanting to lynch jock were bad? Do you disagree with my case that he was caught out in an inconsistency?


I don't disagree it was inconsistent.

I just don't think it's a mafia inconsistency. Or a bad enough inconsistency to make me reconsider my town read.

I'll admit I've spent a lot of the game thinking "this guy is obvious town, who gives a damn if he has one or two weird posts if they're not really mafia motivated?" though so I am biased towards dismissing stuff against him.

[I feel the same way about WBG. To me he is also obvious town]
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
May 21 2019 18:44 GMT
#1728
On May 22 2019 03:40 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 03:28 Calix wrote:
On May 22 2019 03:20 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2019 03:18 Calix wrote:
On May 22 2019 03:16 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2019 03:11 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2019 03:05 Calix wrote:
Why do you people keep hopping between lynches while always avoiding the obvious scum in front of you?

First Jock, then me, and now possibly iGrok?

Come on.

Then again, I have 4 votes. Meaning that even if the ENTIRE mafia team is on my arse, at least one townie looked at the ""case"" against me and the CONVINCING 'lynch Calix' posts put forth by rayn/ Koshi/ VE and concluded "yes, this is a great D1 vote".

But I'm more annoyed with the people dicking around and letting this happen.


Don't mind lynching you for this post ;D


Igrok was on your mafia list and now he's opportunistically made a 'case" on you and you've totally ignored it and berated the town for possibly looking into him?


I want rayn dead more and cannot understand why nobody will just kill him already.

I don't care about anyone else.

Like the reason I even suggested rayn as a lynch was because [at the time I made the 'lynch rayn' post] nobody else was doing anything and a bunch of my town-reads thought rayn was suspect too.

But when I actually say 'hey maybe we should lynch rayn' nobody does anything and SUDDENLY people want to lynch Jock or me instead.


Do you think the reasons for wanting to lynch jock were bad? Do you disagree with my case that he was caught out in an inconsistency?


I don't disagree it was inconsistent.

I just don't think it's a mafia inconsistency. Or a bad enough inconsistency to make me reconsider my town read.

I'll admit I've spent a lot of the game thinking "this guy is obvious town, who gives a damn if he has one or two weird posts if they're not really mafia motivated?" though so I am biased towards dismissing stuff against him.

[I feel the same way about WBG. To me he is also obvious town]


Do you think it's not scummy because of the emotional stuff afterwards or did you think it was not scummy before?

Also, if it was inconsistent, you can imagine that some people DID find it scummy right?

So, Rayn found it scummy and it WAS an inconsistency so his case WASN'T actually that bad and he thinks it's a slam dunk and solely wanted to vote Jock and was afk for a very long time. That's the crux of rayn's play this game. Is that scummy?


I am not considering the 'emotional stuff' so the latter.

I don't think rayn is scummy purely because he made a case on Jock. Nor do I think rayn being AFK for a while makes him scummy. But I think he made the Jock case with a level of confidence which doesn't match up to how strong the case actually is. That is indicative of a mafia faking. And when he returned from his AFKing, he made a LOT of posts that blatantly pushed mafia agenda [dredging up old points, being inflammatory, discussing irrelevant stuff].
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
May 21 2019 18:53 GMT
#1729
Anyway I also think ruxxar/ disformation/ Conversion are all town.

But I think the spammers/ more dominant players will gang up on them at some point. Every time the spammers post, it feels dirty to me. Didn't get the same mafia-influenced vibes when I was just posting with ruxxar, disfo, Conversion, WBG.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
May 21 2019 18:58 GMT
#1732
On May 22 2019 03:57 Holyflare wrote:
Yes, this is a real waffle but I get a good feeling from Calix's posts every time she feels convicted about stuff that just seems honest (apart from the re-entry).


Dunno what you mean by this exactly, please elaborate.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
May 21 2019 19:01 GMT
#1735
If you're so bloody worried about getting a consensus then fine, I'll consider voting for iGrok.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
May 21 2019 19:05 GMT
#1739
On May 22 2019 04:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
It might be important just to keep you alive ya know? Just sayin.


Yeah I don't want to switch.

But I'd be throwing if I didn't at least consider it.

Still holding out that some of the one-vote trains and non-voters will see the light though, lol.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
May 21 2019 19:09 GMT
#1741
On May 22 2019 04:07 Holyflare wrote:
Can you just drop rayn for like 2 god damn seconds and talk about your feelings on iGrok? He's posted accusations at you and you haven't really acknowledged his existence despite being your mafia read.

Quote some of his posts, tell us why he's wrong.


I did here:

With iGrok, I think it's suspicious that his reads 'change' but they're always convenient. Like at his first catch-up, he 'wanted to lynch disformation/ ruxxar' who were people who were being banded around as mafia suspects. Now he has some 'other scum reads' with the HF thing but he still includes me as an option. It's thread sentiment but he's not stating that's what he's doing.
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