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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 02 2019 23:30 GMT
#681
if he retracts his claim we should just lynch him to get rid of the possibility he's scum
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 02 2019 23:31 GMT
#682
On May 03 2019 08:30 Grackaroni wrote:
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On May 03 2019 08:28 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 03 2019 08:25 Grackaroni wrote:
On May 03 2019 08:23 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 03 2019 08:22 Grackaroni wrote:
lol one time he fake claimed a check as the real cop.

So we lynched a townie and then lynched him as the cop.


who do you think is scum here?

What do you think of BC talking with Rayn before deadline but not being here now?

I think scum is just in MZ/FF/Rels with an off chance of HF.


what about koshi?

I got a good feel from him earlier when he was spamming posts but he needs to pick up his game too. Sheeping his vote based on Rayn is shitty.


you saw he claimed vig?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
May 02 2019 23:32 GMT
#683
On May 03 2019 08:31 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2019 08:30 Grackaroni wrote:
On May 03 2019 08:28 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 03 2019 08:25 Grackaroni wrote:
On May 03 2019 08:23 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 03 2019 08:22 Grackaroni wrote:
lol one time he fake claimed a check as the real cop.

So we lynched a townie and then lynched him as the cop.


who do you think is scum here?

What do you think of BC talking with Rayn before deadline but not being here now?

I think scum is just in MZ/FF/Rels with an off chance of HF.


what about koshi?

I got a good feel from him earlier when he was spamming posts but he needs to pick up his game too. Sheeping his vote based on Rayn is shitty.


you saw he claimed vig?

Yeah I think that was similar to Rayn claiming veteran. People do a lot of things like that at night these days.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 02 2019 23:34 GMT
#684
On May 03 2019 08:32 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2019 08:31 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 03 2019 08:30 Grackaroni wrote:
On May 03 2019 08:28 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 03 2019 08:25 Grackaroni wrote:
On May 03 2019 08:23 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 03 2019 08:22 Grackaroni wrote:
lol one time he fake claimed a check as the real cop.

So we lynched a townie and then lynched him as the cop.


who do you think is scum here?

What do you think of BC talking with Rayn before deadline but not being here now?

I think scum is just in MZ/FF/Rels with an off chance of HF.


what about koshi?

I got a good feel from him earlier when he was spamming posts but he needs to pick up his game too. Sheeping his vote based on Rayn is shitty.


you saw he claimed vig?

Yeah I think that was similar to Rayn claiming veteran. People do a lot of things like that at night these days.


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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
May 02 2019 23:35 GMT
#685
lmao.

If he's actually vig then he can claim it and he was probably roleblocked shooting FF, but it makes no sense to claim before shooting as the actual vig when you will just get roleblocked if you aren't shooting town.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 02 2019 23:37 GMT
#686
On May 03 2019 08:35 Grackaroni wrote:
lmao.

If he's actually vig then he can claim it and he was probably roleblocked shooting FF, but it makes no sense to claim before shooting as the actual vig when you will just get roleblocked if you aren't shooting town.


agreed, but I've witnessed people do far dumber.

What are your thoughts on Pandain?

And why do you townread BC?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 02 2019 23:39 GMT
#687
On May 03 2019 05:52 Alakaslam wrote:
WAS RAYN ON THE RIGHT TRACK??!?


you here? have you caught up on the game?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
May 02 2019 23:45 GMT
#688
I'm going to take another look at Pandain.

BC's entry feels really townie to me.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 03 2019 00:07 GMT
#689
VE come back.

I've read through a bit of Pandain's early game from Fibonacci and I think it matches well here, both in tone and in terms of what he tried to get done in both games.

On tone, he's always really hedgy/self-aware and I didn't see this in some scum games I read, although those scum games are old, AFAIK. Emphasis mine:

On April 07 2019 20:29 Pandain wrote:
I'm actually happy I was busy because the discussion on me helped make the thread alive and was very useful. I mean, I'm going to be honest, I'm 100% a lurker at this point with only a short paragraph as a post.

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On April 07 2019 08:46 Holyflare wrote:
On April 07 2019 04:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On April 06 2019 10:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 06 2019 10:53 Holyflare wrote:
Am I the only one that is just fucking town and not a faction?????


I am town but i have some win conditions i have no way of knowing how to achieve them so idc.
I believe i am town because it says so in my role pm.

Ohhh another confirmed town. Dank


This is the post that Pandain +1d by the way.

"I am town with win conditions"

mz auto towns rayn for it even though like 8 other people have said the same thing

pandain doesn't even realise and just blindly agrees


This is my fault for not explaining, I should have explained more.
It's not at all that they claimed they have win conditions which make me think rayne and TW are town. It's what they posted that demonstrates a town mentality.

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On April 06 2019 10:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 06 2019 10:53 Holyflare wrote:
Am I the only one that is just fucking town and not a faction?????


I am town but i have some win conditions i have no way of knowing how to achieve them so idc.
I believe i am town because it says so in my role pm.


It's not the win condition part but rather the above bolded sentence. It strikes me as a townie who has an actual role that he's seriously thinking about and contemplating.

I would actually agree that if you have an alternate win condition you're likely not mafia (but maybe! not certain at all!). The fact that this post seems very genuine makes me think he's telling the truth.


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On April 06 2019 09:39 Tumblewood wrote:
i actually have a sneaking suspicion that a certain person mentioned in my role is mafia


Same reasoning for this post. If I was mafia I don't think I would be thinking about my role pm in this way. If I was mafia maybe I write "haha my role pm is weird" or "i have win condition" or speculate about the setup. But the ambiguity of this post and the way he wrote about it "i wonder if this guy in my role pm is mafia" seems a little bit out of left park for mafia.

Typing it out makes it seem like a bit of a crapshoot but to be honest that's all day one anyway. All of these reads will change as days actually progress, but this is what I feel right now.

This all is hard to explain but it's what I feel. I hope it made some sense to some people.


He also talks about mindset contradictions like he does in this game. This might not be a big tell but IMO it's rare that scum will focus on behaviour like that.

On April 07 2019 20:33 Pandain wrote:
I'm going to vote Mig. I don't have the hours for this day cycle to examine absolutely everyone (though I will go through MZ and damdred and palmar based on discussion), but Mig really stood out to me.


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On April 06 2019 13:43 Mig wrote:
Hi I am here

VE shadiest to me so far. Comes in and feels the need to let us know he has reads but he isnt ready to post any of them yet. Asks slam a close to pointless question and just snap agrees with him, makes an early activity excuse and makes some easy setup speculation posts. So touches of guilty conscience posts + fake activity without actually looking for mafia.

VE have enough people posted for you to share your reads yet? And if so what are they? Majority of the players have posted by now.

@holyflare why is FF in your town circle? Nothing he has posted seems towny to me. Especially his post about LS always looking mafia to him but then flipping to saying I guess you are towny enough, feels off to me.

Grack/sentinel/jockm/ksc/ff all useless so far. Slam I have no clue.

disfos post about having to read his pm 5 times felt townie to me for some reason.


Like other's said - an extremely safe post. Not bad in of itself but not good either.

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On April 06 2019 14:11 Mig wrote:
Theres 15 pages of content, thats not enough for you to have any ideas? Its hard to find mafia day1 but there is plenty of content to at least have some ideas.


Then this seemed extremely contradictory. Mig literally has done nothing this game except the above empty post and ask a couple people some questions. I think whenever someone is an obvious mindset contradiction like this it reeks of mafia.


Then, compare how his vote aligns with his thoughts as written in the thread. In this game as well, Pandain often went on about how he was fine with Jock being the lynch but he was pursuing other targets. He did that there as well:

On April 07 2019 22:30 Pandain wrote:
I just read MZ. I agree it looks contradictory. I don't think it's a bad lynch but I'll keep my vote on Mig for the time being.


From that point he tried to get a last minute wagon going and failed (?)

There aren't many posts if any after that worth reading because the game was themed and it becomes too setup-focused. I agree that there's probably not much useful signal beyond the early game.

Since we seem to have come to opposite conclusions, why? Do you think because you were scum last game your opinion was a bit tainted by the fact that you had more info than you should've? I'm just not seeing why he doesn't look similar here to you.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
May 03 2019 00:34 GMT
#690
I explained it before - he was active in trying to respond to people and actively questioning people last game, it's littered through his filter there, and it's lacking here.

The fact that you found the word "contradictory" in both filters simply isn't interesting to me.

Yes, obviously it's possible that my view was tainted because I had information, but I'm discussing objective observations made when looking at the two filters in /this/ game where I'm town. I really don't want to quote wall but I will bugs, I'll fucking do it.

And yes, I'm aware that there's going to be a fair amount of confirmation bias going forward due to my read of him and then him coming in with that BULLSHIT after the day post.

Whatever I'll turn in my townie card if I'm wrong.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 03 2019 00:34 GMT
#691
On May 02 2019 06:05 Fecalfeast wrote:
I accept the shot on me as I'm not a role I will play this next phase though i swear


let's play, FF.

Who's scum? You can assume both me and HF are town for this exercise.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
May 03 2019 00:34 GMT
#692
Just kidding I'm not beyond convincing - I just need to look at other people is the problem. I'm trying to parse BC right now.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 03 2019 00:37 GMT
#693
On May 03 2019 09:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
I explained it before - he was active in trying to respond to people and actively questioning people last game, it's littered through his filter there, and it's lacking here.

The fact that you found the word "contradictory" in both filters simply isn't interesting to me.

Yes, obviously it's possible that my view was tainted because I had information, but I'm discussing objective observations made when looking at the two filters in /this/ game where I'm town. I really don't want to quote wall but I will bugs, I'll fucking do it.

And yes, I'm aware that there's going to be a fair amount of confirmation bias going forward due to my read of him and then him coming in with that BULLSHIT after the day post.

Whatever I'll turn in my townie card if I'm wrong.


fair enough, I agree that Pandain hasn't actually done much of use in this game, even though a lot of the hedging is due to apparently not having enough info. I personally didn't read into the absence much because the game is low activity already and it's hard to just be like "oh yeah I don't believe the RL reasons you provided for not being here"

Do you think he's the best lynch? What are the alternatives on your mind?
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
May 03 2019 00:37 GMT
#694
On May 03 2019 08:14 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2019 07:58 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 03 2019 07:54 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 03 2019 07:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm fine lynching with HFs claim.

I need to think more about VE's Pandain push. I very much hate when players come in and try to claim towncred for stuff they weren't responsible for so I'm finding myself agreeing with a lot of what VE was saying.

However if HF's redcheck is real it makes it look like VE was trying to chainsaw defend Bugs.


do you have any real opinions?

Do you?

I think Pandain's post N1 stuff looks terrible.
I was liking what HF posted before he even claimed a check on you so that was just a warm fuzzy.

VE is almost always town, however the Pandain push is going to look very suspect if you flip red.

I feel like that was pretty obvious from my post. If you want more opinions on individuals you'll have to wait until I've filtered people. If you have anyone you'd like me to address first just let me know.


from my standpoint and the knowledge I have this is a post that manages to say absolutely nothing.

"I was liking what HF posted" -> cool, if you're scum you already have the knowledge that HF is town

"VE is almost always town" why? slides into hypothetical about VE if I flip scum -> knows that this will never happen so it's a completely empty thing to say

MZ is setting up a lynch on Pandain after I flip here with this post.

Back when VE started playing, I pushed for his mislynch a lot for behavior that he's displaying right now, after I played with him more I realized that's just how he plays town. So I have a town read on him. I hated Pandain's post flip stuff as we've already been over, however we were in the middle of discussing you vs HF when VE popped in with the posts about Pandain. I even agree with VE on the content there, however if you flip scum (which I'm fairly sure you will) it looks like VE made an out of character chainsaw defense of you before HF claimed.

However its your last little line which caught my attention, what do you mean by setting up a lynch? First off I have zero thread pull so suggesting I'm going to get someone lynched is hysterical. Secondly, you have talked about Pandain probably more than any other player in this game, you've gone from town reading him, to calling him scum, to calling him town, to listing him in your "possibles" category and with your last post you seem completely confused with him. All that is to say, why do you have an issue with me reading Pandain as scummy when you have literally done that twice or three times yourself?
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
May 03 2019 00:38 GMT
#695
On May 03 2019 09:37 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2019 09:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
I explained it before - he was active in trying to respond to people and actively questioning people last game, it's littered through his filter there, and it's lacking here.

The fact that you found the word "contradictory" in both filters simply isn't interesting to me.

Yes, obviously it's possible that my view was tainted because I had information, but I'm discussing objective observations made when looking at the two filters in /this/ game where I'm town. I really don't want to quote wall but I will bugs, I'll fucking do it.

And yes, I'm aware that there's going to be a fair amount of confirmation bias going forward due to my read of him and then him coming in with that BULLSHIT after the day post.

Whatever I'll turn in my townie card if I'm wrong.


fair enough, I agree that Pandain hasn't actually done much of use in this game, even though a lot of the hedging is due to apparently not having enough info. I personally didn't read into the absence much because the game is low activity already and it's hard to just be like "oh yeah I don't believe the RL reasons you provided for not being here"

Do you think he's the best lynch? What are the alternatives on your mind?

Strictly speaking you're the best lynch.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
May 03 2019 00:40 GMT
#696
On May 03 2019 09:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2019 09:37 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 03 2019 09:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
I explained it before - he was active in trying to respond to people and actively questioning people last game, it's littered through his filter there, and it's lacking here.

The fact that you found the word "contradictory" in both filters simply isn't interesting to me.

Yes, obviously it's possible that my view was tainted because I had information, but I'm discussing objective observations made when looking at the two filters in /this/ game where I'm town. I really don't want to quote wall but I will bugs, I'll fucking do it.

And yes, I'm aware that there's going to be a fair amount of confirmation bias going forward due to my read of him and then him coming in with that BULLSHIT after the day post.

Whatever I'll turn in my townie card if I'm wrong.


fair enough, I agree that Pandain hasn't actually done much of use in this game, even though a lot of the hedging is due to apparently not having enough info. I personally didn't read into the absence much because the game is low activity already and it's hard to just be like "oh yeah I don't believe the RL reasons you provided for not being here"

Do you think he's the best lynch? What are the alternatives on your mind?

Strictly speaking you're the best lynch.


COME ON YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN VE

LOL
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
May 03 2019 00:40 GMT
#697
On May 03 2019 04:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm thinking Pandain/Vivax/killsomelurkers currently. It's hard for me to give a shit about finding "the last" mafia when we've got 2 lynches in the works and everything could change. Pandain my main suspicion, I'm trusting people on Vivax and given my druthers I'd remove MZ and FF before starting in on lurkers.

I changed my mind on you VE, there's now no universe in which I think you're chainsawing Bugs. I also am more certain you're right about Pandain as well.

Who are you liking for scumlurkers (aside from me since I've seen you throw my name around a few times).
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
May 03 2019 00:41 GMT
#698
On May 03 2019 09:34 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2019 06:05 Fecalfeast wrote:
I accept the shot on me as I'm not a role I will play this next phase though i swear


let's play, FF.

Who's scum? You can assume both me and HF are town for this exercise.

Why would I assume you are town you've been red checked

I'd probably say rels because he's mia and seeing that vivax was going to not play he probably screwed off himself
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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
May 03 2019 00:42 GMT
#699
On May 03 2019 09:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2019 08:14 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 03 2019 07:58 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 03 2019 07:54 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 03 2019 07:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm fine lynching with HFs claim.

I need to think more about VE's Pandain push. I very much hate when players come in and try to claim towncred for stuff they weren't responsible for so I'm finding myself agreeing with a lot of what VE was saying.

However if HF's redcheck is real it makes it look like VE was trying to chainsaw defend Bugs.


do you have any real opinions?

Do you?

I think Pandain's post N1 stuff looks terrible.
I was liking what HF posted before he even claimed a check on you so that was just a warm fuzzy.

VE is almost always town, however the Pandain push is going to look very suspect if you flip red.

I feel like that was pretty obvious from my post. If you want more opinions on individuals you'll have to wait until I've filtered people. If you have anyone you'd like me to address first just let me know.


from my standpoint and the knowledge I have this is a post that manages to say absolutely nothing.

"I was liking what HF posted" -> cool, if you're scum you already have the knowledge that HF is town

"VE is almost always town" why? slides into hypothetical about VE if I flip scum -> knows that this will never happen so it's a completely empty thing to say

MZ is setting up a lynch on Pandain after I flip here with this post.

Back when VE started playing, I pushed for his mislynch a lot for behavior that he's displaying right now, after I played with him more I realized that's just how he plays town. So I have a town read on him. I hated Pandain's post flip stuff as we've already been over, however we were in the middle of discussing you vs HF when VE popped in with the posts about Pandain. I even agree with VE on the content there, however if you flip scum (which I'm fairly sure you will) it looks like VE made an out of character chainsaw defense of you before HF claimed.

However its your last little line which caught my attention, what do you mean by setting up a lynch? First off I have zero thread pull so suggesting I'm going to get someone lynched is hysterical. Secondly, you have talked about Pandain probably more than any other player in this game, you've gone from town reading him, to calling him scum, to calling him town, to listing him in your "possibles" category and with your last post you seem completely confused with him. All that is to say, why do you have an issue with me reading Pandain as scummy when you have literally done that twice or three times yourself?

He just means in the dichotomy you're setting up where you're (wrongly) claiming I'm chainsaw defending bugs. From his perspective, when he flips town, anything you said about me and him being buddies and juggling chainsaws is meaningless and Pandain is the lynch, which you'd know if you're mafia...
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
May 03 2019 00:44 GMT
#700
btw I'm interested - what is "the behavior he's exhibiting now" that you would have lynched me for before?

I was insufferable before, and I've been a paragon of towniness this game, so really, do tell.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
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