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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On May 21 2019 00:37 Holyflare wrote: God you guys do a lot of pointless arguing. Give me a case to look at. Just out of curiosity, could you link me to a case you liked that you didn't write? Not necessarily from this game obv. | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
On May 21 2019 00:37 Holyflare wrote: God you guys do a lot of pointless arguing. Give me a case to look at. not sure if we have proper cases to quote at you. wbg on ruxxar: On May 20 2019 10:44 wherebugsgo wrote: man I hate when I'm timeboxed for decisions. I've got one I've got to make before the 27th and I'd rather just punt it for 6 months but people are impatient /rl rant you're right, I didn't post reasons for ruxxar, mostly because I put too much faith in people actually going back to read his only post of any real substance and it being self-explanatory from his entrance. It's quite simple: 3 things that stand out: 1. Doesn't want to lynch active people but isn't actively involved either. In fact there's almost a hidden implication that ruxxar doesn't intend to be active in that statement 2. First 5 bullets come off as "I need to post some reads so I can continue skating by so let me summarize some basics and say things others probably would agree with" 3. Calix vote justification looks forced and justification for the sake of justification. When Calix responded by saying "yeah well, it looks like that way because I'm sheeping" ruxxar's only response was to concede that the pronouns were wrong. On May 20 2019 23:00 wherebugsgo wrote: man I might actually be right here ruxxar put up a weak front when responding to me and then just disappeared, while everyone else has just gone on to talk about all sorts of other things. Koshi's entrance and almost every entrance since then (like Artanis's) just make it easier for him to continue hiding. He's still the best lynch here. disformation's response isn't completely awful, and Conversion's response to Jock feels a bit overblown but it's easier to ignore him for now and let him calm down a bit because it reduces variance. this is to everyone, but mostly you and VE because you are the ones asserting this: rather than assume what Calix is saying why not just get Calix to say it directly? Nitpicking someone is not a great way to establish their alignment but ruxxar just came into thread so kinda waiting to see what he responds/posts. conversion is on me with: On May 20 2019 08:30 Conversion wrote: idk i havent played in a while but this sorta flaky thing is something that’s rather evident (like rayn just mentioned, he doesn’t take a stance really) someone correct me if that’s just how disfo plays, but i dont like pivot posts where someone goes “hmm good point but x” “this is true but y” might be personal bias against posts like that though. i’ll do a meta check once at a computer but i like my read right now On May 21 2019 00:05 Conversion wrote: so tell me why disformation IGNORING ME FOR THE PAST 40 PAGES NOT MAKE HIM SCUM jock on conv: On May 20 2019 17:37 Jockmcplop wrote: Lynching conversion is the smart play here. Like reading through his filter I can't see a single post where there's a clear town motive. He makes a read but says sorry and its probably wrong like because he hasn't played much. Later on its 'i'm on phone and lazy'. He's the third person in the space of a couple of hours to say he's on a plane and can't post. NAI on its own but looks scummy in context. Doesn't come back after. Long plane journey? Can't still post lazily on his phone when he lands/gets home. I mean if you're posting lazily why not just take the 2 seconds to do so. and then we still have the same old igrok stuff? | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
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disformation
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On May 20 2019 06:49 ruXxar wrote: this post right here it almost makes me wanna vomit how artificial it is not sure if that counts as case | ||
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Calix
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Conversion
United States3308 Posts
two recent games I'm meta diving here: classic (disfo mafia)and vendee (disfo town, replaced in after N1) the thing with disfo here, from what I'm reading, is that he generally sounds the same (to which I think rayn alluded to when he was telling me disfo sounds the same either way) the thing is I'm more inclined to believe disfo is mafia here because it's been almost 48hrs and he hasn't done one productive thing all game let's take a look at Vendee: vendee + Show Spoiler + On February 08 2018 05:25 disformation wrote: also a random thought i had: if i remember correctly: the rs wagon was for a long time the only serious one around, so i want to look at ppl who hoped onto that easily/meekily so that they look like they were doing/pushing someone. On February 08 2018 05:43 disformation wrote: flagged for possible teammate interaction. aware you are both in thread and mderg isnt doing too hot? your waffles on mderg dont look too bad imo. i have more of an issue that you basically had no reads? like first 2 pages of your filter you only directly have a read on rsoultin then you add mderg and prpl to your scumpile. heavily implied strong tr on koshi though On February 08 2018 06:51 disformation wrote: ritoky afks his vote on mderg fairly early in the day. says we could default lynch him instead for shennies. dont think that is likely to come from scum. hf was hammer on scum. and even if both wagons are scum i think a scum!hf would have played this day differently. outside of that it is a bit hard to tell imo. kinda depends on whether rsoultin is really scum or not. I'm not going to go on a wall of quotes here, but what I'm seeing is lots of transparent thoughts in solving the game, without PRODDING. that's the big thing here, disfo this game has done nothing but majorly prodding. no real original thoughts tbh, just lots of questions won't share who he wants to lynch, won't comment on wagons, doesn't defend anyone, he tries to slink off into the background stuff like this in the current game On May 20 2019 23:57 disformation wrote: currently looking at ruxxar. doesnt seem like a bad vote target. other option would be to sheep ve and hf onto igrok. want to see bc to explain the stuff surrounding his jock quote, think that will heavily influence my opinion on him. fairly null on you tbh. translates to "ruxxar is meh, I'll vote him maybe, or I'll sheep to igro, but you are null. he just seems very opportunistic and not trying to solve the game he only really comes in when questioned/asked as well, I'm not seeing any proactivity in scum hunting in his posts now let's look at his mafia game classic + Show Spoiler + On March 20 2018 16:36 disformation wrote: not sure what to about mocsta. I like that he is like looking at ppl that are not much talked about (tocktock). but then both tocktock and ylk look like okayish to me, so I am not sure if he is just making stuff up to post. On March 21 2018 21:34 disformation wrote: @rs: did look at the host revenge game. slam looked very different to here. i also don't think he would care that much about ppl voting him that much normally. but as a question: does it look different from only his town games or both his town and scum games? dont recall any scum slam games I was, link me a good one? though if the theory works then slam should think you are town for voting him early. as scum tries to keep him alive for long. the thing is, he hasn't posted about that theory thing recently hasnt he? maybe he forgot? so the question would be: @slam: chupazi theory or: which one is it? but i am not gonna lie, between him being very different and him being apparently fairly upset by that vote, he makes me nervous. On March 21 2018 21:56 disformation wrote: rayn's overall filter is kinda meh. doesn't look horrible on a glance, but has not a lot of impact either. his reason to vote me checks out. also seems to be very busy. rayn has fooled me before though so i'll reserve the right to some paranoia. not sure if i would want to lynch him for that d1, but if his filter is still meh and he has had no impact on a later day, i would heavily recommend lynching him. On March 21 2018 22:08 disformation wrote: nah. don't have a problem with rs's filter. have no meta with/on her though. On March 21 2018 22:25 disformation wrote: yeah i think that was my prob with conv as well. he had like 2 reads. just to organize my thought: town(ish) (no order): tocktock vivi ksc rs mocsta way too many nulls/meh/bleh ppl. he does a better job blending in Classic than he is here, actually. tries to at least LOOK like he's putting in some effort, but looking at his game here, it just does exactly what he's doing here, just better he's blending in, throwing out some "reads" here and there, but falls flat in taking a strong stance in really anything I just feel like it's the same sort of weird tonal meta read I had with rsoul in Vendee and the meta diving for me encapsulates disformation very clearly here: demotivated, trying to stay hidden and posting for the sake of posting (lots of prodding, evades conclusive questions, not really sure what real objective he has for D1 still to this hour) I'd just like to reiterate here that I do not think Jock-Disfo can be a team from the way they are playing. I'll look into ruxxar next since he did kind of just go "u tried" and ran away | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
On May 21 2019 01:00 Calix wrote: Clearly the current best case is ruxxar making a "here if you have any questions" post before fucking off. wow already has been an hour... alrighty! #vote: ruxxar | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
On May 21 2019 01:14 Conversion wrote: interestingly enough I have played with disformation more than I thought two recent games I'm meta diving here: classic (disfo mafia)and vendee (disfo town, replaced in after N1) totally forgot about vendee. think i havent added both games to my filter either. On May 21 2019 01:14 Conversion wrote: the thing with disfo here, from what I'm reading, is that he generally sounds the same (to which I think rayn alluded to when he was telling me disfo sounds the same either way) yeah no shit On May 21 2019 01:14 Conversion wrote: the thing is I'm more inclined to believe disfo is mafia here because it's been almost 48hrs and he hasn't done one productive thing all game yeah unfortunately i missed a huge part of d1. On May 21 2019 01:14 Conversion wrote: let's take a look at Vendee: vendee + Show Spoiler + On February 08 2018 05:25 disformation wrote: also a random thought i had: if i remember correctly: the rs wagon was for a long time the only serious one around, so i want to look at ppl who hoped onto that easily/meekily so that they look like they were doing/pushing someone. On February 08 2018 05:43 disformation wrote: flagged for possible teammate interaction. aware you are both in thread and mderg isnt doing too hot? your waffles on mderg dont look too bad imo. i have more of an issue that you basically had no reads? like first 2 pages of your filter you only directly have a read on rsoultin then you add mderg and prpl to your scumpile. heavily implied strong tr on koshi though On February 08 2018 06:51 disformation wrote: ritoky afks his vote on mderg fairly early in the day. says we could default lynch him instead for shennies. dont think that is likely to come from scum. hf was hammer on scum. and even if both wagons are scum i think a scum!hf would have played this day differently. outside of that it is a bit hard to tell imo. kinda depends on whether rsoultin is really scum or not. I'm not going to go on a wall of quotes here, but what I'm seeing is lots of transparent thoughts in solving the game, without PRODDING. that's the big thing here, disfo this game has done nothing but majorly prodding. no real original thoughts tbh, just lots of questions won't share who he wants to lynch, won't comment on wagons, doesn't defend anyone, he tries to slink off into the background stuff like this in the current game On May 20 2019 23:57 disformation wrote: currently looking at ruxxar. doesnt seem like a bad vote target. other option would be to sheep ve and hf onto igrok. want to see bc to explain the stuff surrounding his jock quote, think that will heavily influence my opinion on him. fairly null on you tbh. translates to "ruxxar is meh, I'll vote him maybe, or I'll sheep to igro, but you are null. he just seems very opportunistic and not trying to solve the game he only really comes in when questioned/asked as well, I'm not seeing any proactivity in scum hunting in his posts now let's look at his mafia game classic + Show Spoiler + On March 20 2018 16:36 disformation wrote: not sure what to about mocsta. I like that he is like looking at ppl that are not much talked about (tocktock). but then both tocktock and ylk look like okayish to me, so I am not sure if he is just making stuff up to post. On March 21 2018 21:34 disformation wrote: @rs: did look at the host revenge game. slam looked very different to here. i also don't think he would care that much about ppl voting him that much normally. but as a question: does it look different from only his town games or both his town and scum games? dont recall any scum slam games I was, link me a good one? though if the theory works then slam should think you are town for voting him early. as scum tries to keep him alive for long. the thing is, he hasn't posted about that theory thing recently hasnt he? maybe he forgot? so the question would be: @slam: chupazi theory or: which one is it? but i am not gonna lie, between him being very different and him being apparently fairly upset by that vote, he makes me nervous. On March 21 2018 21:56 disformation wrote: rayn's overall filter is kinda meh. doesn't look horrible on a glance, but has not a lot of impact either. his reason to vote me checks out. also seems to be very busy. rayn has fooled me before though so i'll reserve the right to some paranoia. not sure if i would want to lynch him for that d1, but if his filter is still meh and he has had no impact on a later day, i would heavily recommend lynching him. On March 21 2018 22:08 disformation wrote: nah. don't have a problem with rs's filter. have no meta with/on her though. On March 21 2018 22:25 disformation wrote: yeah i think that was my prob with conv as well. he had like 2 reads. just to organize my thought: town(ish) (no order): tocktock vivi ksc rs mocsta way too many nulls/meh/bleh ppl. he does a better job blending in Classic than he is here, actually. tries to at least LOOK like he's putting in some effort, but looking at his game here, it just does exactly what he's doing here, just better he's blending in, throwing out some "reads" here and there, but falls flat in taking a strong stance in really anything I just feel like it's the same sort of weird tonal meta read I had with rsoul in Vendee and the meta diving for me encapsulates disformation very clearly here: demotivated, trying to stay hidden and posting for the sake of posting (lots of prodding, evades conclusive questions, not really sure what real objective he has for D1 still to this hour) I'd just like to reiterate here that I do not think Jock-Disfo can be a team from the way they are playing. I'll look into ruxxar next since he did kind of just go "u tried" and ran away slightly confused why you say in the beginning i sound the same in both games and then conclude i am scum anyways, at least partially for tone? I also wouldn't exactly call the quotes from the classic game strong conclusions. well maybe the comment on hf. | ||
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ruXxar
Norway5669 Posts
On May 21 2019 00:22 wherebugsgo wrote: Feel free to explain at this point who you'd kill and why. I have my doubts you'll make much sense, though. so i spent about an hour reading through filters to refresh and condense my thoughts. tbh my opnions didnt change much. new development being koshis entry and seeming fairly townish. im starting to dislike jock a lot, his thread presence is annoying and erratic, i wish he would calm down and focus. my scum read on calix remains, though i liked her post on conversion. speaking of: im sensing some fake agression from conversion. might be tryharding to imitate town meta. i could be swayed to vote conversion today. | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
On May 21 2019 01:39 ruXxar wrote: so i spent about an hour reading through filters to refresh and condense my thoughts. tbh my opnions didnt change much. new development being koshis entry and seeming fairly townish. im starting to dislike jock a lot, his thread presence is annoying and erratic, i wish he would calm down and focus. my scum read on calix remains, though i liked her post on conversion. speaking of: im sensing some fake agression from conversion. might be tryharding to imitate town meta. i could be swayed to vote conversion today. That means you are still scumreading calix mainly for her entry post? Despite liking some posts she posted in the meantime? | ||
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ruXxar
Norway5669 Posts
On May 21 2019 01:14 Conversion wrote: interestingly enough I have played with disformation more than I thought two recent games I'm meta diving here: classic (disfo mafia)and vendee (disfo town, replaced in after N1) the thing with disfo here, from what I'm reading, is that he generally sounds the same (to which I think rayn alluded to when he was telling me disfo sounds the same either way) the thing is I'm more inclined to believe disfo is mafia here because it's been almost 48hrs and he hasn't done one productive thing all game let's take a look at Vendee: vendee + Show Spoiler + On February 08 2018 05:25 disformation wrote: also a random thought i had: if i remember correctly: the rs wagon was for a long time the only serious one around, so i want to look at ppl who hoped onto that easily/meekily so that they look like they were doing/pushing someone. On February 08 2018 05:43 disformation wrote: flagged for possible teammate interaction. aware you are both in thread and mderg isnt doing too hot? your waffles on mderg dont look too bad imo. i have more of an issue that you basically had no reads? like first 2 pages of your filter you only directly have a read on rsoultin then you add mderg and prpl to your scumpile. heavily implied strong tr on koshi though On February 08 2018 06:51 disformation wrote: ritoky afks his vote on mderg fairly early in the day. says we could default lynch him instead for shennies. dont think that is likely to come from scum. hf was hammer on scum. and even if both wagons are scum i think a scum!hf would have played this day differently. outside of that it is a bit hard to tell imo. kinda depends on whether rsoultin is really scum or not. I'm not going to go on a wall of quotes here, but what I'm seeing is lots of transparent thoughts in solving the game, without PRODDING. that's the big thing here, disfo this game has done nothing but majorly prodding. no real original thoughts tbh, just lots of questions won't share who he wants to lynch, won't comment on wagons, doesn't defend anyone, he tries to slink off into the background stuff like this in the current game On May 20 2019 23:57 disformation wrote: currently looking at ruxxar. doesnt seem like a bad vote target. other option would be to sheep ve and hf onto igrok. want to see bc to explain the stuff surrounding his jock quote, think that will heavily influence my opinion on him. fairly null on you tbh. translates to "ruxxar is meh, I'll vote him maybe, or I'll sheep to igro, but you are null. he just seems very opportunistic and not trying to solve the game he only really comes in when questioned/asked as well, I'm not seeing any proactivity in scum hunting in his posts now let's look at his mafia game classic + Show Spoiler + On March 20 2018 16:36 disformation wrote: not sure what to about mocsta. I like that he is like looking at ppl that are not much talked about (tocktock). but then both tocktock and ylk look like okayish to me, so I am not sure if he is just making stuff up to post. On March 21 2018 21:34 disformation wrote: @rs: did look at the host revenge game. slam looked very different to here. i also don't think he would care that much about ppl voting him that much normally. but as a question: does it look different from only his town games or both his town and scum games? dont recall any scum slam games I was, link me a good one? though if the theory works then slam should think you are town for voting him early. as scum tries to keep him alive for long. the thing is, he hasn't posted about that theory thing recently hasnt he? maybe he forgot? so the question would be: @slam: chupazi theory or: which one is it? but i am not gonna lie, between him being very different and him being apparently fairly upset by that vote, he makes me nervous. On March 21 2018 21:56 disformation wrote: rayn's overall filter is kinda meh. doesn't look horrible on a glance, but has not a lot of impact either. his reason to vote me checks out. also seems to be very busy. rayn has fooled me before though so i'll reserve the right to some paranoia. not sure if i would want to lynch him for that d1, but if his filter is still meh and he has had no impact on a later day, i would heavily recommend lynching him. On March 21 2018 22:08 disformation wrote: nah. don't have a problem with rs's filter. have no meta with/on her though. On March 21 2018 22:25 disformation wrote: yeah i think that was my prob with conv as well. he had like 2 reads. just to organize my thought: town(ish) (no order): tocktock vivi ksc rs mocsta way too many nulls/meh/bleh ppl. he does a better job blending in Classic than he is here, actually. tries to at least LOOK like he's putting in some effort, but looking at his game here, it just does exactly what he's doing here, just better he's blending in, throwing out some "reads" here and there, but falls flat in taking a strong stance in really anything I just feel like it's the same sort of weird tonal meta read I had with rsoul in Vendee and the meta diving for me encapsulates disformation very clearly here: demotivated, trying to stay hidden and posting for the sake of posting (lots of prodding, evades conclusive questions, not really sure what real objective he has for D1 still to this hour) I'd just like to reiterate here that I do not think Jock-Disfo can be a team from the way they are playing. I'll look into ruxxar next since he did kind of just go "u tried" and ran away i had a look through some disfo games and i came to the exact opposite conclusion. he seems towny tbh. | ||
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Calix
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On May 21 2019 01:39 ruXxar wrote: so i spent about an hour reading through filters to refresh and condense my thoughts. tbh my opnions didnt change much. new development being koshis entry and seeming fairly townish. im starting to dislike jock a lot, his thread presence is annoying and erratic, i wish he would calm down and focus. my scum read on calix remains, though i liked her post on conversion. speaking of: im sensing some fake agression from conversion. might be tryharding to imitate town meta. i could be swayed to vote conversion today. Of course you'd like Koshi when he's been yelling down the house about how totes townie you are. Disliking someone - is this a scum-read? lol So you still think I'm mafia despite me being one of the main people scum-reading Conversion. Makes sense. | ||
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ruXxar
Norway5669 Posts
On May 21 2019 01:44 disformation wrote: That means you are still scumreading calix mainly for her entry post? Despite liking some posts she posted in the meantime? yep | ||
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ruXxar
Norway5669 Posts
On May 21 2019 01:46 Calix wrote: Of course you'd like Koshi when he's been yelling down the house about how totes townie you are. Disliking someone - is this a scum-read? lol So you still think I'm mafia despite me being one of the main people scum-reading Conversion. Makes sense. 1) the koshi read is due to meta read from previous games, but sure, its not a hard read. 2) its between the two of you | ||
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Calix
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On May 21 2019 01:49 ruXxar wrote: 1) the koshi read is due to meta read from previous games, but sure, its not a hard read. 2) its between the two of you Why re: question 2? I don't see what led you to think "one of Jock/ Calix is mafia" | ||
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ruXxar
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On May 21 2019 01:50 Calix wrote: Why re: question 2? I don't see what led you to think "one of Jock/ Calix is mafia" So you still think I'm mafia despite me being one of the main people scum-reading Conversion. Makes sense. 2) its between the two of you there is no jock | ||
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unwillingness to update ones reads in the face of new evidence is usually not town. guess that applied to conv too though... | ||
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