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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 21 2019 19:39 GMT
#1768
On May 22 2019 04:37 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 04:30 iGrok wrote:
Lunch break.

On May 22 2019 04:11 Koshi wrote:
Igrok thinks bc, Calix and hf are mafia. Looks good.


I dont have a strong read on BC, I just think he's done some things that I don't like. I'm slightly biased towards liking him for a couple reasons. A) His posts are typically well formatted summaries, and I'm a sucker for those. B) As he said about me, we recognize each other's names so there is some subconcious level of bias towards each other. As in, all things considered, if I had two players exactly equally likely, I'd rather keep the player I'm more familiar with because it should be easier to read them later.

HF, Calix, Rux, Arty, BC, loosely in that order.

HF wants me to cite every action of his that I refer to and I'm simply not going to do that. The thread is too long and too dense. He's flipped aggro a bunch of times as I referred to previously, and almost always it was towards someone who was starting to get momentum towards them.


God, what is with you/ BC and making waffle reads on each other? It's really hard to not pre-flip associate when you two come out with shit like this.

And of course your top lynch target is a guy who has no votes or sentiment against him while the second target is the leading wagon! You're not subtle, fam.

Uhh... I can't speak for BC but my "waffle" read on BC is because I don't have strong town or strong scum points for him. Please quote a single post of mine in which I have made a strong case either for or against him.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 21 2019 19:44 GMT
#1778
On May 22 2019 04:42 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 04:39 iGrok wrote:
On May 22 2019 04:37 Calix wrote:
On May 22 2019 04:30 iGrok wrote:
Lunch break.

On May 22 2019 04:11 Koshi wrote:
Igrok thinks bc, Calix and hf are mafia. Looks good.


I dont have a strong read on BC, I just think he's done some things that I don't like. I'm slightly biased towards liking him for a couple reasons. A) His posts are typically well formatted summaries, and I'm a sucker for those. B) As he said about me, we recognize each other's names so there is some subconcious level of bias towards each other. As in, all things considered, if I had two players exactly equally likely, I'd rather keep the player I'm more familiar with because it should be easier to read them later.

HF, Calix, Rux, Arty, BC, loosely in that order.

HF wants me to cite every action of his that I refer to and I'm simply not going to do that. The thread is too long and too dense. He's flipped aggro a bunch of times as I referred to previously, and almost always it was towards someone who was starting to get momentum towards them.


God, what is with you/ BC and making waffle reads on each other? It's really hard to not pre-flip associate when you two come out with shit like this.

And of course your top lynch target is a guy who has no votes or sentiment against him while the second target is the leading wagon! You're not subtle, fam.

Uhh... I can't speak for BC but my "waffle" read on BC is because I don't have strong town or strong scum points for him. Please quote a single post of mine in which I have made a strong case either for or against him.


No no, I get he's a null read. But instead of just fucking saying he's null, you write a whole paragraph that doesn't need to exist. That's what I have a problem with.

Koshi, who I think is very Town, believed that I thought BC was mafia, when in fact I did not. I explained my reasoning for the null read to him, because I want him to understand my train of thought.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 21 2019 20:02 GMT
#1798
@HF Rayn when people were initially annoyed, VE for aggroing on me, Me (because I called rayn mafia, when you had done the same less than 6 hours prior), Calix before she started posting much and someone called her on a weak opening summary post, Ruxxar when he went on you, Jock when Jock first started to feel upset and say fuck it, BACK to VE and rayn, and now back to me I guess? You're all over the place and its always when someone looks like a potential D1 wagon.

Seminar is back on, I'll check in a couple hours before the lynch.

Don't be dumb, guys.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 21 2019 20:03 GMT
#1799
On May 22 2019 04:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
He's not, he's trusting townread bugs and fearing my skill

On May 22 2019 04:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
WAIT THAT DOESNT SOUND LIKE BC AT ALL

Fuck this is gold LOL
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 21 2019 21:25 GMT
#1846
On May 22 2019 05:57 Koshi wrote:
1. BloodyC0bble
4. HolyFlare
8. iGrok
11. disformation
12. Arty Mctanis
13. Calix

My 6 candidates after D1. Bit afraid for Ruxxar maybe? I hesitated the most there.
And rayn I don't consider till d3.

This is a pretty good list tbh
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 21 2019 21:29 GMT
#1847
I'm actually getting invested in this game now. I should really be focusing on this seminar but like... I'm getting pulled back in.

I still think Calix is the best d1 lynch.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 21 2019 21:30 GMT
#1848
Oh right,
##Vote: Calix
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 21 2019 21:41 GMT
#1854
Because I don't think I can get HF lynched.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 21 2019 21:43 GMT
#1857
Hmm... I didn't actually put together that HF going for ez lynch onto Calix makes it less likely for them both to be mafia. Good catch disinfo.

##unvote calix while processing
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 21 2019 21:48 GMT
#1859
On May 22 2019 06:44 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 06:41 iGrok wrote:
Because I don't think I can get HF lynched.


But you had to have known that to begin with.

Additionally, we were in the thread at the same time yet you never bothered to ask me anything or make accusations, etc, even though I'm supposedly one of your top scum-reads???

Hell, I even asked you shit and you never took the opportunity to do this, you just responded meekly to whatever query or accusations I made!

I haven't engaged with anyone really, because up until now, whenever I've checked back in there's been over 20 pages to read over and process, so I just got my thoughts out in the open, briefly interacted, and slept/went to seminar.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 21 2019 21:56 GMT
#1870
Don't call me doll, sugar.

In your last couple posts, your characterization of me has been both "you never bothered to ask me anything or make accusations, etc" to "you were definitely engaging with me". If all my questions have been asked by other people, and you've answered, why would I ask them to you again?

@VE, right now I've got a couple green points on you and one pink (not really scummy but contradicts something I thought about you). I mean if you want me to die then I guess... vote for me? You still think Koshi is Obv-town, right?

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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 21 2019 21:59 GMT
#1875
On May 22 2019 06:56 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 06:52 Holyflare wrote:
It's like pulling teeth to lynch a guy that hasn't even posted anything with evidence to back up :D why

like. i have no idea whats going on and i am not sure if i want to laugh or cry and then i see the vc and think i should prolly cry.

i mean look at that post:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 06:43 iGrok wrote:
Hmm... I didn't actually put together that HF going for ez lynch onto Calix makes it less likely for them both to be mafia. Good catch disinfo.

##unvote calix while processing

"oh right none of my stuff makes sense, let me think about that".
is that really a post scum makes?
and on the other hand its like nearing the end of a 72h cycle and id like to go to bed in 1h and i have 0 clue where the guys head is at...

I'm not saying that none of my stuff makes sense, but that one bit - yeah its important and I missed that connection, and I'm glad you caught it so I can reevaluate before EOD?
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 21 2019 22:01 GMT
#1881
On May 22 2019 07:00 Koshi wrote:
iGrok if you get yourself lunched over 100% Calix and 85% mafia BC.... Sad days bro.

Yeah, not really sure what to do about this. I've got to decide if Calix is mafia and HF is dumbtown or vice versa
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 21 2019 22:03 GMT
#1886
On May 22 2019 07:01 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 07:01 iGrok wrote:
On May 22 2019 07:00 Koshi wrote:
iGrok if you get yourself lunched over 100% Calix and 85% mafia BC.... Sad days bro.

Yeah, not really sure what to do about this. I've got to decide if Calix is mafia and HF is dumbtown or vice versa

Both mafia lol

But then what about what disinfo pointed out? Is HF likely to lean on Calix early if both?
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 21 2019 22:05 GMT
#1887
@HF I never voted for rayn. fake voted him in thread only, when he was making his silly fake role pm play
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 21 2019 22:09 GMT
#1900
On May 22 2019 07:05 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 06:43 iGrok wrote:
Hmm... I didn't actually put together that HF going for ez lynch onto Calix makes it less likely for them both to be mafia. Good catch disinfo.

##unvote calix while processing


Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 07:01 iGrok wrote:
On May 22 2019 07:00 Koshi wrote:
iGrok if you get yourself lunched over 100% Calix and 85% mafia BC.... Sad days bro.

Yeah, not really sure what to do about this. I've got to decide if Calix is mafia and HF is dumbtown or vice versa


How the fuck do you have to decide about THIS scenario.

Either I went for the easy lynch on Calix YOUR MAFIA READ as mafia or town.

But how does it make me dumb town OR mafia to do this?
How does Calix's alignment make any difference to my alignment in this scenario?

If you are going for an easy lynch on anyone you can, you are mafia.

If you are mafia, and you try to push an easy lynch on calix, calix is not mafia.

If you legit thought calix was mafia, so you tried to lynch him, you are town.

Are you with me?
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 21 2019 22:13 GMT
#1907
On May 22 2019 07:08 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 07:07 disformation wrote:
On May 22 2019 07:01 Calix wrote:
On May 22 2019 06:56 disformation wrote:
On May 22 2019 06:52 Holyflare wrote:
It's like pulling teeth to lynch a guy that hasn't even posted anything with evidence to back up :D why

like. i have no idea whats going on and i am not sure if i want to laugh or cry and then i see the vc and think i should prolly cry.

i mean look at that post:
On May 22 2019 06:43 iGrok wrote:
Hmm... I didn't actually put together that HF going for ez lynch onto Calix makes it less likely for them both to be mafia. Good catch disinfo.

##unvote calix while processing

"oh right none of my stuff makes sense, let me think about that".
is that really a post scum makes?
and on the other hand its like nearing the end of a 72h cycle and id like to go to bed in 1h and i have 0 clue where the guys head is at...


Uh, he kinda HAS to make that post after you literally called him out for it. What else could he say to that?

not 100% something about reading them individually or something? i dunno.
im just super like dazzled by the "oh you are right. drops vote like its hot"

ebwop:
not 100% something about reading them individually or something? i dunno.
im just super like dazzled by the "oh you are right. drops vote like its hot"

I don't have an ego, and I can recognize and acknowledge when I missed something. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 21 2019 22:16 GMT
#1916
On May 22 2019 07:11 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 07:09 iGrok wrote:
On May 22 2019 07:05 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2019 06:43 iGrok wrote:
Hmm... I didn't actually put together that HF going for ez lynch onto Calix makes it less likely for them both to be mafia. Good catch disinfo.

##unvote calix while processing


On May 22 2019 07:01 iGrok wrote:
On May 22 2019 07:00 Koshi wrote:
iGrok if you get yourself lunched over 100% Calix and 85% mafia BC.... Sad days bro.

Yeah, not really sure what to do about this. I've got to decide if Calix is mafia and HF is dumbtown or vice versa


How the fuck do you have to decide about THIS scenario.

Either I went for the easy lynch on Calix YOUR MAFIA READ as mafia or town.

But how does it make me dumb town OR mafia to do this?
How does Calix's alignment make any difference to my alignment in this scenario?

If you are going for an easy lynch on anyone you can, you are mafia.

If you are mafia, and you try to push an easy lynch on calix, calix is not mafia.

If you legit thought calix was mafia, so you tried to lynch him, you are town.

Are you with me?


Calix is your scum read, arguably the most you've talked about. Why would I be a DUMB TOWN to vote on the person you think is mafia?

You are voting calix now. I am not and really don't think we should be.

Why are our alignments opposite? Surely I did a weak push and now we're both mafia??? This reads as extremely fake, I'm not even pushing calix and I don't really think I've pushed calix strongly all game so this indecision about our alignments reads really forced.

I unvoted on Calix when disinfo pointed out the logic. And alright, dumb town is harsh? but I still don't like jumping across so many accusation focuses so early.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 21 2019 22:18 GMT
#1922
Back to class. Will mull it over while there.
MOTM | Stim.tv | TL Mafia | Fantasy Fighting! | SNSD
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
May 21 2019 23:22 GMT
#1959
I've only got three points on rux. 1 null, 1 town, 1 scum (#1347). Initially thought rux was scummy but others have been more active, generating more scum points.

If it comes down to myself, bc, or rux, I will obviously vote rux.

Still don't know wtf to think about HF/Calix. there's something I'm just not seeing.
Calix did soft defend rux once but thats not a major point either...
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