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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 24 2019 12:09 GMT
#3121
Can you bulletpoint me where iGrok did the same Vivax did that game?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 24 2019 12:10 GMT
#3122
I am 100% voting for iGrok if you can do that.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 24 2019 12:11 GMT
#3124
For those who don't know is being talked about this is what happened in that one game:

Vivax called someone mafia.
40 pages later he came and presented the scumread on that said dude, only that everything in his case happened after he had called them mafia....
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 24 2019 12:12 GMT
#3127
On May 24 2019 21:10 Calix wrote:
I tried killing you yesterday. It did nothing.

Youre right you probably did.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 24 2019 12:17 GMT
#3130
On May 24 2019 21:15 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2019 21:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 24 2019 21:10 Calix wrote:
I tried killing you yesterday. It did nothing.

Youre right you probably did.


Ya got me, I shot the PC claim who is doing jack shit

Rayn 2 gud 4 me.

we'll see about that after game. at least i didn't participate that bad lynch on D1.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 24 2019 12:22 GMT
#3133
good chat. ends here.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 24 2019 12:24 GMT
#3136
On May 24 2019 21:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
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On May 24 2019 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
At least i didn't read your iGrok case HF. I am sure it is logically sound and can be even good, i just dont believe iGrok does what he did as mafia by eod1.

Factor in iGrok was already under heavy scrutiny for "not doing anything all D1", could mafia iGrok have been like "Surely they'll accept this as an acceptable amount of contribution regardless of its veracity!"

maybe, i just dont think THAT is what mafia!iGrok comes up with.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 24 2019 12:25 GMT
#3137
On May 24 2019 21:24 Calix wrote:
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On May 24 2019 21:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
good chat. ends here.


You'll see that quote again later. It's scummy for the same reason iGrok's response to HF is scummy. He doesn't think HF is mafia and you don't think I'm mafia either.

maybe you just lack reading comprehension or more likely like to twist things into your narrative.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 24 2019 12:27 GMT
#3138
well not really reading comprehension, sarcasm
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 24 2019 12:34 GMT
#3146
On May 24 2019 21:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
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On May 24 2019 21:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 24 2019 21:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 24 2019 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
At least i didn't read your iGrok case HF. I am sure it is logically sound and can be even good, i just dont believe iGrok does what he did as mafia by eod1.

Factor in iGrok was already under heavy scrutiny for "not doing anything all D1", could mafia iGrok have been like "Surely they'll accept this as an acceptable amount of contribution regardless of its veracity!"

maybe, i just dont think THAT is what mafia!iGrok comes up with.

You seem pretty sure about it, is there a reason why not THAT specifically? I mean if it's wrong its not like he put a crapload of thought or effort in right?

Can you answer me what's the point of doing that unless Calix is mafia? My opinion is there is no point because with the amount of irl-stuff he has why put so much effort into voting between two townies (HF being mafia with him makes even less sense)?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 24 2019 12:36 GMT
#3147
On May 24 2019 21:30 Calix wrote:
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On May 24 2019 21:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
well not really reading comprehension, sarcasm


That's your defense? There is no way that 'at least I didn't take part in this ML' looks like sarcasm, lol.

good case you should push it.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 24 2019 12:41 GMT
#3150
no
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 24 2019 12:47 GMT
#3159
VE:
On May 22 2019 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
here is what conversion did last night:

iGrok has his stupid (sorry man it was stupid) propositional calculus case.
Conv says he has read iGrok's post, and says he will go read HF and Calix
Instead of reading HF and Calix he takes part into "proving" iGrok's "case"
Then he ends up reading ruxxar and votes for him.

On May 22 2019 23:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not honestly too interested in Artanis atm, Calix and then probably Conversion need to die, then figure out which one of BC/Artanis/iGrok is mafia.

On May 23 2019 23:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On May 23 2019 22:55 Conversion wrote:
I also did not call VE mafia, not sure where you're getting that from. I was specifically responding to Calix asking me about the VE/Artanis/BC/Calix stuff, and I was saying that if there was mafia in the 4, I can narrow it to three because I believe Calix is town.

I got it from this post:
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On May 23 2019 22:36 Conversion wrote:
On May 23 2019 22:29 Calix wrote:
I also agree that Conversion's post reads as extremely townie for his frustration over his efforts largely being ignored...as opposed to him being okay that most people don't really care about him. The latter IS an ideal situation for mafia, after all.

Don't think it's helpful to discuss this 'game' or whatever though. Conversion, have disformation/ Koshi done anything to change your reads of them? And what do you make of the whole BC/ VE/ Calix/ Artanis situation?

[...]
On the opinion on BC/VE/Calix/Artanis, I'm inclined to believe there is scum in there. If I'm going by my current reads (I honestly think you are town, not sure where this Calix mafia stuff is coming from), it'd be BC/VE/Artanis, so they'll be my focus today.

Because your answer is very subtle. If you don't think one or more of those people are mafia, then idk why you word your post like this.

I mean:

Calix: what do you make of the whole BC/ VE/ Calix/ Artanis situation?
Conv: I'm inclined to believe there is scum in there. If I'm going by my current reads it'd be BC/VE/Artanis.

I dont think this looks natural at all, regardless of what you think about Calix.


On May 23 2019 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
reiteratating:

she asks you for reads
you say basically nothing
everyone lives happily ever after

On May 23 2019 22:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On May 23 2019 22:15 Conversion wrote:
On May 23 2019 21:00 Holyflare wrote:
On May 23 2019 18:49 Koshi wrote:
Can somebody explain to me why the thread now thibks conversion is mafia? I saw rayn put it in the thread and after that he dropped on both HF and VE townlist by more than he should.


I don't think he's dropped through actions really, just by poe and the fact I've not entirely liked what he's been up to. He has no focus on me which is something I think he'd be doing as town (afraid as mafia maybe? Bit of a stretch) and he's kind of in a weird tangential place not playing the same game as other people.


I'm just gonna address this here and now, whether that's for you or anyone else:

I am ignoring everyone that doesn't do anything memorable to me, and I'm spending like the maximum that I can on this game without going insane, because in the past when I tried my hardest I'd just get flamed and that usually devolved into shitfights with people. It almost happened with Jock this game (sorry for being a flamer Jock!).

also doesn't help that when I case something people barely have opinions on it and don't engage me. They just tell me I'm doing well, or that I'm wrong, and that's it. I'm not going to flame people to get my opinions heard, and if people aren't going to engage me on shit (especially when I thought I made two good cases and there was like 3 responses to it), it just demotivates me from my game.

In fact, the only one who really engaged me this entire game are like Bugs, Calix, and Jock-- which is why I'm inclined to believe they are town rather than every one speaking around me like I don't exist

tl;dr

I don't want to play like I normally do (flaming everyone that scumreads me, flaming my scumreads, modkilling myself because I'm pissed off), but damn is it demotivating to have people just speak around you

I tried reading your case on Koshi but i stopped because i felt like it didn't really go anywhere. Can you summarize some key points in it if you want to be listened? It's not like mafia slips in every post of theirs and i dont really understand why you focus so much on his meta when i think his meta this game clearly says he is town.

I also have no idea why you participated that dumb iGrok thing D1. It was dumb and i think you should know that. I also don't know why you scumread VE because regardless of what VE ever wrote or what you wrote on him he is like Conversion just 5 years earlier and i think you should recognize same town!attributes (that i agree are not uselful but most people still do them) you just described you don't want to get into yourself in this game.

On May 24 2019 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
At least i didn't read your iGrok case HF. I am sure it is logically sound and can be even good, i just dont believe iGrok does what he did as mafia by eod1. Assuming you're town (you probably should do that if you are town) and knowing ruxxar is town there is simply no reason why he should make a stupid propositional calculus "testimony" about HF/ruxxar/Calix, one that is even wrong lol when he can just take a stance between those three players (or rather Calix/ruxxar) and vote for a townie. I say vote for a townie because in my eyes iGrok did that as scum ONLY in case calix is mafia, it's the only scenario that makes sense (even if you were mafia with iGrok it doesn't make sense to me) and in my opinion it definitely shouldn't make sense to you otherwise.

I still hate that Conversion participated in that shit and i think it makes him mafia.

In addition to what i have said about calix is this:
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On May 24 2019 06:44 Calix wrote:
IMO rayn was posting a lot of bullshit. Like the meta thing which literally does not make me anything but which is the basis for his SUPER STRONG scum read, lmao. Or his interactions with Conversion where he somehow missed me saying 'look forward to seeing what you come up with, Conversion' to push a terrible Calix/ Conversion team.

[...]

I'm not gonna go ham on rayn though. It doesn't make sense to kill him today given how the chat's been going and there are better mafia to murder.

I don't believe this is what town!Calix does if she is quite certain i am mafia. I also have no idea what the last sentence even is lol...

I dont know what Artanis is, could be mafia could be town.


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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 24 2019 12:49 GMT
#3160
On May 24 2019 21:44 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2019 21:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 24 2019 21:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 24 2019 21:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 24 2019 21:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 24 2019 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
At least i didn't read your iGrok case HF. I am sure it is logically sound and can be even good, i just dont believe iGrok does what he did as mafia by eod1.

Factor in iGrok was already under heavy scrutiny for "not doing anything all D1", could mafia iGrok have been like "Surely they'll accept this as an acceptable amount of contribution regardless of its veracity!"

maybe, i just dont think THAT is what mafia!iGrok comes up with.

You seem pretty sure about it, is there a reason why not THAT specifically? I mean if it's wrong its not like he put a crapload of thought or effort in right?

Can you answer me what's the point of doing that unless Calix is mafia? My opinion is there is no point because with the amount of irl-stuff he has why put so much effort into voting between two townies (HF being mafia with him makes even less sense)?



but... you think calix is mafia.............?

are you stupid? no, why are you being stupid? like wtf this is not how it works.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 24 2019 12:49 GMT
#3162
Like you're fucking telling me i should vote for iGrok because my top scumread flipping scum might make him mafia???????
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 24 2019 12:50 GMT
#3163
And where is this "comparable to Vivax in Titanic" - thing?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 24 2019 12:55 GMT
#3173
On May 24 2019 21:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
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On May 24 2019 21:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like you're fucking telling me i should vote for iGrok because my top scumread flipping scum might make him mafia???????

I'm not trying to argue you should vote for anyone bby, calm down. I'm playing devil's advocate like I've done all game.

that was for HF.
On May 24 2019 21:52 Holyflare wrote:
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On May 24 2019 21:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And where is this "comparable to Vivax in Titanic" - thing?


He has scum red VE for things he did in the early game but VE never came up in any read list as being mafia and in fact, iGrok said there were + points for VE (the meta on you and bugs and finding something nobody else did). Now you look at the image and see he has coloured things earlier than his read list as red!

that's not the same thing and doesnt ACTUALLY prove he is mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 24 2019 12:59 GMT
#3184
On May 24 2019 21:52 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2019 21:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And where is this "comparable to Vivax in Titanic" - thing?


(1)He has scum red VE for things he did in the early game but (2)VE never came up in any read list as being mafia and (3)in fact, iGrok said there were + points for VE (the meta on you and bugs and finding something nobody else did). Now you look at the image and see he has coloured things earlier than his read list as red!

Why is (2) impossible as town if (1) and (3)?

If you point me out to a case iGrok has made on VE that iGrok has made AFTER all (1),(2),(3) happened, that has only reasons before (1),(2),(3) then you have a case based on this. I will give you that.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 24 2019 13:03 GMT
#3189
Are you thinking iGrok scumread VE for the summary he gave on him?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
May 24 2019 13:03 GMT
#3190
wait i thought that was your image. also i cant see what's in it because the text is too small..
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