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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 06 2019 20:12 GMT
#4541
You may not like me in this game, you may think I'm mafia, you may think I'm town. None of those things do I care about. This is the information you have that is the most important thing in this game:


Trfel (11): Tubesock, sicklucker, [UoN]Sentinel, Koshi, Mr. Wiggles, Tumblewood, Fecalfeast, Jockmcplop, Acrofales, Vivax, Conversion
Blazinghand (10): Holyflare, Grackaroni, iamperfection, Oatsmaster, WaveOfShadow, raynpelikoneet, Trfel, rsoultin, ExO_, LightningStrike
Conversion (3): Mocsta, Alakaslam, darthfoley
Acrofales (2): Damdred, Tictock
iamperfection (2): BloodyC0bbler, Blazinghand
Koshi (1): Ace
Fecalfeast (1): Pandain
Grackaroni (1): Meapak_Ziphh
LightningStrike (1): Rels
[UoN]Sentinel (1): Chezinu
rsoultin (1): Onegu
Mr. Wiggles (1): Palmar


You had a vote on a guy that literally trolls for a mafia career telling us to lynch him and the vote was so close somehow that our doctor got lynched instead of him. That leaves some serious question marks hovering around, we have absolutely imperfect information that can easily be solved by either BH playing a game of mafia or lynching him and figuring it out.

If you can think of any reason not to lynch this guy to further your information gain today please let me know. I'm mainly looking at:

Tubesock, sicklucker, [UoN]Sentinel, Koshi, Mr. Wiggles, Tumblewood, Fecalfeast, Jockmcplop, Acrofales, Vivax, Conversion, Mocsta, Alakaslam, darthfoley, Damdred, Tictock, BloodyC0bbler, Ace, Meapak_Ziphh, Pandain, Rels, Chezinu, Onegu

These people didn't vote for BH (didn't even realise Koshi didn't, what a travesty). I think it's best to look into them first because BH would have been such an easy no qualms mislynch if he was town I don't think there should be any hesitation to lynch him from them. Which is suspicious as to why they did not and instead afkd on really pointless wagons or Trfel.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22166 Posts
March 06 2019 20:13 GMT
#4542
On March 07 2019 05:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2019 05:10 Vivax wrote:
In a nutshell, go back to voting HF. Hes lying mafia scum

HF can be anything bit never in a million years lying about host actions.


Im not saying hes lying about host actions. Im saying hes hiding it that he knew he could have withheld the lynch and waited even 10 minutes to see who was getting lynched before submitting his own choice.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 06 2019 20:15 GMT
#4543
Onegu
Fecalfeast
Holyflare
LightningStrike
Blazinghand
Tictock
Oatsmaster
WaveofShadow
Tumblewood
sicklucker
Acrofales
raynpelikoneet
Damdred
Chezinu
Jockmcplop
ExO_
Vivax
[UoN]Sentinel
Grackaroni
rsoultin
tubesock
Pandain replaced by AMG
darthfoley
Mocsta
Meapak_Ziphh
Mr. Wiggles
BloodyC0bbler
Ace
Alakaslam
Rels


This is more for posterity/for me to keep track of than anything else. No townreads on here because I haven't updated my thoughts in a while and don't want to give free passes.

I think of the rest of the red we're looking at MAYBE one vet but the rest is low post count type people. Ace has a good chance of flipping red. When I get home later I'll be looking into all the mediocrity - Mocsta/MZ/BC primarily, and anyone else people have requests for.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 06 2019 20:15 GMT
#4544
On March 07 2019 05:13 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2019 05:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 07 2019 05:10 Vivax wrote:
In a nutshell, go back to voting HF. Hes lying mafia scum

HF can be anything bit never in a million years lying about host actions.


Im not saying hes lying about host actions. Im saying hes hiding it that he knew he could have withheld the lynch and waited even 10 minutes to see who was getting lynched before submitting his own choice.


Am I allowed to paste my PM if it's not the host?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 06 2019 20:16 GMT
#4545
On March 07 2019 05:13 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2019 05:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 07 2019 05:10 Vivax wrote:
In a nutshell, go back to voting HF. Hes lying mafia scum

HF can be anything bit never in a million years lying about host actions.


Im not saying hes lying about host actions. Im saying hes hiding it that he knew he could have withheld the lynch and waited even 10 minutes to see who was getting lynched before submitting his own choice.

That is lying about host actions because he just said so. Now drop it.
table for two on a tv tray
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 06 2019 20:16 GMT
#4546
On March 07 2019 05:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
Onegu
Fecalfeast
Holyflare
LightningStrike
Blazinghand
Tictock
Oatsmaster
WaveofShadow
Tumblewood
sicklucker
Acrofales
raynpelikoneet
Damdred
Chezinu
Jockmcplop
ExO_
Vivax
[UoN]Sentinel
Grackaroni
rsoultin
tubesock
Pandain replaced by AMG
darthfoley
Mocsta
Meapak_Ziphh
Mr. Wiggles
BloodyC0bbler
Ace
Alakaslam
Rels


This is more for posterity/for me to keep track of than anything else. No townreads on here because I haven't updated my thoughts in a while and don't want to give free passes.

I think of the rest of the red we're looking at MAYBE one vet but the rest is low post count type people. Ace has a good chance of flipping red. When I get home later I'll be looking into all the mediocrity - Mocsta/MZ/BC primarily, and anyone else people have requests for.


You think I lynched Palmar and also simultaneously started the wagon on my partner?

Didn't you just post about how you also liked Rsoul's posts?????
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 06 2019 20:16 GMT
#4547
On March 07 2019 05:12 Holyflare wrote:
You may not like me in this game, you may think I'm mafia, you may think I'm town. None of those things do I care about. This is the information you have that is the most important thing in this game:

Show nested quote +

Trfel (11): Tubesock, sicklucker, [UoN]Sentinel, Koshi, Mr. Wiggles, Tumblewood, Fecalfeast, Jockmcplop, Acrofales, Vivax, Conversion
Blazinghand (10): Holyflare, Grackaroni, iamperfection, Oatsmaster, WaveOfShadow, raynpelikoneet, Trfel, rsoultin, ExO_, LightningStrike
Conversion (3): Mocsta, Alakaslam, darthfoley
Acrofales (2): Damdred, Tictock
iamperfection (2): BloodyC0bbler, Blazinghand
Koshi (1): Ace
Fecalfeast (1): Pandain
Grackaroni (1): Meapak_Ziphh
LightningStrike (1): Rels
[UoN]Sentinel (1): Chezinu
rsoultin (1): Onegu
Mr. Wiggles (1): Palmar


You had a vote on a guy that literally trolls for a mafia career telling us to lynch him and the vote was so close somehow that our doctor got lynched instead of him. That leaves some serious question marks hovering around, we have absolutely imperfect information that can easily be solved by either BH playing a game of mafia or lynching him and figuring it out.

If you can think of any reason not to lynch this guy to further your information gain today please let me know. I'm mainly looking at:

Tubesock, sicklucker, [UoN]Sentinel, Koshi, Mr. Wiggles, Tumblewood, Fecalfeast, Jockmcplop, Acrofales, Vivax, Conversion, Mocsta, Alakaslam, darthfoley, Damdred, Tictock, BloodyC0bbler, Ace, Meapak_Ziphh, Pandain, Rels, Chezinu, Onegu

These people didn't vote for BH (didn't even realise Koshi didn't, what a travesty). I think it's best to look into them first because BH would have been such an easy no qualms mislynch if he was town I don't think there should be any hesitation to lynch him from them. Which is suspicious as to why they did not and instead afkd on really pointless wagons or Trfel.

I just want to make it known that while I agree with some of this, I have been in this exact scenario multiple times with BH on the line, and he has flipped both alignments. Dude's still gotta die, but it's the lack of straightforward play from a whole bunch of people that make games difficult.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 06 2019 20:17 GMT
#4548
On March 07 2019 04:57 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2019 04:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 07 2019 04:49 Holyflare wrote:
I think a BH lynch is key to solving a lot of people's alignments to be honest.

Whoseeeee?


Almost everyone in the game. It's more information.

Off the top of my head, if BH is town then every one of those people that were off Trfel and BH wagons look like shit. Exo looks terrible because he said "I think BH looks very much like a town trying to save himself" and voted BH anyway. BC gave an excuse to be on neither of the wagons right at deadline.

I remember Onegu and some other lurkers just turning up at deadline to do other similar things. Will have to investigate based on flip.

If BH is mafia then obviously need to look into the people that stuck on Trfel when he started to look really towny.

So basically what you are saying is that you think that his flip will lead to information on some people but you are too lazy to look and actually find out what specific people those are.
No gg, No skill.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22166 Posts
March 06 2019 20:17 GMT
#4549
How does the mayor role work?
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 06 2019 20:18 GMT
#4550
On March 07 2019 05:16 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2019 05:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
Onegu
Fecalfeast
Holyflare
LightningStrike
Blazinghand
Tictock
Oatsmaster
WaveofShadow
Tumblewood
sicklucker
Acrofales
raynpelikoneet
Damdred
Chezinu
Jockmcplop
ExO_
Vivax
[UoN]Sentinel
Grackaroni
rsoultin
tubesock
Pandain replaced by AMG
darthfoley
Mocsta
Meapak_Ziphh
Mr. Wiggles
BloodyC0bbler
Ace
Alakaslam
Rels


This is more for posterity/for me to keep track of than anything else. No townreads on here because I haven't updated my thoughts in a while and don't want to give free passes.

I think of the rest of the red we're looking at MAYBE one vet but the rest is low post count type people. Ace has a good chance of flipping red. When I get home later I'll be looking into all the mediocrity - Mocsta/MZ/BC primarily, and anyone else people have requests for.


You think I lynched Palmar and also simultaneously started the wagon on my partner?

Didn't you just post about how you also liked Rsoul's posts?????

You've done it before first of all, and where did I say I like rsoul's posts?
I absolutely remember a game where you bussed your partner day 1 and carried yourself till a LYLO victory. Why do you think you're on the block, my dear?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 06 2019 20:19 GMT
#4551
Also if you don't constantly want people talking about you, then stop jumping up like a rabid dog anytime anyone even remotely mentions your name. It's a list post, nothing more.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22166 Posts
March 06 2019 20:19 GMT
#4552
How does the mayor role work ?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9855 Posts
March 06 2019 20:20 GMT
#4553
On March 04 2019 16:59 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2019 16:43 ExO_ wrote:
On March 04 2019 16:41 Acrofales wrote:
On March 04 2019 16:40 ExO_ wrote:
On March 04 2019 16:38 Acrofales wrote:
On March 04 2019 16:31 ExO_ wrote:
On March 04 2019 16:24 Acrofales wrote:
On March 04 2019 16:18 rsoultin wrote:
On March 04 2019 14:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
Lean scum on Pandain for earlier weird commitment on Ace. I'd say solid vig target like MZ just said, and hell, just to introduce some WIFOM shoot him instead of me because I might be more likely to put in some effort at some point?


Statistically speaking I feel like there must be scum amongst the bigger voices this game. Doesn't feel like Iamp to me, and I can't read Holyflare basically ever. Not sure who that leaves but I figure I'll actually resort to a filter dive at some point.


HF is never scum here. If one of us is scum and the other isn't we tear each other apart. I'm not sure if both are scum...I can't remember playing scum with him but chipmunk memory.

It's actually super exciting lol >< it's been forever since we both rolled town.

And apart from the rsoul-focused reason, there's also how he handled the argument with rayn. Scum HF just keeps tearing and tearing, town HF backs off and tries to understand people after his stubborn argumentative streak is appeased. So.

I mostly agree with you.

Not sold on lamp. His main contribution is hounding me all game so far, so I know he is at least very very wrong. Still gotta figure out whether that's because he's being an idiot or just picked a target and stuck with it because it's easier as scum than actually reading the thread. Especially this huge one...


Thoughts on Palmar then?

I liked his strong drive for policy lynching sentinel. I'm a bit concerned about his lack of any follow up since his pressure worked to get sentinel to read his PM and actually play a bit. I'm still cutting him for mayor as I sure as fuck aren't cutting to get myself killed by HF.


Is he who you think would make the best mayor, or just the mayor you want so you don't die?

If you could pick anybody other than yourself to be mayor, who would it be?

Right now? Holyflare if he didn't want me dead.


So HF wants you dead, but you're sure HF is town? If you are Town, isn't him wanting you dead a sign he might not be town? Explain why you think he's town if you're also town.

I'm not sure he's town, but town being wrong doesn't make me suddenly think they're scum. It makes me think they're wrong. Other than that his posting has mostly been of someone trying to get information flowing and he seems interested in pulling threads and seeing where they lead. I like that.

But I'd vote HF over some others, who I have a stronger townreads on than HF, as I don't trust their judgement. I'd rather not put them in a place where they kill a townie and then we spend all of D2 arguing over whether it was a mistake or malice. I'd much rather do that with someone like HF, or especially Palmar, as I trust their ability to kill scum D1 a lot more than my stronger town reads.

And that's why I'm still voting Palmar for mayor because even if I'm not confident he's town: if he is, I trust his judgement. I trust it a lot more than HF's, whose judgement is suspect given he's currently voting to lynch a townie. That said, even with HF being temporarily (I hope) wrong, I still think his judgement is better than that of my strongest town reads.

Names of other ppl purposefully omitted, as there doesn't seem to be any reason to start giving scum strong town reads right now. They can figure that out on their own.

hmmmm

Oats was right about one thing. We need to get some Grackaroni mayor campaigns going in the next game. If there's one thing Grackaroni needs it's more attention.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18208 Posts
March 06 2019 20:20 GMT
#4554
On March 07 2019 03:06 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2019 03:03 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 07 2019 03:01 Tumblewood wrote:
On March 07 2019 02:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 07 2019 02:55 Tictock wrote:
On March 07 2019 02:48 Rels wrote:
this HF situation is annoying. I think he is town. I'm not as sure as rayn and rsoul seems to be, like HF is a super strong scum and could easily do whatever he's done in this game. BUT, him not shitting up the thread feels weird if he's scum. He has the potential to throw the game into chaos easily, like he did when he got red checked in ... Himalayas probably?, saying he's the best lynch while posting a lot, and he is not doing it.

Now. IF HES SCUM AND HE LIVES AND WINS. He's gonna mock me and whoever townread him forever. I know this is a ridiculous way to handle this situation but that's waht I think.

So the solution: he msut be lynched in LYLO. I won't be there to push it probably, but if he's alive in LYLO, no matter what, lynch him. IF YOURE READING THIS DURING LYLO, LYNCH HF IF HES STILL ALIVE


This is a solid approach imo, and kinda jives with where my head is at with HF.

Rels can have a townie-brownie.

Okay let’s take a walkthrough here of the possibilities of Rels alignment

1. Rels is mafia and hf is mafia. HF stays alive for the longest amount of time, good for mafia.
2. Rels is mafia and hf is town. Mafia has like a 100% chance of winning at lylo and Rels gets cred if hf is flipped today anyway.


Where are the downsides of Relsmafia! Proposing this plan?

rels doesn’t want town!HF to clear himself and then be good townie & lynch scum?
also do u want to avoid being lynched? b/c there’s no downside of that if ur mafia

Town!hf is never gonna clear himself, let’s be real here.

I don’t get the second question, can you rephrase that?

if you don’t want to be lynched, that seems like a pretty pro-mafia thing to want if you are mafia. and by this i mean your logic only works if you begin with the assumption that rels is mafia.

Nah. He's just pointing out that this whole "plan" is at best not indicative of alignment and you townreading him for it is bad. Don't be bad.

Rels being town or scum cannot be deduced from his bad plan to leave HF alive until lylo.

And anybody who wants a lylo with HF is fucking bonkers.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 06 2019 20:21 GMT
#4555
On March 07 2019 05:18 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2019 05:16 Holyflare wrote:
On March 07 2019 05:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
Onegu
Fecalfeast
Holyflare
LightningStrike
Blazinghand
Tictock
Oatsmaster
WaveofShadow
Tumblewood
sicklucker
Acrofales
raynpelikoneet
Damdred
Chezinu
Jockmcplop
ExO_
Vivax
[UoN]Sentinel
Grackaroni
rsoultin
tubesock
Pandain replaced by AMG
darthfoley
Mocsta
Meapak_Ziphh
Mr. Wiggles
BloodyC0bbler
Ace
Alakaslam
Rels


This is more for posterity/for me to keep track of than anything else. No townreads on here because I haven't updated my thoughts in a while and don't want to give free passes.

I think of the rest of the red we're looking at MAYBE one vet but the rest is low post count type people. Ace has a good chance of flipping red. When I get home later I'll be looking into all the mediocrity - Mocsta/MZ/BC primarily, and anyone else people have requests for.


You think I lynched Palmar and also simultaneously started the wagon on my partner?

Didn't you just post about how you also liked Rsoul's posts?????

You've done it before first of all, and where did I say I like rsoul's posts?
I absolutely remember a game where you bussed your partner day 1 and carried yourself till a LYLO victory. Why do you think you're on the block, my dear?

I wanna say I remember that game
No gg, No skill.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22166 Posts
March 06 2019 20:23 GMT
#4556
Screw you HF for hiding behind host wifom.

Its the duty of a host to inform the entire thread how any role works, so Im going to aim for exactly that and beat you and rayn at your own game.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
March 06 2019 20:23 GMT
#4557
On February 18 2019 04:15 kitaman27 wrote:
Questions:
The color green is reserved for questions by players for the hosts during pre-game.

Once the game begins, please PM the hosts with any questions.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 06 2019 20:24 GMT
#4558
On March 07 2019 05:23 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2019 04:15 kitaman27 wrote:
Questions:
The color green is reserved for questions by players for the hosts during pre-game.

Once the game begins, please PM the hosts with any questions.

Get rekt vivax
No gg, No skill.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18208 Posts
March 06 2019 20:25 GMT
#4559
On March 07 2019 05:19 Vivax wrote:
How does the mayor role work ?


He literally explained it in the thread:
On March 05 2019 01:01 kitaman27 wrote:
In case there was any confusion regarding the mechanics of the mayor lynch, the night post will be delayed until the mayor submits their lynch. If the leading candidates do not anticipate being around for the deadline and want to submit their lynch via PM ahead of time, that is fine. The game will be paused until the mayor lynch has been submitted and then the night post will be posted, revealing the alignments and roles of both lynched players.

Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22166 Posts
March 06 2019 20:25 GMT
#4560
Ok kita. If you want 24 PMs asking you how the mayor works, so be it.
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