On March 02 2019 11:13 Jockmcplop wrote: Is it me or is meapak throwing suspicion around without actually trying to get any information? Looks like that is the only story of the last couple of pages
Which posts do you mean here? the stuff about Conversion or LS or earlier?
On March 02 2019 17:14 rsoultin wrote: It means you're doing the things you know I look for when I'm trying to get a read on you, which you've admitted to doing as mafia when I'm in a game. So while it makes me want to townread you I can't be as sure as I'd like to be :/
It's mostly tonal with Trfel. Seems really stiff at the start of the game with LS, even disregarding the smilies. There's a caveat here that I think will work itself out before EoD, though.
Surprise i do things that i do as town as mafia aswell? Fine, i got completely different read on him from the beginning and then he also did a trademark town Trfel thing later.
Also this post bothers me. It's downplaying the fact that he legitimately knows I look for him engaging with people to get reads, and that there are at least two scum games (one where I was probably the town leader and another where there were enough other strong town players that if I went ham on him he'd probably be safe unless they independently scumread him) where he catered his play specifically to how I read him.
In earlier scum games he'd yell at people and it would feel more like rayn against the world.
So this post bothers me because it's a de-escalation that's almost submissive while at the same time trying to downplay something we both know he's done. "Oh, really, as scum I do some of the same things as town?"
And I know I just made a wall of text that means probably nothing to anyone but yeah -_- if anyone wants to know where some of the leeriness is coming from there you go. (Also he hasn't called me scum yet for having different reads than him >>)
Nobody is basing their play around getting a town read from you in a 35 player game.
I feel confident in this so far: Vivax Rayn Jockmcplop
I think that Rayn is reading MZ's posts wrong but I believe that he's actually trying to reason out MZ's motivations for the posts that he makes. I don't think MZ's posts have been scummy.
I think Vivax's posts are very very likely to come from town Vivax.
There is one person that I have a gut feeling is scum but it's not worth getting into yet and I want to see more posts.
On March 02 2019 23:21 Grackaroni wrote: I feel confident in this so far: Vivax Rayn Jockmcplop
I think that Rayn is reading MZ's posts wrong but I believe that he's actually trying to reason out MZ's motivations for the posts that he makes. I don't think MZ's posts have been scummy.
I think Vivax's posts are very very likely to come from town Vivax.
There is one person that I have a gut feeling is scum but it's not worth getting into yet and I want to see more posts.
is that me? what's the point of hiding the name?
The trick is to let other people fill in their guesses and then the person with the most wins the illustrious Grackaroni scum read.
Actually it's just that if I were to say anything right now I wouldn't be able to convince anyone and writing it would just lead to a headache for me and dismissal from other people, but if posts continue as they are closer to the end of the day then I'll probably write a case.
On March 03 2019 06:39 Holyflare wrote: Vote oats.
I mean yeah, it struck me as dead wrong when he said it, too. And you latching onto this makes me even happier about my townread on you, but what makes him scum rather than bad?
What I personally find more curious is he was quoting the voting thread but then his reads didn't seem to have anything to do with people voting?
???????????????????
She's talking about when you quoted all of our votes and called us scum.
On March 03 2019 06:39 Holyflare wrote: Vote oats.
I mean yeah, it struck me as dead wrong when he said it, too. And you latching onto this makes me even happier about my townread on you, but what makes him scum rather than bad?
What I personally find more curious is he was quoting the voting thread but then his reads didn't seem to have anything to do with people voting?
???????????????????
She's talking about when you quoted all of our votes and called us scum.
On March 03 2019 07:50 WaveofShadow wrote: K I've read nothing compelling in 30 pages Carry on
Shhhh. They'll turn on you like they turned on GRACKARONI
I've had it with you being even more useless than Oats.
##vote Grackaroni
You just don't have the patience to wait until 11:11 PM EST
I don't understand why you don't post now. You're very obviously reading along with the thread.
I am but now I'm already drunk and I made myself laugh with my very large font.
Plus the more annoyance that gets addressed to me the more likely I am to dig in further and troll because meh I'm already going to get lynched anyways.
On March 03 2019 07:50 WaveofShadow wrote: K I've read nothing compelling in 30 pages Carry on
Shhhh. They'll turn on you like they turned on GRACKARONI
I've had it with you being even more useless than Oats.
##vote Grackaroni
You just don't have the patience to wait until 11:11 PM EST
I don't understand why you don't post now. You're very obviously reading along with the thread.
I am but now I'm already drunk and I made myself laugh with my very large font.
Plus the more annoyance that gets addressed to me the more likely I am to dig in further and troll because meh I'm already going to get lynched anyways.
i will assume mafia and not change my mind for at least 24 hours
On March 03 2019 07:50 WaveofShadow wrote: K I've read nothing compelling in 30 pages Carry on
Shhhh. They'll turn on you like they turned on GRACKARONI
I've had it with you being even more useless than Oats.
##vote Grackaroni
You just don't have the patience to wait until 11:11 PM EST
I don't understand why you don't post now. You're very obviously reading along with the thread.
I am but now I'm already drunk and I made myself laugh with my very large font.
Plus the more annoyance that gets addressed to me the more likely I am to dig in further and troll because meh I'm already going to get lynched anyways.
i will assume mafia and not change my mind for at least 24 hours
Why?
because that is the most mafia i-give-up shit i have ever seen and i would require sustained play to change my mind
On March 04 2019 00:10 Vivax wrote: HF are you jealous of Palmar or something. Let him be the mayor, you should know yourself enough to know that you act upon the weirdest impulses at EoDs.
Not jealous, no. I see the same guy advocating the same lynch as me yet people jumping on his bandwagon and citing that the reason they're doing it is that they want sentinel mayor lynched like it's some revelation that only Palmar has brought to the thread. That's suspicious.
In the process of catching up now, Palmar's policy lynch on Sentinel was simply a lot more noticeable/forceful than yours.
Why isn’t Palmar, Blazinghand, Rels, onegu, pandain, darthFoley, etc on this list too? Are these that much different than straight policy lynches?
I think he asked this question to make Acro seem scummy for pushing low-content posters, and that conflicts with the way that Tubesock has been playing the game so far.
On March 03 2019 13:47 Tictock wrote: Ok, I came, I saw, I did some things. Seems like ppl are not around so gunna do other things. May check in once more before bed but I am pretty sure I am not going to fully read the stuff I missed.
I'd like someone who is wanting to lynch oats to convince me why he is scum.
Similarly as to why ppl are voting HF for mayor.
If deadline was right now/soon I would push for Meap or Grack to lynch.
You know HF was going to mayor lynch [UoN]Sentinel before it was cool right? So, the difference between HF and Palmar is HF has actually played so far and given plenty of opinions. And exactly like Chezinu said, latching onto this Sentinel policy is right up Palmars alley if both were scum. And absolutely worth it. Plus Palmar doesn’t have to do anything else, talk about skating by.
Vote HF for mayor for the Sentinel kill, ##VOTE: Palmarso he actually plays. Town win wins.
On March 04 2019 01:07 Tubesock wrote: I’m voting Trfl. Maybe he will come play.
If Tubesock is town I don't see why he should be questioning Acro's lynch choices considering his own so far.
I don't think Acro is a good lynch today. I think his tone has been pretty townie and there are other people with similar content drawing a lot less negative attention.
Why isn’t Palmar, Blazinghand, Rels, onegu, pandain, darthFoley, etc on this list too? Are these that much different than straight policy lynches?
I think he asked this question to make Acro seem scummy for pushing low-content posters, and that conflicts with the way that Tubesock has been playing the game so far.
On March 03 2019 17:59 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 13:47 Tictock wrote: Ok, I came, I saw, I did some things. Seems like ppl are not around so gunna do other things. May check in once more before bed but I am pretty sure I am not going to fully read the stuff I missed.
I'd like someone who is wanting to lynch oats to convince me why he is scum.
Similarly as to why ppl are voting HF for mayor.
If deadline was right now/soon I would push for Meap or Grack to lynch.
You know HF was going to mayor lynch [UoN]Sentinel before it was cool right? So, the difference between HF and Palmar is HF has actually played so far and given plenty of opinions. And exactly like Chezinu said, latching onto this Sentinel policy is right up Palmars alley if both were scum. And absolutely worth it. Plus Palmar doesn’t have to do anything else, talk about skating by.
Vote HF for mayor for the Sentinel kill, ##VOTE: Palmarso he actually plays. Town win wins.
On March 04 2019 01:07 Tubesock wrote: I’m voting Trfl. Maybe he will come play.
If Tubesock is town I don't see why he should be questioning Acro's lynch choices considering his own so far.
Multiple people, myself included, have called acro out on going for low-content posters and your case hinges upon it. Does that affect your read at all?
Nobody else that I recall was attacking Acro for going after low content posters while only pushing people for not posting, and also I dislike the post because I think it's an accusation disguised as a question rather than other people who have just called Acro shit.
Though my process for choosing which filters to read came from which filters I felt were mid-sized and blendy, and I'm probably coming to yours pretty soon too to be honest.
On March 04 2019 05:34 Grackaroni wrote: I don't think Acro is a good lynch today. I think his tone has been pretty townie and there are other people with similar content drawing a lot less negative attention.
acro is a good player.
The rest of you are pretty much trash except for like 2 people.
It's hard for me to explain but when he plays as town he has controversial opinions and he almost always sticks his foot in his mouth. I know some people like him for his aggressive early post against MZ but I remember when I played mafia with him he entered the thread in the same way, and it gave me bad vibes that he didn't have any posts early on that weren't serious like that.
On March 04 2019 05:49 LightningStrike wrote: I calmed down enough to just switching my mayor vote to iamp his case seems solid enough. Wont post for the rest of the day phase/night phase Bye
your so full of shit.
You really raged from like the softest pressure ever??
bs
Yeah he's done that a lot of times before as town.
Also pretty dumb idea that I had, but this post is weird:
On March 03 2019 02:10 Ace wrote: I think we should nominate someone who has barely posted yet as Mayor. There are a lot of thoughts already posted that could help us draw conclusions based on conversations.
Giving a semi-lurking/lurking player lynch power and forcing them into the game seems like a good move to me. So a player like Tumblewood or tubesock should be nominated (they've barely posted from a cursory filter check).
If Tumble/Tube are actually scum there is a non-trivial chance that he just wanted to slip in the names of teammates into a post.
I have no idea what the mayor vote count looks like atm but I'm in favor of Palmar. I think Palmar has a better chance of lynching scum than thread at the moment.
On March 04 2019 06:12 Grackaroni wrote: I have no idea what the mayor vote count looks like atm but I'm in favor of Palmar. I think Palmar has a better chance of lynching scum than thread at the moment.
Not while he's still set on me he doesn't
Well you did post reads and that you read your role PM, so I don't know if he will policy lynch or not.
On March 04 2019 06:12 Grackaroni wrote: I have no idea what the mayor vote count looks like atm but I'm in favor of Palmar. I think Palmar has a better chance of lynching scum than thread at the moment.
Not while he's still set on me he doesn't
Well you did post reads and that you read your role PM, so I don't know if he will policy lynch or not.
So you think he has the best chance of lynching scum but also don't know if he will still policy lynch someone? Why trust palmar's judgement if you can't even predict if he'll policy lynch someone after they fulfilled the requirements to not be policy lynched?
Seems like you're hedging to me
I'd take Palmar scum read or policy lynch over Oats/LS/Acro lynches, which I think are the alternatives right now.
On March 04 2019 07:14 Grackaroni wrote: Holyflare is your whole Oats case that he scum read both you and the person you were scumreading?
I literally just quoted words I said that didn't have anything to do with what you're saying. The answer is no.
Yeah and my question was from reading the quotes that you just posted and that's exactly what you said.
You said Oats called you mafia and the guy you were calling mafia in the space of a post, so his reads are inconsistent.
And then you said that people scum reading you must be fabricated and some sort of conspiracy... I mean... I'd think you'd be used to people scum reading you by now.
For what it's worth I read Oats from making the same headless chicken behavior that Rayn does:
On March 03 2019 18:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oatsmaster is very likely to be town and hf's meta read on him is completely incorrect. Not that oats is helping much or isn't a headless chicken but that doesnt mean he is mafia, in fact it meeans the opposite quite often.
Though if your case is the three posts you quoted in that Acro post then that's really bad.
On March 04 2019 07:16 rsoultin wrote: I'm not liking wave this game for reasons I can't describe other than he seems like one of those old vulture headed muppets in the peanut gallery.
me too. He's popping once in a while to say nothing. His one post that contains something serious is also pretty bad, how Conversion is town because it's an early game wagon
Lol >< I know this is ironic but you playing D1 is skeezing me out, and though I think I'm obv town I also know I look a bit like a looney toon on crack so I'm not sure why you'd be top towning me in this crowd which I presume is the reason you're voting me mayor?
But I'm gonna ignore that as a later in the game concern.
Anyone else on Wave? Like I don't really remember ever being so great at reading him or anything and I think he's kinda blah like this as town sometimes but maybe not to this extent idk ><
72 hours of D1 is a blessing for me The way you doubted yourself over rayn was super townie
Sheeesh I didn't know day 1 was 72 hours. I thought we were getting near time for shenannies. I'm walking off.
After your response, I am going to unleash analysis based on your response... so type your words wisely.. or speech to text your words wisely if that's how you rolls... or role...
Brown Chez, always brown.
A wise choice. Well you see. I didn't quite like your coloring skills earlier. You paint my greens and blues red!!!
If you said I was red, then you would explain your coloring skills to assume I'm wrong on my reads.. If you went green, then you would insult my own coloring skills. With brown, you have passed.
Ahh Chez, I may not be as active as I once was but I learned many years ago not to paint you red or green. You are brown and embody it every game. I'm saddened to know that we disagree on the colors of others though. I feel comfortable with some of what I've colored but others I am not so sure of. Who in particular do you you think I've gotten wrong so far?
The iamp and HF. Thought you were dissing me
It's gonna be hard to get me to budge on iamp, his level of effort while still being semi active in the thread just smells like someone who is trying to active lurk his way into escaping attention. He's a solid red for me right now.
I have HF as green, mostly because I thought the way he came after me during the whole conversion discussion was from a townie mindset. And he brought up some good points about Oats which I hadn't fully considered until he mentioned it. Do you color him red?
Not as strongly as I was earlier, I just finished reading everyone's filter which took me a solid 6ish hours so I'm going to take a quick break and clear my head. In the mean time y'all can feel free to check out my notes I created. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JaeEcpko74-Vdm8iN3r1TWsKBW8HITOXUhutGH3bSY8/edit?usp=sharing How you interpret the information there is up to you but I'm just giving out the raw data. Later tonight I'll compile some thoughts based off of that but I'm kinda burnt out now
The one thing I know for sure is that I need someone to vigi the shit out of Blazinghand and possibly Pandain as well.
TW TS Rayn - I changed my mind about Rayn. He had good presence at the start of the game but I don't like what he's been pushing recently and HF legitimately has a good point when he says that Rayn has been talking through people. BH - for not playing but avoiding doing anything too attention grabby so far like random lynch.
On March 04 2019 18:19 Palmar wrote: As a sidenote, I actually think all the top mayor wagons are town. I think the least likely wagon to have many mafia on it is HF. I think my wagon is appealing to mafia, I think iamp's wagon is also appealing. I think smaller wagons and not voting yet is even more appealing to mafia.
The reason I think mafia is unlikely to be on HF's wagon is that it's a raggedy bunch of contrarians, baddies and outright trolls. I think these protest votes are actually more likely to be town.
I think my wagon (and iamp's to a lesser extent) is a much safer bet for mafia. I'm the conventional choice, the easy choice to make. I'm playing pretty townie, I'm a well known name in all eras of TL Mafia, I have a clear objective etc. I think mafia is less likely to be contrarian like that.
It's somewhat similar to my thoughts on sentinel, he might be mafia because he wasn't enough of a difficult assholes. If there is one way to describe the people on HF's wagon, including HF himself, it's "difficult assholes".
I went to look at the HF vote list for a laugh but the only troll on there is Slam. I don't know who the difficult assholes are.
On March 04 2019 21:10 WaveofShadow wrote: Am I the only one who didn't find the palmar - - - >mocsta intsraction rude at all?
I thought it was really weird. There wasn't any kind of insult from Palmar, he just said that his posting was scattered and uncontributive and that it seemed like it could come from mafia, which was somehow interpreted as abuse.
On March 04 2019 00:10 Vivax wrote: HF are you jealous of Palmar or something. Let him be the mayor, you should know yourself enough to know that you act upon the weirdest impulses at EoDs.
Not jealous, no. I see the same guy advocating the same lynch as me yet people jumping on his bandwagon and citing that the reason they're doing it is that they want sentinel mayor lynched like it's some revelation that only Palmar has brought to the thread. That's suspicious.
In the process of catching up now, Palmar's policy lynch on Sentinel was simply a lot more noticeable/forceful than yours.
On March 04 2019 05:40 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 04 2019 05:35 Fecalfeast wrote:
On March 04 2019 05:33 Grackaroni wrote: I think we should lynch Tubesock for this post:
Why isn’t Palmar, Blazinghand, Rels, onegu, pandain, darthFoley, etc on this list too? Are these that much different than straight policy lynches?
I think he asked this question to make Acro seem scummy for pushing low-content posters, and that conflicts with the way that Tubesock has been playing the game so far.
On March 03 2019 17:59 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 13:47 Tictock wrote: Ok, I came, I saw, I did some things. Seems like ppl are not around so gunna do other things. May check in once more before bed but I am pretty sure I am not going to fully read the stuff I missed.
I'd like someone who is wanting to lynch oats to convince me why he is scum.
Similarly as to why ppl are voting HF for mayor.
If deadline was right now/soon I would push for Meap or Grack to lynch.
You know HF was going to mayor lynch [UoN]Sentinel before it was cool right? So, the difference between HF and Palmar is HF has actually played so far and given plenty of opinions. And exactly like Chezinu said, latching onto this Sentinel policy is right up Palmars alley if both were scum. And absolutely worth it. Plus Palmar doesn’t have to do anything else, talk about skating by.
Vote HF for mayor for the Sentinel kill, ##VOTE: Palmarso he actually plays. Town win wins.
On March 04 2019 01:07 Tubesock wrote: I’m voting Trfl. Maybe he will come play.
If Tubesock is town I don't see why he should be questioning Acro's lynch choices considering his own so far.
Multiple people, myself included, have called acro out on going for low-content posters and your case hinges upon it. Does that affect your read at all?
Nobody else that I recall was attacking Acro for going after low content posters while only pushing people for not posting, and also I dislike the post because I think it's an accusation disguised as a question rather than other people who have just called Acro shit.
Though my process for choosing which filters to read came from which filters I felt were mid-sized and blendy, and I'm probably coming to yours pretty soon too to be honest.
On March 04 2019 05:52 Grackaroni wrote: Also I think Tumblewood is mafia.
It's hard for me to explain but when he plays as town he has controversial opinions and he almost always sticks his foot in his mouth. I know some people like him for his aggressive early post against MZ but I remember when I played mafia with him he entered the thread in the same way, and it gave me bad vibes that he didn't have any posts early on that weren't serious like that.
Also I disliked the list post he made.
On March 04 2019 10:27 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 04 2019 09:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 04 2019 08:25 darthfoley wrote: Interested on MeapZiph's take on iamp after the last 30 pages.
@Meap are you still seeing red?
On March 03 2019 16:00 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 03 2019 15:50 Chezinu wrote:
On March 03 2019 15:42 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 03 2019 15:35 Chezinu wrote:
On March 03 2019 15:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: [quote] Brown Chez, always brown.
A wise choice. Well you see. I didn't quite like your coloring skills earlier. You paint my greens and blues red!!!
If you said I was red, then you would explain your coloring skills to assume I'm wrong on my reads.. If you went green, then you would insult my own coloring skills. With brown, you have passed.
Ahh Chez, I may not be as active as I once was but I learned many years ago not to paint you red or green. You are brown and embody it every game. I'm saddened to know that we disagree on the colors of others though. I feel comfortable with some of what I've colored but others I am not so sure of. Who in particular do you you think I've gotten wrong so far?
The iamp and HF. Thought you were dissing me
It's gonna be hard to get me to budge on iamp, his level of effort while still being semi active in the thread just smells like someone who is trying to active lurk his way into escaping attention. He's a solid red for me right now.
I have HF as green, mostly because I thought the way he came after me during the whole conversion discussion was from a townie mindset. And he brought up some good points about Oats which I hadn't fully considered until he mentioned it. Do you color him red?
Not as strongly as I was earlier, I just finished reading everyone's filter which took me a solid 6ish hours so I'm going to take a quick break and clear my head. In the mean time y'all can feel free to check out my notes I created. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JaeEcpko74-Vdm8iN3r1TWsKBW8HITOXUhutGH3bSY8/edit?usp=sharing How you interpret the information there is up to you but I'm just giving out the raw data. Later tonight I'll compile some thoughts based off of that but I'm kinda burnt out now
The one thing I know for sure is that I need someone to vigi the shit out of Blazinghand and possibly Pandain as well.
TW TS Rayn - I changed my mind about Rayn. He had good presence at the start of the game but I don't like what he's been pushing recently and HF legitimately has a good point when he says that Rayn has been talking through people. BH - for not playing but avoiding doing anything too attention grabby so far like random lynch.
If you only read the first page of Grack's filter it's pretty easy to come away thinking he's shit scum not trying to understand the game. But the second page is full of stuff like this. He's showing he's thinking along with the game and reading. He then stopped again, and intermittent behaviour when starting to come under suspicion into lurking under the radar is pretty scummy, but there are better targets.
That said, Oats making an actual case against Grack instead of telling me to fuck off was unexpected. I need people who have played with Oats more to coach me here, as I really don't want to dig into his meta, but does a scum Oats listen to his strongest scumread? Or does he just tell him to go fuck himself? I really like the very short little interaction Oats and I had.
I'm open to lynching trfel instead.
I don’t really see how is second page isn’t just useless activity pretending to find scum. He’s still reading because scum need to find stuff still, blues and 3rd parties but his scumreads don’t feel like his heart is in them and keeping a reads list is a good way not to contradict himself later on, especially as he appears to do nothing with that reads list and like doesn’t even post it for us to read, he spoilers it, subconsciously hiding it from plain sight
OK. 1) You can't distinguish between somebody looking for mafia and third party. 2) I did not write a reads list to help myself keep track of my reads and then spoiler it because I actually only wanted it to be read by myself.
3) You actually aren't wrong about my scum reads. I'm kind of lukewarm on my TS read and feel pretty good about my TW read but bad about my chances of lynching him.
At the moment I just need to sift through a lot of meh players and see who the best choice out of them is.
On March 03 2019 05:17 Tumblewood wrote: ok i have finally caught up. herein lies the deal: + Show Spoiler [acrofales] +
On March 02 2019 16:17 Acrofales wrote: I just started reading and 3 pages in stopped again. From this point onwards, I will be operating on a lynch all liars policy, because holy shit, mafia claims are the dumbest things I have ever seen. So yeah. Claim mafia beyond this point and I'll assume it's the truth. I also refuse to read anything else up to here, unless someone specifically points me somewhere in the first 23 pages worth reading.
Now can we keep the postcount reasonable? This isn't a mini, and I'm going sailing all weekend and have a deadline on Monday.
On March 02 2019 17:14 rsoultin wrote: It means you're doing the things you know I look for when I'm trying to get a read on you, which you've admitted to doing as mafia when I'm in a game. So while it makes me want to townread you I can't be as sure as I'd like to be :/
It's mostly tonal with Trfel. Seems really stiff at the start of the game with LS, even disregarding the smilies. There's a caveat here that I think will work itself out before EoD, though.
i like the caveat part of this post because it shows some real gears turning behind the reads. everything else from her has been whatever (i will be interested eventually in what the caveat is)
the way he entered the thread paints a target on his back in such a pointless and ridiculous way that it seems unlikely from mafia. however i hate it so i will be postponing townread until actual contribution
On March 02 2019 10:01 Trfel wrote: Hi, I am mafia
Cool who are your buddies?
Can't you just check the QT?
Also, to unvote in the mayor election you unmayor someone? That sounds pretty crazy xD And before anyone asks the inevitable question, there are seven mafia in the game, so we don't have to argue about it, cool?
No self respecting town person reads setup.
You're mafia.
This is outstanding analysis and I agree with it 100%
Meh, HF's post is NAI for me (seems more like a general poke, than a real accusation) but my gut really seems to think Meap is mafia all the more for this.
On March 02 2019 10:08 Fecalfeast wrote: Vote me for mayor. I will be the arbiter of truth and justice
But how do we know that you're town here?
For anyone to know that I'm town at this point, that person would have to be scum. I'm here to find scum and lynch them, not prove that I'm town by any means that aren't incidental to my stated goals.
Do you know if youre town?
This is prob just kus Rayn and I have very different personalities/outlooks, but these sort of questions bug me. It's really an accusation that FF is slipping that he is actually mafia, but it's very implied that FF means "anyone else" as he is unlikely to be thinking about his own position. So probably just a weak poke from Rayn, but I dislike. Mostly kus what sort of response do you expect from this question? How can it help you?
Meap seems very Mafia to me on this page, he even does this "Guide me Senpai" thing with HF that I hate. + Show Spoiler +
On March 02 2019 10:01 Trfel wrote: Hi, I am mafia
Cool who are your buddies?
Can't you just check the QT?
Also, to unvote in the mayor election you unmayor someone? That sounds pretty crazy xD And before anyone asks the inevitable question, there are seven mafia in the game, so we don't have to argue about it, cool?
No self respecting town person reads setup.
You're mafia.
He already claimed mafia though didn't you read the opening of the game?
No self respecting townie reads the whole thread.
Sheeeeiiiit this is more quality analysis I can get behind
Is lightingstrike scum too HF?
Gut wants me to vote Meap, so vote Meap I shall.
the commentary on meapak is just not good. i have no idea how he gets a scumread out of the first quoted post, and the second is strange because he attributes HF's post as a likely joke but not meapak's even though he is just affirming HF's joke. also the fact that this is labeled as a gut read despite giving reasoning anyway. i do like this though:
On March 02 2019 14:44 Tictock wrote: Willing to give solid townleans on Trefl and LS, and a minor townlean on Damdred thus far. I've also got a bit of a gutread on FF at this point, but I'm not sharing it yet.
i came into this thinking i was gonna make a scum case on him but after actually reading the rest of his walls of text i'm not feeling it anymore. nothing else gives me the sketchy feeling
he seems very image conscious in his posts on meapak
On March 02 2019 11:13 Jockmcplop wrote: Is it me or is meapak throwing suspicion around without actually trying to get any information? Looks like that is the only story of the last couple of pages
On March 03 2019 03:39 Jockmcplop wrote: I don't wanna be focusing all on one guy but MZ is contradicting himself again while bringing up the same old discussion that derailed the first 2 pages.
On March 02 2019 20:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Jockmcplop can you explain to me why you don't have a read on me (or whatever sticks out means here?) when my top scumread atm is your top scumread for basically the same reasons which i stated before you did?
I think its your posting style more than anything. Our reads are the same but that doesn't mean anything if you're being objective about it. Instinctively I read you very town but something about the way you post bugs me enough to want to see a bit more before I read.
i feel that there is a though process going on behind this. this places jock merely on the watch list
in summary acro and jock are scumleans, everyone else listed is either townlean or town
On March 04 2019 21:10 WaveofShadow wrote: Am I the only one who didn't find the palmar - - - >mocsta intsraction rude at all?
I thought it was really weird. There wasn't any kind of insult from Palmar, he just said that his posting was scattered and uncontributive and that it seemed like it could come from mafia, which was somehow interpreted as abuse.
So what’s your conclusion buddy? Or more empty words!”?
Blazinghand is scum by the way. He said he was too busy to play but then he showed up within an hour of getting votes and has sat here throughout the last hours trying to WIFOM people out of voting him.
On March 05 2019 08:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Wait. I go to fucking work then sleep and come back to this clusterfuck? Why for the love of god are we lynching Palmar of all fucking people. You may hate his fucking guts right now but of all the "vet" or big name players in this game hes actually put in more effort than anyone fucking else.
Do you disagree with his reads? Likely. Do I? On some of them yes. But the guy is clearly playing for the town. Have any of you guys played with him? or remember games with him? He does this shit consistently with town. He polarizes everyone in the game for or against him to get reads / generate discussion. Sometimes it may just be because hes being an asshole or believes hes better than you.
So no I am not down for lynching him -_-
If you were going to off an old school player at this point just to do it you'd be better served with offing Me, Ace, BH, or MZ tbh. We all have done basically nothing in comparison.
We as an entire group have literally designed a day that lets mafia just slide by and do sweet fuck all and based on thread sentiment could get away with it for way way way too long. Sure you could after the fact try and harass suspects for reasons but basically everyone can regurgitate the same horseshit and you get borderline nothing.
So. HF get the fuck off Palmar. You may hate his fucking guts / think hes the worlds shittiest player but the guy is clearly attempting to help the town at this point and has done far more to push that then most in this game.
How about instead we look into this pool.
Onegu Why? 1) Says he will be try hard. Is clearly not thus is not living up to what he said he would attempt. 2) Reads currently given have no substance to them 3) Clearly skirting by the activity requirements 4) Basically just has posts with 0 content
Iamperfection
I have already brought him up in my last analysis post. Basically it is very similar however to expand on it.
On March 04 2019 05:40 iamperfection wrote:
On March 04 2019 05:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote: My response is more or less going to be impacted by your response to my question.
i probably wont give my full reads until tomorrow.
i think your probably town though cause i think your confused by my play and are trying to figure out my alignment
Since I have been waiting now for awhile to see what reads he has. Let me sum it up for you. He hasn't posted any of value. Why? Because he hasnt posted any reasonable reasons. He has also asked for what? 3 vig shots now on players Someone like this whos played as long as he had know better. This isn't behaviour IMO of a townie. Its scum.
This post reeks. Why would you pop up near EOD to post this? You even segregated players and faked outrage. Heavy FoS here.
+1 to this.
This looks very similar to a fake-outrage scum post that I've seen BC make before.
On March 05 2019 09:51 iamperfection wrote: what do you think of bh marv?
all I could see was a policy lynch
not a bad one based on the posts I saw
no
its like he took a dare in the scum qt saying he could act as a jester and still not get lynched.
I mean sure, that's one explanation
not the only one though right? was he your best?
genuinely interested why you or anyone didn't like Palmar's read on Sentinel
because I loved it
I went back and forth on the Sentinel read. The problem was that I asked myself what I would have done if I had been the non-role PM reading troll, which was not difficult for me to imagine. The question I should have asked is whether I am more or less of an asshole than Sentinel!
On March 03 2019 20:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Palmar, if you are town, go seriously read Acrofales' filter and actually look at what he says. Then look at his case on Grackaroni and read the posts after that again.
What did you mean by this? I didn't notice anything different about Acro's case on me than MZ/TT/Oats etc.
On March 06 2019 08:40 LightningStrike wrote: This nk anticipation is killing me. BTW on mobile guys.
It's Iamp and Vivax methinks.
Why you think those two?
Just putting in my guess. Those are very Grackaroni night kills. Kill off the really townie people that won't be read as scum because they can't play as scum.
On March 06 2019 08:40 LightningStrike wrote: This nk anticipation is killing me. BTW on mobile guys.
It's Iamp and Vivax methinks.
Why you think those two?
Just putting in my guess. Those are very Grackaroni night kills. Kill off the really townie people that won't be read as scum because they can't play as scum.
I never played with iamp before so I cant say much about that unless I dig up his old games later but Vivax I agree on the logic.
Iamp is similar to Vivax. Much stronger town game than scum game.
On March 06 2019 09:00 Mocsta wrote: Koshi + AMG i reckon.
AMG is a good player
AMG is a vig shot.
If someones felt the need to remove me from the game for something Pandain did, thats a shame but I guess it achieves my objective of not having to read 150 pages.
Otherwise, vigging me for anything in the last 24 hours is crap but i suppose out of my control.
Nah I just meant if you die it wouldn't be by mafia.
Ok I'm going to stick around for the next 5 hours or so and see what I can find.
I need to see cooler heads prevail here even though I think HF is a dumbass. I have nothing against lynching Palmar day 1. I just think that Palmar's posts this game were pretty obviously high quality posts ignoring his name.
HF is probably not mafia. Early in the day multiple people said that he was a worse mayor choice than Palmar because he was liable to do something stupid. I knew he would do something stupid. His ego tells him that the only way that Palmar can have more votes than him is if Palmar is mafia. To no surprise he does something stupid. There is maybe a 10% chance that HF makes a calculated play as mafia to get rid of Palmar knowing he can talk his way out of the lynch the next day.
On March 06 2019 10:38 sicklucker wrote: the only compromise I think I can make is kill bh first. but if bh is town we lose. IF bh is mafia hf is mafia so why not just go straight for the gut
and just ignore what I wrote where it's likely we both could be town?
Vivax being town doesn't make BH town. His whole play right now is to be seen as wanting to be lynched, so it makes sense that he wouldn't vote to save himself.
BH has shown that he has lots of time to contribute if he wants to. If he doesn't then he's giving us no reason not to lynch him.
On March 05 2019 06:58 Tumblewood wrote: like. you know what i dig. iamp as mayor (unless we could realistically pull of koshi, or fuck it, me). and then we lynch conv, trfel, grack, maaaybbe tube, BH, exo. and the mayor does good stuff
Tumble your scum reads are disappearing and I know my alignment.
On March 05 2019 08:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Wait. I go to fucking work then sleep and come back to this clusterfuck? Why for the love of god are we lynching Palmar of all fucking people. You may hate his fucking guts right now but of all the "vet" or big name players in this game hes actually put in more effort than anyone fucking else.
Do you disagree with his reads? Likely. Do I? On some of them yes. But the guy is clearly playing for the town. Have any of you guys played with him? or remember games with him? He does this shit consistently with town. He polarizes everyone in the game for or against him to get reads / generate discussion. Sometimes it may just be because hes being an asshole or believes hes better than you.
So no I am not down for lynching him -_-
If you were going to off an old school player at this point just to do it you'd be better served with offing Me, Ace, BH, or MZ tbh. We all have done basically nothing in comparison.
We as an entire group have literally designed a day that lets mafia just slide by and do sweet fuck all and based on thread sentiment could get away with it for way way way too long. Sure you could after the fact try and harass suspects for reasons but basically everyone can regurgitate the same horseshit and you get borderline nothing.
So. HF get the fuck off Palmar. You may hate his fucking guts / think hes the worlds shittiest player but the guy is clearly attempting to help the town at this point and has done far more to push that then most in this game.
How about instead we look into this pool.
Onegu Why? 1) Says he will be try hard. Is clearly not thus is not living up to what he said he would attempt. 2) Reads currently given have no substance to them 3) Clearly skirting by the activity requirements 4) Basically just has posts with 0 content
Iamperfection
I have already brought him up in my last analysis post. Basically it is very similar however to expand on it.
On March 04 2019 05:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote: My response is more or less going to be impacted by your response to my question.
i probably wont give my full reads until tomorrow.
i think your probably town though cause i think your confused by my play and are trying to figure out my alignment
Since I have been waiting now for awhile to see what reads he has. Let me sum it up for you. He hasn't posted any of value. Why? Because he hasnt posted any reasonable reasons. He has also asked for what? 3 vig shots now on players Someone like this whos played as long as he had know better. This isn't behaviour IMO of a townie. Its scum.
He gets to come in, yell at town, and then set himself up to look vindicated if Palmar dies. No comments on any of the active wagons of which we know two (trfel, conv) were town, and says he disagrees with some of Palmar's reads without going into specifics. Very easy way to posture for 'town points' without needing to commit to anything.
Besides that he's jumped on a couple other points but hasn't accomplished any real scum hunting in thread.
This is plaigarism lol. Exact same word choice as Ace.
On March 05 2019 08:23 Holyflare wrote: Arbitrary list. Please tell me which of the ones I haven't read should be read asap. Bit annoying the bottom half of the player list has a lot of scummy people to read. I cba writing anymore so close to deadline.
tubesock (Could be wrong on him but his filter seems clean and he's making his own conclusions (albeit just on trfel, but trfel is the new flavour of the month and he was first so looks ok)
Fecalfeast (Don't hate anything he's said. In fact on page 2 of his filter everything he says there kind of aligns with what I've been thinking. His vote platform seems carefree and like he doesn't really give a shit, just wants to do his own thing. Very acro focused but not in an awful way. Content seems minimal though so he's not up at town.
Null
Onegu (legit has done 0 things)
Mr. Wiggles (seems resolute in looking at unturned stones, could just be blending but seems ok(?) Asked me to look into one of the T guys (tube?) but he didn't look bad in his filter at all so dropped to null)
WaveofShadow I want to believe Wave has a lack of emotion but he's done this exact thing of lurking and feigning before. I'd find it hard to motivate myself if I rolled mafia in this big game after a massive break like him too He hasn't got anything to go on really. Scummy just appearing.
Ace (Really has achieved not much. Voted me for mayor which is a big + and the things he says aren't not-towny in a vacuum but until he reaches a conclusion and votes not a placeholder for lynch there's really nothing to go on. Has weird posts in relation to BH when he hasn't really commented on much of the game apart from that)
Oatsmaster (don't hate his new direction - which is still seemingly every direction - but he's digging at least)
Tictock (This would absolutely be in the lower categories if it wasn't for his big appeal to emotion post against me which I have a big weakness for. I don't like that he decided to do the catch up style this game. He misses questions aimed towards him, gave up the style and ignored the pages in between. His logic has been wonky on a lot of people's posts and he seems to make a determined decision on someone's alignment and then make a narrative without weighing up both sides. But that AtE post though....)
ExO_ When reading through the thread there was a discussion that exo was present for and he kept asking random questions and not really interacting with it and I voted him for it. Upon reading his filter I got a completely different clean impression so he's in a null placeholder until I re-read that whole time he was in thread.
Scum-ish
Tumblewood (looks very low effort, may be mistaken on this though but it's a lot of questions that don't end up much of anywhere and lots of seemingly sentiment following on mayor lynches)
Trfel (Feel disgusting doing this (putting him in null) after he scum reads sentinel for something that happened almost 72 hours ago but I don't think he says he doesn't think Oats is posting like mafia and then backtracks and votes for him as mafia. That seems like something he'd be too self conscious to do. But then he says things like "oats (pressure vote)" as if he never meant it so this started as null but it's actually now scum-ish)
Acrofales (This dude has looked scummy quite a lot. First was when he said he was sheeping Palmar because he trusted him more to find scum while scum reading the person I wanted to lynch. Then he said I didn't look that great because I was scum reading Oats for bad reasons and then he made a list of why Oats was scum which was entirely made up of my reasons. Then I said I scum read rayn and he said he doesn't scum read rayn. When Palmar came with a bs reason to scum read rayn Acro basically reneged on his plan to vote me because he agreed that Rayn looked like mafia when nothing from rayn had happened in between. Every time I think about these occurrences it makes me want to drop him down further. Don't ask me why I don't. He has ok looking breakthroughs every now and again)
raynpelikoneet Talked through me. Ignroed rsoultin. Disappeared and reappeared to appeal to me and vote palmar/(think he disliked acro too). Conflicted heavily at the moment.
Scum
Blazinghand (No RNG, no posts of content. Just doing whatever to seem like the good towny martyr. I think I've seen him do this exact play before as mafia.)
Mocsta (This dude, does anyone know where his head is at? I sure don't. He +1s my post scum reading Palmar, gets in a shit show with Palmar and then somehow bows down to him after having a meltdown like 2.4 seconds before over Palmar's really weak Conversion read????????????? Just read his filter progression with me and Palmar and be prepared to go "What?")
Palmar - (wishy washy Iamp post, wishy washy Acro post. I call him out that he has no solid scum reads and he has to hunker down and scum read someone. Defaults to Sentinel still, can't see any motivation from sentinel other than scum motivation. He then makes some bs analysis of the wagons acknowledging that his wagon is the most scum motivated one to follow but doesn't use that to reevaluate anything and doesn't question which of the people on the wagon are scummy. He defends Pandain who has literally posted nothing but coaching.
Makes a movement for Rayn to be mafia based on Rayn's activity which hasn't meant anything since a long time now. Doesn't even get what Rayn said correct.
Doesn't even know what Damdred/Rsoul posted about LS. Not interested in figuring out game, instead tried to use others to prove his point.
Wants to vote Conversion because Conversion was lazy but attributes it to mafia motivation instead of just someone being lazy. That's the crux of his entire read. Fakes some floundering on it when Conversion posts some irl excuse, seems pretty forced.
After nothing in between Conversion drops off max scum vote list and is replaced with lurker and policy lynch. Not great at all.)
LightningStrike (No scum reads. Only mentioned MZ once or twice but never really actually said anything about him of substance. Rage quit from the thread but still votes and still afks in the background. He finds it really hard to write scum reads as scum because it's against his nature. He hasn't done the characteristic "these two are fighting so one of them is mafia" post that he always does as town. He hasn't really given anything to go on. Rage seemed forced. He's fucking voting Palmar, jeeeeezzuusss.)
Chezinu (This is without reading his filter and just off memory alone. He does not seem to be having fun, his RP posts are quite devoid of anything entertaining. He's been trying to determine if I'm blue. He has been actually posting reads and being serious which is a complete juxtaposition to any time I've ever ever seen Chezinu been town (or really mafia either) but from what I can see there seems to be agenda in Chez. I will update this on actually reading him because I can't remember a single one of his reads.
On March 06 2019 22:01 Tubesock wrote: I’d scum the shit out if HF if he platformed killing Palmar, cased and scumread him, and didn’t kill him. Maybe MAYBE not if he killed scum instead. I think I’d still think he could be scum for killing a lurker mafia.
To me the ONLY plausible reason to scumread HF is because he said he tried to change it. And even that is 50/50 really. Everything else he’s done has been good for town.
People say he has a big ego, you think he thought Palmar was scum and wouldn’t shoot for epic plays???
You voters should be arguing that HF didn’t really believe his Palmar case.
But you can’t cause he did.
This! This is the thing that makes all "HF is scum" believers either retards or mafia.
I know you're new here, but what the hell is this? Doing "specifically pro-mafia stuff" is stuff town doesn't do. You say it's a bad read, but him killing Palmar was almost entirely off his ego being too big for Palmar to beat him in a mayor election. There isn't even any townie reasoning there, it is entirely based on "goal 1": the town isn't big enough for the two of them, so he kills Palmar. It wasn't a "bad read". It wasn't a read at all.
I don't have time right now to collect all my notes in one place, but this is clearly important. So here is his Palmar case:
On March 04 2019 18:07 Holyflare wrote: My mayor lynch will be on Palmar by the way.
I can get behind this, but what's the reasoning behind it?
Only talks about town reads, has no suspicions on pretty much anything in the game. Perpetuates nonsense policy lynch after he likes Sentinel's effort when he hasn't even read it. His last post about acro is entirely a wall of hedge whereby he looks like he's falsely weighing up Acro's alignment but really it's wishy washy and says nothing.
His iamp read looks completely bs too for similar reasons to his acro read. Iamp is town but wait here's reasons I can say he's not town later in the game.
None of this is concrete town palmar stuff. There's also the fact we can acknowledge that mafia were pushing for his candidacy if he does flip mafia
This was on sunday evening, when he was mostly right that Palmar hadn't played much yet. But they were both around all of monday, and nothing happened except HF's ego got more hurt:
On March 05 2019 07:18 Holyflare wrote: Especially now that more people are actually voting him when he has said nothing else of value.
Like... I did the exercise at the time, and tried to read Palmar as scum. I got through the weekend thinking he might be right, because Palmar posted a policy lynch and a bunch of town reads. I did find he was throwing off townie vibes, but figured it might have been him throwing me a green read to bedazzle me. But all of monday (the above post is made an hour and a bit before deadline), Palmar was deep diving people, engaging people, and hunting scum. Classifying that as "nothing of value" is nonsense.
So no, HF really didn't have much of a case on Palmar at all. Definitely not one that shows conviction, and certainly not one where he is trying to actually figure out if he's right or not. He parked the case on Sunday evening and didn't bother analysing anything Palmar did all of Monday.
Now I get that HF is apparently an egomaniac, but he is completely uncritical of his read. He doesn't return to it, just reiterates any time anybody asks that he will kill Palmar. Lamp and Koshi come to their own conclusions of Palmar. They were obviously wrong, but you can see their thought process and you can see Koshi engage with Palmar about it. Not so at all with HF.
You're directing this at the wrong person. HF actually addressed the posts that Palmar made on Monday. Rayn didn't and he voted HF for mayor so that HF would kill Palmar without commenting on what Palmar wrote about Sentinel/Conversion/Mocsta.
I have a lot more belief that HF had conviction in his Palmar read than I do that Rayn did.
On March 06 2019 23:16 Grackaroni wrote: You're directing this at the wrong person. HF actually addressed the posts that Palmar made on Monday. Rayn didn't and he voted HF for mayor so that HF would kill Palmar without commenting on what Palmar wrote about Sentinel/Conversion/Mocsta.
I have a lot more belief that HF had conviction in his Palmar read than I do that Rayn did.
On March 06 2019 23:24 Grackaroni wrote: Sentinel BH Rayn
3 players very very likely to be scum.
Have you forgotten about the case i made on Palmar which Palmar said was correct?
Palmar said that the reason you two butted heads was his fault. You didn't write anything about Palmar being scum that should have been considered more important than Palmar's scumhunting posts on Monday.
On March 06 2019 23:16 Grackaroni wrote: You're directing this at the wrong person. HF actually addressed the posts that Palmar made on Monday. Rayn didn't and he voted HF for mayor so that HF would kill Palmar without commenting on what Palmar wrote about Sentinel/Conversion/Mocsta.
I have a lot more belief that HF had conviction in his Palmar read than I do that Rayn did.
On March 06 2019 23:24 Grackaroni wrote: Sentinel BH Rayn
3 players very very likely to be scum.
Have you forgotten about the case i made on Palmar which Palmar said was correct?
Palmar said that the reason you two butted heads was his fault. You didn't write anything about Palmar being scum that should have been considered more important than Palmar's scumhunting posts on Monday.
When Palmar was scumhunting on monday (and my tuesday) i was at work.
But then you came back later in the day and voted HF mayor because you wanted to kill Palmar, so it's kind of on you if you aren't reading the filter of the person you're voting to kill.
On March 06 2019 23:16 Grackaroni wrote: You're directing this at the wrong person. HF actually addressed the posts that Palmar made on Monday. Rayn didn't and he voted HF for mayor so that HF would kill Palmar without commenting on what Palmar wrote about Sentinel/Conversion/Mocsta.
I have a lot more belief that HF had conviction in his Palmar read than I do that Rayn did.
On March 06 2019 23:24 Grackaroni wrote: Sentinel BH Rayn
3 players very very likely to be scum.
Have you forgotten about the case i made on Palmar which Palmar said was correct?
Palmar said that the reason you two butted heads was his fault. You didn't write anything about Palmar being scum that should have been considered more important than Palmar's scumhunting posts on Monday.
When Palmar was scumhunting on monday (and my tuesday) i was at work.
But then you came back later in the day and voted HF mayor because you wanted to kill Palmar, so it's kind of on you if you aren't reading the filter of the person you're voting to kill.
On March 06 2019 22:01 Tubesock wrote: I’d scum the shit out if HF if he platformed killing Palmar, cased and scumread him, and didn’t kill him. Maybe MAYBE not if he killed scum instead. I think I’d still think he could be scum for killing a lurker mafia.
To me the ONLY plausible reason to scumread HF is because he said he tried to change it. And even that is 50/50 really. Everything else he’s done has been good for town.
People say he has a big ego, you think he thought Palmar was scum and wouldn’t shoot for epic plays???
You voters should be arguing that HF didn’t really believe his Palmar case.
But you can’t cause he did.
This! This is the thing that makes all "HF is scum" believers either retards or mafia.
You're scumming me, but I literally did that.
On March 06 2019 20:50 Acrofales wrote:
I know you're new here, but what the hell is this? Doing "specifically pro-mafia stuff" is stuff town doesn't do. You say it's a bad read, but him killing Palmar was almost entirely off his ego being too big for Palmar to beat him in a mayor election. There isn't even any townie reasoning there, it is entirely based on "goal 1": the town isn't big enough for the two of them, so he kills Palmar. It wasn't a "bad read". It wasn't a read at all.
I don't have time right now to collect all my notes in one place, but this is clearly important. So here is his Palmar case:
On March 04 2019 18:14 Holyflare wrote:
On March 04 2019 18:09 Jockmcplop wrote:
On March 04 2019 18:07 Holyflare wrote: My mayor lynch will be on Palmar by the way.
I can get behind this, but what's the reasoning behind it?
Only talks about town reads, has no suspicions on pretty much anything in the game. Perpetuates nonsense policy lynch after he likes Sentinel's effort when he hasn't even read it. His last post about acro is entirely a wall of hedge whereby he looks like he's falsely weighing up Acro's alignment but really it's wishy washy and says nothing.
His iamp read looks completely bs too for similar reasons to his acro read. Iamp is town but wait here's reasons I can say he's not town later in the game.
None of this is concrete town palmar stuff. There's also the fact we can acknowledge that mafia were pushing for his candidacy if he does flip mafia
This was on sunday evening, when he was mostly right that Palmar hadn't played much yet. But they were both around all of monday, and nothing happened except HF's ego got more hurt:
On March 05 2019 06:38 Holyflare wrote: Palmar (11): Palmar, Ticktock, Meapak_Zipphh, Acrofales, Vivax, WaveofShadow, Grackaroni, Conversion, Alakaslam, Trfel, Blazinghand
How has this guy got 11 people voting for him when his sole policy is only to kill Sentinel who doesn't even look bad?
Almost the entirety, if not THE entirety of this wagon is the sketchiest people in this game. It's even growing!
And this one is blatantly false:
On March 05 2019 07:18 Holyflare wrote: Especially now that more people are actually voting him when he has said nothing else of value.
Like... I did the exercise at the time, and tried to read Palmar as scum. I got through the weekend thinking he might be right, because Palmar posted a policy lynch and a bunch of town reads. I did find he was throwing off townie vibes, but figured it might have been him throwing me a green read to bedazzle me. But all of monday (the above post is made an hour and a bit before deadline), Palmar was deep diving people, engaging people, and hunting scum. Classifying that as "nothing of value" is nonsense.
So no, HF really didn't have much of a case on Palmar at all. Definitely not one that shows conviction, and certainly not one where he is trying to actually figure out if he's right or not. He parked the case on Sunday evening and didn't bother analysing anything Palmar did all of Monday.
Now I get that HF is apparently an egomaniac, but he is completely uncritical of his read. He doesn't return to it, just reiterates any time anybody asks that he will kill Palmar. Lamp and Koshi come to their own conclusions of Palmar. They were obviously wrong, but you can see their thought process and you can see Koshi engage with Palmar about it. Not so at all with HF.
This is pretty misconstrued. Who did Palmar want to kill other than sentinel? Who the fuck knows until right near deadline where he finally posted something and also spammed wiggles. This also isn't all I posted in the slightest:
On March 05 2019 10:03 Holyflare wrote:
On March 05 2019 09:53 marvellosity wrote: HF mate, why did you actually kill Palmar?
I don't want a quote from your posts, just the actual reason(s)
? I thought his early posts were colossally bad. I didn't like how he kept coming up with reasons to read people one way or another that on closer inspection turned out to be massively false and then he'd just brush it away.
This happened with:
Rayn - where he came up with some factually incorrect meta and falsehoods in this game that got disproved and then called out by Rayn himself and Palmar just hand waved it away
LS read - where he tried to further his incorrect point that he must be right on LS because rsoul and damdred agreed with him (and also therefore damdred must be town because they agreed on LS(????????????????)). It turned out neither of them really agreed anymore but he didn't update that read on damdred
At the time I submitted the vote on palmar he had only 2 real attempts at scum reads and they turned out to be hedges instead on both acro and iamp so he really had no scum reads. He only started trying to scum read people after I called him out on it.
Outside of Palmar himself there was an overwhelming wagon building on Palmar's mayorship out of nowhere. He had only stated that he was going to lynch sentinel and then after Sentinel posted not bad walls of text he never updated that read. His wagon kept growing but with nobody really casting doubt on Sentinel further (other than like 1-2 people) so Palmar seemed to be in direct contention with my mayor votes for absolutely no reason whatsoever (I even had sentinel as my lynch policy for a long while).
I ultimately ended up still lynching Palmar:
A) because my vote was locked in and I never really got to change it to BH when your slot and vivax saved him
B) I would much rather have fun with a lynch on a really polarising player to lynch instead of some shitty policy lynch anyway that may or may not have actually turned into a scum BH. We now have about 100 different reads on this lynch and we have the flip to boot. It wouldn't have been the same if Palmar didn't flip either.
I was tempted to vote some non-entity but that's really really fucking boring and wouldn't be fun.
Palmar - (wishy washy Iamp post, wishy washy Acro post. I call him out that he has no solid scum reads and he has to hunker down and scum read someone. Defaults to Sentinel still, can't see any motivation from sentinel other than scum motivation. He then makes some bs analysis of the wagons acknowledging that his wagon is the most scum motivated one to follow but doesn't use that to reevaluate anything and doesn't question which of the people on the wagon are scummy. He defends Pandain who has literally posted nothing but coaching.
Makes a movement for Rayn to be mafia based on Rayn's activity which hasn't meant anything since a long time now. Doesn't even get what Rayn said correct.
Doesn't even know what Damdred/Rsoul posted about LS. Not interested in figuring out game, instead tried to use others to prove his point.
Wants to vote Conversion because Conversion was lazy but attributes it to mafia motivation instead of just someone being lazy. That's the crux of his entire read. Fakes some floundering on it when Conversion posts some irl excuse, seems pretty forced.
After nothing in between Conversion drops off max scum vote list and is replaced with lurker and policy lynch. Not great at all.)
The former is literally after the lynch happened. The latter is a list post half an hour before the lynch when you've been harping on about Palmar all day. Both are a posteriori justifications rather than actually engaging him. And in particular the latter about when Palmar started scumhunting is quite blatantly false. But we can argue about that until we're both blue in the face, because you'll probably just "no true Scotsman" his scumhunting, just like rayn just did.
No, it is not false. I called Palmar out with the original paragraph where I said I wanted to lynch him, with which you even explicitly said you agreed with. Then Palmar started scum hunting and I thought everything he said was scummy.
Also how have I not interacted with Palmar? Almost everything in my list post case is because I interacted with Palmar to make him elaborate on those mistakes. Unless now you're adding another reason that me being on holiday and not formulating everything into one central place until I actually had time to on a PC is scummy?
Furthermore, none of this makes me mafia in the slightest. I said I was lynching palmar, I outlined my reasons at multiple points and made a case in my reads list, I was pretty sure on the read and he died.
You're calling me mafia for being wrong rather than mafia who made up something to lynch Palmar.
Can you stop spamming defenses and just only post about scum reads. It's not doing you any good and the added page count discourages people.
On March 06 2019 22:01 Tubesock wrote: I’d scum the shit out if HF if he platformed killing Palmar, cased and scumread him, and didn’t kill him. Maybe MAYBE not if he killed scum instead. I think I’d still think he could be scum for killing a lurker mafia.
To me the ONLY plausible reason to scumread HF is because he said he tried to change it. And even that is 50/50 really. Everything else he’s done has been good for town.
People say he has a big ego, you think he thought Palmar was scum and wouldn’t shoot for epic plays???
You voters should be arguing that HF didn’t really believe his Palmar case.
But you can’t cause he did.
This! This is the thing that makes all "HF is scum" believers either retards or mafia.
You're scumming me, but I literally did that.
On March 06 2019 20:50 Acrofales wrote:
I know you're new here, but what the hell is this? Doing "specifically pro-mafia stuff" is stuff town doesn't do. You say it's a bad read, but him killing Palmar was almost entirely off his ego being too big for Palmar to beat him in a mayor election. There isn't even any townie reasoning there, it is entirely based on "goal 1": the town isn't big enough for the two of them, so he kills Palmar. It wasn't a "bad read". It wasn't a read at all.
I don't have time right now to collect all my notes in one place, but this is clearly important. So here is his Palmar case:
On March 04 2019 18:14 Holyflare wrote:
On March 04 2019 18:09 Jockmcplop wrote:
On March 04 2019 18:07 Holyflare wrote: My mayor lynch will be on Palmar by the way.
I can get behind this, but what's the reasoning behind it?
Only talks about town reads, has no suspicions on pretty much anything in the game. Perpetuates nonsense policy lynch after he likes Sentinel's effort when he hasn't even read it. His last post about acro is entirely a wall of hedge whereby he looks like he's falsely weighing up Acro's alignment but really it's wishy washy and says nothing.
His iamp read looks completely bs too for similar reasons to his acro read. Iamp is town but wait here's reasons I can say he's not town later in the game.
None of this is concrete town palmar stuff. There's also the fact we can acknowledge that mafia were pushing for his candidacy if he does flip mafia
This was on sunday evening, when he was mostly right that Palmar hadn't played much yet. But they were both around all of monday, and nothing happened except HF's ego got more hurt:
On March 05 2019 06:38 Holyflare wrote: Palmar (11): Palmar, Ticktock, Meapak_Zipphh, Acrofales, Vivax, WaveofShadow, Grackaroni, Conversion, Alakaslam, Trfel, Blazinghand
How has this guy got 11 people voting for him when his sole policy is only to kill Sentinel who doesn't even look bad?
Almost the entirety, if not THE entirety of this wagon is the sketchiest people in this game. It's even growing!
And this one is blatantly false:
On March 05 2019 07:18 Holyflare wrote: Especially now that more people are actually voting him when he has said nothing else of value.
Like... I did the exercise at the time, and tried to read Palmar as scum. I got through the weekend thinking he might be right, because Palmar posted a policy lynch and a bunch of town reads. I did find he was throwing off townie vibes, but figured it might have been him throwing me a green read to bedazzle me. But all of monday (the above post is made an hour and a bit before deadline), Palmar was deep diving people, engaging people, and hunting scum. Classifying that as "nothing of value" is nonsense.
So no, HF really didn't have much of a case on Palmar at all. Definitely not one that shows conviction, and certainly not one where he is trying to actually figure out if he's right or not. He parked the case on Sunday evening and didn't bother analysing anything Palmar did all of Monday.
Now I get that HF is apparently an egomaniac, but he is completely uncritical of his read. He doesn't return to it, just reiterates any time anybody asks that he will kill Palmar. Lamp and Koshi come to their own conclusions of Palmar. They were obviously wrong, but you can see their thought process and you can see Koshi engage with Palmar about it. Not so at all with HF.
This is pretty misconstrued. Who did Palmar want to kill other than sentinel? Who the fuck knows until right near deadline where he finally posted something and also spammed wiggles. This also isn't all I posted in the slightest:
On March 05 2019 10:03 Holyflare wrote:
On March 05 2019 09:53 marvellosity wrote: HF mate, why did you actually kill Palmar?
I don't want a quote from your posts, just the actual reason(s)
? I thought his early posts were colossally bad. I didn't like how he kept coming up with reasons to read people one way or another that on closer inspection turned out to be massively false and then he'd just brush it away.
This happened with:
Rayn - where he came up with some factually incorrect meta and falsehoods in this game that got disproved and then called out by Rayn himself and Palmar just hand waved it away
LS read - where he tried to further his incorrect point that he must be right on LS because rsoul and damdred agreed with him (and also therefore damdred must be town because they agreed on LS(????????????????)). It turned out neither of them really agreed anymore but he didn't update that read on damdred
At the time I submitted the vote on palmar he had only 2 real attempts at scum reads and they turned out to be hedges instead on both acro and iamp so he really had no scum reads. He only started trying to scum read people after I called him out on it.
Outside of Palmar himself there was an overwhelming wagon building on Palmar's mayorship out of nowhere. He had only stated that he was going to lynch sentinel and then after Sentinel posted not bad walls of text he never updated that read. His wagon kept growing but with nobody really casting doubt on Sentinel further (other than like 1-2 people) so Palmar seemed to be in direct contention with my mayor votes for absolutely no reason whatsoever (I even had sentinel as my lynch policy for a long while).
I ultimately ended up still lynching Palmar:
A) because my vote was locked in and I never really got to change it to BH when your slot and vivax saved him
B) I would much rather have fun with a lynch on a really polarising player to lynch instead of some shitty policy lynch anyway that may or may not have actually turned into a scum BH. We now have about 100 different reads on this lynch and we have the flip to boot. It wouldn't have been the same if Palmar didn't flip either.
I was tempted to vote some non-entity but that's really really fucking boring and wouldn't be fun.
Palmar - (wishy washy Iamp post, wishy washy Acro post. I call him out that he has no solid scum reads and he has to hunker down and scum read someone. Defaults to Sentinel still, can't see any motivation from sentinel other than scum motivation. He then makes some bs analysis of the wagons acknowledging that his wagon is the most scum motivated one to follow but doesn't use that to reevaluate anything and doesn't question which of the people on the wagon are scummy. He defends Pandain who has literally posted nothing but coaching.
Makes a movement for Rayn to be mafia based on Rayn's activity which hasn't meant anything since a long time now. Doesn't even get what Rayn said correct.
Doesn't even know what Damdred/Rsoul posted about LS. Not interested in figuring out game, instead tried to use others to prove his point.
Wants to vote Conversion because Conversion was lazy but attributes it to mafia motivation instead of just someone being lazy. That's the crux of his entire read. Fakes some floundering on it when Conversion posts some irl excuse, seems pretty forced.
After nothing in between Conversion drops off max scum vote list and is replaced with lurker and policy lynch. Not great at all.)
The former is literally after the lynch happened. The latter is a list post half an hour before the lynch when you've been harping on about Palmar all day. Both are a posteriori justifications rather than actually engaging him. And in particular the latter about when Palmar started scumhunting is quite blatantly false. But we can argue about that until we're both blue in the face, because you'll probably just "no true Scotsman" his scumhunting, just like rayn just did.
No, it is not false. I called Palmar out with the original paragraph where I said I wanted to lynch him, with which you even explicitly said you agreed with. Then Palmar started scum hunting and I thought everything he said was scummy.
Also how have I not interacted with Palmar? Almost everything in my list post case is because I interacted with Palmar to make him elaborate on those mistakes. Unless now you're adding another reason that me being on holiday and not formulating everything into one central place until I actually had time to on a PC is scummy?
Furthermore, none of this makes me mafia in the slightest. I said I was lynching palmar, I outlined my reasons at multiple points and made a case in my reads list, I was pretty sure on the read and he died.
You're calling me mafia for being wrong rather than mafia who made up something to lynch Palmar.
Can you stop spamming defenses and just only post about scum reads. It's not doing you any good and the added page count discourages people.
Hello Grack, feel free to comment on any number of cases I've previously posted before people derailed me. I made a big post on exo/people off wagon around the d1 lynch. Can't remember if you commented on it.
On March 07 2019 00:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Grackaroni i gotta leave for work soon so i have to ask you if you accept my explanation or not so i know if i have to come back at it later.
I don't really like it but I don't think there's any arguing we would do that would change my opinion. To me it just seems like you ignored the scumhunting posts and tried to lynch him based on your earlier case of Palmar, which I think is either scum or bad town play.
I'd be much more interested about hearing about this though when you get back from work:
On March 06 2019 14:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am sorry i can't see Sentinel being mafia with his posting having been in a mafia team with him once.
On March 06 2019 22:01 Tubesock wrote: I’d scum the shit out if HF if he platformed killing Palmar, cased and scumread him, and didn’t kill him. Maybe MAYBE not if he killed scum instead. I think I’d still think he could be scum for killing a lurker mafia.
To me the ONLY plausible reason to scumread HF is because he said he tried to change it. And even that is 50/50 really. Everything else he’s done has been good for town.
People say he has a big ego, you think he thought Palmar was scum and wouldn’t shoot for epic plays???
You voters should be arguing that HF didn’t really believe his Palmar case.
But you can’t cause he did.
This! This is the thing that makes all "HF is scum" believers either retards or mafia.
You're scumming me, but I literally did that.
On March 06 2019 20:50 Acrofales wrote:
I know you're new here, but what the hell is this? Doing "specifically pro-mafia stuff" is stuff town doesn't do. You say it's a bad read, but him killing Palmar was almost entirely off his ego being too big for Palmar to beat him in a mayor election. There isn't even any townie reasoning there, it is entirely based on "goal 1": the town isn't big enough for the two of them, so he kills Palmar. It wasn't a "bad read". It wasn't a read at all.
I don't have time right now to collect all my notes in one place, but this is clearly important. So here is his Palmar case:
On March 04 2019 18:14 Holyflare wrote:
On March 04 2019 18:09 Jockmcplop wrote: [quote]
I can get behind this, but what's the reasoning behind it?
Only talks about town reads, has no suspicions on pretty much anything in the game. Perpetuates nonsense policy lynch after he likes Sentinel's effort when he hasn't even read it. His last post about acro is entirely a wall of hedge whereby he looks like he's falsely weighing up Acro's alignment but really it's wishy washy and says nothing.
His iamp read looks completely bs too for similar reasons to his acro read. Iamp is town but wait here's reasons I can say he's not town later in the game.
None of this is concrete town palmar stuff. There's also the fact we can acknowledge that mafia were pushing for his candidacy if he does flip mafia
This was on sunday evening, when he was mostly right that Palmar hadn't played much yet. But they were both around all of monday, and nothing happened except HF's ego got more hurt:
On March 05 2019 06:38 Holyflare wrote: Palmar (11): Palmar, Ticktock, Meapak_Zipphh, Acrofales, Vivax, WaveofShadow, Grackaroni, Conversion, Alakaslam, Trfel, Blazinghand
How has this guy got 11 people voting for him when his sole policy is only to kill Sentinel who doesn't even look bad?
Almost the entirety, if not THE entirety of this wagon is the sketchiest people in this game. It's even growing!
And this one is blatantly false:
On March 05 2019 07:18 Holyflare wrote: Especially now that more people are actually voting him when he has said nothing else of value.
Like... I did the exercise at the time, and tried to read Palmar as scum. I got through the weekend thinking he might be right, because Palmar posted a policy lynch and a bunch of town reads. I did find he was throwing off townie vibes, but figured it might have been him throwing me a green read to bedazzle me. But all of monday (the above post is made an hour and a bit before deadline), Palmar was deep diving people, engaging people, and hunting scum. Classifying that as "nothing of value" is nonsense.
So no, HF really didn't have much of a case on Palmar at all. Definitely not one that shows conviction, and certainly not one where he is trying to actually figure out if he's right or not. He parked the case on Sunday evening and didn't bother analysing anything Palmar did all of Monday.
Now I get that HF is apparently an egomaniac, but he is completely uncritical of his read. He doesn't return to it, just reiterates any time anybody asks that he will kill Palmar. Lamp and Koshi come to their own conclusions of Palmar. They were obviously wrong, but you can see their thought process and you can see Koshi engage with Palmar about it. Not so at all with HF.
This is pretty misconstrued. Who did Palmar want to kill other than sentinel? Who the fuck knows until right near deadline where he finally posted something and also spammed wiggles. This also isn't all I posted in the slightest:
On March 05 2019 10:03 Holyflare wrote:
On March 05 2019 09:53 marvellosity wrote: HF mate, why did you actually kill Palmar?
I don't want a quote from your posts, just the actual reason(s)
? I thought his early posts were colossally bad. I didn't like how he kept coming up with reasons to read people one way or another that on closer inspection turned out to be massively false and then he'd just brush it away.
This happened with:
Rayn - where he came up with some factually incorrect meta and falsehoods in this game that got disproved and then called out by Rayn himself and Palmar just hand waved it away
LS read - where he tried to further his incorrect point that he must be right on LS because rsoul and damdred agreed with him (and also therefore damdred must be town because they agreed on LS(????????????????)). It turned out neither of them really agreed anymore but he didn't update that read on damdred
At the time I submitted the vote on palmar he had only 2 real attempts at scum reads and they turned out to be hedges instead on both acro and iamp so he really had no scum reads. He only started trying to scum read people after I called him out on it.
Outside of Palmar himself there was an overwhelming wagon building on Palmar's mayorship out of nowhere. He had only stated that he was going to lynch sentinel and then after Sentinel posted not bad walls of text he never updated that read. His wagon kept growing but with nobody really casting doubt on Sentinel further (other than like 1-2 people) so Palmar seemed to be in direct contention with my mayor votes for absolutely no reason whatsoever (I even had sentinel as my lynch policy for a long while).
I ultimately ended up still lynching Palmar:
A) because my vote was locked in and I never really got to change it to BH when your slot and vivax saved him
B) I would much rather have fun with a lynch on a really polarising player to lynch instead of some shitty policy lynch anyway that may or may not have actually turned into a scum BH. We now have about 100 different reads on this lynch and we have the flip to boot. It wouldn't have been the same if Palmar didn't flip either.
I was tempted to vote some non-entity but that's really really fucking boring and wouldn't be fun.
Palmar - (wishy washy Iamp post, wishy washy Acro post. I call him out that he has no solid scum reads and he has to hunker down and scum read someone. Defaults to Sentinel still, can't see any motivation from sentinel other than scum motivation. He then makes some bs analysis of the wagons acknowledging that his wagon is the most scum motivated one to follow but doesn't use that to reevaluate anything and doesn't question which of the people on the wagon are scummy. He defends Pandain who has literally posted nothing but coaching.
Makes a movement for Rayn to be mafia based on Rayn's activity which hasn't meant anything since a long time now. Doesn't even get what Rayn said correct.
Doesn't even know what Damdred/Rsoul posted about LS. Not interested in figuring out game, instead tried to use others to prove his point.
Wants to vote Conversion because Conversion was lazy but attributes it to mafia motivation instead of just someone being lazy. That's the crux of his entire read. Fakes some floundering on it when Conversion posts some irl excuse, seems pretty forced.
After nothing in between Conversion drops off max scum vote list and is replaced with lurker and policy lynch. Not great at all.)
The former is literally after the lynch happened. The latter is a list post half an hour before the lynch when you've been harping on about Palmar all day. Both are a posteriori justifications rather than actually engaging him. And in particular the latter about when Palmar started scumhunting is quite blatantly false. But we can argue about that until we're both blue in the face, because you'll probably just "no true Scotsman" his scumhunting, just like rayn just did.
No, it is not false. I called Palmar out with the original paragraph where I said I wanted to lynch him, with which you even explicitly said you agreed with. Then Palmar started scum hunting and I thought everything he said was scummy.
Also how have I not interacted with Palmar? Almost everything in my list post case is because I interacted with Palmar to make him elaborate on those mistakes. Unless now you're adding another reason that me being on holiday and not formulating everything into one central place until I actually had time to on a PC is scummy?
Furthermore, none of this makes me mafia in the slightest. I said I was lynching palmar, I outlined my reasons at multiple points and made a case in my reads list, I was pretty sure on the read and he died.
You're calling me mafia for being wrong rather than mafia who made up something to lynch Palmar.
Can you stop spamming defenses and just only post about scum reads. It's not doing you any good and the added page count discourages people.
Hello Grack, feel free to comment on any number of cases I've previously posted before people derailed me. I made a big post on exo/people off wagon around the d1 lynch. Can't remember if you commented on it.
My dear Holyflare I must confess I have not.
I will check it out.
I don't have much to say about it. Exo's EOD post was bad and I don't doubt there are off-wagon scum.
On March 07 2019 01:58 WaveofShadow wrote: Hmm here's a question. Lightningstrike you repeated about 100 times that 'I have your axe' yesterday, but I don't be seein' no axe.
Acro's immediate vote drop is what I expected from you. What gives?
On March 04 2019 02:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote: HF came up with the idea first, but I'm not sure whether I trust HF more to follow through compared to Palmar, especially if HF starts coming up with more cases. Might be the case that they deviate at the last minute and cause a bunch of chaos. In that sense, I like Palmar for mayor because he's colder.
My vote will never be on anyone other than Sentinel as mayor. If he claims a role pm being read then it will be on whoever is the second highest vote, as I've stated. I don't think I'm a "wild cannon" like you purport. More so Palmar will be just doing what he wants and that is far more detrimental when he self reportedly doesn't play weekends and has only really come up with a Sentinel policy lynch and some mediocre writings (although not awful to read, just no drive).
On March 07 2019 02:22 rsoultin wrote: @tictock Please clarify for me your MZ/Grack reads since start of game.
I haven't read anything new from them, so not sure what you expect.
Meap jumped at at me initially for being pretty blendy and seemed more like he was posting to look like he was doing things rather than actually trying to do things.
I have seen extremely little of Grack, and I don't get where his head is at at all from what posts I have seen. Since I recall being able to townread him extremely easily in the "Bastard Hosts game" (forget the actual name), where Grack-Darth-I got basically Mason'd for forming a town circle, this Grack feels very off to me. Just get the vibe he is clunky and unsure of how to approach the game, which suggest scum to me.
To be fair you/me/DF all played much differently in that game than this one.
Honestly Oats I get the impression that you want to seem tough and challenge everything I say but the more you do it the less I trust that you haven't just decided to use me as a punching bag to contribute this game.
On March 07 2019 02:39 Grackaroni wrote: Honestly Oats I get the impression that you want to seem tough and challenge everything I say but the more you do it the less I trust that you haven't just decided to use me as a punching bag to contribute this game.
Yeah this bigggg punching bag with like 5 pages and low activity is real useful. Not at all like if I was mafia I can talk about like half the shitty lurkers in this game that aren’t mafia
Yeah and that didn't work out very well at the start of the game now did it.
On March 07 2019 02:39 Grackaroni wrote: Honestly Oats I get the impression that you want to seem tough and challenge everything I say but the more you do it the less I trust that you haven't just decided to use me as a punching bag to contribute this game.
Yeah this bigggg punching bag with like 5 pages and low activity is real useful. Not at all like if I was mafia I can talk about like half the shitty lurkers in this game that aren’t mafia
Yeah and that didn't work out very well at the start of the game now did it.
By didn’t work out very well you mean what exactly?
All of the people voting you before you started going on the Grack crusade.
But anyway I'm not actually all that interested in you. I'm just sick of you snickering at my posts and challenging everything I say with something that half the time only you can possibly think makes sense.
On March 06 2019 18:52 Tubesock wrote: I’m 180ing on my Acrofales townread. I think the anger at HF is faked and made to look like he has a legitimate reason to lynch HF. I don’t see how someone can be that angry about something that they knew would happen. HF said he’d kill Palmar most the day, it was pretty clear. I’d expect the anger at the HF voters, where it should go. (Exactly like the trump wall).
People often say that people do things are either stupid or mafia. If Acrofales really thought HF was mafia, he’d just be spouting how HF is mafia with evidence, and the voters are the retards. But no, he knows HF is town, so he’ll say let’s kill him for being antiTown. I’d rather a town HF that fucks up, than a dead town HF. Plus, that would have been such a great play if Palmar was mafia. Would have been an epic play in the last tl game. Wiggles, you’ve been scumming me since before I even scummed Trfel. Yet you’ve never voted me. Why not? You seem pretty convinced, you have some others who agree. Think about what you say because I’m going to have great satisfaction copy and pasting things from your case on me in my defense.
Seriously everyone stop what you're doing and read all of Oatsmaster's filter. It is snarky comment, followed by asshole question throughout the entire filter EXCEPT for one point, where he very clearly seems to be making conversation with Wiggles for no reason but because they're both online and want to distance:
Why isn’t Palmar, Blazinghand, Rels, onegu, pandain, darthFoley, etc on this list too? Are these that much different than straight policy lynches?
I think he asked this question to make Acro seem scummy for pushing low-content posters, and that conflicts with the way that Tubesock has been playing the game so far.
On March 03 2019 17:59 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 13:47 Tictock wrote: Ok, I came, I saw, I did some things. Seems like ppl are not around so gunna do other things. May check in once more before bed but I am pretty sure I am not going to fully read the stuff I missed.
I'd like someone who is wanting to lynch oats to convince me why he is scum.
Similarly as to why ppl are voting HF for mayor.
If deadline was right now/soon I would push for Meap or Grack to lynch.
You know HF was going to mayor lynch [UoN]Sentinel before it was cool right? So, the difference between HF and Palmar is HF has actually played so far and given plenty of opinions. And exactly like Chezinu said, latching onto this Sentinel policy is right up Palmars alley if both were scum. And absolutely worth it. Plus Palmar doesn’t have to do anything else, talk about skating by.
Vote HF for mayor for the Sentinel kill, ##VOTE: Palmarso he actually plays. Town win wins.
On March 04 2019 01:07 Tubesock wrote: I’m voting Trfl. Maybe he will come play.
If Tubesock is town I don't see why he should be questioning Acro's lynch choices considering his own so far.
I think this is a bad post. It's quite obvious why he questions acros posts because there's no distinction between any of those other players.
What do you think of Tubesock's deflection of my pressure earlier in the game?
On March 03 2019 06:01 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:41 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:25 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:05 Tubesock wrote: There isn’t anyone I want to lynch.
If I were mayor I’d sheep Holyflare most likely for the 2nd lynch.
I'm thinking I'd like to lynch you!
Or are you making this guy mayor, Ace?
That’s fair. I can vote HF for mayor sure. I don’t see how you could get me wanting Ace mayor out of what I said.
You were one of the two names Ace threw out to make someone non-contributing mayor.
Figure you're reading closely enough to say what you'd do as mayor, which no one else had mentioned but Ace, but still don't want to put forward an opinion about anyone.
Reads scummy to me.
When I have a lynch target I’ll let everyone one know. Do you want an opinion from me?
Am I and Conversion your only scumreads? Who do you want for mayor and why?
Yeah, I'd like to see some sort of contribution from you. What makes you want to support HF for mayor? Is it a scumread on Sentinel or some kind of policy lynch? You don't make that clear.
I'm cool lynching scummy people just trying to coast by on the first day without needing to stick their necks out too much. That's people like you so far, and Conversion who's re-hashing the same argument with MZ instead of moving to anything else. Guys like Acrofales and and Sent fall into this bucket for me right now too.
I'm not super thrilled with any of the mayoral candidates so far. I like HF the most from the people who've thrown their hat in since some of our reads jive. Disagree with him about Chez, his play seems par for the course from what I remember.
I asked for some kind of read, and instead got an answer of "later". I responded to their own questions and was ignored when they returned to the thread. Their posting has been very non-committal, and they still haven't really pushed a lynch target yet. The pressure votes don't come out and say, "I think this guy is scum", but are hedged as an activity motivator.
I'd like to hear more takes from others as well. Tubesock doesn't seem to get brought up much, so they're sliding by without much attention. They still haven't produced a hard read either.
Do you have an alignment read on ace from that exchanges
Why isn’t Palmar, Blazinghand, Rels, onegu, pandain, darthFoley, etc on this list too? Are these that much different than straight policy lynches?
I think he asked this question to make Acro seem scummy for pushing low-content posters, and that conflicts with the way that Tubesock has been playing the game so far.
On March 03 2019 17:59 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 13:47 Tictock wrote: Ok, I came, I saw, I did some things. Seems like ppl are not around so gunna do other things. May check in once more before bed but I am pretty sure I am not going to fully read the stuff I missed.
I'd like someone who is wanting to lynch oats to convince me why he is scum.
Similarly as to why ppl are voting HF for mayor.
If deadline was right now/soon I would push for Meap or Grack to lynch.
You know HF was going to mayor lynch [UoN]Sentinel before it was cool right? So, the difference between HF and Palmar is HF has actually played so far and given plenty of opinions. And exactly like Chezinu said, latching onto this Sentinel policy is right up Palmars alley if both were scum. And absolutely worth it. Plus Palmar doesn’t have to do anything else, talk about skating by.
Vote HF for mayor for the Sentinel kill, ##VOTE: Palmarso he actually plays. Town win wins.
On March 04 2019 01:07 Tubesock wrote: I’m voting Trfl. Maybe he will come play.
If Tubesock is town I don't see why he should be questioning Acro's lynch choices considering his own so far.
I think this is a bad post. It's quite obvious why he questions acros posts because there's no distinction between any of those other players.
What do you think of Tubesock's deflection of my pressure earlier in the game?
On March 03 2019 06:01 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:41 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:25 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote: [quote] I'm thinking I'd like to lynch you!
Or are you making this guy mayor, Ace?
That’s fair. I can vote HF for mayor sure. I don’t see how you could get me wanting Ace mayor out of what I said.
You were one of the two names Ace threw out to make someone non-contributing mayor.
Figure you're reading closely enough to say what you'd do as mayor, which no one else had mentioned but Ace, but still don't want to put forward an opinion about anyone.
Reads scummy to me.
When I have a lynch target I’ll let everyone one know. Do you want an opinion from me?
Am I and Conversion your only scumreads? Who do you want for mayor and why?
Yeah, I'd like to see some sort of contribution from you. What makes you want to support HF for mayor? Is it a scumread on Sentinel or some kind of policy lynch? You don't make that clear.
I'm cool lynching scummy people just trying to coast by on the first day without needing to stick their necks out too much. That's people like you so far, and Conversion who's re-hashing the same argument with MZ instead of moving to anything else. Guys like Acrofales and and Sent fall into this bucket for me right now too.
I'm not super thrilled with any of the mayoral candidates so far. I like HF the most from the people who've thrown their hat in since some of our reads jive. Disagree with him about Chez, his play seems par for the course from what I remember.
I asked for some kind of read, and instead got an answer of "later". I responded to their own questions and was ignored when they returned to the thread. Their posting has been very non-committal, and they still haven't really pushed a lynch target yet. The pressure votes don't come out and say, "I think this guy is scum", but are hedged as an activity motivator.
I'd like to hear more takes from others as well. Tubesock doesn't seem to get brought up much, so they're sliding by without much attention. They still haven't produced a hard read either.
Do you have an alignment read on ace from that exchanges
I lean soft town on Ace so far. What I was sensing made sense to me, assuming I got it, and his other posting doesn't strike me as scum play.
Can you speculate the town reason for his proposal of how we should vote mayors in?
I think I'm picking up what you're putting down, Ace. We're being oblique, so I hope I'm not too far off base.
Gonna move that mayor vote.
oops
you wanna expand on this Wiggles? your play interests me so far. What do you think of tube now after scumreading him earlier
More or less reading that there's information to be gained outside of the policy lynch. That wagon should be dead now anyways.
Still reading scum on Tubesock. Don't think HF saw this earlier when I asked for comment:
On March 04 2019 05:49 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 04 2019 05:41 Holyflare wrote:
On March 04 2019 05:33 Grackaroni wrote: I think we should lynch Tubesock for this post:
On March 03 2019 18:23 Tubesock wrote: [quote]
Why isn’t Palmar, Blazinghand, Rels, onegu, pandain, darthFoley, etc on this list too? Are these that much different than straight policy lynches?
I think he asked this question to make Acro seem scummy for pushing low-content posters, and that conflicts with the way that Tubesock has been playing the game so far.
On March 03 2019 17:59 Tubesock wrote: [quote]
You know HF was going to mayor lynch [UoN]Sentinel before it was cool right? So, the difference between HF and Palmar is HF has actually played so far and given plenty of opinions. And exactly like Chezinu said, latching onto this Sentinel policy is right up Palmars alley if both were scum. And absolutely worth it. Plus Palmar doesn’t have to do anything else, talk about skating by.
Vote HF for mayor for the Sentinel kill, ##VOTE: Palmarso he actually plays. Town win wins.
On March 04 2019 01:07 Tubesock wrote: I’m voting Trfl. Maybe he will come play.
If Tubesock is town I don't see why he should be questioning Acro's lynch choices considering his own so far.
I think this is a bad post. It's quite obvious why he questions acros posts because there's no distinction between any of those other players.
What do you think of Tubesock's deflection of my pressure earlier in the game?
On March 03 2019 06:01 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:41 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote: [quote] You were one of the two names Ace threw out to make someone non-contributing mayor.
Figure you're reading closely enough to say what you'd do as mayor, which no one else had mentioned but Ace, but still don't want to put forward an opinion about anyone.
Reads scummy to me.
When I have a lynch target I’ll let everyone one know. Do you want an opinion from me?
Am I and Conversion your only scumreads? Who do you want for mayor and why?
Yeah, I'd like to see some sort of contribution from you. What makes you want to support HF for mayor? Is it a scumread on Sentinel or some kind of policy lynch? You don't make that clear.
I'm cool lynching scummy people just trying to coast by on the first day without needing to stick their necks out too much. That's people like you so far, and Conversion who's re-hashing the same argument with MZ instead of moving to anything else. Guys like Acrofales and and Sent fall into this bucket for me right now too.
I'm not super thrilled with any of the mayoral candidates so far. I like HF the most from the people who've thrown their hat in since some of our reads jive. Disagree with him about Chez, his play seems par for the course from what I remember.
I asked for some kind of read, and instead got an answer of "later". I responded to their own questions and was ignored when they returned to the thread. Their posting has been very non-committal, and they still haven't really pushed a lynch target yet. The pressure votes don't come out and say, "I think this guy is scum", but are hedged as an activity motivator.
I'd like to hear more takes from others as well. Tubesock doesn't seem to get brought up much, so they're sliding by without much attention. They still haven't produced a hard read either.
Do you have an alignment read on ace from that exchanges
I lean soft town on Ace so far. What I was sensing made sense to me, assuming I got it, and his other posting doesn't strike me as scum play.
Can you speculate the town reason for his proposal of how we should vote mayors in?
I suspect it was something of a bait to check reactions. As to what he was looking for exactly, I think he'd need to answer that himself. I get the feeling he was having a laugh too, like some of the other entry posts.
It's the lack of follow through or trying to push it that doesn't push it into scum territory for me. There was the one post about it, some reactions, and it didn't eat up a bunch of thread space with back and forth.
i mean, it gained 0 traction and a ton of backlash, why bother pushing it or following up on it. Unless it was a straight up joke post which i doubt, town Ace wouldve felt some ownership towards the case
On March 04 2019 14:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote: What do you think of the Acro case Oats?
I've been going back re-reading his posts and the case on him, but I'm having trouble making up my mind. I'll probably sleep on it and re-read again in the morning.
I wanna lynch Acro yeah lol
This is so out of character from the rest of how Oats acts in his filter.
I'm sticking with this 100%
On March 07 2019 02:06 Grackaroni wrote: I'm reading through Wiggles' filter now.
I have a strong suspicion that if he is scum that I can find the entire mafia team from associations in his filter.
On March 05 2019 05:44 Oatsmaster wrote: I wanna say wriggles is town because everyone is literally ignoring him but he’s still trying his best
On March 06 2019 01:55 Oatsmaster wrote: Looking at Mr wriggles filter, he’s about as bland as a bowl of porridge. He doesn’t put himself out there, doesn’t really seem interested in finding scum and is kinda cruising doing whatever, take some real fencesitting reads. mafia
It also took me longer to find relevant quotes that I knew I read before I realized that my search is off because he calls him Wriggles.
On March 07 2019 03:37 Grackaroni wrote: Wiggles and Oats
Seriously everyone stop what you're doing and read all of Oatsmaster's filter. It is snarky comment, followed by asshole question throughout the entire filter EXCEPT for one point, where he very clearly seems to be making conversation with Wiggles for no reason but because they're both online and want to distance:
On March 04 2019 13:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 04 2019 05:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I think I'm picking up what you're putting down, Ace. We're being oblique, so I hope I'm not too far off base.
Gonna move that mayor vote.
oops
you wanna expand on this Wiggles? your play interests me so far. What do you think of tube now after scumreading him earlier
On March 04 2019 13:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 04 2019 13:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 04 2019 13:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 04 2019 05:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I think I'm picking up what you're putting down, Ace. We're being oblique, so I hope I'm not too far off base.
Gonna move that mayor vote.
oops
you wanna expand on this Wiggles? your play interests me so far. What do you think of tube now after scumreading him earlier
More or less reading that there's information to be gained outside of the policy lynch. That wagon should be dead now anyways.
Still reading scum on Tubesock. Don't think HF saw this earlier when I asked for comment:
On March 04 2019 05:49 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 04 2019 05:41 Holyflare wrote:
On March 04 2019 05:33 Grackaroni wrote: I think we should lynch Tubesock for this post:
Why isn’t Palmar, Blazinghand, Rels, onegu, pandain, darthFoley, etc on this list too? Are these that much different than straight policy lynches?
I think he asked this question to make Acro seem scummy for pushing low-content posters, and that conflicts with the way that Tubesock has been playing the game so far.
On March 03 2019 17:59 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 13:47 Tictock wrote: Ok, I came, I saw, I did some things. Seems like ppl are not around so gunna do other things. May check in once more before bed but I am pretty sure I am not going to fully read the stuff I missed.
I'd like someone who is wanting to lynch oats to convince me why he is scum.
Similarly as to why ppl are voting HF for mayor.
If deadline was right now/soon I would push for Meap or Grack to lynch.
You know HF was going to mayor lynch [UoN]Sentinel before it was cool right? So, the difference between HF and Palmar is HF has actually played so far and given plenty of opinions. And exactly like Chezinu said, latching onto this Sentinel policy is right up Palmars alley if both were scum. And absolutely worth it. Plus Palmar doesn’t have to do anything else, talk about skating by.
Vote HF for mayor for the Sentinel kill, ##VOTE: Palmarso he actually plays. Town win wins.
On March 04 2019 01:07 Tubesock wrote: I’m voting Trfl. Maybe he will come play.
If Tubesock is town I don't see why he should be questioning Acro's lynch choices considering his own so far.
I think this is a bad post. It's quite obvious why he questions acros posts because there's no distinction between any of those other players.
What do you think of Tubesock's deflection of my pressure earlier in the game?
On March 03 2019 06:01 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:41 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:25 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote: [quote] I'm thinking I'd like to lynch you!
Or are you making this guy mayor, Ace?
That’s fair. I can vote HF for mayor sure. I don’t see how you could get me wanting Ace mayor out of what I said.
You were one of the two names Ace threw out to make someone non-contributing mayor.
Figure you're reading closely enough to say what you'd do as mayor, which no one else had mentioned but Ace, but still don't want to put forward an opinion about anyone.
Reads scummy to me.
When I have a lynch target I’ll let everyone one know. Do you want an opinion from me?
Am I and Conversion your only scumreads? Who do you want for mayor and why?
Yeah, I'd like to see some sort of contribution from you. What makes you want to support HF for mayor? Is it a scumread on Sentinel or some kind of policy lynch? You don't make that clear.
I'm cool lynching scummy people just trying to coast by on the first day without needing to stick their necks out too much. That's people like you so far, and Conversion who's re-hashing the same argument with MZ instead of moving to anything else. Guys like Acrofales and and Sent fall into this bucket for me right now too.
I'm not super thrilled with any of the mayoral candidates so far. I like HF the most from the people who've thrown their hat in since some of our reads jive. Disagree with him about Chez, his play seems par for the course from what I remember.
I asked for some kind of read, and instead got an answer of "later". I responded to their own questions and was ignored when they returned to the thread. Their posting has been very non-committal, and they still haven't really pushed a lynch target yet. The pressure votes don't come out and say, "I think this guy is scum", but are hedged as an activity motivator.
I'd like to hear more takes from others as well. Tubesock doesn't seem to get brought up much, so they're sliding by without much attention. They still haven't produced a hard read either.
Do you have an alignment read on ace from that exchanges
On March 04 2019 14:03 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 04 2019 13:54 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 04 2019 13:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 04 2019 13:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 04 2019 13:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 04 2019 05:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I think I'm picking up what you're putting down, Ace. We're being oblique, so I hope I'm not too far off base.
Gonna move that mayor vote.
oops
you wanna expand on this Wiggles? your play interests me so far. What do you think of tube now after scumreading him earlier
More or less reading that there's information to be gained outside of the policy lynch. That wagon should be dead now anyways.
Still reading scum on Tubesock. Don't think HF saw this earlier when I asked for comment:
On March 04 2019 05:49 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 04 2019 05:41 Holyflare wrote:
On March 04 2019 05:33 Grackaroni wrote: I think we should lynch Tubesock for this post:
On March 03 2019 18:23 Tubesock wrote: [quote]
Why isn’t Palmar, Blazinghand, Rels, onegu, pandain, darthFoley, etc on this list too? Are these that much different than straight policy lynches?
I think he asked this question to make Acro seem scummy for pushing low-content posters, and that conflicts with the way that Tubesock has been playing the game so far.
On March 03 2019 17:59 Tubesock wrote: [quote]
You know HF was going to mayor lynch [UoN]Sentinel before it was cool right? So, the difference between HF and Palmar is HF has actually played so far and given plenty of opinions. And exactly like Chezinu said, latching onto this Sentinel policy is right up Palmars alley if both were scum. And absolutely worth it. Plus Palmar doesn’t have to do anything else, talk about skating by.
Vote HF for mayor for the Sentinel kill, ##VOTE: Palmarso he actually plays. Town win wins.
On March 04 2019 01:07 Tubesock wrote: I’m voting Trfl. Maybe he will come play.
If Tubesock is town I don't see why he should be questioning Acro's lynch choices considering his own so far.
I think this is a bad post. It's quite obvious why he questions acros posts because there's no distinction between any of those other players.
What do you think of Tubesock's deflection of my pressure earlier in the game?
On March 03 2019 06:01 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:41 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote: [quote] You were one of the two names Ace threw out to make someone non-contributing mayor.
Figure you're reading closely enough to say what you'd do as mayor, which no one else had mentioned but Ace, but still don't want to put forward an opinion about anyone.
Reads scummy to me.
When I have a lynch target I’ll let everyone one know. Do you want an opinion from me?
Am I and Conversion your only scumreads? Who do you want for mayor and why?
Yeah, I'd like to see some sort of contribution from you. What makes you want to support HF for mayor? Is it a scumread on Sentinel or some kind of policy lynch? You don't make that clear.
I'm cool lynching scummy people just trying to coast by on the first day without needing to stick their necks out too much. That's people like you so far, and Conversion who's re-hashing the same argument with MZ instead of moving to anything else. Guys like Acrofales and and Sent fall into this bucket for me right now too.
I'm not super thrilled with any of the mayoral candidates so far. I like HF the most from the people who've thrown their hat in since some of our reads jive. Disagree with him about Chez, his play seems par for the course from what I remember.
I asked for some kind of read, and instead got an answer of "later". I responded to their own questions and was ignored when they returned to the thread. Their posting has been very non-committal, and they still haven't really pushed a lynch target yet. The pressure votes don't come out and say, "I think this guy is scum", but are hedged as an activity motivator.
I'd like to hear more takes from others as well. Tubesock doesn't seem to get brought up much, so they're sliding by without much attention. They still haven't produced a hard read either.
Do you have an alignment read on ace from that exchanges
I lean soft town on Ace so far. What I was sensing made sense to me, assuming I got it, and his other posting doesn't strike me as scum play.
Can you speculate the town reason for his proposal of how we should vote mayors in?
On March 04 2019 15:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 04 2019 14:09 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 04 2019 14:03 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 04 2019 13:54 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 04 2019 13:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 04 2019 13:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 04 2019 13:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 04 2019 05:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I think I'm picking up what you're putting down, Ace. We're being oblique, so I hope I'm not too far off base.
Gonna move that mayor vote.
oops
you wanna expand on this Wiggles? your play interests me so far. What do you think of tube now after scumreading him earlier
More or less reading that there's information to be gained outside of the policy lynch. That wagon should be dead now anyways.
Still reading scum on Tubesock. Don't think HF saw this earlier when I asked for comment:
On March 04 2019 05:49 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 04 2019 05:41 Holyflare wrote: [quote]
I think this is a bad post. It's quite obvious why he questions acros posts because there's no distinction between any of those other players.
What do you think of Tubesock's deflection of my pressure earlier in the game?
On March 03 2019 06:01 Mr. Wiggles wrote: [quote] Yeah, I'd like to see some sort of contribution from you. What makes you want to support HF for mayor? Is it a scumread on Sentinel or some kind of policy lynch? You don't make that clear.
I'm cool lynching scummy people just trying to coast by on the first day without needing to stick their necks out too much. That's people like you so far, and Conversion who's re-hashing the same argument with MZ instead of moving to anything else. Guys like Acrofales and and Sent fall into this bucket for me right now too.
I'm not super thrilled with any of the mayoral candidates so far. I like HF the most from the people who've thrown their hat in since some of our reads jive. Disagree with him about Chez, his play seems par for the course from what I remember.
I asked for some kind of read, and instead got an answer of "later". I responded to their own questions and was ignored when they returned to the thread. Their posting has been very non-committal, and they still haven't really pushed a lynch target yet. The pressure votes don't come out and say, "I think this guy is scum", but are hedged as an activity motivator.
I'd like to hear more takes from others as well. Tubesock doesn't seem to get brought up much, so they're sliding by without much attention. They still haven't produced a hard read either.
Do you have an alignment read on ace from that exchanges
I lean soft town on Ace so far. What I was sensing made sense to me, assuming I got it, and his other posting doesn't strike me as scum play.
Can you speculate the town reason for his proposal of how we should vote mayors in?
I suspect it was something of a bait to check reactions. As to what he was looking for exactly, I think he'd need to answer that himself. I get the feeling he was having a laugh too, like some of the other entry posts.
It's the lack of follow through or trying to push it that doesn't push it into scum territory for me. There was the one post about it, some reactions, and it didn't eat up a bunch of thread space with back and forth.
i mean, it gained 0 traction and a ton of backlash, why bother pushing it or following up on it. Unless it was a straight up joke post which i doubt, town Ace wouldve felt some ownership towards the case
On March 04 2019 15:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 04 2019 14:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote: What do you think of the Acro case Oats?
I've been going back re-reading his posts and the case on him, but I'm having trouble making up my mind. I'll probably sleep on it and re-read again in the morning.
I wanna lynch Acro yeah lol
This is so out of character from the rest of how Oats acts in his filter.
I'm sticking with this 100%
On March 07 2019 02:06 Grackaroni wrote: I'm reading through Wiggles' filter now.
I have a strong suspicion that if he is scum that I can find the entire mafia team from associations in his filter.
On March 05 2019 05:44 Oatsmaster wrote: I wanna say wriggles is town because everyone is literally ignoring him but he’s still trying his best
On March 06 2019 01:55 Oatsmaster wrote: Looking at Mr wriggles filter, he’s about as bland as a bowl of porridge. He doesn’t put himself out there, doesn’t really seem interested in finding scum and is kinda cruising doing whatever, take some real fencesitting reads. mafia
It also took me longer to find relevant quotes that I knew I read before I realized that my search is off because he calls him Wriggles.
Out of character being I make some posts and generally ask some soft questions, how does that make me scum?
Secondly, why bother having such an inconsistent read on my scumbuddy when I can obviously make it happen much better if I was trying to because he’s under literally no pressure
Anyone can say that for any read: If I was mafia my read would look a lot better.
What I should have asked at the bottom of that is why you liked Wiggles when nobody was paying attention to him and said that he was trying his best and then when people start scum reading him you start shitting on his filter.
On March 07 2019 03:37 Grackaroni wrote: Wiggles and Oats
Seriously everyone stop what you're doing and read all of Oatsmaster's filter. It is snarky comment, followed by asshole question throughout the entire filter ...[...]
Istopped reading here because you just said why Oats is town and has been because of that every game he has been town in.
On March 07 2019 04:13 rsoultin wrote: I don't actually agree with your perception Grack, but I do find it a bit towny that you seem so excited about it lol ><
The one other thing I'd say is that I'm pretty sure the day 1 votes on Oats are all town
HF/Rsoultin/trfes/slam/Acro/Jockmcplolp
The only one I really think might be scum is slam and I have no read on him whatsoever.
On March 07 2019 04:12 Grackaroni wrote: You should take less convincing honestly because you already have a scum read on Wiggles and you can read distancing conversation pretty easily.
I lied i actually read the sentences after. But there is no world where i lynch oats before acro/bh/wiggles. After that, in case wiggles is actually mafia, we can discuss this, i give you that.
On March 07 2019 04:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Grackaroni can you prove my case on Acrofales is somehow not legit?
I'll read through Acro's filter and then respond but my first impression is that it's just a day 1 case of Acro scum reading lots of lurkers that got extended into day 2 out of intertia and it makes me suspect you for pushing it so strongly.
I generally agree with Koshi's point of view on the first point here:
On March 02 2019 19:54 rsoultin wrote: Also, even though I'm using the mayor slot to demonstrate where my townreads are, it's pretty irrelevant. Regardless of who we pick they should just be held accountable for lynching who town wants to lynch -shrugs-
Or are you suggesting rayn that we just leave that to the mayor and not simply use it as a second lynch mechanic?
100% agree with this. Going off this logic Rsoul would be my vote for Mayor.
Also, just enjoying this interaction between Rayn and Rsoul.
On March 02 2019 20:33 Holyflare wrote: If anyone cares my reads align with rsoul. I think. Chez suspicious. Guy posting catch ups was it trfel? Seemed mediocre and not any revelations. Iamp piggybacking me suspicious. Don't care if I like what he's said about people non-posting. That's easy to do.
Didn't like rayn that much tbh. He seems to not be saying much but talking in walls of text and circles.
I dunno I'm sorry I'm a bit shit right now but whatever.
Pretty sure that's me, and I don't give a shit kus you always seem to hate the way I interact with the game.
I also strongly disagree about Rayn, I see him pushing his own thoughts and thinking and explaining why, nothing circular at all.
HF seems to be posting to post and I don't like it, but it's not really a scum read right now. It's just him coasting.
On March 02 2019 20:35 rsoultin wrote: Like for me it breaks down like this:
You've got trolling people. You've got lurking people. You've got lazy people. You've got some overly aggressives that aren't giving me warm fuzzies (MP). You've got people I'm not sure about who when I'm not sure about them have a nasty habit of being scum (Rayn) but because he's burned me so often I'm not sure if that's not where the uncertainty's coming from.
And then you have seemingly excited to play, I respect the shit out of his intelligence Chez playing but not saying anything interesting. That first group can hide a lot of bad town play. But doing something without doing anything ticks off my scum meter to a higher degree.
Rsoul is starting to convince me... Idk. I don't particularly want to lynch Chez myself but I get where her read is coming from, and I am not opposed to a Chez lynch.
#540 Bloody's entry doesn't jive well with me, but mostly due to their reads being pretty opposite to my own. I can sorta see the logic in Bloody's reads, but it's very much in a scum-range of what to post to enter the game. Gut read leans scum, but I think deserves more to be on my watch list.
Speaking of my Watch List, I think it's something like this right now: Meap Grack Jock Mr. Wiggles Acro Bloddy HF (just not comfortable with him just floating around the game making no impact, yet being relatively present)
Rels is also close to being on this list for "playing" but only making a "Hi" post then laughing at something rayn did. He only escapes this list because I know he has actively avoided playing D1 as town in recent games. It's the fact that he tried to play a little but didn't actually that almost has him on it.
I don't agree with much of this, but I do like the post.
1) Rsoultin is posting easy reads and not actually doing much poking. I don't know how she'd go on anybody's town reads so far, and definitely nowhere near mayor material.
2) Cobbler posted some reads and something provocative, and gave time for them to answer. I liked his first post and will wait for more. The fact that he's aggressive seems fine. Not going to do anything meta with it, because the last time I played mafia is probably 4 years ago or so and while I remember playing with Cobbler I can't for the life of me remember his alignment. I do remember him being aggressive tho, but not abusive.
3) Everybody should be on your watch list. We are not even halfway though D1... but if I take it to mean a list of people who are posting suspiciously, the only ones I agree with is Grack. I don't understand the list anyway without justifications.
Grack made a useless list post as first entry and then fucked off again. It seemed quite a lot like scum doing stuff to "seem active". And I remember Grack being quite a useful player, so I agree with you there. The rest? Haven't even seen a post by Wiggles, Meepack seems no worse than most people, and Jock I'd say more clueless town than anything else. Cobbler see above, and HF actually seems to be trying some things too.
Acrofoles is not mafia because he said that he doesnt agree with the post but liked it a lot. This is a clear contradiction that most likely a townoe would make. Mafia would not like it and attack it.
I also like the part he attacks a lot of people with minimal commitment. Looks like town calling how he sees it, while mafia wants to make friends and not attack people.
Also Acrofoles has 4 pages of filter. So why kill him d1 lol. Kill scrubs.
I read 1 post of Acrofoles and decided he is most likely town and if he isnt should be left alive anyway.
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I'm quite liking how my scum team is looking at the moment.
The BH vote count doesn't surprise me. Like I said earlier mafia weren't going to shy away from bussing him based on how he was playing. If Sentinel is mafia then the mayor election was the election that actually mattered.
The only person I've seen who is even close to having the same mafia team as me is Vivax, so I guess I'll have to count on him if town is going to do well today.
I'd take Tumble/TS/SL as less sure potential mafia to add on to that. That list should probably have close to all of the mafia.
On March 04 2019 14:48 WaveofShadow wrote: Lean scum on Pandain for earlier weird commitment on Ace. I'd say solid vig target like MZ just said, and hell, just to introduce some WIFOM shoot him instead of me because I might be more likely to put in some effort at some point?
Statistically speaking I feel like there must be scum amongst the bigger voices this game. Doesn't feel like Iamp to me, and I can't read Holyflare basically ever. Not sure who that leaves but I figure I'll actually resort to a filter dive at some point.
HF is never scum here. If one of us is scum and the other isn't we tear each other apart. I'm not sure if both are scum...I can't remember playing scum with him but chipmunk memory.
It's actually super exciting lol >< it's been forever since we both rolled town.
And apart from the rsoul-focused reason, there's also how he handled the argument with rayn. Scum HF just keeps tearing and tearing, town HF backs off and tries to understand people after his stubborn argumentative streak is appeased. So.
I mostly agree with you.
Not sold on lamp. His main contribution is hounding me all game so far, so I know he is at least very very wrong. Still gotta figure out whether that's because he's being an idiot or just picked a target and stuck with it because it's easier as scum than actually reading the thread. Especially this huge one...
Thoughts on Palmar then?
I liked his strong drive for policy lynching sentinel. I'm a bit concerned about his lack of any follow up since his pressure worked to get sentinel to read his PM and actually play a bit. I'm still cutting him for mayor as I sure as fuck aren't cutting to get myself killed by HF.
Is he who you think would make the best mayor, or just the mayor you want so you don't die?
If you could pick anybody other than yourself to be mayor, who would it be?
Right now? Holyflare if he didn't want me dead.
So HF wants you dead, but you're sure HF is town? If you are Town, isn't him wanting you dead a sign he might not be town? Explain why you think he's town if you're also town.
I'm not sure he's town, but town being wrong doesn't make me suddenly think they're scum. It makes me think they're wrong. Other than that his posting has mostly been of someone trying to get information flowing and he seems interested in pulling threads and seeing where they lead. I like that.
But I'd vote HF over some others, who I have a stronger townreads on than HF, as I don't trust their judgement. I'd rather not put them in a place where they kill a townie and then we spend all of D2 arguing over whether it was a mistake or malice. I'd much rather do that with someone like HF, or especially Palmar, as I trust their ability to kill scum D1 a lot more than my stronger town reads.
And that's why I'm still voting Palmar for mayor because even if I'm not confident he's town: if he is, I trust his judgement. I trust it a lot more than HF's, whose judgement is suspect given he's currently voting to lynch a townie. That said, even with HF being temporarily (I hope) wrong, I still think his judgement is better than that of my strongest town reads.
Names of other ppl purposefully omitted, as there doesn't seem to be any reason to start giving scum strong town reads right now. They can figure that out on their own.
hmmmm
Oats was right about one thing. We need to get some Grackaroni mayor campaigns going in the next game. If there's one thing Grackaroni needs it's more attention.
On March 04 2019 22:11 Palmar wrote: I'm also interested in people who do not want to lynch Conversion and why.
Two reasons:
I don't think a scumversion would be bold enough to come into the thread and be the second guy to claim mafia. But I don't really know him and I did find it a shitty entrance to the thread. But useless townies being bad is not scum. It just seems too brazen for scum. I don't know conversion and maybe he does play this kind of game as scum where he drops in and claims scum, but it seems like he is drawing attention for no reason except to be an idiot. Which is, unfortunately, far more likely for town.
Being excessively lazy just seems to be his thing:
On March 03 2019 23:52 Conversion wrote: someone xplain to me where mayors get a vig lynch basically? can’t find the info
Regardless of town or scum, this is just being lazy. It is 2 clicks to open the OP and click on "Day 1" (okay, 3, because it's spoilered), where you can read all about the mayor election. Instead, he wants someone else to do it for him. That makes the post you tripped over far less telling. He's just being lazy, again.
He is completely useless and might be scum. But I don't think he's a good lynch today.
I will give credit here for this post. This rebuttal influenced me away from following Palmar's Conversion case, which I thought was pretty good before reading the Acro post.
If I recall correctly around this time he is probably still under threat of being lynched and is pushing back against what appeared to be the most likely counterwagon to himself.
On March 07 2019 05:35 sicklucker wrote: if we were gonna yolo lynch I think rels is the guy. he starts getting active as mafia starts winning. very nice. also thinks im scum for some reason which seems forced (omgus)
During the EoD he wasn't actively trying to do stuff, all he did was yelling and causing chaos. The most notable thing is he perfectly knew both Palmar's and Holyflare's mayor lynch choices don't align with his reads yet never ever during the whole time the debate was on tries he convince either of them to agree on a different lynch. Especially Palmar when they both share a scumread on Mocsta. There is simply no reason why a townie shouldn't care about this.
He tried to convince HF not to lynch Palmar and he tried to get people to elect Koshi so that Koshi would kill Blazinghand. I don't see anything scummy in his end of day interactions.
He scumread iamperfection for too long, he should know wayyyyy better regardless of the fact iamp made a case (that everyone should read) on him.
As far as I can tell this is inaccurate. He makes a long post about Iamp but his conclusion wasn't actually that Iamp was scum. I think Vivax was the one who was super red on Iamp.
After D1 Acrofales hasn't done a single productive thing. He has given himself a narrative in calling Holyflare mafia, hiding behind it, and doing nothing else. Even if he genuinely thinks Holyflare is mafia for doing a bad / stupid thing (which isn't even a good reason to scumread someone) it's simply pure mafia play to excuse yourself for not doing anything other than calling him mafia and everyone stupid and bad.
i wish there was less HF discussion but Acro clearly does some of his own scumhunting after day 1 here. He isn't hiding:
On March 06 2019 00:29 Acrofales wrote: Ugggghhhh. Please tell me I am wrong, but rsoultin looks really really scummy in how she talks about Palmar.
In the beginning, she just seems upset that Palmar, a big name, is stealing the limelight and that people (me) are happy to sheep him. I can see that happening from a town point of view. But there's some stuff that doesn't scan with that:
On March 04 2019 16:19 WaveofShadow wrote: Strangely ironic that when I first read your post I bristled at being told I had a chipmunk memory, but if reading comprehension doesn't fail me (and maybe evidently, it does?) you were talking about yourself?
lol
Fair point I guess but the larger point still stands---if you are calling me scum, you're doing it based on nothing other than how 'blah' I'm being? And I still don't buy you not being great at reading me. Historically, you have been barring I think our first couple games together.
-shrugs- Maybe I was I really don't recall lol I don't even remember if you were the one Palmar kept trying to convince me was scum in the Noir game Artanis threw a fit in where I needed to be hit between the eyes with it before I just sheepled a Palmar days later.
Actually yeah I'm pretty sure that's you.
But regardless, I don't think it matters. You can believe or not that I don't remember how to read you no skin off my back. The purpose of my post was 1) objectively don't like the sniping without really saying anything and 2) getting others' opinions on it because I think you're not much of a poster anyway. (Again with the caveat that I don't really remember.)
Anyway! If you want to talk about something else we can cause this is getting circular and I read people better when they're not talking about me.
Now I was nowhere near that game and have no idea what happened, but clearly rsoultin is okay with people sheeping Palmar, because she does it herself as town. Still, don't know the game, so different circumstances, etc. etc. but this whole thing about being upset people are sheeping Palmar makes far more sense from a scum player than a town player:
Town rsoultin: upset because she doesn't know Palmar is town and is worried dumb townies are sheepling a scum Palmar. Next step should be: figure out Palmar's allegiance.
Scum rsoultin: upset because townies are sheeplong a town Palmar, who is always going to be one of the major threats to scum in the game.
So. Lets see, where does rsoultin go with her investigation into Palmar. I tell you, it's nowhere. She doesn't try to engage with Palmar. She doesn't analyse Palmar's posts. Nada. She just throws shade:
On March 03 2019 18:27 Holyflare wrote: When did I ever make a case on rayn wtf?
You didn't that I recall.
Though I like his Palmar read.
Rayn at the time had a pretty weak scumread on Palmar based on (1) Palmar thinking I was looking townie, and (2) Palmar wanting to policy kill Sent. There really wasn't much there, but this is literally the only justification for rsoultin going after Palmar, because the next appearance we see is her waffling onto Palmar as an "experiment":
On March 03 2019 18:32 Tubesock wrote: Anyone want to vote Palmar? Doesn’t that sound super fun? rayne, Chez? HF?
Not the worst idea. Actually, new experiment \o/
On March 03 2019 18:42 rsoultin wrote: ##unvote ##vote: Palmar
I have no idea what the experiment did, except set her up for vote analysis for "going after Palmar early" or some such nonsense. She herself just kinda waffled on it too:
On March 04 2019 04:59 Rels wrote: rsoul can you detail your "experiment" if it's done ?
Which one? The first was seeing if Rayn would get annoyed and come after me for ignoring his question. Which he both did and didn't so that was a wash. Though he did actively ignore me when I was trying to get clarification on his Iam read changing, which makes me want to lynch him and pretend that's more about scumreading him than ego. He's definitely still a scum lean, though.
The second was seeing what happened with a Palmar vote when so many were kinda scumreading him but that one I just kinda abandoned cause impatient rsoul is impatient. And HF's comment on LS was right and that's actually a good way to read LS, but LS is probably just town for getting all out of whack with no real pressure on him lol ><
Damdred is probably just scum though so that's nice ^^ It's not as strong a read as my tonal read that I think he's incapable of replicated as mafia but he's not playing this game right.
But she isn't done, she'll continue throwing jabs his way, based on... what? Still nothing insofar as I can tell from her filter. That comes quite a bit later, when she finally gets around to explaining why Palmar is scum. I'll just post it verbatim, because it's utter bullshit: + Show Spoiler [shade] +
On March 04 2019 04:00 iamperfection wrote: i think its obvious that im town as well so just vote me for mayor. i don't think i've ever made a case as mafia.
Ill use the ability as another lynch during the night phase where we have to do votes and shit. and lynch whoever we vote " although i would probably do what i want and just use it as a vig shot because im a dictator.
Is that how the mayor thing works? Then we really shouldn't be voting for Palmar.
I wanted to give your post a response that was not based on my feeling or tone.
So here we go,
The first thing I will point to is meta for LS, generally speaking he gives a good bit of town reads that seem flimsy early and he always seems to be noncommittal early. This is based off of meta and just not this game precisely. I do not think that this is a good point to have against him, he is always flip floppy on reads and super paranoid.
However there is a great point that his reads lack many scumspects or anything revolving actual verifiable reads that say x is scum.
He also is not as helpful this game as he generally would be, q lot of time he would dig in past games to figure out if player x does x or y.
There is also the point of his weak rage, seemed to be under almost no pressure but this is a bull tell he generally only goes it as town but he broke this as scum years ago so is not something to fall back on.
I think, that there is a chance that he is scum and you are correct Sen just based off the laziness and the lack of discernable scum reads that he is not pushing.
However I do not think hes the best lynch today. But you did lit together a good case.
This is a great post for why LS is scum. Just saying.
Your right, I basically talked myself out of a hard town read just writing back i stead of on feels. I'd rather still not lynch him today as I think a night/day I could make heads or tails using my charm. But I wont cry and rant otherwise
Not you. You're still in the doghouse of not damdying
Ha, I was excited for a moment and felt that we had a connection....but seriously I think there are good points there but you have to agree that ls is enough of a hard read sometimes that two days are necessary.
I don't have to agree on anything other than I'm floundering all over the place trying to find a good lynch today and will probably just end up sheeping iam or hf like a boob ^^
But I think you and LS and palmar and rayn all have good chances of flipping scum and maybe koshi and maybe chez but maybe not for #reasons and MZ is someone no one is talking about and Iam may be right on acro which gives me what? 8? So I'm wrong somewhere lol ><
On March 05 2019 06:21 rsoultin wrote: Yeah I still think Palmar is likely to be scum. Have no issue whatsoever mayoring Iam and killing BH (though I'm thinking we're likely to see a town flip there tbh) but I'm not changing my vote if it makes Palmar mayor.
If you think BH is going to flip Town, then why not lynch Palmar?
I'd be happy to lynch Palmar if anyone wanted to lynch Palmar. I'm also happy to lynch Truffle and Tube. And Rayn if it comes to it. Also LS, but my bad rsoul doubting brain is less confident about him.
On March 03 2019 20:12 Palmar wrote: To be fair I mostly like Acro just for these two posts. They're the logical way to play the game.
Kill the policy lynch, continue playing.
On March 03 2019 17:09 Acrofales wrote: Enters Palmar: he claims to feel strongly about killing sent. So let him do it. All you need to decide is if Palmar is townie enough. But if we decide Palmar is townie enough to be mayor then he is free to kill whoever he likes. He sticks with sentinel and sentinel flips scum? We win, yay! Sheep Palmar into Armageddon. Sentinel flips town? We figure out if Palmars policy lynch is an ideological thing or a scum thing. Either way, we get information about Palmar out of this, which is a great thing to get out of D1.
On March 03 2019 17:11 Acrofales wrote: Oh, also, if sent was actually playing and being townie, I'd be more inclined to want him to live. But he has used this "foil" to be an attention whore and cop out of doing anything else so far. Not town play.
@Palmar, let's assume Acro is the leading lynch candidate but your vote could choose somebody else to lynch. Who would you lynch instead of Acro, that isn't Sent?
Palmar's entire post history seems to be super focused on this policy lynch of Sent -- that's it. Town Reads HF, Town Reads Acro. He's not wanting to scum hunt on day 1, but go all in on a policy lynch. I don't think I mind having a strong conviction about the policy lynch, but I think I do mind only green reading other people and only pushing your one policy lynch.
I think Palmar is scum.
I like Rayn's read on Palmar, ironically, cause I think they're both scum.
Palmar not playing on a weekend is Palmar-y. Palmar playing is Palmar-y. This half and half stuff I wouldn't trust with a 10-foot pole and I hate how much support he's gotten. I also hate that some of that is probably from shit town who just see the shiny name and go oh, Palmar, he's a god, let's check our brains at the door.
-cocks head at- So you've decided to play rather than whine about people saying a person who was only posting images was a good vig target?
Her earlier light suspicion of people following Palmar has turned into thinking Palmar is scum because people are sheeping him. This is bonkers. It doesn't make sense. Nobody can think this is a real reason for scumreading someone. Someone is scum because they do scummy things, not because they just happen to be there and other people do scummy things (sheeping them). This reeks of a scummer panicking that town Palmar is gaining traction. It isn't how a townie thinks.
But now that we have established that Palmar is a priori scum, and rsoultin doesn't have to doubt herself, it all makes sense:
On March 03 2019 20:12 Palmar wrote: To be fair I mostly like Acro just for these two posts. They're the logical way to play the game.
Kill the policy lynch, continue playing.
On March 03 2019 17:09 Acrofales wrote: Enters Palmar: he claims to feel strongly about killing sent. So let him do it. All you need to decide is if Palmar is townie enough. But if we decide Palmar is townie enough to be mayor then he is free to kill whoever he likes. He sticks with sentinel and sentinel flips scum? We win, yay! Sheep Palmar into Armageddon. Sentinel flips town? We figure out if Palmars policy lynch is an ideological thing or a scum thing. Either way, we get information about Palmar out of this, which is a great thing to get out of D1.
On March 03 2019 17:11 Acrofales wrote: Oh, also, if sent was actually playing and being townie, I'd be more inclined to want him to live. But he has used this "foil" to be an attention whore and cop out of doing anything else so far. Not town play.
@Palmar, let's assume Acro is the leading lynch candidate but your vote could choose somebody else to lynch. Who would you lynch instead of Acro, that isn't Sent?
Palmar's entire post history seems to be super focused on this policy lynch of Sent -- that's it. Town Reads HF, Town Reads Acro. He's not wanting to scum hunt on day 1, but go all in on a policy lynch. I don't think I mind having a strong conviction about the policy lynch, but I think I do mind only green reading other people and only pushing your one policy lynch.
I think Palmar is scum.
I like Rayn's read on Palmar, ironically, cause I think they're both scum.
Palmar not playing on a weekend is Palmar-y. Palmar playing is Palmar-y. This half and half stuff I wouldn't trust with a 10-foot pole and I hate how much support he's gotten. I also hate that some of that is probably from shit town who just see the shiny name and go oh, Palmar, he's a god, let's check our brains at the door.
-cocks head at- So you've decided to play rather than whine about people saying a person who was only posting images was a good vig target?
So then following this, if Palmar is scum:
What does his pushing on Sent say? Is it a random policy lynch or is there more to it?
What does his town read on acro mean?
Don't know and don't care? Palmar is capable of pushing or reading people any which way if he's scum, so why is this a thing for you?
Independently I think sent seems okay, certainly enough to warrant not lynching him d1. And acro is someone I need to look at again cause I've seen things I both like and don't like. I don't feel strongly enough on him to not lynch him though so there's that.
Palmar is scum because Palmar is making reads and pushing people.
Now regardless of whether rsoultin is a good player or a clueless scrub, she has been around the forum, and has admitted herself to sheeping Palmar as town. Does this filter read like someone who is trying to figure out whether Palmar is mafia? Or someone pushing an agenda. I can really only get the latter from it.
rsoultin congrats on leaving the maybe pile. You scummy little creature, you.
also I missed this originally but this is a very good catch by Vivax/Acro:
I'd still lean Oats (???) because even with that pressure he doesn't commit to any sort of scum team besides "half the thread", at least in any meaningful way to advance the game.
Like this post is why Sentinel is confirmed scum.
When you're town, you read something that catches your attention, form the opinion, then go write about it to justify your opinion.
Here you have Sentinel forgetting to fill in the blank cause first he wrote up some bsbsbsbs, then he tried to decide what would be the best way to read Oats for that. Basically mafia with his pants down.
I think that's a bit of a stretch lol. Can quite easily forget a word or two when writing a giant wall of text.
I mean if you think this ONE missing word confirms him mafia then why the fuck don't you think Mocsta who was caught lying about his entire read on Acro isn't mafia? :D
No. He actually has a point. It isn't in the big post where he "forgot the word". He literally posted Oats as a scumread and then used the same justification to post Oats as a not-a-scumread.
This is backed up a bit later when Oats has disappeared off his scum list completely:
On March 05 2019 04:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote: What's with the BH train? If you want to kill a hardcore lurker like that why not use the mayor lynch? I don't see the benefit
Because BH is not your typical lurker. IMHO it's like foolishness or sandroba lurking. They hate playing scum, so just don't.
Even assuming this is true the only way this makes sense is if we have absolutely no other candidates to lynch. BH has barely defended himself and he's barely posted in the thread which means we barely get any information when we learn his role except maybe who sheeped his vote.
I'd rather lynch scum than "information". God, you're really trying to dig yourself into this hole, aren't you? :O
No, you'd rather pick an easy lynch based off activity rather than trying to figure out who all the scum are.
Lol. Hi pot.
Here are my scumreads rn
LS Damdred Tictock Trfel
I'm fine with lynching any of the four and I want whoever I do lynch to say as much as they can before they die so that maybe I can learn something useful
(People should listen to my scum reads. They are very good.)
Anyway this case is completely bullshit and I stand by my original conclusion:
On March 07 2019 04:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Grackaroni can you prove my case on Acrofales is somehow not legit?
I'll read through Acro's filter and then respond but my first impression is that it's just a day 1 case of Acro scum reading lots of lurkers that got extended into day 2 out of intertia and it makes me suspect you for pushing it so strongly.
I generally agree with Koshi's point of view on the first point here:
On March 02 2019 19:54 rsoultin wrote: Also, even though I'm using the mayor slot to demonstrate where my townreads are, it's pretty irrelevant. Regardless of who we pick they should just be held accountable for lynching who town wants to lynch -shrugs-
Or are you suggesting rayn that we just leave that to the mayor and not simply use it as a second lynch mechanic?
100% agree with this. Going off this logic Rsoul would be my vote for Mayor.
Also, just enjoying this interaction between Rayn and Rsoul.
On March 02 2019 20:33 Holyflare wrote: If anyone cares my reads align with rsoul. I think. Chez suspicious. Guy posting catch ups was it trfel? Seemed mediocre and not any revelations. Iamp piggybacking me suspicious. Don't care if I like what he's said about people non-posting. That's easy to do.
Didn't like rayn that much tbh. He seems to not be saying much but talking in walls of text and circles.
I dunno I'm sorry I'm a bit shit right now but whatever.
Pretty sure that's me, and I don't give a shit kus you always seem to hate the way I interact with the game.
I also strongly disagree about Rayn, I see him pushing his own thoughts and thinking and explaining why, nothing circular at all.
HF seems to be posting to post and I don't like it, but it's not really a scum read right now. It's just him coasting.
On March 02 2019 20:35 rsoultin wrote: Like for me it breaks down like this:
You've got trolling people. You've got lurking people. You've got lazy people. You've got some overly aggressives that aren't giving me warm fuzzies (MP). You've got people I'm not sure about who when I'm not sure about them have a nasty habit of being scum (Rayn) but because he's burned me so often I'm not sure if that's not where the uncertainty's coming from.
And then you have seemingly excited to play, I respect the shit out of his intelligence Chez playing but not saying anything interesting. That first group can hide a lot of bad town play. But doing something without doing anything ticks off my scum meter to a higher degree.
Rsoul is starting to convince me... Idk. I don't particularly want to lynch Chez myself but I get where her read is coming from, and I am not opposed to a Chez lynch.
#540 Bloody's entry doesn't jive well with me, but mostly due to their reads being pretty opposite to my own. I can sorta see the logic in Bloody's reads, but it's very much in a scum-range of what to post to enter the game. Gut read leans scum, but I think deserves more to be on my watch list.
Speaking of my Watch List, I think it's something like this right now: Meap Grack Jock Mr. Wiggles Acro Bloddy HF (just not comfortable with him just floating around the game making no impact, yet being relatively present)
Rels is also close to being on this list for "playing" but only making a "Hi" post then laughing at something rayn did. He only escapes this list because I know he has actively avoided playing D1 as town in recent games. It's the fact that he tried to play a little but didn't actually that almost has him on it.
I don't agree with much of this, but I do like the post.
1) Rsoultin is posting easy reads and not actually doing much poking. I don't know how she'd go on anybody's town reads so far, and definitely nowhere near mayor material.
2) Cobbler posted some reads and something provocative, and gave time for them to answer. I liked his first post and will wait for more. The fact that he's aggressive seems fine. Not going to do anything meta with it, because the last time I played mafia is probably 4 years ago or so and while I remember playing with Cobbler I can't for the life of me remember his alignment. I do remember him being aggressive tho, but not abusive.
3) Everybody should be on your watch list. We are not even halfway though D1... but if I take it to mean a list of people who are posting suspiciously, the only ones I agree with is Grack. I don't understand the list anyway without justifications.
Grack made a useless list post as first entry and then fucked off again. It seemed quite a lot like scum doing stuff to "seem active". And I remember Grack being quite a useful player, so I agree with you there. The rest? Haven't even seen a post by Wiggles, Meepack seems no worse than most people, and Jock I'd say more clueless town than anything else. Cobbler see above, and HF actually seems to be trying some things too.
Acrofoles is not mafia because he said that he doesnt agree with the post but liked it a lot. This is a clear contradiction that most likely a townoe would make. Mafia would not like it and attack it.
I also like the part he attacks a lot of people with minimal commitment. Looks like town calling how he sees it, while mafia wants to make friends and not attack people.
Also Acrofoles has 4 pages of filter. So why kill him d1 lol. Kill scrubs.
I read 1 post of Acrofoles and decided he is most likely town and if he isnt should be left alive anyway.
Big scum points to Rayn for pushing it today. The only thing in there that's valid came from day 1 when Acro got a lot of votes for attacking lots of lurkers.
On March 07 2019 10:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sentinel i think is town. When i was mafia wiith him (the infamous Noir game where you fakeclaimed medic twice) he had serious issues putting together even ANY single post. I basically played the game for him. I can see why people think he is scummy even after he read his role but i think even that is out of his mafia posting range.
My ass you did
To be fair it seems like he did:
On October 05 2013 19:25 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: gg
Big thanks to rayn, I feel like he's the reason I lived as long as I did the first three days
Investigating QT now. (I've read this one before, I definitely recognize this quote:
kushykushkushPerson was signed in when posted 09-20-2013 10:58 PM ET (US) nah im trash scum and i will bus all of you in the most obvious manner
I don't see it really. He doesn't seem entirely incapable of writing a post in that game and seems to be enjoying himself in the scum QT from that game:
On March 07 2019 04:13 rsoultin wrote: I don't actually agree with your perception Grack, but I do find it a bit towny that you seem so excited about it lol ><
The one other thing I'd say is that I'm pretty sure the day 1 votes on Oats are all town
HF/Rsoultin/trfes/slam/Acro/Jockmcplolp
The only one I really think might be scum is slam and I have no read on him whatsoever.
Yeah its kind of confusing. As far as I can tell this is what Vivax/Acro were saying:
The reason there was a blank spot after the lean was that Sentinel was still deciding how he wanted to read Oats after already writing all of his points that should have been what prompted him to make the read.
Later in the thread Sentinel gives contradictory reads on Oats from the same information:
On March 05 2019 01:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Oats hasn't changed much beyond the dart throwing. I still don't see how that makes him scum.
On March 06 2019 02:42 Holyflare wrote: Can someone explain why sentinel is mafia other than using the words he didn't read his role PM?
Look at his big post and try explaining to me what happened to his Oats scum lean, or how even what he wrote about it makes the slightest sense.
1. I lean green on Tictock 2. I lean red on MZ 3. Jock had a bad post 4. Acro had bad posts 5. Chez has bad posts and is running interference 6. Sentinel's town read is prescient of his role. The man in the gif holds up 5 fingers which means it's a 5/5 play 7. Actually Tictock might be red 8. Oats is bad but not red
This is literally at the bottom of his reads list.
On March 05 2019 01:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Oats hasn't changed much beyond the dart throwing. I still don't see how that makes him scum.
That was my summary of iamp's reads, not my own takes. The oats take was my take.
On March 06 2019 09:27 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 06 2019 02:45 Holyflare wrote:
On March 06 2019 02:43 Vivax wrote:
On March 06 2019 02:42 Holyflare wrote: Can someone explain why sentinel is mafia other than using the words he didn't read his role PM?
Look at his big post and try explaining to me what happened to his Oats scum lean, or how even what he wrote about it makes the slightest sense.
1. I lean green on Tictock 2. I lean red on MZ 3. Jock had a bad post 4. Acro had bad posts 5. Chez has bad posts and is running interference 6. Sentinel's town read is prescient of his role. The man in the gif holds up 5 fingers which means it's a 5/5 play 7. Actually Tictock might be red 8. Oats is bad but not red
This is literally at the bottom of his reads list.
On March 05 2019 01:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Oats hasn't changed much beyond the dart throwing. I still don't see how that makes him scum.
That was my summary of iamp's reads, not my own takes. The oats take was my take.
Ok, but there's more then. You didn't specify your Oats lean in the post, it looks like you missed out a word like scum lean.
Then you come out with:
On March 05 2019 01:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Oats hasn't changed much beyond the dart throwing. I still don't see how that makes him scum.
Your oats summary is in direct contradiction with what you said after it with nothing else changing in between. Why?
I think if you lean red on everyone it's only slightly better than leaning green on everyone. I'd almost call it a scum play Oats does put pressure on HF. I'd still lean Oats because even with that pressure he doesn't commit to any sort of scum team besides "half the thread", at least in any meaningful way to advance the game.
There's actually two parts missing. "I'd almost call it a scum play [but] Oats does put pressure on HF. I'd still lean [red on] Oats because even with..."
That being said, it's the slightest of scum leans and I never grouped him in my lynch targets like Trfel, LS, etc.
On a related note, skimming LS's posts I am getting a much more town vibe than before, but I only got this vibe long after someone said "LS is looking more town now". I think at the time he was sheeping yet another read. I don't know LS as much as some of you but even though I'm not ready to tunnel him at the moment I do think some of you guys are cutting him too much slack.
Current list of thoughts. I'll try to keep myself from repeating takes but I didn't write these in order so I might occasionally say the same thing twice, especially if I'm commenting on another player's analysis of a third player.
1) Onegu Onegu's contributions to the thread have been pretty lacking. Up to now all his contributions have been joke reads. But that also seems par for the course for Onegu. I looked at a grand total of two other games for comparison. In Hurricane Shelter he was town and posted like he does now. In Names are Hard 2 he was scum and posted a bunch of reads. So I guess he looks town for now
2) Fecalfeast The good news is there's one theme in his filter and it's "I want to find scum and lynch them". Red reads on chezinu and LS.
3) Holyflare Massive fucking filter. I'm going to skip to the end where he talks to people who aren't me, about me. HF was the first one to accuse me of foul play. Palmar took it and ran from there. Slam has said that already but I'll repeat it here. What I like about HF is at least on the surface his play seems honest
On March 03 2019 23:23 LightningStrike wrote: Going to put a place holder vote on myself and voting Palmar for mayor since I think it's the best option.
Why is palmar the best option? What alignment do you think I am?
He's the best option for mayor because he willing to get rid of a question mark in Sent who I think is just a policy lynch. Dunno about your alignment you're too good I was hoping you and Tina would try to talk to each other.
So why are you not voting me as mayor when i want to mayor vote Sentinel?
On March 03 2019 03:59 Holyflare wrote: I will lynch sentinel this cycle with a mayor vote by the way. Not only are his posts pointless blending but if you want an excuse for a policy lynch he is it.
A good ploicy lynch yes but would rather lynch a for certain scum though over policy lynching someone.
You even contradict yourself here. Now you're willing to allow a mayor to policy lynch sentinel?
in that whole chain he holds LS accountable for sheeping
I would rather elect Palmar and have him lynch Sentinel
Yea the more I think about it, lets do this. ##Elect: Palmar
I think having everyone lynch Sent would be a bit of a waste of Day 1 voting as he is kinda a coinflip (and we might get better information via a different lynch and resulting voting patterns), but am totally down with the Mayor killing him.
Imagine not reading the thread and supporting the guy who has made one or two posts to be mayor when there is someone with a lot of posts advocating the same mayor lynch.
Clearly from my posts, and from me not reading, I did not know what your platform as mayor was.
But to be honest, at this point I just hate you. You berate how I read and catch up, you berate me when I don’t do that. I will just be ignoring you for the rest of the game because I will likely only get angry and possibly tilt if I have to deal with you.
Part of me wants to call you scum because you played with me in the last game where you know this had an effect on me, but here you are doing the exact thing again. Seems like you just don’t want to try and play nice and would rather ruffle my feathers. I choose not to put up with your shit.
I am not berating you as a person. I am merely pointing out that it's a very strange platform for you to follow if someone else had said the exact same thing and yet you didn't bat an eyelid.
If you did not know I said that and have actual personal reasons to not want to vote for me then fine. I am in no way insulting you as a person, nor do I dislike you as a person. I merely dislike the catch up style because it is contrary with how I like to play, which is conversational, which I believe you've refrained from doing with me for a while.
I had genuine points on you this game which you've neglected to answer and then I had seen this vote. Do you think it is in my best interest to just ignore that or push it?
I'm sorry you feel this way about me but I truly don't mean any offense by the way I talk. Honestly, I don't even remember the last game I played with you so that's on me I'm afraid. I hope we can get past this and actually talk about the game.
Unless you are mafia in which case this post is disgusting.
I haven't played the game they're referring to or looked at it, but I agree with the rest of this post. I find myself catching up a lot because like many people in the thread I underestimate the time commitment of this game, but I'd go even further than HF and say that that style is conducive to mafia because it's easier to slip through the cracks. That's not to say everyone who lurks or has other things to do is red, but it is a town strategy to encourage and pressure others to be more active in the thread.
4) Palmar Most of his posts are about lynching me.
I think at this point in the game if you're scum, sheeping Palmar is the best strategy. Why Palmar in particular? He's got a commanding role in the thread and all of his actions look like he's finding scum - for now. The schtick might get a little old if he does literally nothing else and disappears but at least for now it's proactive enough to find at least one suspicious looking player and encourage people to vote for a second one (or give him that power - if he was 100% serious it would be trouble but he's not being 100% serious).
If he's town well then he kills one of his own, and once I flip town suddenly it's all for naught because people are at least a little suspicious of him. The reason you'd sheep him and not oppose him as mafia is because 1) he's already made the anti-Sentinel arguments for you so you don't need to think, and 2) you could always look good and defend me so that when I flip town you can say "I told you so" but as mafia it's dangerous to be right when everyone else isn't, especially if you haven't made a constructive argument for why I'm actually town.
If he's scum it's a pretty safe position since I'm not his teammate and unlike say Rels I've actually posted in this thread from time to time, which gives him just enough rope to hang me. Once I flip he can use the exact same argument to vindicate himself because mistakes happen.
On March 02 2019 12:25 Fecalfeast wrote: why are you a little suspicious of EmZee? You haven't said anything about him yet, have you?
Mainly he been taking some of my stuff out context and making them look worse than what they are. Rayn also had a good point about him too regarding his handling of me and conversion. I want to see more from him though to see if I got his alignment right.
Very noncommittal and seems to be deflecting from himself rather than pressuring MZ.
On March 02 2019 22:39 Vivax wrote: Trfels posts on this page read to me like a bit of minimum effort "scumhunting" coupled with sucking up to rsoultin when poked.
I think you might be reading to much into it? Didn't seem like he was trying to suck it up to Tina at least to me.
Soft defense of Trfel
On March 02 2019 22:18 LightningStrike wrote: Also liking rayn so far this game though and same with Tina hopefully we get more people to post!
Soft defense of rsoultin & rayn
On March 02 2019 23:41 LightningStrike wrote: Anyways I think Vivax might be town atm just going to see if he can continue posting since he can't keep it up as scum.
Soft defense of Vivax
On March 03 2019 11:00 LightningStrike wrote: df seems town, Oats null at best atm wanting more content from him. Palmar not really doing shit but it's the weekend he doesn't do shit on the weekend unless he's scum Day 1. I willing to give FF a Day since he's not being lazy FF. I missing a certain french person and a certain american
Soft defense of darthfoley, no commitment on Oats, wanting to give FF and rayn more time.
On March 03 2019 11:32 LightningStrike wrote: Sent is policy at best I wont lynch him unless there is no better option honestly.
Doesn't vote for the policy lynch (e.g. ##Mayor: Palmar). No commitment.
On March 03 2019 11:32 LightningStrike wrote: Sent is policy at best I wont lynch him unless there is no better option honestly.
There is literally no better option on day 1 than policy. Those are the best lynches on day 1 because you get rid of trash on a day with no information.
But I rather try to lynch scum
On March 03 2019 11:51 LightningStrike wrote: Sent please read your role pm at some point before EoD would greatly appreciate it. <3
There's two universes here. Let's say you're dead set on believing I'm scum. Town LS should be pressuring me in some way. Palmar's entire platform is "Lynch Sentinel" so the easiest way to do that would be vote Palmar for mayor. Scum LS would be doing everything in his power to save his teammate. Or bus me but obviously he isn't doing that here.
Now let's say you correctly surmise I'm town. Town LS has no way of knowing this and LS hasn't given any reasons as to why I should be town. There is no take up to this point from him that says "Sentinel is town". You can always unvote later. What do you have to lose by not voting for Palmar in an effort to pressure me? And Scum LS would know I'm town, in which case all of the above comes across as a massive out in the event Palmar succeeds and I flip town.
The reason I believe it's the last case - that LS is scum - is because that behavior dovetails very well with his play. All of his reads are null to soft town, never giving too much justification whether or not they're town. He often plays devil's advocate with other people's scum reads and asks people "do you have full faith in your read?" without suggesting any alternatives. Oftentimes he follows this up with "I want to give [suspicious player] more time to post" without actually pressuring the suspicious player in any way. At 5 pages LightningStrike's filter is one of the longest in the game but most of it so far has been this kind of vapid content.
On March 03 2019 23:15 LightningStrike wrote: Also the Sent train is a big concerning considering I thought we were going to use our mayor thing on him instead of lynching him?
And yet he didn't vote for a mayor (still!) despite admitting "Palmar wants to use his mayor thing on Sent"
On March 03 2019 23:28 LightningStrike wrote: But for real though Sent is null at best. I don't think Oats is mafia compared to his last game he actually got some reasoning for his reads instead of just saying why something is bad/mafia. I think Tina is still Town and same with Vivax and Rayn. I kinda want to give a attempt of a sicklucker read and say he's town to make it a tiny bit easier for myself since he did claimed scum as town before. Damdred is just mia and might not be alignment indicative.
Still no commitment on me! Null at best. That would be great if LS had any other scum reads but all he has are soft town reads and null reads.
Still no conclusions on Oats. Soft defenses on rsoultin & rayn & vivax a second time in this game. Another "I want to give him more time to post" this time on sicklucker.
Solid red.
6) Blazinghand Started reading the thread and his analysis of this game should come through around the same time as his analysis of British Empire Mini II.
7) Tictock I'll be happy voting for him if only to get him to stop putting all his reads in spoilers
Here are some of his noteworthy takes
On March 02 2019 14:30 Tictock wrote: Meap seems very Mafia to me on this page, he even does this "Guide me Senpai" thing with HF that I hate.
On March 02 2019 10:27 Damdred wrote: LS is town, that is all.
More when I get home and find a town circle to kill from within.
Ehh, I can't make up my mind what I want to say about this, I agree with him (which typically gives me townfeels for Damdred) but this feels like an easy, "free" read and post from Damdred. For some reason was noteworty to me... idk.
Great detective work! I would love to have you on my team as lead investigator! I will be sure that the corporate office hear of this amazing discovery!
Best, Chezinu Isunizehc
Why does this game irrelevant post get praise from you Chez?
On March 02 2019 10:33 LightningStrike wrote: Me and Damdred aren't masons even though I wish we were masons
Honest to a fault... Totes town.
Willing to give solid townleans on Trefl and LS, and a minor townlean on Damdred thus far. I've also got a bit of a gutread on FF at this point, but I'm not sharing it yet.
What's interesting here is that the foundation of all of this is LS's first three posts. I don't know which three posts qualify but up to the "me and Damdred aren't masons" LS has posted nothing of substance, town or not.
Damdy is town because he agrees with LS. He's masons with LS and LS is town so they can't be scum together. Oops LS isn't a mason but LS is town and Damdy is still town because he said LS is town.
His justification is
LS can be a hard player to read, but all these posts are honest sadness that people are starting to play for real and not just joke around and shoot the breeze as many recent games have started.
Not saying I have some kinda God-Read on him or anything, but that is how I try to and what I get from those posts.
So all of his town reads by association come from a belief that LS is honest. And that belief is predicated on the fact that LS was joking around.
HF seems to be posting to post and I don't like it, but it's not really a scum read right now. It's just him coasting.
Speaking of my Watch List, I think it's something like this right now: ... HF (just not comfortable with him just floating around the game making no impact, yet being relatively present)
I think this is colored by TT's dislike of HF
On March 03 2019 13:47 Tictock wrote: Ok, I came, I saw, I did some things. Seems like ppl are not around so gunna do other things. May check in once more before bed but I am pretty sure I am not going to fully read the stuff I missed.
I'd like someone who is wanting to lynch oats to convince me why he is scum.
Similarly as to why ppl are voting HF for mayor.
If deadline was right now/soon I would push for Meap or Grack to lynch.
I don't like this post because he started with a gutread on her and acted off that information throughout the game, leading to the conclusion: rsoultin is town. It cheapens the value of all the evidence he posts afterward to support the fact rsoultin is town.
Leaning red
8) Oatsmaster Oats is one of the few players in this game who's accused too many people of being mafia rather than too few. Then retracts some of them with this:
On March 03 2019 06:16 Oatsmaster wrote: mocsta posted one post and peaced ~~ possibly town,
That's more generous than I would have phrased it but OK
iamp is putting in way too much effort to be town
No
tictock is reaching real far for their reads
Yes
Acro actually is a lawyer and lawyers should be lynched cause they are bad men
I chuckled
HF too serious to be town
I haven't played with HF enough to confirm or deny this and I don't have enough time to evaluate the meta of 35 players
Ace actually posted the worst idea ive ever seen what was that nonsense
OK
I think if you lean red on everyone it's only slightly better than leaning green on everyone. I'd almost call it a scum play Oats does put pressure on HF. I'd still lean Oats because even with that pressure he doesn't commit to any sort of scum team besides "half the thread", at least in any meaningful way to advance the game. + Show Spoiler +
11) sicklucker The "Hi I'm mafia" post doesn't inherently strike me as bad.
The entire first page of his filter is... interesting. Starts out with a lot of one-liners and a one-liner plus a quote from TL's spam warning. To quote Trfel,
On March 02 2019 21:59 Trfel wrote: Does that make sense? It doesn't look like he's trying to find mafia, just trying to exist.
What's more
On March 03 2019 06:44 sicklucker wrote: People i wouldnt lynch yet. Sent claimed for some readon Slam Ryan Hf Ls Rstoulin Tube maybe
On March 03 2019 11:26 Palmar wrote: So this is not a joke, I am going to do nothing but vote Sentinel until he comes in to the thread and says "I have read my role PM". Just pile votes on him because he's playing a strategy that's only advantageous to mafia.
this, as I said in the previous post, is probably the best thing you can do as scum right now. This is the second-to-last post at the time I wrote this.
On March 03 2019 13:32 LightningStrike wrote: With that being said I probably will try to sleep now hopefully we get more people to post and shit. Will check everything when I wake up!
Hey ls how do you think about the current game. I know your town its really boring but you are and if your not ill kill you later anyway . Knowing you I want to keep your contributions to the game really simple of people you know. I want the dirt boo I want the dandred reads and such. thats your job this game keep it simple but effective. and when im mafia you can lynch me in final 3 like always its fine
And this is the final post. Lots of fun stuff here. Claiming LS is town despite having no takes on him before or after this moment, asking LS to provide reads he himself can build off off, and another "I'm the mafia" joke which again in a vacuum isn't bad but on the tail end of a post like this looks bad to me.
Overall, no real scum reads, 1/2 iffy town reads on rsoultin and LS. However here's some mitigating factors:
On March 02 2019 22:47 sicklucker wrote: im more just pointing out shit reads and im the constant that I know
stole my gameplan
On March 02 2019 22:50 sicklucker wrote: like im sure there have been some good negative reads for example. I liked rayns read on me that somethings off. I kind of agree on that one
On March 02 2019 22:59 sicklucker wrote: I mean not just accurate just something I think a townie would feel about me since I havent played this shit game in years
These posts give me the suspicion that SL isn't scum but just being bad town given that it's his first game in a while and it's got 35 people in it. Palmar would probably policy lynch him but I'd rather find scum than take a risk on a bad townie who at least has the ability to lynch red players with everyone else.
12) Acrofales What I don't like about Acrofales is that he read the same TT post I did but somehow he thought TT did a good read whereas I thought he did the opposite. What I do like is he posts a definite shitlist:
I do think he has a strong justification to vote for Palmar Mayor rather than HF mayor in that Palmar's fate in the thread is dictated entirely on whether or not I'm scum. It's a more one-to-one relationship. Whereas even if HF is wrong, a malicious HF could use all the other stuff to look town.
15) Chezinu I'm not reading the RP. There's probably something good in there especially in the second half of his filter but I don't care enough to look for it.
17) ExO_ Came into the thread and posted a bunch of memes and left. Hasn't done anything since. The only reason I'd give for vigging him in particular of all the inactives is that he interacted with people (by posting memes), rather than just saying hi and disappearing (which could be for any IRL reason as well). He was following the thread if not reading it.
19) [UoN]Sentinel Confirmed town
26) Mocsta He just came in so I'll probably develop my takes further. Here are some of his deep dives and my thoughts on them
On March 03 2019 23:47 WaveofShadow wrote: Hai mocsta! Not missing much. Hf/rayn yelling at each other, Palmar wants mayor to dispose of sentinel cause he won't read his role pm. Pretty stavdard stuff.
Hmmm
So far i read sentinel / sicklucker / palmar
Sentinel seems ok. Like his first couple posts were iffy but seemed quite comfortable/relaxed esp when asking for vote pile up. I didnt like acro in sentinel filter. Cheesy focus on lurjers.. reqd like he was polishing a turd. Im not against a policy lynch but it would be purely that. I would prefer mayor vote on him so ppl are forced to take a stand for the lynch itself.
Sicklucker i read cos i thought he was tubesock lol... filter seemed ok too. Nothing stood out to me and seemdd to have some focus. Not posting to shit the thread
Palmar filter was good because it had some quotes from rayn and acro. I like that rayn picked up on acro.. palmars counter about weak play are fair and aceo is a solid player. But i give higher credit to weekend and massive game = preference to cop out even if mafia. I do like palmat back and forth with rayn and even though i know palmar excels at pushing for thread soapbox position it read as if he was trying to work with the thread instead of pretend to keep up a facade.
Onto acro filter now
The most interesting thing here is the Palmar take. He offers some soft counters against the Palmar mayor platform even though he ultimately agrees with it. On one hand at this point it reads like "I'm behind Palmar but if things don't work out I'm giving myself this escape route".
Between this and his analysis of Acrofales and trfel though, and taking into account he had a huge thread to work with by the time he showed up, what I like about Mocsta's posts this game is they've been consistent. He starts with the player's meta and compares it to their play up to now in this thread and draws his conclusion on whether they're town or scum. As opposed to deciding whether or not a player is town or scum based on hunches/other motives and then finding evidence to buttress his position. This is pretty honest play and
On March 04 2019 00:30 Mocsta wrote: I will place on whoever has highest vote count at this point.
as long as "at this point" doesn't extend too long into D1 I think Mocsta is looking slightly green. I'd like to hear more from him though before I can firmly say he's green or not.
27) Koshi No posts yet
28) Trfel Happy birthday!
Just like SL he "Hi I'm mafia" post in itself doesn't strike me as bad. What does strike me as bad is the back-and-forth about how many mafia there are in the game. His exchanges with first HF and then Conversion come at a time when rayn and a few others are trying to grill LS and MZ. Trfel and Chezinu provide a lot of volume between every post in that attack. The flip side to this is that by the next page both he and Chez are gone and the attacks continue, so it's not like he was just running interference as scum until rayn et al. took the heat off his teammates.
On March 02 2019 21:59 Trfel wrote: I actually kinda want to lynch sicklucker.
He's currently contributed almost no reads (if I recall correctly, dislike of Acrofales and a town-to-meh read on rsoultin). Yet he took the time to defend himself verbosely from the slightest suspicion of rsoultin, which feels highly overdefensive, but his argument was defending his townread of rsoultin while his read, just previously posted, seemed far less committed:
On March 02 2019 17:08 sicklucker wrote: rsoultin is town dawg. maybe. na. maybe. na
Does that make sense? It doesn't look like he's trying to find mafia, just trying to exist.
This is correct but I'd also like to point out prior to making this post he had precisely zero reads except calling rayn "maybe mafia" before retracting it in his next post. His next substantial post is agreeing with rsoultin that Tubesock is mafia and providing zero new or contradictory thoughts on TS in that entire post. Then comes this:
On March 03 2019 06:39 Holyflare wrote: If you don't comment on a really obvious inconsistency I'll be sad.
I agree Oatsmaster's play has been quite subpar so far, and I agree that his assessment of your play this game is awful. However maybe I'm wrong in this but I don't feel like his play is mafia-motivated at all. I don't really think mafia would want to enter the thread late and use a bunch of garbage reasons to push suspicion at people, including people like you who are quite likely to respond and respond with a lot of weight. It would be an exceptionally stupid move.
Maybe it's dumb but that makes me actually not want to lynch Oatsmaster right now. Or was there something else you were referring to?
On March 03 2019 06:44 Holyflare wrote: No, it's that. That's quite a common oats mafia play. Throw darts blindfolded and be controversial and hope something sticks.
On March 03 2019 06:46 Trfel wrote: @sicklucker, why wouldn't you want to lynch rsoultin? Last I saw, you were just at maybe nah maybe nah?
@Holyflare, fair enough, I'll take a look. Thanks for letting me know.
On March 03 2019 06:50 Trfel wrote: Also it's easier to just vote for Oatsmaster than look at his meta so I'll just be doing that.
This is a really scummy move. He provides some counterarguments to HF, and then dismisses his own case taking HF at his word. This makes me think he didn't actually consider whether or not Oats is scum but just waffled a bit to figure out which way the wind was blowing and then take his position accordingly. Putting all this together it looks like Trfel is in the thread pretending to find scum without actually contributing anything to finding scum.
On March 03 2019 04:05 Tubesock wrote: There isn’t anyone I want to lynch.
If I were mayor I’d sheep Holyflare most likely for the 2nd lynch.
I'm thinking I'd like to lynch you!
Or are you making this guy mayor, Ace?
That’s fair. I can vote HF for mayor sure. I don’t see how you could get me wanting Ace mayor out of what I said.
You were one of the two names Ace threw out to make someone non-contributing mayor.
Figure you're reading closely enough to say what you'd do as mayor, which no one else had mentioned but Ace, but still don't want to put forward an opinion about anyone.
Reads scummy to me.
When I have a lynch target I’ll let everyone one know. Do you want an opinion from me?
Am I and Conversion your only scumreads? Who do you want for mayor and why?
Yeah, I'd like to see some sort of contribution from you. What makes you want to support HF for mayor? Is it a scumread on Sentinel or some kind of policy lynch? You don't make that clear.
I'm cool lynching scummy people just trying to coast by on the first day without needing to stick their necks out too much. That's people like you so far, and Conversion who's re-hashing the same argument with MZ instead of moving to anything else. Guys like Acrofales and and Sent fall into this bucket for me right now too.
I'm not super thrilled with any of the mayoral candidates so far. I like HF the most from the people who've thrown their hat in since some of our reads jive. Disagree with him about Chez, his play seems par for the course from what I remember.
I like this. Pressures people to take more risky positions = information.
On March 04 2019 01:17 Mr. Wiggles wrote: @HF, you seem like a cool guy, but I'm thinking my mayor vote will be going to Palmar. You've got a bit of a loose cannon vibe going on whereas Palmar is essentially Judge Dredd.
@rsoultin: Chezinu is our albatross. If you kill him you'll be thirsty for the rest of your life.
@LS: I don't understand this weird martyrdom thing you're doing. If you're town why the heck would you want to just roll over and die because a couple people scumread you? Bad vibes.
His LS read agrees with my LS read but isn't as strong. I dislike the Palmar justification because it seems to me that the end result is the same (both want to lynch me atm) but HF has offered more information to act on. Especially since in the last post Wiggles showed approval for HF, so it's not like he thinks he's red or anything.
31) BloodyC0bbler Posts some early reads, hasn't done much since. Most interesting is his defense of Chezinu and attack on rsoultin for attacking Chezinu. Acrofales has said everything I want to say about him so I'll just quote his post:
2) Cobbler posted some reads and something provocative, and gave time for them to answer. I liked his first post and will wait for more. The fact that he's aggressive seems fine. Not going to do anything meta with it, because the last time I played mafia is probably 4 years ago or so and while I remember playing with Cobbler I can't for the life of me remember his alignment. I do remember him being aggressive tho, but not abusive.
32) Ace The only thing of substance he's done in the thread so far is propose to nominate a lurker for mayor before disappearing from the thread. But it also does carry the cost of another NK. The lurker doesn't even have to show their hand since there's a lot of plausible deniability between "I haven't been keeping up with the thread" and "In the 30 minutes I've been here I think [suspicious townie] is scum". This gives me red vibes but Ace hasn't been here long enough for me to say for certain.
34) iamperfection Comes out the gate with a bunch of one-liners. The rough sequence is:
1. I lean green on Tictock 2. I lean red on MZ 3. Jock had a bad post 4. Acro had bad posts 5. Chez has bad posts and is running interference 6. Sentinel's town read is prescient of his role. The man in the gif holds up 5 fingers which means it's a 5/5 play 7. Actually Tictock might be red
8. Oats is bad but not red
Gonna remove a nested quote so it's visible: you know this "8. Oats is bad but not red" is from the iamp read right?
Yeah I saw that too but there's actually contradictory reads outside of that.
in fact, there are just too many posts that show he isn't scum hunting. It's either a lax attempt to show what someone else did wrong, asking "what should we do now?" type questions, or just filler.
Outside of this, he killed Palmar. The entire reason behind my Day 1 post was to tie any mayor candidate to their lynch choice. It's not just that he didn't lynch Sentinel - if he had justifiable reasons then so be it. But he lynched Palmar and his reasoning rests on because he thought he was scum.
Seriously. This guy should be the obvious lynch. How many people really thought Palmar was scum? He just did it because he could.And even if you somehow don't believe he's Scum he is clearly a net negative for the Town. He literally has done nothing - and this is coming from a guy who's been afk, caught up on only 30 pages or so and sees the nonsense plain as day.
The nightkills - 3 dead. All Town. I refuse, literally refuse to think a vigilante shot any of them over Holyfield. Like it seems unfathomable that the targets would end up at Marv, Iamp, or Koshi (lol wut?). Especially with one being Vet and dying (maybe Rb + shot). If there's a third party out there, I think it goes without saying you should start shooting scum or clashing flips from now on
Lastly, I saw something about marv playing cop wrong. I actually think he made himself "obvious town" or whatever you want to call it and should have drawn night protection. Especially since he was a replacement with fresh eyes into the game. Maybe we have no more docs or the kill went through somehow. Either way I think it's worth backtracking him and iamps posts (-2 nightlife means very desperate kill) especially.
I don't know if you've ever played with HF but him being lax is the one reason I think he's town.
I don't understand if your point on the nightkills is tied to HF? Or is it just a rant
I think his style is just to focus a lot around power roles.
On March 04 2019 03:43 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I think if you lean red on everyone it's only slightly better than leaning green on everyone. I'd almost call it a scum play Oats does put pressure on HF. I'd still lean Oats because even with that pressure he doesn't commit to any sort of scum team besides "half the thread", at least in any meaningful way to advance the game.
On March 06 2019 09:53 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: There's actually two parts missing. "I'd almost call it a scum play [but] Oats does put pressure on HF. I'd still lean [red on] Oats because even with..."
That being said, it's the slightest of scum leans and I never grouped him in my lynch targets like Trfel, LS, etc.
meh. Maybe. It's kinda weak
Honestly I've been mostly going just off Palmar/Marv's take on Sentinel for my read so far but I'm wading into his filter now and it's really not pretty.
Read here:
On March 03 2019 00:07 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Stale takes by this point but I have town reads on TT and myself and I'm behind vigging Exo
@rsoultin I'm pretty sure Chez shitposts in every thread regardless of alignment. What makes him scum in this particular case?
His read on TT is In line with thread sentiment as he said in the post. Later in his big reads post he drops a scum read on TT based off the same early game posts that he already read when he called TT town the first time. (note the timestamps.)
On March 02 2019 10:27 Damdred wrote: LS is town, that is all.
More when I get home and find a town circle to kill from within.
Ehh, I can't make up my mind what I want to say about this, I agree with him (which typically gives me townfeels for Damdred) but this feels like an easy, "free" read and post from Damdred. For some reason was noteworty to me... idk.
Great detective work! I would love to have you on my team as lead investigator! I will be sure that the corporate office hear of this amazing discovery!
Best, Chezinu Isunizehc
Why does this game irrelevant post get praise from you Chez?
On March 02 2019 10:33 LightningStrike wrote: Me and Damdred aren't masons even though I wish we were masons
Honest to a fault... Totes town.
Willing to give solid townleans on Trefl and LS, and a minor townlean on Damdred thus far. I've also got a bit of a gutread on FF at this point, but I'm not sharing it yet.
What's interesting here is that the foundation of all of this is LS's first three posts. I don't know which three posts qualify but up to the "me and Damdred aren't masons" LS has posted nothing of substance, town or not.
Damdy is town because he agrees with LS. He's masons with LS and LS is town so they can't be scum together. Oops LS isn't a mason but LS is town and Damdy is still town because he said LS is town.
LS can be a hard player to read, but all these posts are honest sadness that people are starting to play for real and not just joke around and shoot the breeze as many recent games have started.
Not saying I have some kinda God-Read on him or anything, but that is how I try to and what I get from those posts.
So all of his town reads by association come from a belief that LS is honest. And that belief is predicated on the fact that LS was joking around.
HF seems to be posting to post and I don't like it, but it's not really a scum read right now. It's just him coasting.
Speaking of my Watch List, I think it's something like this right now: ... HF (just not comfortable with him just floating around the game making no impact, yet being relatively present)
On March 03 2019 13:47 Tictock wrote: Ok, I came, I saw, I did some things. Seems like ppl are not around so gunna do other things. May check in once more before bed but I am pretty sure I am not going to fully read the stuff I missed.
I'd like someone who is wanting to lynch oats to convince me why he is scum.
Similarly as to why ppl are voting HF for mayor.
If deadline was right now/soon I would push for Meap or Grack to lynch.
I don't like this post because he started with a gutread on her and acted off that information throughout the game, leading to the conclusion: rsoultin is town. It cheapens the value of all the evidence he posts afterward to support the fact rsoultin is town.
On March 04 2019 03:43 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I think if you lean red on everyone it's only slightly better than leaning green on everyone. I'd almost call it a scum play Oats does put pressure on HF. I'd still lean Oats because even with that pressure he doesn't commit to any sort of scum team besides "half the thread", at least in any meaningful way to advance the game.
On March 05 2019 01:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Oats hasn't changed much beyond the dart throwing. I still don't see how that makes him scum.
On March 06 2019 09:53 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: There's actually two parts missing. "I'd almost call it a scum play [but] Oats does put pressure on HF. I'd still lean [red on] Oats because even with..."
That being said, it's the slightest of scum leans and I never grouped him in my lynch targets like Trfel, LS, etc.
meh. Maybe. It's kinda weak
Honestly I've been mostly going just off Palmar/Marv's take on Sentinel for my read so far but I'm wading into his filter now and it's really not pretty.
Read here:
On March 03 2019 00:07 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Stale takes by this point but I have town reads on TT and myself and I'm behind vigging Exo
@rsoultin I'm pretty sure Chez shitposts in every thread regardless of alignment. What makes him scum in this particular case?
His read on TT is In line with thread sentiment as he said in the post. Later in his big reads post he drops a scum read on TT based off the same early game posts that he already read when he called TT town the first time. (note the timestamps.)
On March 02 2019 10:27 Damdred wrote: LS is town, that is all.
More when I get home and find a town circle to kill from within.
Ehh, I can't make up my mind what I want to say about this, I agree with him (which typically gives me townfeels for Damdred) but this feels like an easy, "free" read and post from Damdred. For some reason was noteworty to me... idk.
Great detective work! I would love to have you on my team as lead investigator! I will be sure that the corporate office hear of this amazing discovery!
Best, Chezinu Isunizehc
Why does this game irrelevant post get praise from you Chez?
On March 02 2019 10:33 LightningStrike wrote: Me and Damdred aren't masons even though I wish we were masons
Honest to a fault... Totes town.
Willing to give solid townleans on Trefl and LS, and a minor townlean on Damdred thus far. I've also got a bit of a gutread on FF at this point, but I'm not sharing it yet.
What's interesting here is that the foundation of all of this is LS's first three posts. I don't know which three posts qualify but up to the "me and Damdred aren't masons" LS has posted nothing of substance, town or not.
Damdy is town because he agrees with LS. He's masons with LS and LS is town so they can't be scum together. Oops LS isn't a mason but LS is town and Damdy is still town because he said LS is town.
LS can be a hard player to read, but all these posts are honest sadness that people are starting to play for real and not just joke around and shoot the breeze as many recent games have started.
Not saying I have some kinda God-Read on him or anything, but that is how I try to and what I get from those posts.
So all of his town reads by association come from a belief that LS is honest. And that belief is predicated on the fact that LS was joking around.
HF seems to be posting to post and I don't like it, but it's not really a scum read right now. It's just him coasting.
Speaking of my Watch List, I think it's something like this right now: ... HF (just not comfortable with him just floating around the game making no impact, yet being relatively present)
On March 03 2019 13:47 Tictock wrote: Ok, I came, I saw, I did some things. Seems like ppl are not around so gunna do other things. May check in once more before bed but I am pretty sure I am not going to fully read the stuff I missed.
I'd like someone who is wanting to lynch oats to convince me why he is scum.
Similarly as to why ppl are voting HF for mayor.
If deadline was right now/soon I would push for Meap or Grack to lynch.
I don't like this post because he started with a gutread on her and acted off that information throughout the game, leading to the conclusion: rsoultin is town. It cheapens the value of all the evidence he posts afterward to support the fact rsoultin is town.
Leaning red
man did TT really post nothing between these 2 posts ??? this is looking mych better
Everything that Sentinel later quotes for TT being scum occur before Sentinel town reads him. The one thing I'll say is that he takes a hard stance towards LS in his big post and maybe that causes him to re-evaluate, but I'm still pretty suspicious of his town read in the first place then if he dislikes those posts so much.
On March 07 2019 17:18 rsoultin wrote: Also need to read what this thing on sent is all about that Rels was yes ma'aming. Getting pretty burnt out, though. Like legit I don't know what's wrong with me can't find anything I feel super strong about beyond a few townreads burnt out.
lol nobody reads what I post. My only chance is to pester other people whose posts might be read.
On March 07 2019 17:18 rsoultin wrote: Also need to read what this thing on sent is all about that Rels was yes ma'aming. Getting pretty burnt out, though. Like legit I don't know what's wrong with me can't find anything I feel super strong about beyond a few townreads burnt out.
lol nobody reads what I post. My only chance is to pester other people whose posts might be read.
On March 08 2019 03:41 darthfoley wrote: so i have 75 pages to read... and i'm getting shoulder surgery tomorrow and my arm will be in a sling for a month.
I'll spend the next couple hours trying to make sense of this stuff and be useful for once. If you want to vig me, that might be ideal lol
If there are major points of contention and/or stuff I should definitely read, please let me know. Otherwise i'll be just stream of consciousness posting as I catch up.
Read the last few pages of my filter and Rayns filter and Mocsta's filter. Every one else is just back and forth between HF and BH.
On March 08 2019 03:41 darthfoley wrote: so i have 75 pages to read... and i'm getting shoulder surgery tomorrow and my arm will be in a sling for a month.
I'll spend the next couple hours trying to make sense of this stuff and be useful for once. If you want to vig me, that might be ideal lol
If there are major points of contention and/or stuff I should definitely read, please let me know. Otherwise i'll be just stream of consciousness posting as I catch up.
Read the last few pages of my filter and Rayns filter and Mocsta's filter. Every one else is just back and forth between HF and BH.
Do you think rayn is town? And why?
No I don't. If Rayn is town then I am probably massively misreading the game.
On March 08 2019 03:41 darthfoley wrote: so i have 75 pages to read... and i'm getting shoulder surgery tomorrow and my arm will be in a sling for a month.
I'll spend the next couple hours trying to make sense of this stuff and be useful for once. If you want to vig me, that might be ideal lol
If there are major points of contention and/or stuff I should definitely read, please let me know. Otherwise i'll be just stream of consciousness posting as I catch up.
Read the last few pages of my filter and Rayns filter and Mocsta's filter. Every one else is just back and forth between HF and BH.
Do you think rayn is town? And why?
No I don't. If Rayn is town then I am probably massively misreading the game.
Then why did you recommend DF reads his filter?
Because he's one of three people that have contributed non-HF/BH scumhunting posts in this cycle.
On March 08 2019 04:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: oh btw from now on i am gonna be a little bitch and report all "offences" to hosts because they can be hurstful to a soul of some person..... so no swearing, no anything else. inbetween tl rules you idiots. i am done with me getting all the shit for nothing.
On March 07 2019 22:32 Jockmcplop wrote: I'm leaning heavily towards a scum read on BH right now. The more he posts the more scummy his motivations seem to be. His attacks on hf look as if he has made them up on the spot in an effort to try and paint hf as mafia, rather than coming to natural conclusions about hf from available evidence.
The best example of this is the following post:
On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote: HF why did you claim a shot on me?
Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.
In the Scum QT: Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost. Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me. Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad. Other Scums: oh no! Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH. Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH... Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched. Other Scums: good idea
Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me
This is pure speculation and I like how creative it is, but it is not evidence.
He then refers back to this as 'compelling' a few posts later, but as we can see it isn't compelling its a rather badly shoehorned piece of fiction, designed to create an mirage.
On March 06 2019 18:31 Blazinghand wrote:
Whatever the particulars of the bad Palmar scumread, I still think this is easily the most compelling reason for the HF scum case:
On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote: HF why did you claim a shot on me?
Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.
In the Scum QT: Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost. Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me. Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad. Other Scums: oh no! Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH. Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH... Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched. Other Scums: good idea
Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me
HF has largely abandoned his provably false ideas of "well, I couldn't change the mayor lynch" given the way the mayor lynch is received mechanically and the fact he was in thread and watched and commented on the shenannnies as they went down. Just for killing Palmar is he scum? eh, maybe not. But for lying about it, then slithering away from the lie when called out? oh yeah baby
Ok, so what is the point of town!HF to claim a fake vig shot? I didn't incorporate it in my case, because it's mostly wifom, but I really don't see it:
1. He made a big play and it backfired spectacularly. 2. He makes another big play just for shit and giggles? WTF?
Now, lets say BH had gotten vig'd. We'd have a townie counterclaiming the vig shot, and today would have been an even bigger shitshow. Lynch all liars is a damned good policy for a reason, because even if townies *do* do this kind of stupid shit, it is blatantly anti-town play. And the *second* time HF does a big anti-town play in the same damn game.
That's true, but doesn't say anything about the point I am making. This story BH is telling is meaningless, as if he needed something completely made up to emphasize his argument for some reason. Also, if we are lynching people for anti-town play, what about the whole of D1/N1 from BH? Blatant anti-town play that has no upside or no possible upside for town.
You say BH is scummy for making up a narrative. While the narrative is of course pure speculation, it's just a funny way of presenting the problem here:
FACT: HF claimed vigilante FACT: HF is not a vigilante CONCLUSION: HF fakeclaimed vigilante.
So there are two options: HF is town and fakeclaimed vigilante, or HF is scum and fakeclaimed vigilante.
You seem to lean towards it being town!HF fakeclaiming vigilante, because in his own words, he was adding "suspense" around the daypost. I mean.. sure, he has shown so far that HF only really cares about HF, so he might just have done it for the shit of it, but you ignored the whole conundrum of my post earlier. How do you explain town!HF not even thinking that there was a real vig that would really shoot BH?
I mean... who cares if there was a real vig? I could just rescind my claim or get killed which, again, would make my position a 1 for 1 trade if I survived somehow (which I wouldn't in this case) which I would never like.
You've mentioned a few times that you've provided evidence that you do this kind of last second fakeclaim as town and have done so before - can you link to a game or state the name of a game in which you did this?
On March 09 2019 09:06 Holyflare wrote: Oh hey look absolutely everyone that would be defending me died and the one guy that yelled about lynching me for dumb reasons was mafia. That's cool.
On March 09 2019 09:06 Holyflare wrote: Oh hey look absolutely everyone that would be defending me died and the one guy that yelled about lynching me for dumb reasons was mafia. That's cool.
Way to make the nightkills all about yourself.
Am I wrong though?
Probably?
I haven't read for a while but I'm guessing you're probably safe from lynching until LYLO after the last day.
On March 09 2019 09:48 sicklucker wrote: wiggles is probably the lynch. everyone in the world seems to scum read. not me but hey i didnt read his posts and im here to sheep
On March 10 2019 16:16 Tictock wrote: Sential is probably scum just for the way overblown explanation/defense of his townread on Ace. Or whatever the hell that post was supposed to be.
I want to +1 this.
I wrote down that post in my notes because it seems like Sentinel is writing posts just to show effort to stay alive rather than having any drive of his own. So much effort to respond to a half-assed accusation from Rels saying that he was avoiding commenting on Ace.
On March 11 2019 00:12 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Quick dive tells me Tictock is still mafia
##Vote: Ace
Why are you voting Ace?
You literally just wrote an enormous post town reading Ace the other night. If you're going to change reads you have to give people some idea of why you're doing what you're doing.
I don't know why Rayn thinks that. Mafia mason isn't uncommon and I've had that role before as mafia where you get to choose a new person to invite to QT each day.
On March 11 2019 04:22 Grackaroni wrote: I think town loses if Ace is the lynch today.
I read through his filter and didn't find it very townie but that's my read on the game.
this seems contradictory, pls explain
What I meant was that I didn't think this was going to be a scum lynch judging by the state of the thread and my reads. I didn't find anything really lynchworthy in Ace's filter but nothing really townie either.
I think Sentinel is the right lynch today for the following reasons:
The attitude change pointed out by Marv/Palmar. (I think Marv is good at reading people's personalities.)
The long effort reads post with a blank in front of his read on Oats followed by two different reads on Oats . The town read on TT's early game posts followed by scum lean in the big post where he quotes TT's posts. If he had actually read the posts that TT made then he would never have townread TT for making posts that he showed that he disliked so much in his big post.
The other big post that he made was in response to Rels asking him why he was avoiding commenting on Ace. His two big posts in the game seem to be wanting to show effort/posting to post rather than seeing things in thread that interests him and writing about them.
On March 11 2019 06:40 Grackaroni wrote: I was under the impression that both these mad hatter claims were fake. It's a pretty crazy role.
My role in my own words so as to not quote my role pm:
I have one bomb that I can place on a player at night. If I die that night, that player dies unless that player is protected or I get roleblocked. If I don't die, the bomb is returned to me. I win with town.
On March 11 2019 07:10 Rels wrote: Ace's case against Sent is not bad in a vacuum but the timing of his return is awfully close to the deadline. Seems like he waited until the last moment to try to get a switch going
Why is the timing scummy? That puts him at a disadvantage if people leave a vote on him and fuck off and he waits until the EoD to contest his lynch.
On March 11 2019 07:07 Pandain wrote: I'm down with lynching Slam but I think Sentinel is worse for the reasons I posted earlier. I don't think others are there quite yet.
Sent lynch will overall give us more info in the case he flips scum. Some good associative reads can probably be built.
Slam would be removing a question mark.
I'd keep my vote on Sent every time.
what do you think you will learn if sent flips town/mafia?
If Sent flips mafia then the Palmar mayor vote gives a lot of info.
On March 11 2019 07:43 Ace wrote: I don't think you should divert the lynch train to Slam unless you think Sentinel is Town. Doing so could end up in a mislynch on someone else as Scum feigns confusion.
On March 11 2019 07:51 Vivax wrote: It's not even about Sentinel, it's about how people like Grack and TT show a pinpoint burst of effort I haven't seen before in this game.
yeah that's kinda what I feel. Sentinel looks like shit but I don't like the timing of this whole thing
Bullshit. I've been pushing Sentinel for a while now. It just finally looked like there might be some traction today.
I don't there's all that high chance of me dying but I have to go now and won't be back before deadline.
Town:
LS Ticktock TW (obv) Vivax Alakaslam (see post about slam mafia post count history)
Lean town
Acrofales Ace Pandain Mr. Wiggles
Lean scum:
Chezinu - (I like the group on his wagon yesterday + Onegu reasoning on there likely being a scum option in the 3 Acro targets seems reasonable.)
Unsubstantiated scum guesses:
Mocsta - (I will go into later. Don't write him off based only on effort he has a dangerous scum game. Interaction with Palmar seemed very unusual.)
Rels - Started taking control of the thread to push the Ace lynch. Did not really engage in the game the same way when all of the stronger players were still here.
On March 09 2019 17:20 Vivax wrote: Rels what happened to you? Did you get a brain transplant over night or is there a particular reason you sound entirely different from the first two days.
On March 12 2019 03:55 Vivax wrote: If I were mafia against a town Tubesock, I'd push the living shit out of him provided I'd actually be posting as mafia.
On March 12 2019 08:08 sicklucker wrote: What im not surprised at all by these nks. They just are lyncing down the vet list with goid rep (ace) i think most sane people townread tick.
Why were these night kills unsurprising but the night 2 ones were bad? What's your thought process there?
On March 12 2019 21:34 LightningStrike wrote: Me and Rels been talking in the QT and concluding that MZ is very likely Mafia based on the night kills. WoS scumread him Tina needed a closer look on him Rayn was scumreading him? (Don't know if he changed his read or kept the read after he said MZ is possible scum) Marv didn't say much on him Koshi was townreading him Iamp ??????? TT: Lynch into MZ and Wiggles Ace: ?????? Plus Rels been scumreading him and I agree with him on that front he’s very likely to flip scum for us. ##Unvote ##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh
Looking back at his filter Rayn was really nailing his town reads. I see what looks like potentially pretty strong reason from Rayn to scum read MZ for his Sentinel read.
On March 03 2019 15:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: The only snag in my mind is why did he even bother telling the thread. If he legitimately hasn't read his role PM what advantage does it buy him as town to tell the thread about it. Like if you want your play to be "neutral" (which as palmar noted is a strategy that is inherently advantageous to mafia) why tell the thread what you're doing. That said I like the idea of policy lynching someone playing a strategy that is blatantly anti town. I'm going to vote Palmar for mayor and suspend my own campaign.
Why did you write this sentence?
On March 05 2019 16:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am like 99% sure that Meapak knows Sentinel is town.
I am trying to wrap my mind around this here and am going in circles a bit. From how I read it you think Sentinel might be not reading his role PM as scum to get an advantage but he is neutralizing his advantage by telling people?
No I think that's wrong. Getting 2 kills for 1 isn't worthwhile if Chez is town and can be used as a potential counterwagon/mislynch. He's unlikely to be able to clear himself if he is town.
I went deep into the bowels of HF's filter. This right here is a 10/10 case. I checked up on Mocsta's past scum games and fake rage is completely in character for a Mocsta scum game. I will write my own thing on Mocsta later but I think this is the best lynch for today and should have gotten more attention when HF was alive, but I didn't really notice it since it was buried in 34 pages of crap.
On March 05 2019 21:21 Holyflare wrote: Knowing now that Palmar was town clears up a few things and makes interactions look incredibly feigned.
Mocsta begins the game in a point of unknowns and decides to read filters (I'll ignore that he doesn't actually get to reading mine, despite saying he would, for now).
Made up nonsense that you only figure out if you look into it
Sentinel seems ok. Like his first couple posts were iffy but seemed quite comfortable/relaxed esp when asking for vote pile up. I didnt like acro in sentinel filter. Cheesy focus on lurjers.. reqd like he was polishing a turd. Im not against a policy lynch but it would be purely that. I would prefer mayor vote on him so ppl are forced to take a stand for the lynch itself.
This Mocsta post was made on March 03 2019 15:00 GMT. I've gone into Sentinel's filter and compared it to what actually happened in his filter Here (click me) and Sentinel's last post before this was post #936 at March 03 2019 02:46 GMT. Not once is Acrofales mentioned in the entirety of Sentinel's filter here. I've even checked the chains of EVERY single post in his filter before then and Acrofales is not mentioned at all, in any of them or even hinted at. So why does Mocsta say this?
In my opinion I believe it was so that he could start going on Acro or at least "read his filter".
On March 04 2019 00:10 Mocsta wrote: Acro filter is giving me tingles
Posting is quite hot/cold and the generic mafia stuff is over embellished - i get why palmar says its "logical" but doesnt mean it came from town.. its just general knowledge play in my opinion.
I woukd give him town credit for posting when saying hes busy but theres a overarching tone of ?anger / haste?.
My only hesitation is i already was leaning against him before i read filter - so i am interrsted in where others sit with acro.
Gonna read oats now
His Acro read is the most generic thing you can possibly post. Not only is it wishy washy in the sense he doesn't ACTUALLY give a substantial read but it doesn't actually say anything either. He's angry and hot/cold? ok?
On March 02 2019 16:17 Acrofales wrote: I just started reading and 3 pages in stopped again. From this point onwards, I will be operating on a lynch all liars policy, because holy shit, mafia claims are the dumbest things I have ever seen. So yeah. Claim mafia beyond this point and I'll assume it's the truth. I also refuse to read anything else up to here, unless someone specifically points me somewhere in the first 23 pages worth reading.
Now can we keep the postcount reasonable? This isn't a mini, and I'm going sailing all weekend and have a deadline on Monday.
Thanks.
Acrofales, the townie.
Which literally explains it. Acro even points this out in a post directed to Mocsta but Mocsta has his biggest scum read on this guy but never EVER acknowledges this post which perfectly dissuades any of the substantial point(s) he has.
Mocsta finally un-scum reads Acro based on a post that doesn't quite make any sense from Acro. Acro says that BH is just like the people missing from his list but he's on there anyway which is literally the entire point of Tubesocks's post and Acro's post is essentially a list post that focuses on lurkers and people not doing much, which was exactly what Mocsta disliked Acro for in the beginning of the game!
On March 04 2019 22:14 Mocsta wrote: ##unvote: acro
I stopped scum reading him from #1416 onwards. Fingers in multiple pies, and consistent thought process throughout 3-4 of his 5 pages. Too much uncertainty/effort for mafia.
I only played one scum game with iamp and he literally trolled the whole time. I recall that was what he was known for. Thats enough for me to give him a pass Day1 whether the case was good or bad.
Palmar filter was good because it had some quotes from rayn and acro. I like that rayn picked up on acro.. palmars counter about weak play are fair and aceo is a solid player. But i give higher credit to weekend and massive game = preference to cop out even if mafia. I do like palmat back and forth with rayn and even though i know palmar excels at pushing for thread soapbox position it read as if he was trying to work with the thread instead of pretend to keep up a facade.
He says he likes Palmar's filter so far (this read through occurred when Palmar was at the start of page 2 of his filter) because Palmar is defending Acro and soap boxing about policy lynching, which he knows Palmar is good at, as both alignments! So he chooses an alignment for Palmar based on an arbitrary metric of weekend playing. That's ok in a vacuum. He even follows it up saying he's voting Palmar for mayor:
On March 04 2019 07:46 Holyflare wrote: I also think Mocsta purposefully neglected to read my filter over the ones he "chose" so he could have an excuse to join the Palmar mayor wagon.
Not true
I was going to read urs last of the three. But palmars led me down the path it did and i was content
I havent read urs and will avoid it as long as i can. Mainly because i suspect ur filter is big and cos i havent seen anything untoward from you that others quoted
He's content with Palmar, read his filter and everything but 4 hours later he's all over my Palmar case that says I'm lynching Palmar:
On March 04 2019 18:07 Holyflare wrote: My mayor lynch will be on Palmar by the way.
I can get behind this, but what's the reasoning behind it?
Only talks about town reads, has no suspicions on pretty much anything in the game. Perpetuates nonsense policy lynch after he likes Sentinel's effort when he hasn't even read it. His last post about acro is entirely a wall of hedge whereby he looks like he's falsely weighing up Acro's alignment but really it's wishy washy and says nothing.
His iamp read looks completely bs too for similar reasons to his acro read. Iamp is town but wait here's reasons I can say he's not town later in the game.
None of this is concrete town palmar stuff. There's also the fact we can acknowledge that mafia were pushing for his candidacy if he does flip mafia
Hf u swayed my mayor vote
Now we're in a situation where Mocsta has liked everything about Palmar, has completely done a 180 and is now voting me for mayor to lynch Palmar and we're in a situation where Mocsta's mindset is that Palmar is scummy, or at least that I have a good platform based on lynching him. What happens next? It's the infamous Palmar/Mocsta rage explosion.
1. Mocsta criticises Palmar for misconstruing his filter: + Show Spoiler +
On March 04 2019 05:40 Pandain wrote: I'm only halfway through and might not even completely finishing catching up tonight, but I'm just going to say anyone who favors policy lynches is completely making the wrong decision. We literally already have over 60 pages of information to find scum, let's not waste a lynch.
Favoring policy lynches encourages lazy play and for mafia just to blend in with bland reasons, and it doesn't benefit town because most people who get lynched from a policy lynched are the people who don't give a fuck (most likely town).
Policy lynches are only good as a threat to promote good behavior, they're not good to actually implement. But I'm pretty sure most people favoring them right now don't have that view.
alarm bell
Berates town when not even caught up.....
He's not berating town at all, he's making an argument on how to play the game. It's actually put forward in a pretty respectful way. Of course it's fucking wrong but that's not the point. I fully believe Pandain actually believes what he's say.
Overall I dislike Mocsta's filter.
On March 04 2019 00:28 Mocsta wrote:
On March 02 2019 21:59 Trfel wrote: I actually kinda want to lynch sicklucker.
He's currently contributed almost no reads (if I recall correctly, dislike of Acrofales and a town-to-meh read on rsoultin). Yet he took the time to defend himself verbosely from the slightest suspicion of rsoultin, which feels highly overdefensive, but his argument was defending his townread of rsoultin while his read, just previously posted, seemed far less committed:
On March 02 2019 17:08 sicklucker wrote: rsoultin is town dawg. maybe. na. maybe. na
Does that make sense? It doesn't look like he's trying to find mafia, just trying to exist.
Bad post and trfel knows it
Town can have all these symptoms.. which is why he hesitates with i kinds want to...
Okay, so you think it's a bad post... and then what? I mean, Mocsta is not wrong, town does stupid shit, but the entire point of the exercise is to figure out which stupid shit is done by mafia. Even the wording on "Town can have all these symptoms" doesn't invalidate Trfel's point that mafia could have those symptoms.
If it's such a bad post do you want to investigate Trfel? Because you didn't post about him ever again since then. Or was it simply a defense of sicklucker? I didn't think your "not posting shit in the thread" read on sicklucker is strong enough to warrant defending him.
Overall the feeling I get from Mocsta is he's either attacking or complimenting single posts (the two I quoted, some post by BC etc) without much direction. He's not trying to get anything done, he's just... posting.
He's a really good candidate for mafia.
yes my posts have no direction
So why does that make me a good candidate for mafia.
U clearly are skimming my less than one page filter because its clear i did investigste trfel and spelled out a clear conclusion.
Again. Ither than me rescinding my mayor vote on yoy and agreeing with some hf points. Why are yoy treating my filter as worst possible scenario.
Why are you ignoring exo..
2. Mocsta thinks Palmar is arguing circular logic and is treating him like confirmed mafia already and doesn't like the cut of Palmar's jib: + Show Spoiler +
On March 04 2019 05:40 Pandain wrote: I'm only halfway through and might not even completely finishing catching up tonight, but I'm just going to say anyone who favors policy lynches is completely making the wrong decision. We literally already have over 60 pages of information to find scum, let's not waste a lynch.
Favoring policy lynches encourages lazy play and for mafia just to blend in with bland reasons, and it doesn't benefit town because most people who get lynched from a policy lynched are the people who don't give a fuck (most likely town).
Policy lynches are only good as a threat to promote good behavior, they're not good to actually implement. But I'm pretty sure most people favoring them right now don't have that view.
alarm bell
Berates town when not even caught up.....
He's not berating town at all, he's making an argument on how to play the game. It's actually put forward in a pretty respectful way. Of course it's fucking wrong but that's not the point. I fully believe Pandain actually believes what he's say.
Overall I dislike Mocsta's filter.
On March 04 2019 00:28 Mocsta wrote:
On March 02 2019 21:59 Trfel wrote: I actually kinda want to lynch sicklucker.
He's currently contributed almost no reads (if I recall correctly, dislike of Acrofales and a town-to-meh read on rsoultin). Yet he took the time to defend himself verbosely from the slightest suspicion of rsoultin, which feels highly overdefensive, but his argument was defending his townread of rsoultin while his read, just previously posted, seemed far less committed:
On March 02 2019 17:08 sicklucker wrote: rsoultin is town dawg. maybe. na. maybe. na
Does that make sense? It doesn't look like he's trying to find mafia, just trying to exist.
Bad post and trfel knows it
Town can have all these symptoms.. which is why he hesitates with i kinds want to...
Okay, so you think it's a bad post... and then what? I mean, Mocsta is not wrong, town does stupid shit, but the entire point of the exercise is to figure out which stupid shit is done by mafia. Even the wording on "Town can have all these symptoms" doesn't invalidate Trfel's point that mafia could have those symptoms.
If it's such a bad post do you want to investigate Trfel? Because you didn't post about him ever again since then. Or was it simply a defense of sicklucker? I didn't think your "not posting shit in the thread" read on sicklucker is strong enough to warrant defending him.
Overall the feeling I get from Mocsta is he's either attacking or complimenting single posts (the two I quoted, some post by BC etc) without much direction. He's not trying to get anything done, he's just... posting.
He's a really good candidate for mafia.
yes my posts have no direction
So why does that make me a good candidate for mafia.
U clearly are skimming my less than one page filter because its clear i did investigste trfel and spelled out a clear conclusion.
Again. Ither than me rescinding my mayor vote on yoy and agreeing with some hf points. Why are yoy treating my filter as worst possible scenario.
Why are you ignoring exo..
the more i think about this palmar post. Thr more annoyed i get
Its bullshit.
Im town and have no knowledge of scum or setup Im nkt rjnning for mayor The mayor / kynch is effectively spoken for..
What direction exactly is he expecting from me
If i post. Its no direction. If i dont post. Im useless town tonbe vigged
Hes creating a damned if you do. Damned if you dont srgument.
Its bullshit and i sont like it.
3. Mocsta gets annoyed at Palmar's position, who he thinks is scummy(?) but treats Palmar like he's insulting him when Palmar could have just been mafia ruffling his feathers on purpose: + Show Spoiler +
On March 04 2019 19:58 Mocsta wrote: Im town and have no knowledge of scum or setup
Neither does anyone else, doesn't stop them helping.
On March 04 2019 19:58 Mocsta wrote: Im nkt rjnning for mayor
So what?
On March 04 2019 19:58 Mocsta wrote: The mayor / kynch is effectively spoken for..
What direction exactly is he expecting from me
No it's not, the mayor race is very close and the lynch is on a very active player who is almost certainly going to make an effort not to get lynched.
I'm expecting you to argue for your positions.
On March 04 2019 19:58 Mocsta wrote: If i post. Its no direction. If i dont post. Im useless town tonbe vigged
Hes creating a damned if you do. Damned if you dont srgument.
Its bullshit and i sont like it.
This is incorrect. I want you to post, I'm just looking for your posts being in some coherent line of thought, some objective. If you want to make sure HF becomes the mayor, convince someone to help you do that. If you think Acro is the mafia, keep making the case.
To be fair though, this outburst looks kinda less scummy so I'm on the fence on your alignment. Starting to think maybe you're just really, really bad and not mafia.
*clap clap* you're just really, realy bad
see. this is why this is the last game on this forum.
Terrible mentality.
To be honest, I didn't sign up to be abused like this. No you didn't hurt my feelings, but Im not gonna put up with this crap.
I will give you one warning. Be a shithead like this again, and I will modkill.
I have played fairly, and whether my style is to your liking, is YOUR problem to deal with.
4. Mocsta says Palmar is being malicious and misrepresenting a series of events: + Show Spoiler +
On March 04 2019 19:57 Palmar wrote: I'm not treating your filter as worst possible scenario, I just looked at what was in it, which wasn't very much. I think it's not clear you investigated Trfel, you've not explained your reasoning for suspecting him beyond the one post I quoted. I'm not saying Trfel is town or anything, just that your reasons are trash.
At the top of this page there is a list showing the people I have opinion on, that's about a third of the game maybe. Why are you asking me about exo? Why not Ace? Conversion? BC? Oats? or anyone else out of the 20 or so people I haven't gotten around to reading yet?
Why dont you ask me then to explain further.
That's not my job. If I see 2 people vote Acro, one makes a case and actively tries to get him lynched and the other one is "I'm fine with lynching Acro" and then not another word, it's usually obvious which one I believe is invested in getting the correct lynch.
The onus is on you to push your ideas.
Bullshit.
You are debating about philosophy of how to play the game.
Just because I differ, doesnt make me any less town or scum.
There is a time and place to push; and when I entered Day1, the game was already at somehwat of a steady-state.
I dont believe sicklucker even made a case on acro, so you are being intentionally malicious in your recollection of events towards me.
5. Mocsta completely invalidates any kind of reactions he's had to Palmar by being wishy washy on him now: + Show Spoiler +
On March 04 2019 20:23 Holyflare wrote: Just keep me as mayor and palmar dies, easy life mocsta.
I already have my major vote
I need to contemplate the palmar mayor lynch a little bit more, as I can see his malicious posting to me being butthurt town. Then again, if he thinks so little of me, its unlikely that I made him butthurt. Then again, (again), I think I had the swing vote that see HF as mayor... So in short, I can see someone pumped for Mayor for the last game of TL, reciprocating in this fashion whether town or mafia.
I need to reread your thing on him, and follow through with reading acro/trfel.
On March 04 2019 19:58 Mocsta wrote: Im town and have no knowledge of scum or setup
Neither does anyone else, doesn't stop them helping.
On March 04 2019 19:58 Mocsta wrote: Im nkt rjnning for mayor
So what?
On March 04 2019 19:58 Mocsta wrote: The mayor / kynch is effectively spoken for..
What direction exactly is he expecting from me
No it's not, the mayor race is very close and the lynch is on a very active player who is almost certainly going to make an effort not to get lynched.
I'm expecting you to argue for your positions.
On March 04 2019 19:58 Mocsta wrote: If i post. Its no direction. If i dont post. Im useless town tonbe vigged
Hes creating a damned if you do. Damned if you dont srgument.
Its bullshit and i sont like it.
This is incorrect. I want you to post, I'm just looking for your posts being in some coherent line of thought, some objective. If you want to make sure HF becomes the mayor, convince someone to help you do that. If you think Acro is the mafia, keep making the case.
To be fair though, this outburst looks kinda less scummy so I'm on the fence on your alignment. Starting to think maybe you're just really, really bad and not mafia.
*clap clap* you're just really, realy bad
see. this is why this is the last game on this forum.
Terrible mentality.
To be honest, I didn't sign up to be abused like this. No you didn't hurt my feelings, but Im not gonna put up with this crap.
I will give you one warning. Be a shithead like this again, and I will modkill.
I have played fairly, and whether my style is to your liking, is YOUR problem to deal with.
Of course it is, I hate the way you've played so far this game, which is why I called it really really bad. It's you, not me, who's skirting the rules by threatening to get yourself modkilled.
I'm not the asshole here, you are. I push people's buttons to make them react. I get annoyed because you greatly misconstrued my position on you as a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" scenario, when it's very obvious what the problem I have with your posting is. If you put words in my mouth, I have to call you mafia, unless I actually believe you believe what you're writing, in which case you're just not showing me the respect of actually reading what I'm saying, in which case I'm completely justified in calling you bad.
It's super obvious I'm not against you posting. But for some reason you tried to paint it as such. After this exchange I actually don't think you did it because you're mafia.
So what am I left with?
fuck you palmar.
im done
7. Mocsta forgets all about this Palmar outburst and votes Conversion based on Palmar's really really weak case on Conversion: + Show Spoiler +
On March 04 2019 20:31 Palmar wrote: I don't like Conversion's filter. I especially hate this post:
On March 04 2019 08:13 Conversion wrote: I’m back sort of. I have interviews all week so wont play much today.
did MZ ever explain his reasoning on why he put Oats low on his scum list for scumreading me, the same as him, but excluded me from his to lynch list? also why he agreed with Oats making a large post of bullshit voted and saying “not town?”
if not I’d like to lynch him
We all know he could've checked the answer in like 3 mouse clicks. He's not posting because he wants to know whether this happened. He's posting because he's very gently asking other people to allow him to have the position that he's considering having.
It's a really, really scummy post.
hmmm took me a few reads to understand this, and yes I get it now. If the read is strong, he would check it himself an ask for "have the position" as eloquently said. If the read is weak, he should sheep,which he does not allude to in the slightest.
Even considering he is busy this is very lazy for town play.
Good pick up and Im happy to vote
##Vote:;Conversion
This case essentially boiled down to Conversion was too lazy to look up a point??????????????? It was enough to dissuade Mocsta from his earlier qualms with Palmar, enough to look past everything and vote for it, it was SO compelling. I don't believe it for a second. There's no way someone goes from that much hate to complacency and sheeping unless it was faked anger.
If he liked this case enough to sheep Palmar then why, knowing that I would lynch Palmar, did Mocsta not switch his vote off of me either? He was still voting me for mayor the entire time too.
On March 05 2019 21:27 marvellosity wrote: That’s a decent case
Why?
Its taking worsw case explanation
A lot of this is easy to explain as a townie with no knowledge.
Hf does this every game we play when im town I simply am not wishy washy when scum.
Again.ignore the big letyers. What did u actually like about it?
I will admit you didn’t sound scummy to me from the few posts I’d read.
I did just check sentinel’s filter though and I’m struggling to see where you got anything about not liking acro from it
does it matter?
It was either in sentinel sicklucker or palmar. Thise were the first three i read.
I read sicklucker because j thought he was tubesock. I wanted to read tubesock cos last game i played with him he was a very well reasoned and rstiinal town viice that i thought woukd br an easy read.
Let's fact check. Remember you specifically said the words:
I didnt like acro in sentinel filter. Cheesy focus on lurjers.. reqd like he was polishing a turd.
And the deadline is before March 03 2019 15:00 GMT
Sicklucker
SL taking to acro about Lynch all Liars, no mention of lurkers from Acro + Show Spoiler +
On March 02 2019 16:17 Acrofales wrote: I just started reading and 3 pages in stopped again. From this point onwards, I will be operating on a lynch all liars policy, because holy shit, mafia claims are the dumbest things I have ever seen. So yeah. Claim mafia beyond this point and I'll assume it's the truth. I also refuse to read anything else up to here, unless someone specifically points me somewhere in the first 23 pages worth reading.
Now can we keep the postcount reasonable? This isn't a mini, and I'm going sailing all weekend and have a deadline on Monday.
Thanks.
Acrofales, the townie.
what the hell did I just read. Your all bad so ill be bad so stop being so bad. also lynch all liars is the dumbest shit (at least here) and worrying about mafia claims. where did this majestic beast come from. mafiaish but def way to ego for me to handle for an entire mafia game
On March 02 2019 16:27 Acrofales wrote: Well, clearly failing as you just posted 3 one-liners in a row. Think. Then post. Also, my intention is quite obvious. I'm going away for the weekend and don't want to read 1000 posts like your last 3 when I get back.
then just vote the person you think is mafia before you go and stop being such a weiner
That's it.
Palmar
So aside from the fact that rayn's post is just bad analysis (Acro and HF both look fine at the moment), his thing on me is pretty hilarious
Palmar saying he likes Acro and no mention of lurkers: + Show Spoiler +
On March 03 2019 20:12 Palmar wrote: To be fair I mostly like Acro just for these two posts. They're the logical way to play the game.
On March 03 2019 17:09 Acrofales wrote: Enters Palmar: he claims to feel strongly about killing sent. So let him do it. All you need to decide is if Palmar is townie enough. But if we decide Palmar is townie enough to be mayor then he is free to kill whoever he likes. He sticks with sentinel and sentinel flips scum? We win, yay! Sheep Palmar into Armageddon. Sentinel flips town? We figure out if Palmars policy lynch is an ideological thing or a scum thing. Either way, we get information about Palmar out of this, which is a great thing to get out of D1.
On March 03 2019 17:11 Acrofales wrote: Oh, also, if sent was actually playing and being townie, I'd be more inclined to want him to live. But he has used this "foil" to be an attention whore and cop out of doing anything else so far. Not town play.
On March 03 2019 20:16 Palmar wrote: Like sure, if he is mafia and knows Sent is town, he could be setting up a pushback on me, but he'd have to be extra dumb to believe I'm afraid of following through with a good policy lynch because of town lashback.
I just think it's a weak play if he's mafia, and I like the fact he's not just focusing on the things in the thread right at that moment. I didn't actually read much of his cases. I got the feeling, possibly wrong, that he was reading and responding in the thread while still trying to filter out a few people. It looks like he's trying.
Like even if Sentinel flips town, lynching him is a good move for town right now. I have absolutely no qualms about killing people for playing anti-town.
Palmar filter was good because it had some quotes from rayn and acro. I like that rayn picked up on acro.. palmars counter about weak play are fair and aceo is a solid player. But i give higher credit to weekend and massive game = preference to cop out even if mafia. I do like palmat back and forth with rayn and even though i know palmar excels at pushing for thread soapbox position it read as if he was trying to work with the thread instead of pretend to keep up a facade.
In this quote, which happens after reading sl/palmar/sentinel Mocsta has already pre-determined Acro looks scummy somehow by the way because he says "he likes that rayn picked up on acro" which means he got to Palmer's filter and already had this predisposition to dislike Acro.
Uh-oh, it looks like we reached the end of all of their allotted time and we saw no mention of Acro focusing on lurkers or anything that would make Mocsta type what he did. What could that meaaaaaaaaaaaaaan?
Lynch all liars?
You are tunneled and embarrassing yourself Will.
Ok, no one mentioned the word lurker, and? Why can that not be my own interpretation or summation of policy lynch.
You are doing your usual thing of nitpicking phrasing that is not congruent with how you view things. It doesnt make me scum. It makes you tunneled.
You might not respect me as a player, but you should respect me enough not to spruik such blatantly and as you proved, easy to confirm as false, information.
Seriously, waste of time. Im going back to my game of AC. I've done my courtesy, no more replies.
I fully believe this is a tactic. When both Palmar/HF give benign purely game-related reasons for scum reading Mocsta he deflects it into them disrespecting him as a player/person.
Mocsta filter actually isn't as bad as I thought past around page 3 or so. The one consistent impression I get is that he seems scared of confronting strong players.
I dislike the big Ace scum read post. He wrote an entire essay about Ace's take on the mayor role without any real point behind him needing to comment on it. That reads like effort for effort's sake to me when somebody writes so much about something that can be summarized in 1-2 sentences.
I still think HF's point on the Palmar contradictions shows scum behavior.
I'd actually put Jock in the lean scum category at the moment.
He's clearly very intelligent but he reads so sterile to me. It's like he's missing a certain spark of townie first game excitement. Just a lot of pointing out of the least useful filters.
On March 13 2019 03:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Acro and oats are either of you looking for reads on particular people?
I'm mainly looking for reads on you with this line of questioning. Any insight into the wagons of the day would be appreciated tho.
Those seem to be: you, TS, Chez, DF, maybe FF, maybe Slam.
I've had chez as town since d1, i wouldn't feel comfortable lynching into him until it was like 2v1 and I had a strong read on the other person.
I still think FF is scum.
I reread DF earlier today, i wouldn't put him as my number 1 scum read but he definitely pushed a lot of bad wagons that ended up on town.
I have no idea how to read slam
TS could be scum.
Also another note on rels: why in the world was rsoul shot instead of him? Like the whole mason thing pretty much confirmed her as town in many people's eyes but then scum shot TT and Ace instead of any other claims?
On July 12 2010 04:14 Chezinu wrote: So mafia, am I your godfather, the veteran, the dreaming mad hatter, or just your worse nightmare..wait a minute a nightmare is a dream..
On March 03 2019 17:10 Blazinghand wrote: Hey friends! hope everyone is doing well. I'm still catching up on page 19, it seems like we have a lot of activity which is great. I won't be going for the usual random lynch thing this time around, but I do have a suggestion that might help out if we're having trouble deciding on the lynch. Let me know if there's anything urgent I need to weigh in on as I catch up.
Well I’ll be damned
I don't RNG *every* time, heh.
Why not RNG Palmar? I know you can rig that shit.
This is crazy! I had a dream last night we eliminated 3 mafia in the night post. Palmer was second on the list. It was crazy seeing red at the end of day 1 in my dreams...
On March 02 2019 20:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote: As I said before. I have night continental shifts so my activity this weekend will be sporadic.
Current reads that matter.
Rsoultin Iamperfection
Chezinu
Now to go into the why.
Iamperfection has literally done nothing so far this game thus far. He accused chez for posting to post while providing next to - content in his own posts. The one post he makes where he outlines a "read" he doesn't go into it at all then back burners it to harass someone for not playing at the level he wants. I also hate people who talk about what any power role should do day 1 (actively talking about vig shots) as that leads to the potential of power roles outing themself to be sniped by mafia.
Rsoultin. The guy accuses a player (Chezinu) of posting fluff rp posts that provide no content. This post specifically screams at every core of my being.
On March 02 2019 20:27 rsoultin wrote: Pft. Chez was just such a non-entity in his roleplay posts. I don't care about the roleplay. It's just if he's engaged enough in the thread to roleplay, and also to try to communicate with other players and make comments about the game, I expect something shiny and smart from him. It doesn't have to be new.
But what he was giving were non-committal turds and I don't even know what that spoilered lynch list or ls emoticon thing was about.
Chezinu is a known quantity to RP in mafia games. Hes literally done it in some capacity in basically every game I can remember playing in with him. He always provides some form of content in said posts. He has literally given reads on players, and has been providing actual content without RP for a fucking change. Chez has clearly been doing more to push some form of conversation on players to force them to voice opinions. Clearly done more to help this game than most to this point.
Yes the guy has had some shit posts, but hes also playing the game seriously.
This post btw
Lynch chez
What you're suggesting doesn't make any sense. A mafia colored him green, so chez is scum? Just...What?
It's possible. I played with BC scum in a big game before where he made angry list posts that just placed all of his teammates as mafia for the wifom value instead of just trying to make reads normally like you would as town.
I did not like this post for that reason since Mocsta was in that game and should be familiar that BC does WIFOM like that.
On March 02 2019 20:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote: As I said before. I have night continental shifts so my activity this weekend will be sporadic.
Current reads that matter.
Rsoultin Iamperfection
Chezinu
Now to go into the why.
Iamperfection has literally done nothing so far this game thus far. He accused chez for posting to post while providing next to - content in his own posts. The one post he makes where he outlines a "read" he doesn't go into it at all then back burners it to harass someone for not playing at the level he wants. I also hate people who talk about what any power role should do day 1 (actively talking about vig shots) as that leads to the potential of power roles outing themself to be sniped by mafia.
Rsoultin. The guy accuses a player (Chezinu) of posting fluff rp posts that provide no content. This post specifically screams at every core of my being.
On March 02 2019 20:27 rsoultin wrote: Pft. Chez was just such a non-entity in his roleplay posts. I don't care about the roleplay. It's just if he's engaged enough in the thread to roleplay, and also to try to communicate with other players and make comments about the game, I expect something shiny and smart from him. It doesn't have to be new.
But what he was giving were non-committal turds and I don't even know what that spoilered lynch list or ls emoticon thing was about.
Chezinu is a known quantity to RP in mafia games. Hes literally done it in some capacity in basically every game I can remember playing in with him. He always provides some form of content in said posts. He has literally given reads on players, and has been providing actual content without RP for a fucking change. Chez has clearly been doing more to push some form of conversation on players to force them to voice opinions. Clearly done more to help this game than most to this point.
Yes the guy has had some shit posts, but hes also playing the game seriously.
Gut feeling, this makes me think Chez is town.
My theory is this: BC didnt want to lie about 3 alignments - I really think most ppl playing scum want to avoid this and so, we know iamp and rsoultin already.... He knew Chez was town; has that old-boy familiarity. So this lines up quite well with "stretching the legs and warming up". After all, its been a while since he played scum i assume?
On March 14 2019 02:46 ExO_ wrote: Has TS done/said something recently that makes him more likely to be scum than myself? I though TS was basically in the same boat of being afk as I was and I'm curious why he's generally being more pushed than me.
On March 14 2019 03:34 LightningStrike wrote: Warning I actually drinking alcohol while in game due to being stressed out over being an idiot on irl stuff >.<
I think the Chezinu green post is completely wrong. If he wanted to get shot he would have done some analysis, which he usually actually starts to do later in the game as town. This game he got called out and then started jabbering about being a mad hatter, and then when that role was counterclaimed he switched claims.
Also he's been softing blue roles for a while now.
On March 03 2019 17:10 Blazinghand wrote: Hey friends! hope everyone is doing well. I'm still catching up on page 19, it seems like we have a lot of activity which is great. I won't be going for the usual random lynch thing this time around, but I do have a suggestion that might help out if we're having trouble deciding on the lynch. Let me know if there's anything urgent I need to weigh in on as I catch up.
Well I’ll be damned
I don't RNG *every* time, heh.
Why not RNG Palmar? I know you can rig that shit.
This is crazy! I had a dream last night we eliminated 3 mafia in the night post. Palmer was second on the list. It was crazy seeing red at the end of day 1 in my dreams...
From what I can tell from my snooping, this was supposed to be a breadcrumb for the role "Dreamflower" which is a town role that gets KP and then dies if the person he shoots isn't scum.
Honestly it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if Chez is a Serial Killer and Mocsta, who has been posting a lot about serial killers and kp, is mafia.
On March 14 2019 05:00 darthfoley wrote: The only thing worthwhile in the Acro case on Onegu is his absolute insistence that no one gets any town cred from lynching Sentinel. That was overplayed and Onegu has seemed pretty chill in this game outside of those posts
I kind of agree. I think taking forever to give any town reads may actually be more town indicative than mafia indicative. A lot of his play was dropping low quality scum reads on many posts.
On March 14 2019 05:00 darthfoley wrote: The only thing worthwhile in the Acro case on Onegu is his absolute insistence that no one gets any town cred from lynching Sentinel. That was overplayed and Onegu has seemed pretty chill in this game outside of those posts
I kind of agree. I think taking forever to give any town reads may actually be more town indicative than mafia indicative. A lot of his play was dropping low quality scum reads on many posts.
On March 02 2019 19:54 rsoultin wrote: Also, even though I'm using the mayor slot to demonstrate where my townreads are, it's pretty irrelevant. Regardless of who we pick they should just be held accountable for lynching who town wants to lynch -shrugs-
Or are you suggesting rayn that we just leave that to the mayor and not simply use it as a second lynch mechanic?
100% agree with this. Going off this logic Rsoul would be my vote for Mayor.
Also, just enjoying this interaction between Rayn and Rsoul.
On March 02 2019 20:33 Holyflare wrote: If anyone cares my reads align with rsoul. I think. Chez suspicious. Guy posting catch ups was it trfel? Seemed mediocre and not any revelations. Iamp piggybacking me suspicious. Don't care if I like what he's said about people non-posting. That's easy to do.
Didn't like rayn that much tbh. He seems to not be saying much but talking in walls of text and circles.
I dunno I'm sorry I'm a bit shit right now but whatever.
Pretty sure that's me, and I don't give a shit kus you always seem to hate the way I interact with the game.
I also strongly disagree about Rayn, I see him pushing his own thoughts and thinking and explaining why, nothing circular at all.
HF seems to be posting to post and I don't like it, but it's not really a scum read right now. It's just him coasting.
On March 02 2019 20:35 rsoultin wrote: Like for me it breaks down like this:
You've got trolling people. You've got lurking people. You've got lazy people. You've got some overly aggressives that aren't giving me warm fuzzies (MP). You've got people I'm not sure about who when I'm not sure about them have a nasty habit of being scum (Rayn) but because he's burned me so often I'm not sure if that's not where the uncertainty's coming from.
And then you have seemingly excited to play, I respect the shit out of his intelligence Chez playing but not saying anything interesting. That first group can hide a lot of bad town play. But doing something without doing anything ticks off my scum meter to a higher degree.
Rsoul is starting to convince me... Idk. I don't particularly want to lynch Chez myself but I get where her read is coming from, and I am not opposed to a Chez lynch.
#540 Bloody's entry doesn't jive well with me, but mostly due to their reads being pretty opposite to my own. I can sorta see the logic in Bloody's reads, but it's very much in a scum-range of what to post to enter the game. Gut read leans scum, but I think deserves more to be on my watch list.
Speaking of my Watch List, I think it's something like this right now: Meap Grack Jock Mr. Wiggles Acro Bloddy HF (just not comfortable with him just floating around the game making no impact, yet being relatively present)
Rels is also close to being on this list for "playing" but only making a "Hi" post then laughing at something rayn did. He only escapes this list because I know he has actively avoided playing D1 as town in recent games. It's the fact that he tried to play a little but didn't actually that almost has him on it.
I don't agree with much of this, but I do like the post.
1) Rsoultin is posting easy reads and not actually doing much poking. I don't know how she'd go on anybody's town reads so far, and definitely nowhere near mayor material.
2) Cobbler posted some reads and something provocative, and gave time for them to answer. I liked his first post and will wait for more. The fact that he's aggressive seems fine. Not going to do anything meta with it, because the last time I played mafia is probably 4 years ago or so and while I remember playing with Cobbler I can't for the life of me remember his alignment. I do remember him being aggressive tho, but not abusive.
3) Everybody should be on your watch list. We are not even halfway though D1... but if I take it to mean a list of people who are posting suspiciously, the only ones I agree with is Grack. I don't understand the list anyway without justifications.
Grack made a useless list post as first entry and then fucked off again. It seemed quite a lot like scum doing stuff to "seem active". And I remember Grack being quite a useful player, so I agree with you there. The rest? Haven't even seen a post by Wiggles, Meepack seems no worse than most people, and Jock I'd say more clueless town than anything else. Cobbler see above, and HF actually seems to be trying some things too.
I also like the part he attacks a lot of people with minimal commitment. Looks like town calling how he sees it, while mafia wants to make friends and not attack people.
I think scum would be less likely to not drop any town reads than mafia would be. Mafia instinctively want to make some friends and little prods like that are just annoying and likely to get people to pay more attention to you.
On March 14 2019 05:21 Pandain wrote: @Acro thoughts on MZ?
Blehhh. I thought he was scum, but he posted some insightful stuff that made me doubt it when he actually started playing. There's still some big red flags, and there's plenty of scum to catch. But if we're going from likely scum to not likely scum he's no longer at the top.
On March 02 2019 20:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote: As I said before. I have night continental shifts so my activity this weekend will be sporadic.
Current reads that matter.
Rsoultin Iamperfection
Chezinu
Now to go into the why.
Iamperfection has literally done nothing so far this game thus far. He accused chez for posting to post while providing next to - content in his own posts. The one post he makes where he outlines a "read" he doesn't go into it at all then back burners it to harass someone for not playing at the level he wants. I also hate people who talk about what any power role should do day 1 (actively talking about vig shots) as that leads to the potential of power roles outing themself to be sniped by mafia.
Rsoultin. The guy accuses a player (Chezinu) of posting fluff rp posts that provide no content. This post specifically screams at every core of my being.
On March 02 2019 20:27 rsoultin wrote: Pft. Chez was just such a non-entity in his roleplay posts. I don't care about the roleplay. It's just if he's engaged enough in the thread to roleplay, and also to try to communicate with other players and make comments about the game, I expect something shiny and smart from him. It doesn't have to be new.
But what he was giving were non-committal turds and I don't even know what that spoilered lynch list or ls emoticon thing was about.
Chezinu is a known quantity to RP in mafia games. Hes literally done it in some capacity in basically every game I can remember playing in with him. He always provides some form of content in said posts. He has literally given reads on players, and has been providing actual content without RP for a fucking change. Chez has clearly been doing more to push some form of conversation on players to force them to voice opinions. Clearly done more to help this game than most to this point.
Yes the guy has had some shit posts, but hes also playing the game seriously.
This post btw
Lynch chez
What you're suggesting doesn't make any sense. A mafia colored him green, so chez is scum? Just...What?
It's possible. I played with BC scum in a big game before where he made angry list posts that just placed all of his teammates as mafia for the wifom value instead of just trying to make reads normally like you would as town.
I did not like this post for that reason since Mocsta was in that game and should be familiar that BC does WIFOM like that.
On March 02 2019 20:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote: As I said before. I have night continental shifts so my activity this weekend will be sporadic.
Current reads that matter.
Rsoultin Iamperfection
Chezinu
Now to go into the why.
Iamperfection has literally done nothing so far this game thus far. He accused chez for posting to post while providing next to - content in his own posts. The one post he makes where he outlines a "read" he doesn't go into it at all then back burners it to harass someone for not playing at the level he wants. I also hate people who talk about what any power role should do day 1 (actively talking about vig shots) as that leads to the potential of power roles outing themself to be sniped by mafia.
Rsoultin. The guy accuses a player (Chezinu) of posting fluff rp posts that provide no content. This post specifically screams at every core of my being.
On March 02 2019 20:27 rsoultin wrote: Pft. Chez was just such a non-entity in his roleplay posts. I don't care about the roleplay. It's just if he's engaged enough in the thread to roleplay, and also to try to communicate with other players and make comments about the game, I expect something shiny and smart from him. It doesn't have to be new.
But what he was giving were non-committal turds and I don't even know what that spoilered lynch list or ls emoticon thing was about.
Chezinu is a known quantity to RP in mafia games. Hes literally done it in some capacity in basically every game I can remember playing in with him. He always provides some form of content in said posts. He has literally given reads on players, and has been providing actual content without RP for a fucking change. Chez has clearly been doing more to push some form of conversation on players to force them to voice opinions. Clearly done more to help this game than most to this point.
Yes the guy has had some shit posts, but hes also playing the game seriously.
Gut feeling, this makes me think Chez is town.
My theory is this: BC didnt want to lie about 3 alignments - I really think most ppl playing scum want to avoid this and so, we know iamp and rsoultin already.... He knew Chez was town; has that old-boy familiarity. So this lines up quite well with "stretching the legs and warming up". After all, its been a while since he played scum i assume?
Thoughts?
I strongly recommend Chezinu. We couldn't lynch him yesterday with TW leading the charge and I find his Veteran claim very implausible. Basically the same people who voted him yesterday are on him again today, so there's no surge in Chezinu votes today compared to when he was up against a town Ace wagon.
On March 14 2019 04:14 Grackaroni wrote: I think the Chezinu green post is completely wrong. If he wanted to get shot he would have done some analysis, which he usually actually starts to do later in the game as town. This game he got called out and then started jabbering about being a mad hatter, and then when that role was counterclaimed he switched claims.
Also he's been softing blue roles for a while now.
On March 03 2019 17:10 Blazinghand wrote: Hey friends! hope everyone is doing well. I'm still catching up on page 19, it seems like we have a lot of activity which is great. I won't be going for the usual random lynch thing this time around, but I do have a suggestion that might help out if we're having trouble deciding on the lynch. Let me know if there's anything urgent I need to weigh in on as I catch up.
Well I’ll be damned
I don't RNG *every* time, heh.
Why not RNG Palmar? I know you can rig that shit.
This is crazy! I had a dream last night we eliminated 3 mafia in the night post. Palmer was second on the list. It was crazy seeing red at the end of day 1 in my dreams...
From what I can tell from my snooping, this was supposed to be a breadcrumb for the role "Dreamflower" which is a town role that gets KP and then dies if the person he shoots isn't scum.
Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Sunday, Mar 10 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in .
This is why i want chez to die. Tumbletown vivax town ff town acro town grack not scummy. Slam who i used to think was town and big mafis bus driver. He once bussed me when i was are teams only hope when i was gone for the day
this is my post from yesterday that i think everyone missed
On chez wagon we have activity confirmed town vivax counterclaiming confirmed ff. dead townie tumblewood. sort of likely town acro. Thats 4 very likely to be town players .
On the other wagon we have oats, jock chez ticktock and me . Ya there is probably 2 or 3 mafia in that
This is actually an argument I like.
Idk is there even any way we don't lynch scum today? I'm not sure.
I don't expect to lynch scum. I think we're losing atm.
My issue with your program is that it focuses heavily on night actions and tube socks, which makes for somewhat dull listening in my evening hours. Frequently questions are explored in great detail that are of little value. I fear that your sock fetish frequently distracts from more engaging topics.
Could you give me some of your thoughts on the following players:
Yeah Acro I mentioned this tone change in Oatsmaster a long tme ago. (Though rereading it I didn't do a very good job of "sticking with it 100%" lol.
I did see the BC quote too as potentially iffy but it seemed a lot less conclusive to me than Wiggles conversation.
On March 07 2019 03:37 Grackaroni wrote: Wiggles and Oats
Seriously everyone stop what you're doing and read all of Oatsmaster's filter. It is snarky comment, followed by asshole question throughout the entire filter EXCEPT for one point, where he very clearly seems to be making conversation with Wiggles for no reason but because they're both online and want to distance:
Why isn’t Palmar, Blazinghand, Rels, onegu, pandain, darthFoley, etc on this list too? Are these that much different than straight policy lynches?
I think he asked this question to make Acro seem scummy for pushing low-content posters, and that conflicts with the way that Tubesock has been playing the game so far.
On March 03 2019 17:59 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 13:47 Tictock wrote: Ok, I came, I saw, I did some things. Seems like ppl are not around so gunna do other things. May check in once more before bed but I am pretty sure I am not going to fully read the stuff I missed.
I'd like someone who is wanting to lynch oats to convince me why he is scum.
Similarly as to why ppl are voting HF for mayor.
If deadline was right now/soon I would push for Meap or Grack to lynch.
You know HF was going to mayor lynch [UoN]Sentinel before it was cool right? So, the difference between HF and Palmar is HF has actually played so far and given plenty of opinions. And exactly like Chezinu said, latching onto this Sentinel policy is right up Palmars alley if both were scum. And absolutely worth it. Plus Palmar doesn’t have to do anything else, talk about skating by.
Vote HF for mayor for the Sentinel kill, ##VOTE: Palmarso he actually plays. Town win wins.
On March 04 2019 01:07 Tubesock wrote: I’m voting Trfl. Maybe he will come play.
If Tubesock is town I don't see why he should be questioning Acro's lynch choices considering his own so far.
I think this is a bad post. It's quite obvious why he questions acros posts because there's no distinction between any of those other players.
What do you think of Tubesock's deflection of my pressure earlier in the game?
On March 03 2019 06:01 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:41 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:25 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:05 Tubesock wrote: There isn’t anyone I want to lynch.
If I were mayor I’d sheep Holyflare most likely for the 2nd lynch.
I'm thinking I'd like to lynch you!
Or are you making this guy mayor, Ace?
That’s fair. I can vote HF for mayor sure. I don’t see how you could get me wanting Ace mayor out of what I said.
You were one of the two names Ace threw out to make someone non-contributing mayor.
Figure you're reading closely enough to say what you'd do as mayor, which no one else had mentioned but Ace, but still don't want to put forward an opinion about anyone.
Reads scummy to me.
When I have a lynch target I’ll let everyone one know. Do you want an opinion from me?
Am I and Conversion your only scumreads? Who do you want for mayor and why?
Yeah, I'd like to see some sort of contribution from you. What makes you want to support HF for mayor? Is it a scumread on Sentinel or some kind of policy lynch? You don't make that clear.
I'm cool lynching scummy people just trying to coast by on the first day without needing to stick their necks out too much. That's people like you so far, and Conversion who's re-hashing the same argument with MZ instead of moving to anything else. Guys like Acrofales and and Sent fall into this bucket for me right now too.
I'm not super thrilled with any of the mayoral candidates so far. I like HF the most from the people who've thrown their hat in since some of our reads jive. Disagree with him about Chez, his play seems par for the course from what I remember.
I asked for some kind of read, and instead got an answer of "later". I responded to their own questions and was ignored when they returned to the thread. Their posting has been very non-committal, and they still haven't really pushed a lynch target yet. The pressure votes don't come out and say, "I think this guy is scum", but are hedged as an activity motivator.
I'd like to hear more takes from others as well. Tubesock doesn't seem to get brought up much, so they're sliding by without much attention. They still haven't produced a hard read either.
Do you have an alignment read on ace from that exchanges
Why isn’t Palmar, Blazinghand, Rels, onegu, pandain, darthFoley, etc on this list too? Are these that much different than straight policy lynches?
I think he asked this question to make Acro seem scummy for pushing low-content posters, and that conflicts with the way that Tubesock has been playing the game so far.
On March 03 2019 17:59 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 13:47 Tictock wrote: Ok, I came, I saw, I did some things. Seems like ppl are not around so gunna do other things. May check in once more before bed but I am pretty sure I am not going to fully read the stuff I missed.
I'd like someone who is wanting to lynch oats to convince me why he is scum.
Similarly as to why ppl are voting HF for mayor.
If deadline was right now/soon I would push for Meap or Grack to lynch.
You know HF was going to mayor lynch [UoN]Sentinel before it was cool right? So, the difference between HF and Palmar is HF has actually played so far and given plenty of opinions. And exactly like Chezinu said, latching onto this Sentinel policy is right up Palmars alley if both were scum. And absolutely worth it. Plus Palmar doesn’t have to do anything else, talk about skating by.
Vote HF for mayor for the Sentinel kill, ##VOTE: Palmarso he actually plays. Town win wins.
On March 04 2019 01:07 Tubesock wrote: I’m voting Trfl. Maybe he will come play.
If Tubesock is town I don't see why he should be questioning Acro's lynch choices considering his own so far.
I think this is a bad post. It's quite obvious why he questions acros posts because there's no distinction between any of those other players.
What do you think of Tubesock's deflection of my pressure earlier in the game?
On March 03 2019 06:01 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:41 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:25 Tubesock wrote: [quote]
That’s fair. I can vote HF for mayor sure. I don’t see how you could get me wanting Ace mayor out of what I said.
You were one of the two names Ace threw out to make someone non-contributing mayor.
Figure you're reading closely enough to say what you'd do as mayor, which no one else had mentioned but Ace, but still don't want to put forward an opinion about anyone.
Reads scummy to me.
When I have a lynch target I’ll let everyone one know. Do you want an opinion from me?
Am I and Conversion your only scumreads? Who do you want for mayor and why?
Yeah, I'd like to see some sort of contribution from you. What makes you want to support HF for mayor? Is it a scumread on Sentinel or some kind of policy lynch? You don't make that clear.
I'm cool lynching scummy people just trying to coast by on the first day without needing to stick their necks out too much. That's people like you so far, and Conversion who's re-hashing the same argument with MZ instead of moving to anything else. Guys like Acrofales and and Sent fall into this bucket for me right now too.
I'm not super thrilled with any of the mayoral candidates so far. I like HF the most from the people who've thrown their hat in since some of our reads jive. Disagree with him about Chez, his play seems par for the course from what I remember.
I asked for some kind of read, and instead got an answer of "later". I responded to their own questions and was ignored when they returned to the thread. Their posting has been very non-committal, and they still haven't really pushed a lynch target yet. The pressure votes don't come out and say, "I think this guy is scum", but are hedged as an activity motivator.
I'd like to hear more takes from others as well. Tubesock doesn't seem to get brought up much, so they're sliding by without much attention. They still haven't produced a hard read either.
Do you have an alignment read on ace from that exchanges
I lean soft town on Ace so far. What I was sensing made sense to me, assuming I got it, and his other posting doesn't strike me as scum play.
Can you speculate the town reason for his proposal of how we should vote mayors in?
I think I'm picking up what you're putting down, Ace. We're being oblique, so I hope I'm not too far off base.
Gonna move that mayor vote.
oops
you wanna expand on this Wiggles? your play interests me so far. What do you think of tube now after scumreading him earlier
More or less reading that there's information to be gained outside of the policy lynch. That wagon should be dead now anyways.
Still reading scum on Tubesock. Don't think HF saw this earlier when I asked for comment:
On March 04 2019 05:49 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 04 2019 05:41 Holyflare wrote:
On March 04 2019 05:33 Grackaroni wrote: I think we should lynch Tubesock for this post:
[quote] I think he asked this question to make Acro seem scummy for pushing low-content posters, and that conflicts with the way that Tubesock has been playing the game so far.
[quote]
[quote] If Tubesock is town I don't see why he should be questioning Acro's lynch choices considering his own so far.
I think this is a bad post. It's quite obvious why he questions acros posts because there's no distinction between any of those other players.
What do you think of Tubesock's deflection of my pressure earlier in the game?
On March 03 2019 06:01 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:41 Tubesock wrote: [quote]
When I have a lynch target I’ll let everyone one know. Do you want an opinion from me?
Am I and Conversion your only scumreads? Who do you want for mayor and why?
Yeah, I'd like to see some sort of contribution from you. What makes you want to support HF for mayor? Is it a scumread on Sentinel or some kind of policy lynch? You don't make that clear.
I'm cool lynching scummy people just trying to coast by on the first day without needing to stick their necks out too much. That's people like you so far, and Conversion who's re-hashing the same argument with MZ instead of moving to anything else. Guys like Acrofales and and Sent fall into this bucket for me right now too.
I'm not super thrilled with any of the mayoral candidates so far. I like HF the most from the people who've thrown their hat in since some of our reads jive. Disagree with him about Chez, his play seems par for the course from what I remember.
I asked for some kind of read, and instead got an answer of "later". I responded to their own questions and was ignored when they returned to the thread. Their posting has been very non-committal, and they still haven't really pushed a lynch target yet. The pressure votes don't come out and say, "I think this guy is scum", but are hedged as an activity motivator.
I'd like to hear more takes from others as well. Tubesock doesn't seem to get brought up much, so they're sliding by without much attention. They still haven't produced a hard read either.
Do you have an alignment read on ace from that exchanges
I lean soft town on Ace so far. What I was sensing made sense to me, assuming I got it, and his other posting doesn't strike me as scum play.
Can you speculate the town reason for his proposal of how we should vote mayors in?
I suspect it was something of a bait to check reactions. As to what he was looking for exactly, I think he'd need to answer that himself. I get the feeling he was having a laugh too, like some of the other entry posts.
It's the lack of follow through or trying to push it that doesn't push it into scum territory for me. There was the one post about it, some reactions, and it didn't eat up a bunch of thread space with back and forth.
i mean, it gained 0 traction and a ton of backlash, why bother pushing it or following up on it. Unless it was a straight up joke post which i doubt, town Ace wouldve felt some ownership towards the case
On March 04 2019 14:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote: What do you think of the Acro case Oats?
I've been going back re-reading his posts and the case on him, but I'm having trouble making up my mind. I'll probably sleep on it and re-read again in the morning.
I wanna lynch Acro yeah lol
This is so out of character from the rest of how Oats acts in his filter.
On March 06 2019 01:55 Oatsmaster wrote: Looking at Mr wriggles filter, he’s about as bland as a bowl of porridge. He doesn’t put himself out there, doesn’t really seem interested in finding scum and is kinda cruising doing whatever, take some real fencesitting reads. mafia
It also took me longer to find relevant quotes that I knew I read before I realized that my search is off because he calls him Wriggles.
On March 04 2019 02:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote: HF came up with the idea first, but I'm not sure whether I trust HF more to follow through compared to Palmar, especially if HF starts coming up with more cases. Might be the case that they deviate at the last minute and cause a bunch of chaos. In that sense, I like Palmar for mayor because he's colder.
Wiggles re-read what you wrote here and think about what a non-Sentinel lynch could reveal. I think we're on somewhat similar terms of thinking here.
@Acrofales: *nod*.
On March 04 2019 03:09 Ace wrote:
On March 04 2019 02:49 Holyflare wrote:
On March 04 2019 02:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote: HF came up with the idea first, but I'm not sure whether I trust HF more to follow through compared to Palmar, especially if HF starts coming up with more cases. Might be the case that they deviate at the last minute and cause a bunch of chaos. In that sense, I like Palmar for mayor because he's colder.
My vote will never be on anyone other than Sentinel as mayor. If he claims a role pm being read then it will be on whoever is the second highest vote, as I've stated. I don't think I'm a "wild cannon" like you purport. More so Palmar will be just doing what he wants and that is far more detrimental when he self reportedly doesn't play weekends and has only really come up with a Sentinel policy lynch and some mediocre writings (although not awful to read, just no drive).
I really, really hope you and Wiggles are putting things together without it having to be explicitly stated 😁
So btw who is the case for second best vote?
I think I'm picking up what you're putting down, Ace. We're being oblique, so I hope I'm not too far off base.
Gonna move that mayor vote.
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you wanna expand on this Wiggles? your play interests me so far. What do you think of tube now after scumreading him earlier
Especially this line seemed very out of character to me.
On March 15 2019 07:59 Grackaroni wrote: A TALE OF TWO WAGONS?
I wanted to call attention to the day1 wagons on Oatsmaster and Acrofales before end of the day, without drawing away any possibility of Acro getting night killed. I think these wagons have some of the most potential to solve the game. At a glance, all of the people who voted on Acro are either town or currently being town read in this game except for Oats, with Oats as the counter wagon, which seems very unlikely if Oats is scum and Acro town.
Sorry I did not leave myself enough time to think this out and post.
Palmar is currently leading the Mayor race and Acrofales is set to be lynched.
Remember that not properly unvoting makes you go on the naughty list. Also starting the next time I do a votecount I'll stop keeping track of strikeouts and zero-vote individuals. Too much work.
The deadline is Tuesday, Mar 05 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in .
On March 05 2019 02:36 Oatsmaster wrote: ##vote acro
While I'm at it. I would like to bring back up Oatsmaster's "only scum vote for someone other than themselves for mayor" logic to see how it has panned out so far:
The hard thing for me is that even if you have feelings at the end of the game that Rels is mafia it's very hard to write a case against him that will get him lynched over the people left in the town.
EPT
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