On March 05 2019 15:13 Chezinu wrote: I pray to God that I would speak the truth. Lord open our eyes to your glory. Let us all see you highly lifted up. Exalted as our sovereign Lord. King above all kings. Maker and Ruler of all the universe. Let us become in awe of your majesty and glory. For only you are Holy and good. I thank you for loving us. We are evil and unholy, but you love us. God we need you. We need your Spirit. We need your love. You have made those who believe you clean, although in this world their feet will still get dirty. You have made us clean, though we still stumble in this world. You wash our dirty feet. Lord, please bath others and makes them clean. Continue to wash all of our feet. Even those you know who will turn their back on you. Clean your bride with your Word. For the day will come when the church (those you have brought to yourself) will become one with you in spirit. Just as you Lord are one with your Father and the Father in you. For you have prayer for us that believe in your message. For what you say will come to past. Praise the Lord! A prayer of a righteous man availeth much. There is only one righteous and that is You, my God, my Savior!!! You can in the flesh of man but overcame the flesh without sinning. You died for us. So that we appear before you as holy and righteous though we were unholy and unrighteous. MERCY AND GRACE!!! You are a God of Justice!! You are holy and righteous!!! You have punished evil by taking it upon yourself. You have loved your children as a righteous father. You have guided your sheep as the Good Shepard. You have ruled your people as the King of king. You have given life to your creation.
Holy Holy is the Lord God almighty. There is no one greater and no one stronger. No one wiser and no one more worthy.
...
Chezinu
When we WERE mafia together
... do you feel guilty again? I remember when we got talking about this we got lynched one after the other and lost XD
On March 05 2019 17:55 Jockmcplop wrote: I don't get the palmar kill. I get why hf would say he's going to lynch palmar but I really thought he was going to go on something stronger than 'Well I said I would' when deciding who to kill. He had already got himself a ton of info, could have got even more by killing someone else.
My townread on rsoultin is fading fast. Something about the way she kickstarted the trfel train and the got out of the way at the last second.
That's fair. I think I look bad, too xD
I will say though that all this 'I didn't think he'd do what he said he would' stuff is pretty blah. HF did it. Figure out what that makes him. This just reads like you don't want to be associated with the flip.
This is exactly what I intend to do. What are you thinking about hf currently?
Him lynching Palmar changes absolutely nothing for me lol >< I am not the sort of idiot who thinks that someone being wrong makes them scum, or that going after a 'top town player if he's town' makes them scum (biased here cause I know I'm town but whatevs).
I'm willing to admit that I could be wrong on him just like any other player, but I still think how he's played and how he interacted with rayn in particular when they were fighting comes from a town HF. And I'd like to be right about something so there's that lol ><
Neither of those things are why I want HF dead, btw.
On March 05 2019 15:51 AMG wrote: 151 pages... you cannot be serious!
I started playing here nearly a decade ago under the name Adam4167, some of you ive played with, most of the rest Ive spectated games you were in.
Now, if someone could tell me on a scale of 1 to 10 the level of shit ive waded into, 1 being my socks would get wet and 10 being if i open my mouth I die of E.coli?
On March 06 2019 00:20 LightningStrike wrote: Slam since you are here how you reading Chez right now?
Look above your post
scumlean I guessing from that post you just reference?
Starting to
Our QT was all about Jesus, and we went and basically tried to confess to the thread for being mafia while simultaneously not playing against our wincon
I can already see what's going to happen We end up leaving all the loose ends alive tomorrow because somebody presents something shiny and scum laugh all the way to the bank
Don't lose sight of the goal tomorrow. Idgaf about this mocsta case tbh
On March 06 2019 00:20 LightningStrike wrote: Slam since you are here how you reading Chez right now?
Look above your post
scumlean I guessing from that post you just reference?
Starting to
Our QT was all about Jesus, and we went and basically tried to confess to the thread for being mafia while simultaneously not playing against our wincon
On March 06 2019 00:23 WaveofShadow wrote: I can already see what's going to happen We end up leaving all the loose ends alive tomorrow because somebody presents something shiny and scum laugh all the way to the bank
Don't lose sight of the goal tomorrow. Idgaf about this mocsta case tbh
On March 05 2019 16:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Whoever said Acrofales was trying to do something during EoD is completely wrong, he was never doing anything, that was just headless running from one place to another with no fucking direction.
Are you running aimlessly too? Who directs your path?
On March 05 2019 16:09 rsoultin wrote: if hf is mafia i'm not just dumb i'm like broccoli level iq -_- which may be the case but i don't want to live in that world
idk if bh is scum or not. i'm afraid he's town but i don't think it matters cause i think we need to know his alignment
as far as wave's comment, i wasn't waffling on palmar when i should have been cause i'm a baddy. i didn't like how he moved off of bh when i was thinking truffle was town cause i didn't want truffle to get lynched. i don't know how he interprets that as backing off my palmar read but tbh i don't think it matters cause wavering on palmar if i had done that wouldn't make me any less town anyway
ls is town. i want to bite his head off but he's town -_-
i think if we have a bh town flip people like onegu and rels need to get a really hard look, especially rels. and rayn might be town but i cba to look deeper right now and it'll just piss me off anyway
rsoultin,
How do you know someone's role in this game? How do you personally discern?
are you asking how i make reads, or...? cause if it's how i make reads it's more interaction/feels/experience based and kind of hard to describe in general terms. after flips i get better cause i can compare what people do to what they said and see if it lines up
I'm a reactionary reader. I get better reads on those I interact with.
Ugggghhhh. Please tell me I am wrong, but rsoultin looks really really scummy in how she talks about Palmar.
In the beginning, she just seems upset that Palmar, a big name, is stealing the limelight and that people (me) are happy to sheep him. I can see that happening from a town point of view. But there's some stuff that doesn't scan with that:
On March 04 2019 16:19 WaveofShadow wrote: Strangely ironic that when I first read your post I bristled at being told I had a chipmunk memory, but if reading comprehension doesn't fail me (and maybe evidently, it does?) you were talking about yourself?
lol
Fair point I guess but the larger point still stands---if you are calling me scum, you're doing it based on nothing other than how 'blah' I'm being? And I still don't buy you not being great at reading me. Historically, you have been barring I think our first couple games together.
-shrugs- Maybe I was I really don't recall lol I don't even remember if you were the one Palmar kept trying to convince me was scum in the Noir game Artanis threw a fit in where I needed to be hit between the eyes with it before I just sheepled a Palmar days later.
Actually yeah I'm pretty sure that's you.
But regardless, I don't think it matters. You can believe or not that I don't remember how to read you no skin off my back. The purpose of my post was 1) objectively don't like the sniping without really saying anything and 2) getting others' opinions on it because I think you're not much of a poster anyway. (Again with the caveat that I don't really remember.)
Anyway! If you want to talk about something else we can cause this is getting circular and I read people better when they're not talking about me.
Now I was nowhere near that game and have no idea what happened, but clearly rsoultin is okay with people sheeping Palmar, because she does it herself as town. Still, don't know the game, so different circumstances, etc. etc. but this whole thing about being upset people are sheeping Palmar makes far more sense from a scum player than a town player:
Town rsoultin: upset because she doesn't know Palmar is town and is worried dumb townies are sheepling a scum Palmar. Next step should be: figure out Palmar's allegiance.
Scum rsoultin: upset because townies are sheeplong a town Palmar, who is always going to be one of the major threats to scum in the game.
So. Lets see, where does rsoultin go with her investigation into Palmar. I tell you, it's nowhere. She doesn't try to engage with Palmar. She doesn't analyse Palmar's posts. Nada. She just throws shade:
On March 03 2019 18:27 Holyflare wrote: When did I ever make a case on rayn wtf?
You didn't that I recall.
Though I like his Palmar read.
Rayn at the time had a pretty weak scumread on Palmar based on (1) Palmar thinking I was looking townie, and (2) Palmar wanting to policy kill Sent. There really wasn't much there, but this is literally the only justification for rsoultin going after Palmar, because the next appearance we see is her waffling onto Palmar as an "experiment":
On March 03 2019 18:42 rsoultin wrote: ##unvote ##vote: Palmar
I have no idea what the experiment did, except set her up for vote analysis for "going after Palmar early" or some such nonsense. She herself just kinda waffled on it too:
On March 04 2019 04:59 Rels wrote: rsoul can you detail your "experiment" if it's done ?
Which one? The first was seeing if Rayn would get annoyed and come after me for ignoring his question. Which he both did and didn't so that was a wash. Though he did actively ignore me when I was trying to get clarification on his Iam read changing, which makes me want to lynch him and pretend that's more about scumreading him than ego. He's definitely still a scum lean, though.
The second was seeing what happened with a Palmar vote when so many were kinda scumreading him but that one I just kinda abandoned cause impatient rsoul is impatient. And HF's comment on LS was right and that's actually a good way to read LS, but LS is probably just town for getting all out of whack with no real pressure on him lol ><
Damdred is probably just scum though so that's nice ^^ It's not as strong a read as my tonal read that I think he's incapable of replicated as mafia but he's not playing this game right.
But she isn't done, she'll continue throwing jabs his way, based on... what? Still nothing insofar as I can tell from her filter. That comes quite a bit later, when she finally gets around to explaining why Palmar is scum. I'll just post it verbatim, because it's utter bullshit: + Show Spoiler [shade] +
On March 04 2019 04:00 iamperfection wrote: i think its obvious that im town as well so just vote me for mayor. i don't think i've ever made a case as mafia.
Ill use the ability as another lynch during the night phase where we have to do votes and shit. and lynch whoever we vote " although i would probably do what i want and just use it as a vig shot because im a dictator.
Is that how the mayor thing works? Then we really shouldn't be voting for Palmar.
I wanted to give your post a response that was not based on my feeling or tone.
So here we go,
The first thing I will point to is meta for LS, generally speaking he gives a good bit of town reads that seem flimsy early and he always seems to be noncommittal early. This is based off of meta and just not this game precisely. I do not think that this is a good point to have against him, he is always flip floppy on reads and super paranoid.
However there is a great point that his reads lack many scumspects or anything revolving actual verifiable reads that say x is scum.
He also is not as helpful this game as he generally would be, q lot of time he would dig in past games to figure out if player x does x or y.
There is also the point of his weak rage, seemed to be under almost no pressure but this is a bull tell he generally only goes it as town but he broke this as scum years ago so is not something to fall back on.
I think, that there is a chance that he is scum and you are correct Sen just based off the laziness and the lack of discernable scum reads that he is not pushing.
However I do not think hes the best lynch today. But you did lit together a good case.
This is a great post for why LS is scum. Just saying.
Your right, I basically talked myself out of a hard town read just writing back i stead of on feels. I'd rather still not lynch him today as I think a night/day I could make heads or tails using my charm. But I wont cry and rant otherwise
Not you. You're still in the doghouse of not damdying
Ha, I was excited for a moment and felt that we had a connection....but seriously I think there are good points there but you have to agree that ls is enough of a hard read sometimes that two days are necessary.
I don't have to agree on anything other than I'm floundering all over the place trying to find a good lynch today and will probably just end up sheeping iam or hf like a boob ^^
But I think you and LS and palmar and rayn all have good chances of flipping scum and maybe koshi and maybe chez but maybe not for #reasons and MZ is someone no one is talking about and Iam may be right on acro which gives me what? 8? So I'm wrong somewhere lol ><
On March 05 2019 06:21 rsoultin wrote: Yeah I still think Palmar is likely to be scum. Have no issue whatsoever mayoring Iam and killing BH (though I'm thinking we're likely to see a town flip there tbh) but I'm not changing my vote if it makes Palmar mayor.
If you think BH is going to flip Town, then why not lynch Palmar?
I'd be happy to lynch Palmar if anyone wanted to lynch Palmar. I'm also happy to lynch Truffle and Tube. And Rayn if it comes to it. Also LS, but my bad rsoul doubting brain is less confident about him.
On March 03 2019 20:12 Palmar wrote: To be fair I mostly like Acro just for these two posts. They're the logical way to play the game.
Kill the policy lynch, continue playing.
On March 03 2019 17:09 Acrofales wrote: Enters Palmar: he claims to feel strongly about killing sent. So let him do it. All you need to decide is if Palmar is townie enough. But if we decide Palmar is townie enough to be mayor then he is free to kill whoever he likes. He sticks with sentinel and sentinel flips scum? We win, yay! Sheep Palmar into Armageddon. Sentinel flips town? We figure out if Palmars policy lynch is an ideological thing or a scum thing. Either way, we get information about Palmar out of this, which is a great thing to get out of D1.
On March 03 2019 17:11 Acrofales wrote: Oh, also, if sent was actually playing and being townie, I'd be more inclined to want him to live. But he has used this "foil" to be an attention whore and cop out of doing anything else so far. Not town play.
@Palmar, let's assume Acro is the leading lynch candidate but your vote could choose somebody else to lynch. Who would you lynch instead of Acro, that isn't Sent?
Palmar's entire post history seems to be super focused on this policy lynch of Sent -- that's it. Town Reads HF, Town Reads Acro. He's not wanting to scum hunt on day 1, but go all in on a policy lynch. I don't think I mind having a strong conviction about the policy lynch, but I think I do mind only green reading other people and only pushing your one policy lynch.
I think Palmar is scum.
I like Rayn's read on Palmar, ironically, cause I think they're both scum.
Palmar not playing on a weekend is Palmar-y. Palmar playing is Palmar-y. This half and half stuff I wouldn't trust with a 10-foot pole and I hate how much support he's gotten. I also hate that some of that is probably from shit town who just see the shiny name and go oh, Palmar, he's a god, let's check our brains at the door.
-cocks head at- So you've decided to play rather than whine about people saying a person who was only posting images was a good vig target?
Her earlier light suspicion of people following Palmar has turned into thinking Palmar is scum because people are sheeping him. This is bonkers. It doesn't make sense. Nobody can think this is a real reason for scumreading someone. Someone is scum because they do scummy things, not because they just happen to be there and other people do scummy things (sheeping them). This reeks of a scummer panicking that town Palmar is gaining traction. It isn't how a townie thinks.
But now that we have established that Palmar is a priori scum, and rsoultin doesn't have to doubt herself, it all makes sense:
On March 03 2019 20:12 Palmar wrote: To be fair I mostly like Acro just for these two posts. They're the logical way to play the game.
Kill the policy lynch, continue playing.
On March 03 2019 17:09 Acrofales wrote: Enters Palmar: he claims to feel strongly about killing sent. So let him do it. All you need to decide is if Palmar is townie enough. But if we decide Palmar is townie enough to be mayor then he is free to kill whoever he likes. He sticks with sentinel and sentinel flips scum? We win, yay! Sheep Palmar into Armageddon. Sentinel flips town? We figure out if Palmars policy lynch is an ideological thing or a scum thing. Either way, we get information about Palmar out of this, which is a great thing to get out of D1.
On March 03 2019 17:11 Acrofales wrote: Oh, also, if sent was actually playing and being townie, I'd be more inclined to want him to live. But he has used this "foil" to be an attention whore and cop out of doing anything else so far. Not town play.
@Palmar, let's assume Acro is the leading lynch candidate but your vote could choose somebody else to lynch. Who would you lynch instead of Acro, that isn't Sent?
Palmar's entire post history seems to be super focused on this policy lynch of Sent -- that's it. Town Reads HF, Town Reads Acro. He's not wanting to scum hunt on day 1, but go all in on a policy lynch. I don't think I mind having a strong conviction about the policy lynch, but I think I do mind only green reading other people and only pushing your one policy lynch.
I think Palmar is scum.
I like Rayn's read on Palmar, ironically, cause I think they're both scum.
Palmar not playing on a weekend is Palmar-y. Palmar playing is Palmar-y. This half and half stuff I wouldn't trust with a 10-foot pole and I hate how much support he's gotten. I also hate that some of that is probably from shit town who just see the shiny name and go oh, Palmar, he's a god, let's check our brains at the door.
-cocks head at- So you've decided to play rather than whine about people saying a person who was only posting images was a good vig target?
So then following this, if Palmar is scum:
What does his pushing on Sent say? Is it a random policy lynch or is there more to it?
What does his town read on acro mean?
Don't know and don't care? Palmar is capable of pushing or reading people any which way if he's scum, so why is this a thing for you?
Independently I think sent seems okay, certainly enough to warrant not lynching him d1. And acro is someone I need to look at again cause I've seen things I both like and don't like. I don't feel strongly enough on him to not lynch him though so there's that.
Palmar is scum because Palmar is making reads and pushing people.
Now regardless of whether rsoultin is a good player or a clueless scrub, she has been around the forum, and has admitted herself to sheeping Palmar as town. Does this filter read like someone who is trying to figure out whether Palmar is mafia? Or someone pushing an agenda. I can really only get the latter from it.
rsoultin congrats on leaving the maybe pile. You scummy little creature, you.
On March 06 2019 00:23 WaveofShadow wrote: I can already see what's going to happen We end up leaving all the loose ends alive tomorrow because somebody presents something shiny and scum laugh all the way to the bank
Don't lose sight of the goal tomorrow. Idgaf about this mocsta case tbh
No. If HF is alive tomorrow, kill the fuck out of him.
On March 05 2019 23:49 Jockmcplop wrote: Remember I only have this game to go on.
Buuuut.
Looking through your filter, every time you have town read someone you have quoted something they have posted and given a reason why that post makes you town read them. Usually this process makes sense but then with trfel we get this:
On March 05 2019 08:37 rsoultin wrote:
On March 05 2019 08:32 Trfel wrote: STILL NO ONE HAS SAID A SINGLE THING TO ME
NOT ONE EXPLANATION OF WHY I AM MAFIA NOT ONE QUESTION NOTHING
Do you realize what is happening? If I'm lynched, fine, whatever, but someone acknowledge my existence please!
You've been way too confident on your reads for me and it seems convenient where you ended up but fuck me if I'm not being a sucker :/
I don't know what this post is at all. Unless I'm literally reading your words wrong, you're giving a reason why you should lynch trfel whilst changing your vote. This isn't a town read.
On March 05 2019 08:46 rsoultin wrote: it's not even for a good reason it just /feels/ like maybe he's town lol >< fml
And then that happened and it just seems weird to me.
okay. i can see why that might confuse you. it was like 2 mins or something to deadline and i was focused on things more important than quoting and explaining shit but you can't know that or my motivations -shrugs-
i should really read things fully before i respond. i was telling him why i'd scumread him :/ and i still believed those valid but felt he was town, so it came down to choosing whether my original reasons were stronger or the feels were. i went with feels and yes that's partly cause he would have been around to evaluate later and partly just cause i'm more susceptible to doubts near EoD anyway ><
truffle is a player who waffles a lot on his reads. on the one hand, on the other hand, these are points against them, and these are for, and ultimately i think he falls on this or that side. i'm not used to this apparenltly new? version of him where he's stating his reads more confidently. so
Why are you defending yourself so much?
Why not though
I have often way over-defended myself, it’s a pride thing (and she is that)
Because scum are more interested defending themself........
On March 05 2019 16:39 Blazinghand wrote: Actually you know what, i'm going to analyze this game just ignoring everything that happened before I started martyring. All the interesting stuff has to do with the flips and wagons leading into the deadline, and I was around for that. since I'm getting viged, you can read this after I die and praise my wisdom.
On March 05 2019 16:38 rsoultin wrote: actually yeah i'm a numbnuts if bh is town like i suspect conv is probably never scum here anyway even though i'd rather have kept a truffle blue role or not lol >< i'm doing the stupid right now on not enough sleep. gonna shower and probably come back to all this later in the day
also, rayn, you may be right on mz being scum and sent being town and thus mz knowing sent's alignment, but i don't think the bolded sentence means anything if i'm understanding where you're going right? that's a pretty normal english construction
You mean it's a pretty normal english construction that he asks what Sentinel gains as town when he (Sentinel) doesn't know he is town? Damn your language...
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