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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
March 12 2019 00:14 GMT
#7221
Love you too FF
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
March 12 2019 00:22 GMT
#7222
I am blessed and cursed with apathy

It makes things so much easier but people gonna hate you for it
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
March 12 2019 00:49 GMT
#7223
Oh Snap!

GG
I can take that responsibility.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 12 2019 01:09 GMT
#7224
weird NKs ... I've masoned LS
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 12 2019 01:14 GMT
#7225
On March 12 2019 09:13 Fecalfeast wrote:
My bomb was on chezinu for the record

probably why scum was afraid to kill you
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 12 2019 01:18 GMT
#7226
I agree we need to find the scums among the lurkers. Between them, Chez is the one I would lynch, because of him trying to imply he was mad hatter

##Vote Chezinu
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
March 12 2019 01:18 GMT
#7227
On March 12 2019 10:09 Rels wrote:
weird NKs ... I've masoned LS

Can confirm.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
March 12 2019 01:37 GMT
#7228
I at home now I made that last post on mobile. Only reason I didn't say anything about the mason qt with Rels is that he wasn't around at the start of the day and rather he tell you guys first.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21948 Posts
March 12 2019 01:42 GMT
#7229
I'd like to say I really am a fan of the dead zone show. Can consider myself lucky to still be alive for the day 4 edition.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
March 12 2019 01:51 GMT
#7230
TT wanted MZ and Wiggles dead TW was killed for being a confirmed town blue but Ace couldn't really tell??? Interesting night kills.....
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6785 Posts
March 12 2019 02:42 GMT
#7231
Pandain not dead after his shot is scummy as fuck to me. Same with Acro. Why was Ace killed ahead of them? There was also plenty of people willing to kill him today. I feel like he was right about something the rest of the thread hadn't bought into so i gotta reread his filter.
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
March 12 2019 02:45 GMT
#7232
Good evening to our long time fans and first time listeners alike. You're tuned in to the Dead Zone Show, Liquidia's number one and only late night radio program. I'm your host Mr. Wiggles, and it's a pleasure to be with you here tonight, whether the only thing keeping you up is that cup of black coffee or the black pit of your mafioso despair.

We'll be opening up some fan mail live on the air before getting to our callers on the line.

We hope you enjoy the program.

+ Show Spoiler +


you gotta dance
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 12 2019 02:51 GMT
#7233
Can we talk about vivax? He should be 100% gone by now also
1000% gone.

I wanna say the ace kill means that scum knew that sent was mafia
No gg, No skill.
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
March 12 2019 02:52 GMT
#7234
In some happy news for the producers of the Dead Zone Show, the following letter was received by our brave intern:

On March 11 2019 15:20 Chezinu wrote:
Deadzone wiggles,

Your art of words have spoken to me. You words gave me second thought to attaching an explosive message along with this letter. I know you cherish the letters delivered to you. I am sure they will be secured in your heart. I shall give you a C and I will look into the R as someone had suggested.

Sweet dreams,
[image loading]
Chezinu Isunizehc


It appears that the bomb threat situation has been resolved peacefully, with Chezinu being swayed by the wise words of your faithful host. While we will be sure to exercise due diligence in carefully inspecting any packages received in the future, we are glad to say that we have moved back into our previous broadcasting studio. Feels like home!
you gotta dance
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
March 12 2019 03:02 GMT
#7235
On March 12 2019 11:42 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Pandain not dead after his shot is scummy as fuck to me. Same with Acro. Why was Ace killed ahead of them? There was also plenty of people willing to kill him today. I feel like he was right about something the rest of the thread hadn't bought into so i gotta reread his filter.

Ya it's weird he's not dead but people were thinking he was scum so (shrugs).
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
March 12 2019 03:03 GMT
#7236
On March 12 2019 11:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
Can we talk about vivax? He should be 100% gone by now also
1000% gone.

I wanna say the ace kill means that scum knew that sent was mafia

The bolded is likely true.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
March 12 2019 03:03 GMT
#7237
Day 4 theme:
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
March 12 2019 03:28 GMT
#7238
man where is everyone I was hoping more people would talk
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
March 12 2019 03:33 GMT
#7239
Before his untimely demise, Ace took the time to write in:

On March 11 2019 20:05 Ace wrote:
Wiggles, Oats. I'd like to see your comments on the rest of the ideas instead of singling out only the role claim aspect. Specifically two parts:

1.) What do you think about the Town claiming this much KP in the absence of other roles as of now?

2.) My Acro accusation is not solely based on his role claim. It's part of the thinking behind the effort used to kill Iamp. That original post can be found here: https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=27291154


Show nested quote +

Go back to Night 1. We now know there was a scum roleblocker in BC. Some combination of 2 KP hit iamperfection or he was RB + shot. Either way it shows a concerted effort to get this guy out of the game.

Here are his posts referencing people as Scum on Day 1 that are sill alive:

Onegu

On March 05 2019 08:55 iamperfection wrote:
On March 05 2019 08:54 Onegu wrote:
Aright LS..

##Vote: Rsoultin

obvious mafia what are you doing


On March 05 2019 09:44 iamperfection wrote:
On March 05 2019 09:43 Onegu wrote:
Dont vigi me I know I didnt do much but I am green!

you need to die too


On March 05 2019 23:49 iamperfection wrote:
Onegu not caring about the lynch coming back and really only talking about Raoul is extremely scummy. Probably because he is scum




Vivax

On March 06 2019 03:11 iamperfection wrote:
On March 06 2019 02:59 Vivax wrote:
Basically he let BH off the hook way too easily for it to be town iamp.

"if BH doesn't get lynched TL mafia is ded"
to
'"Let's vote the guy who's going to kill Palmar"


Why are you misrepresenting what happened. I screamed at every player in the game to vote bh.

It's clear I'm town and you not being able to see that is extremely confusing as we've played a few games together. My play is basically the opposite of my scum play in this game


Now of these 2 Vivax would be my best guess. Partially because my Day 1/2 had me pushing HF, and I ended up Townreading BC and Vivax out of confirmation bias. BC flipped scum. Vivax flipping scum for "agreeing" with my arguments wouldn't be surprising at all.


However, there's a 3rd player that's really, really confusing.

On March 06 2019 03:54 iamperfection wrote:
On March 06 2019 03:51 Acrofales wrote:
I mean, BH is gonna have to die or we're just gonna have this conversation til the end of days. But
On March 05 2019 08:59 Blazinghand wrote:
Well, sorry for the poor performance guys. Exo is either more perceptive than most of you, or scum looking for post flip cred, for talking to me like I'm town. Same with Ace.

I really didn't expect the thread to balloon so much. Thabks for killing me early, this is a good plynch. Good luck everyone, and have fun!


This while useless seems like a VT who doesn't want to play, and not like a scummer who doesn't want to play. He's at least dropping *some* kinda info there.

Note that this was pretty much simultaneous with Conversions shenanigans, so unless they are scum together (a possibility that we shouldn't disregard and why we need the flip), BH really thought he was getting lynched here, and this is his "last words".

He says nothing in that post what are you talking about. What are you reading


On March 06 2019 03:45 iamperfection wrote:
On March 06 2019 03:44 Acrofales wrote:
On March 06 2019 03:35 iamperfection wrote:
On March 06 2019 03:34 Acrofales wrote:
On March 06 2019 03:14 iamperfection wrote:
On March 06 2019 03:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
On March 06 2019 02:58 Vivax wrote:
On March 06 2019 02:51 WaveofShadow wrote:
In case it got buried,vivax you need to explain why Iamp is top scum read. I'm not finding much aside from one recent post.


If I had a word to describe town iamp, it'd be something like crusader against bullshit.

He played the part pretty well yesterday when BH came back into the thread, but not for long enough to warrant that name since he decided to kill Palmar by voting HF over himself instead.

Well that's....pretty damning?
hmm.
Ok yeah going to need something from iamp on this. I can't for the life of me understand why he voted for HF.

How has nobody brought this up yet? Jesus.

Scummy post from you though. seems like you know hf is mafia?

When did you get so bad at this game?

Trying to bait me?

Well. You made a big bad case on me. That was bad.
Then you helped get Palmar killed for bad reasons. I even told you I went back and read his filter trying to read it as scum and couldn't, yet you just persisted and nailed him to the cross (holyflare might have dragged him up there, but you sure as shit helped hammer the nails in).

So if you're town, please stop being bad. We kinda need the help.
I don't trust you


And of course, iamp's only vote

On March 04 2019 03:57 iamperfection wrote:
##mayor: iamperfection
##vote: acrofales




Now this is where things are pretty crazy. There are 3 things that may be purely circumstance that paint Acro as scum.

1.) Iamp's posts and vote. Of course he was town in retrospect, but I really do believe he died for being correct about someone. The only thing that saves Acro imo is Scum having 4 conditional KP is wild. He could instead be 3rd party but let's put that on the backburner for now.

2.) On Day 2 someone asked me to read their case on Acro. I didn't find it convincing but I do faintly remember it being spoken about by others. Specifically I think it was rayne who asked me to comment on it but I didn't. Acro being anti-town and wanting them dead isn't out of the realm of possibility.

3.) That role claim. I just can't get around it existing in that form if it possibly end up targeting only Town players. One of chez/Pandain would have to be scum if his role is true. And I'd expect Acro to push one super hard off the damdred flip.

It could be purely circumstance that Acro falls into the puzzle like this but I doubt it. And reading his posts Day 2 and Day 3 they don't really scream scum that hard. Tricky shit :D




For Ace's point 1), your host is not sure exactly what to make of the game balance given the claimed roles. We had 3 claimed vigis, one confirmed now on flip, and another having shot publicly in thread. Acro has no counter claim, so we might as well consider his KP confirmed if not his role as well. FF has claimed hatter and Chezinu has claimed Chezinu, so we can maybe go ahead and add another 1.5 KP.

That gives us a total of 4.5 KP floating around, what looks like 3 KP per night for mafia, and a couple KP negations in the medic and vet.

We can guesstimate at the number of scum and come out with a number like 5-8 or so, and include traitor as about half a scum.

If that number of scum's on the higher side, then we can maybe guess that the claimed KP is town aligned. This would help town get through scum and that one of the vigis is delayed seems to suggest that hosts wanted town to be thoughtful about where their KP is going and not just blow everything N1.

If that number's on the lower side, then we can guess that mafia probably has their own power roles to make up for it somehow, or that perhaps some of the KP isn't town aligned.

Overall, we've only seen one scum flip and a traitor get lynched, so we can't really give a lower bound on the number of mafia. It's also possible that we could still have some other power roles kicking around that haven't felt a need to claim and are instead silently protecting and guiding the town. Depending on how things shake out, it could be worth looking into the claimed but unconfirmed alignment roles later on in the game. I don't personally feel the need to jump on that right now though.




As for Ace's point 2), we think that the rest of his case against Acro is very heavily based on post-flip analysis of votes and kills. It seems to rest on the assumption that scum are targeting town based on who the townie in question was pushing. Based on our own analysis of the kills here at the Dead Zone Show, it seems like a lot of the kills have been aimed at active town players who were publicly demonstrating their townieness.

Anyone who starts to look too green and gets consensus behind them seems to be cut down pretty much immediately by scum. We think this theory explains some of the weirder kills. It looks like scum's trying to stop a town circle from forming. This suggests that they've probably got a disproportionate number of members at the outskirts of the game, or in the people who have been trying but failing to join the town circle.

We've had one full scum death, and from what your host remembers of the thread it wasn't really the case that anyone pushing BC always ended up with a bullet in them. This seems to support our argument that scum aren't necessarily going after people based only on reads.

Looking back at the kills, they seem to fit this model, with the only real outliers being Rayn and TT. TT was looking townie to us here at the show, but there wasn't necessarily a strong sentiment of this expressed in the thread.

Given the above, we think that basing a case on Acro with the kind of flip associations Ace was making is a bust. If the case isn't based mostly on in thread behaviour, it's probably not solid.
you gotta dance
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 12 2019 03:34 GMT
#7240
On March 12 2019 11:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
Can we talk about vivax? He should be 100% gone by now also
1000% gone.

I wanna say the ace kill means that scum knew that sent was mafia

that's a good theory actually
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