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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
May 26 2019 03:03 GMT
#4766
Night 2

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Researcher 1: Hey, anybody notice that there's been no murders since that guy said that some of us were murderers and then ran off laughing manically?

Researcher 2: Yeah that guy was weird.

Researcher 3: I HEARD HE EATS POOP!

Researcher 1: Whatever, let's kill someone else just to be safe.



uGrok? iGrack.

iGrok the VT has been lynched!

It is now night time. If you have a night action, please make sure to send it to both hosts (Fecalfeast and myself).

until day 3. (Monday, May 27 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00))
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
May 26 2019 20:00 GMT
#5050
Game Announcement


This has been a difficult decision for hosts, but we feel that recent role PM discussions between HF and WBG go against the spirit of the game.

11. Breadcrumbing the specific phrasing of your role PM. Do not compare the phrasing in your role PM to prove your alignment. You can claim the abilities you have, but you can't use the specific phrasing of your role PM.

FF also posted a blanket warning for people not to discuss mod interactions.

On May 22 2019 12:02 Fecalfeast wrote:
Please, PLEASE don't talk about host interactions or actions in the game thread. Don't talk about wanting to replace, questions asked to the hosts, requests sent to the mods for a votecount, whether you asked the mods how their day is going or anything else in the game thread. You may PM either host with any questions you may have about the game.

I'm issuing a blanket warning for this rather than say anything more on the matter. There are no mod actions taking place at this time.




WBG:+ Show Spoiler +

On May 26 2019 14:44 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm:

gunsmith

that's how my role appears, even though it's Gunsmith in the OP.


On May 26 2019 18:02 wherebugsgo wrote:
Koshi I literally did not believe your claim because you bolded and coloured the role name LOL


On May 26 2019 18:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2019 18:30 Holyflare wrote:
Like now I know your claim is legit because:


I'm:

gunsmith

that's how my role appears, even though it's Gunsmith in the OP.


you talked about your host given role pm and how it was formatted and it's just like mine so you will never ever be lynched by me or campaigned for being mafia


I mean, I didn't quote the PM at all? That's literally how my role appears, I'm going to claim it as I received it, and state that it does not match what's in the OP because that's the truth.

Like, I didn't believe Koshi's roleclaim partly because it was bolded and in blue and that does not match what was clarified publically in this thread.

On May 26 2019 18:41 wherebugsgo wrote:
what? how is that breadcrumbing when my role PM is a single word?


I don't think that Bugs intended to try to cheat the game by talking about how the PM that he got differs from the one provided in the OP, but it is still against the rules. Mafia should not be a game of trying to find out who is aware of what the role PM looks like that a host sends. WBG mentions that his PM was one word, unbolded, uncapitalized, and not in blue, none of which is information that should have come into the game.

HF:+ Show Spoiler +

On May 26 2019 18:30 Holyflare wrote:
Like now I know your claim is legit because:

Show nested quote +

I'm:

gunsmith

that's how my role appears, even though it's Gunsmith in the OP.


you talked about your host given role pm and how it was formatted and it's just like mine so you will never ever be lynched by me or campaigned for being mafia


On May 26 2019 18:44 Holyflare wrote:
If it doesn't even matter anymore my role is vt all lowercase and that's why I made a case on rayn


On May 26 2019 18:47 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2019 18:47 wherebugsgo wrote:
like you really don't seem to be posting in good faith here, you just seem salty.


I'm confirmed town to anyone that has the same PM, deal with it


On May 26 2019 19:04 Holyflare wrote:
Just gonna afk the rest of the game. Unfair if I continue playing it. Don't mind if mafia get +1 unblockable kp to deal with me or something.


On May 26 2019 20:21 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2019 20:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 26 2019 20:19 Holyflare wrote:
I'm not complaining VE but I think you're mafia because as soon as bugs claimed a power role you went straight into pleading with him rather than thinking he was mafia. Now bugs is confirmed town I can see why.

And you can't see me doing this as town HF?

This is something I'd only do as mafia?

K thx for revealing yourself as one of the bads at long last. FINALLY I can quit trying to be like you.


Dunno why you're getting irate with me I'll probably be modkilled soon.


On May 26 2019 20:47 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2019 20:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 26 2019 20:44 Holyflare wrote:
Let's just lynch calix tomorrow and team up with rayn and koshi then?

What are you not getting here? Bugs either is town and thinks I'm mafia and will stop at nothing, or he's mafia and has made his choice. One of the two of us is dead in the morning. And everyone that's left HATES me and rayn and Koshi. There's not going to be any "teaming up with rayn and koshi" tomorrow. This game is over.


Bugs is confirmed town, he used his role pm as evidence.


On May 26 2019 20:54 Holyflare wrote:
They have to rb jock and kill rayn so he gets no checks. Or rb rayn and kill koshi and hope jock follows through with his plan to shoot bc or me which would be a colossal error seeing as we're about the only 2 confirmed town + bugs in the game.



In response to Bugs, HF talks about the wording of his own role PM and uses it to push the idea that he is a confirmed town along with Bugs, which I think he knows goes against the spirit of the game.

Wherebugsgo and Holyflare have both been modkilled. They will be flipped at the end of the night phase.

I understand that not all people will agree with our decision. Please leave all complaints/discussions about hosting decisions for post game.

Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
May 26 2019 20:03 GMT
#5053
No worries.

Game continues. Chin up.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
May 27 2019 03:04 GMT
#5080
Day 3
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One of the researchers was brutally murdered. Probably the one that said that FecalFeast eats poop.



Holyflare the VT has been modkilled!

Wherebugsgo the Gunsmith has been modkilled

Raynpelikoneet the Parity Cop has been killed


until lynch. (Thursday, May 30 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00))
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
May 30 2019 06:33 GMT
#5244
The Grackaroni Post Game Awards Show

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Best reads goes to:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mr BloodyC0bbler!
+ Show Spoiler +

On May 25 2019 20:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
1. To BC: do you agree with the case on iGrok?

I see some merit in it, but I also feel like its somewhat fabricated. Everything of Igrok I see comes off as townish for the most part. My biggest issue is that Koshi is hard town reading him.


2. To both of you: can you again provide a list of all your reads?

Town
BC
Bugs
VE(i know right)

Null to lean town
HF
Rayn
Igrok
Jock

Null to Lean Mafia
Koshi
Conversion

Mafia
Artanis
Calix
Disinformation




Post with the most potential for solving the game goes to:
+ Show Spoiler +

Ms. Calix!
+ Show Spoiler +

On May 27 2019 17:07 Calix wrote:
As for D2, I still think his Artanis switch from this:

Show nested quote +
On May 24 2019 03:20 Conversion wrote:
artanis is giving me great conflict. generally his entire filter looked good to me. the only thing about this is I don't QUITE particularly think BC was being aggressive, except to Artanis himself. so I don't quite get this "BC was super duper aggressive, but then chilled out" as a switch reason.

+ Show Spoiler +

On May 23 2019 20:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
First, why I'm not as sold on BC anymore. He's significantly dialed down his aggression in general when there's no real reason to and is giving opinions on a lot of things. It's this sequence of posts:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2019 07:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I r back now and fuck, sorry guys. The way Ruxxar was playing I thought the read was right =\ Even if my voted wasn't on him, my read still played a huge part in his death.

As for the newest events of the last 20 pages or so.

No Bugs, after al that has been said and done, I wont be agreeing to kill VE. I voted for him (briefly) for the same reasons I started to lose my read of HF in the last game. Having time to sit back, think, and reflect I just can't kill him atm.

Looking at the thread trying to be impartial again to avoid the tunnel mentality and the adversity from contrary reads VE looks good. and his reasonings for the slight changes between games makes sense. Can't kill him as of yet.

Looking at the thread now, especially during the night phase. I would say this.

Rayn, HF, VE, Koshi (i hate saying this), all look decent and should be where any protective roles we have be sitting.

As much I know that I am on that list because I know that I am 100% town, given that basically no one else thinks so, leave me to potential bullets. Bugs, and I personally would say Jock, basically lives in the same zone that I am.

That leaves everyone else.

There is enough consensus now on Artanis that although the way I got my initial read on him was completely stupid, he has continued to post in a way that I still think is mafia. Plus the people who seem to be playing better than me agree on it so I feel a bit more sure.

the other 2 I feel are scattered between Callix, Igrok, Conversion and Disinformation. Im trying to avoid tunneling like I have been, because I can see that I have been now.

I need to reread Calix and Igrok as through tunneling artanis, ruxxar and disinformation I more or less left them by the wayside.


Show nested quote +
On May 23 2019 07:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Bugs. I will fully agree that my first major read on Artanis was after he tunnel dove me and said shit I know is wrong. Your reason for why i was super pissed is right though. I gave him a pass, got shat on by him for giving him that pass, had my filter misinterpreted and shit made up. So I will fully admit I got pissed and tunneled on him.

Now. Do I still think hes mafia? yes, but hes currently the only read I had that I am committed to.

That is also concentrating mainly on the last 24ish hours as well.

The content is partially important, but more so is the tone. As mafia there'd be no reason to do anything but keep the focus on me with thread sentiment on his side. He also seems to be working with people to actively try and get a read on them.
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2019 20:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I have already stated when I scum read you and when I upgraded my read. Those are clearly already in thread. So go filter dive me if you want to read them. Even you have to put through the extra work if we are going to solve the game.

The tone is just so different from earlier and there was no pressure on him to change, really. All the people accusing him were considered null at best.

As for why WBG:
Same tone thing, but very differently. When HF accused me of something that was wrong, this was how he replied:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 04:20 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2019 04:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
And HF, explain your read progression on me. You disliked me, read my filter, gave a begrudging townread and now you're scumreading me for something that is wholly false.


Eh, yeah, you're pretty correct actually I don't know. I think it's because you're just not around that you kind of fall by the wayside and I'm like "oh, I haven't scum read that guy in a while and nobody else fits, let's call him mafia."

Extremely transparent, acknowledges his reasons for reading me were inaccurate and.. that's it. He doesn't arrive at a conclusion immedately because it's not necessary. Contrast that with Bugs regarding me accusing BC:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2019 23:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
why did people say BC OMGUSed artanis when BC scumread artanis first

or at least I feel like I remember that sentiment was thrown around

ok w/e. Too much thinking.

Makes an incorrect statement.
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2019 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote:
On BC reading Artanis as scum before Artanis cased him, look:

On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Fuck. I need to sleep.

Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.

If hes not who we decide to lynch.

At this point id still be down for

Artanis
Disinformation
Ruxxar.

I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities


He literally lists Artanis as the FIRST choice before disfo/ruxxar, after just saying he is confused about VE.

I can totally get him reacting very strongly to Artanis then jumping on a vote on him.

I’m actually deducting town points from both disformation and Artanis for not correctly reading this and using it as an opportunity to scum me instead


Lastly, on the disappearing thing: go ahead and look at the times I’m absent from the thread. It is 7 am here in Japan. I referred to ruxxar disappearing on multiple occasions after myself or other players would direct messages at him shortly after he posted in the thread. These are different types of disappearances, and that both rayn and disformation are trying to scum me for it is highly suspicious.

Well, I guess not on rayn’s part because rayn just has a hard-on for calling me stupid and twisting everything I say in that direction.

Expands on statement, showcases its importance regarding reading me and disfo. Did not check the validity of said statement.
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2019 07:26 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 23 2019 07:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On May 23 2019 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote:
On BC reading Artanis as scum before Artanis cased him, look:

On May 21 2019 21:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Fuck. I need to sleep.

Currently Voting for VE. Although I may be seeing ghosts so I need to think on it a bit / re read his filter.

If hes not who we decide to lynch.

At this point id still be down for

Artanis
Disinformation
Ruxxar.

I will clearly update / reevaluate based on whatever is posted while im gone but those 4 would be my preferred lynch priorities


He literally lists Artanis as the FIRST choice before disfo/ruxxar, after just saying he is confused about VE.

I can totally get him reacting very strongly to Artanis then jumping on a vote on him.

I’m actually deducting town points from both disformation and Artanis for not correctly reading this and using it as an opportunity to scum me instead

Lastly, on the disappearing thing: go ahead and look at the times I’m absent from the thread. It is 7 am here in Japan. I referred to ruxxar disappearing on multiple occasions after myself or other players would direct messages at him shortly after he posted in the thread. These are different types of disappearances, and that both rayn and disformation are trying to scum me for it is highly suspicious.

Well, I guess not on rayn’s part because rayn just has a hard-on for calling me stupid and twisting everything I say in that direction.

I didn't know May 21 2019 21:08 was before May 20 2019 22:22 in your calendar, WBG.


Did you scumread BC before you voted him? Because if you did then I honestly just didn’t remember that, all I remember is that I ignored you for a while since your vote was on me and you were mostly AFK so why would I bother reading you.

If you did indeed scumread him before then my apologies, I’m wrong and BC OMGUSed you. Not sure that makes him scum or that his assessment of the situation from his perspective is scummy given that I agreed with it.

"Oh I was wrong, but it doesn't change my BC read!"
The focus is much more defensive and closed.

Then the most recent post made above feels to me like he's trying to stay 'above' the discussion. Get people to guess at his little game to get free townreads.. it doesn't feel like he's critically trying to think of the game, but just filling up space whilst sitting on the sidelines.

##Vote wherebugsgo



the second thing is his bugs read, but that's mostly because I townread bugs and I don't think his argument was a good one. mmmmmmmh

he's definitely looks less towny than BC to me right now


"definitely looks less towny than BC...generally his entire filter looked good...only thing about this is I don't QUITE particularly think BC was being aggressive"

to having Artanis as "probably scum" and:

Show nested quote +
On May 25 2019 00:18 Conversion wrote:
man how are there 23+ pages since I last left!

and why are people off scum again! did Artanis prove himself town somehow?


Where did this confidence in mafia!Artanis come from? This post would suggest he wasn't aware of anything Artanis had posted in the meantime.

Then Conversion talks a bunch about iGrok and how bad he looks. But still wants Artanis dead more. Not entirely clear whether he thinks both could be mafia or whatnot. This post stood out to me as scummy because of how inconclusive it is:

Show nested quote +
On May 25 2019 01:07 Conversion wrote:
is that mafia!iGrok flailing since he knows Artanis is his scumbuddy, and trying to force a lynch onto someone else? but why would mafia!Grok try to lynch someone he deems is unlynchable by his own words, and is attempting to distance himself from his scumbuddy Artanis?


He proposes some explanations for why mafia!iGrok is doing what he is doing. Seems to think both Artanis/ iGrok are mafia. But his second question poses an idea that seems to dent the mafia iGrok/ Artanis idea. Yet Conversion never really goes anywhere with this.

@Conversion, would you mind giving me the lowdown of your thought process at EOD1 and why you became more certain that Artanis is mafia, please?

(I have read your filter but I am still asking anyway so don't blow me off)





As a side note, Conversion was very skeptical of a mafia Artanis/ BC team because of their weird double OMGUS/ bussing thing.

My two pence on that matter is that a lot of the BC/ Artanis stuff happened when neither of them were under much pressure and their double OMGUS/ scum-read stuff is weird AF. BC's overreaction to Artanis' scum read especially. But I think the best argument against BC/ Artanis is Artanis popping into the thread at EOD1 with a huge case on BC. This was at a time when sentiment was against BC so he could have actually died there. That would be pretty weird for a mafia to do to another mafia when you could've just settled for a ML, lol.




Town MVP goes to:
+ Show Spoiler +

¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Mafia MVP goes to:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mr. Holyflare!
+ Show Spoiler +


Conversion
05-24-2019
09:11 AM ET (US)
wowza! that iGrok momentum. thanks HF!




Case I most agreed with goes to:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mr. Jock!
+ Show Spoiler +

On May 26 2019 06:08 Jockmcplop wrote:
Conversion he's either doing the BC scumpost thing because he hasn't given us an obvious enough scumtell yet or trying to get a reaction.
It looks ridiculous if you read it though lol.

WHY IS EVERYONE POSTING SO MUCH AND WHY ARE THE PEOPLE WHO AREN'T POSTING NOT POSTING AND WHY IS EVERYONE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO MIGHT BE MAFIA ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH




Biggest tilt goes to:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mr. VE!
+ Show Spoiler +

On May 25 2019 04:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
The things Bugs is accusing me of do not make me mafia.




Post that aged the worst goes to:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mr. Bugs!
+ Show Spoiler +

On May 26 2019 09:35 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2019 09:34 iGrok wrote:
I already switched to Artanis, obviously Hf isn’t happening


well you aren't fucking reading Artanis either so you can die.

I think you have to die and see this in postgame to understand how colossally anti-town you're being here.




Congratulations to the mafia team. GG thanks for playing.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
May 31 2019 01:48 GMT
#5308
On May 31 2019 10:46 iGrok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2019 10:00 Holyflare wrote:
Koshi - 320 average per page / 16 words per post
12162

I know Koshi already owned up to this but god-damn.

He's just being efficient.
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