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On May 07 2019 11:53 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm still reading Bugs.
His filter is coaching Jock on day 1 into hard-core meta defense of Pandain into saying that HF was the leader of the town into saying that HF was scum for not being aggressive enough into attacking me for not posting a reads list when everyone else was attacking me.
I'd say that's a pretty accurate summation, you're leaving out a pretty bit shit fight with rayn.
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On May 07 2019 11:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
That paranoid shit at this point in the game with so much actual content....I just don't see it.
MZ/Slam - What do you make of the fact that Pandain was among the few voices trying to draw attention to Koshi at an important time, after the GF had flipped?
On May 07 2019 11:43 VisceraEyes wrote:Like yes, Pandain said Koshi was super strong town that one time, but then look at all of this, AFTER the GF flipped... + Show Spoiler [There's quite a bit] +On May 05 2019 05:07 Pandain wrote:
Yes time to go into lurkers. Almost certain last two scum is within slam, koshi, FF, and MZ On May 05 2019 22:26 Pandain wrote:
Koshi is also a great lynch as well. Completely useless filter and hasn't pushed anyone ever. Has commented on some posts and that's it. On May 05 2019 22:48 Pandain wrote:It's just even if he's busy his posts just are complete trash. Compare them with last couple times he's been town. tl.nettl.netIn comparison, it's a lot more like times he's been mafia. tl.nettl.net On May 05 2019 22:49 Pandain wrote:
There's just a complete lack of caring about the game, something that does not at all appear in the two above linked games of him being town, but you can tell in the last two. On May 05 2019 23:11 Pandain wrote:
I want you to just imagine that Koshi plays the exact same for the next three days, and we mislynch twice and lose the game.
Did Koshi ever contribute?
Did Koshi ever push?
Did Koshi ever do anything meaningful?
And if the answer is no, is that what you expect from town yoshi, as demonstrated above?
I'm just sayin. There's bussing a teammate, and then there's bussing an entire team. In an atmosphere where there's A) innocent child townies, and B) blocs of townies voting together. And Pandain is ACTIVE and WATCHING it all, so it's not like he's ignorant of what's happening in the thread. Can we please address this before any more votes on Pandain?
On May 07 2019 11:43 VisceraEyes wrote:Like yes, Pandain said Koshi was super strong town that one time, but then look at all of this, AFTER the GF flipped... + Show Spoiler [There's quite a bit] +On May 05 2019 05:07 Pandain wrote:
Yes time to go into lurkers. Almost certain last two scum is within slam, koshi, FF, and MZ On May 05 2019 22:26 Pandain wrote:
Koshi is also a great lynch as well. Completely useless filter and hasn't pushed anyone ever. Has commented on some posts and that's it. On May 05 2019 22:48 Pandain wrote:It's just even if he's busy his posts just are complete trash. Compare them with last couple times he's been town. tl.nettl.netIn comparison, it's a lot more like times he's been mafia. tl.nettl.net On May 05 2019 22:49 Pandain wrote:
There's just a complete lack of caring about the game, something that does not at all appear in the two above linked games of him being town, but you can tell in the last two. On May 05 2019 23:11 Pandain wrote:
I want you to just imagine that Koshi plays the exact same for the next three days, and we mislynch twice and lose the game.
Did Koshi ever contribute?
Did Koshi ever push?
Did Koshi ever do anything meaningful?
And if the answer is no, is that what you expect from town yoshi, as demonstrated above?
I'm just sayin. There's bussing a teammate, and then there's bussing an entire team. In an atmosphere where there's A) innocent child townies, and B) blocs of townies voting together. And Pandain is ACTIVE and WATCHING it all, so it's not like he's ignorant of what's happening in the thread. Can we please address this before any more votes on Pandain?
I said I'd allow it, not that I'd endorse it. I'd like anyone voting Pandain to answer these points.
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On May 07 2019 11:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like you are ALL alive on that list EXCEPT for Koshi (because of me). And Pandain CHOSE KOSHI to push, instead of you all. You're telling me that you think that Pandain CHOSE to push Koshi, the roleblocker, as a ploy to get to this moment in time? WITHOUT THE KNOWLEDGE THAT I WAS SHOOTING KOSHI TONIGHT SO HE COULD CAPITALIZE ON ALL OF IT?!?!?!?!?!
This was supposed to be the third post in that quote wall.
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oh right, I'ma swap back to mz tbh, then slam then grack and we've won by the end?
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On May 07 2019 11:57 Fecalfeast wrote:
oh right, I'ma swap back to mz tbh, then slam then grack and we've won by the end?
Surely.
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And actually, I'm not 100% on the order, I want discussion on how to proceed. I just think MZ the best option right now based on what's in the thread and what I've observed.
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why not slam?
also
On May 07 2019 11:50 Fecalfeast wrote:
VE is mafia vig kills his own roleblocker and tries super hard all game to sit on a throne of garbage as he claims MVP in a game with 2 modkills one being scum, a replacement, and a lynched town veteran. Not to mention slam and fecalfeast
Solved game
If this is true I'm still going to be impressed 
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If there were a Mafia Vig in the setup I might indulge your fantasy a bit, but the OP is explicit
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unless koshi asked you to do it because he didn't want to play then I will be unimpressed
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On May 07 2019 12:00 VisceraEyes wrote:If there were a Mafia Vig in the setup I might indulge your fantasy a bit, but the OP is explicit
lol
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Re: Slam, the only thing is the thread sentiment regarding the replacement - I think it has to do with Slam replacing iGrok at the same time as Vivax getting modkilled.
Honestly that's what I'm saying, I don't really have a super convincing reason it's NOT Slam, I'm all ears.
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MZ would you be willing to consider Slam instead of Pandain?
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On May 07 2019 11:53 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm still reading Bugs.
His filter is coaching Jock on day 1 into hard-core meta defense of Pandain into saying that HF was the leader of the town into saying that HF was scum for not being aggressive enough into attacking me for not posting a reads list when everyone else was attacking me.
The only real reason I have for hard townreading bugs is that rayn had him #2 on his list and koshi wanted to emulate that list.
However looking back on how little koshi did to accomplish that goal it's not that great if you think about it.
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On May 07 2019 12:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
Re: Slam, the only thing is the thread sentiment regarding the replacement - I think it has to do with Slam replacing iGrok at the same time as Vivax getting modkilled.
Honestly that's what I'm saying, I don't really have a super convincing reason it's NOT Slam, I'm all ears.
Well actually what I mean is
On May 07 2019 11:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
And actually, I'm not 100% on the order, I want discussion on how to proceed. I just think MZ the best option right now based on what's in the thread and what I've observed.
What have you observed and what's in the thread that makes you think MZ is better than slam
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On May 07 2019 12:06 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2019 12:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
Re: Slam, the only thing is the thread sentiment regarding the replacement - I think it has to do with Slam replacing iGrok at the same time as Vivax getting modkilled.
Honestly that's what I'm saying, I don't really have a super convincing reason it's NOT Slam, I'm all ears. Well actually what I mean is Show nested quote +On May 07 2019 11:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
And actually, I'm not 100% on the order, I want discussion on how to proceed. I just think MZ the best option right now based on what's in the thread and what I've observed. What have you observed and what's in the thread that makes you think MZ is better than slam
Ya not 100 tho
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there was meant to be a ? at the end of that like.. specifically what makes you think MZ is scummier than slam
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Recently I posted.
On May 07 2019 11:14 VisceraEyes wrote:Hey Bugs remember this interaction on D1? It was just after the pile-on to Jock had started, EARLY in D1. Of note, he never voted, but it was a blatent enough to warrant Bugs mentioning it. Show nested quote +On May 01 2019 01:50 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 01 2019 01:27 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 01 2019 01:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Suddenly even happier with my decision. Yeah vote me first. Why not? I already have a low enough of opinion of tl.net. First game - mafia - failed to spot it Second game - town - dead first night Third game... you get the picture. I guess I'm a wildcard since I have no meta for you guys to rely on. If you just vote for me you're justified cos I'm new and it saves having to look for scum. I'm not mafia by the way. I mean talking about how boring you are does nothing to help find scum and then you complain about the site playstyle? Your martyring is not really a good look 12 hours and 3 pages into a game Show nested quote +On May 01 2019 01:59 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 01 2019 01:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
MZ smelling blood in the water ![[image loading]](https://worldwideinterweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/funny-surfing-pics.jpg) I would categorize all of the following posts as cheerleading the Jock lynch (while simultaneously trying to find another lynch.) Show nested quote +On May 01 2019 09:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 01 2019 09:06 Holyflare wrote:
What I got from Jock's mindset in his first mafia game is that he was afraid in the qt whenever someone called him out. He's used that, and the advice people gave him of "don't care what people say if they call you mafia" and gone to the other extreme scale of being bratty when called out. I'd associate that more with being new and mafia than Jock as town being lost on what to say. Especially with the insults to TL as a whole. I was just rereading Jock in End of the World because he screamed town that game to me but ended up being red. I mean look here: On March 02 2019 10:16 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 02 2019 10:11 Fecalfeast wrote:On March 02 2019 10:09 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 02 2019 10:08 Fecalfeast wrote:
Vote me for mayor. I will be the arbiter of truth and justice I'm sorry but your username would bring the office into disrepute. Surely you jest. I am a well respected member of the community at large. Discrimination and prejudice based on choice of moniker disreputable in and of itself. 99% of my comments are in jest. Jesters are important as they remind kings and nobility of their mortality, fallibility and humanity. Kings fart just the same as the rest of us. This sort of disarming humor type stuff as well as polite questions and well written accusations is how I'd characterize his first game. His second game was similar except with fewer analysis posts. His thread entrance to this game was very jarring and different from both his scum and his town games thus far. The worst part is that it seems like he's trying to bait out the meta read with this comment: On May 01 2019 01:27 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 01 2019 01:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Suddenly even happier with my decision. Yeah vote me first. Why not? I already have a low enough of opinion of tl.net. First game - mafia - failed to spot it Second game - town - dead first night Third game... you get the picture. I guess I'm a wildcard since I have no meta for you guys to rely on. If you just vote for me you're justified cos I'm new and it saves having to look for scum. I'm not mafia by the way. It reads like he knows he's playing different and is daring people to scum read him for it. If he hadn't played so similarly in his first two games despite being different alignments I'd be more willing to read his current stance as combative townie who isn't afraid of the spotlight but after looking at his two previous games and his own self aware jab at meta reads I'm more inclined to think he's scum trying to hide behind bravado. Show nested quote +On May 01 2019 09:25 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 01 2019 09:17 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 01 2019 02:37 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 01 2019 02:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm going to bed and will be back in 7-8 hours. If anyone reads this and wants my opinion later, feel free to ask. Same goes if you're feeling like the game is going slowly; let's discuss what we want to do about it, or at least the minimum we've seen so far. We don't have enough participation yet for D1 to go well IMO, and it's not easy to convince absentees nor is it easy to get scum out talking if town isn't either. Yeah I've got a question - is your resistance to the Jock lynch intentional or circumstantial? Like, I get that you're suspicious of MZ or whatever, but you say MZ "smells blood in the water", does that imply that you think Jock is town? I'm 99% sure at this point if I do absolutely nothing to push a different lynch, Jock will continue to get suspicion and probably die. I'm giving him outs and the benefit of the doubt because I'm not confident he's scum. Honestly to me the weirdest thing he's done so far has been his last exit: I gotta go to band practice I'll be back in a few hours Only for him to never come back. It's what, 1 am in the UK? So we can't really expect him to come back and defend himself any time soon. Anyway, my opinion has always been that having a single wagon on day 1 is rarely good. No need for me to contribute to that if I see something better, anyway. Completely agree having single wagons D1 is bad. I obviously am currently standing with the Jock suspicions crowd but what other names should we be considering? Me? What do you think of Grack voting Rels, is that another avenue worth exploring?
Also what you pointed out in the moment on D2.
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oh you did post that recently 
Yeah ok
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Ok realistically I think there are only a few people that would ever night kill BC. Me/WBG/MZ
Me because he was scum reading me earlier and WBG/MZ because they are old-timey players with a lot of respect for BC's play.
I don't see Slam or FF making that NK choice.
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