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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 09 2018 16:18 GMT
#912
On November 10 2018 01:17 byj wrote:
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On November 08 2018 07:23 Rels wrote:Vote no for a shitty reason like byj?

Citation needed :>

this is from a sarcastic post that was meant to copy a rayn post
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 09 2018 16:40 GMT
#917
On November 10 2018 01:37 byj wrote:
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On November 09 2018 09:01 Rels wrote:
I think byj said he would be voting NO so he's maybe showing face there

For what it's worth I haven't been online since my last post, not like you'll believe me, especially since kita asked me to stay

Yeah but in that last post you asked if you could switched your vote.
On November 08 2018 05:28 byj wrote:
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On November 08 2018 04:47 Rels wrote:
On November 08 2018 04:27 byj wrote:
I voted yes, but anybody by chance has the %s of there being FFF?
On November 07 2018 12:36 Rels wrote:
all this talk about this "plan" seems just so naïve.

I still think it's a good plan and not naive =]

Kita calculated it to 35%. Just did it and I also find 36%. Why are you voting yes ?

Oh that's high. Because I trust Grack, but I expected the FFF chance to be lower. I don't trust kita enough to leave him a 33% excuse, is it possible to change my vote?

I don't know why you wouldn't switch your vote before leaving in that case.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 09 2018 16:44 GMT
#918
Earlier in the game I thought you were townie because you were doing your own random stuff that didn't really interfere with the game. But now your own random stuff conveniently almost got kita elected. And I don't like that.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 09 2018 17:22 GMT
#922
On November 10 2018 02:09 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2018 06:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
5. Rels - Nein!


Show nested quote +
On November 03 2018 07:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
5. Rels - Nein!


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On November 06 2018 10:32 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
5. Rels - has been warned for not voting


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On November 09 2018 08:15 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
5. Rels - Nein!


People really need to pay more attention to this.

The single most important part of this game in regards to ones alignment is voting record and election actions.

RELS HAS NOT CONTRIBUTED TO A SINGLE LIBERAL POLICY BEING PASSED.

He failed the rayn/krogan vote.
He failed the grack/prpl vote.
He didn't vote for conversion and rayn.
He failed the kita/grack vote.

LOL. Since you believe at least one elected people is scum, one of these votes must be pretty good then

On November 10 2018 02:09 kitaman27 wrote:
He's suddenly "motivated" to play the game. You know why? Because he finally has an opportunity to send a facist policy through. How convenient.

Anyone that has played with me these last year knows I get more motivated the more the game advances. So you're lying and you know you're lying. It's also easily checkable so it's a pretty bad lie.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 09 2018 17:26 GMT
#923
On November 10 2018 02:04 kitaman27 wrote:
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On November 10 2018 01:08 Rels wrote:
Here, he's saying that a reason to scumread Grack is that he wants to elect two people that are scummy to "pass the blame". But this doesn't shouldn't make sense because in his point of view, Grack, Conversion and I are the 3 bottom people of his list. He tries to justify it with the last sentence, but that doesn't solve the chicken and egg problem; Grack is scummy because he wants to elect scummier people with him; but he's probably not scum with a dude he wants to elect; so he shoudln't have been that low on the list in the first place.


I was suspicious of Grack because I didn't like his nomination choices. When he chose not to elect you or conversion I decided to vote for him through (I was the tiebreaker). As for the Conversion is Hitler thing, I would be pretty surprised if Hitler hadn't figured out who his buddies are by now. If I can figure out that you're mafia, it should be pretty obvious to Conversion too considering how much you've propped him up all game and you've never supported a liberal agenda.

You were suspicious of Grack because you didn't like his nomination choices. But you also thought his nomination choices were scum. But you also thought scum wouldn't elect scum with them. So your reason to scumread Grack shouldn't make Grack scum.
When Grack finally chose another dude that you were less suspicous about, that should have made your Grack / Conversion or Rels MORE likely to be true, not less.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 09 2018 17:30 GMT
#924
and that doesn't answer the fact that you should these were 2 dudes from your middle tier list. You should have pushed for 2 NO votes and the accepted team being you president / one of your top tier
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 09 2018 17:36 GMT
#926
On November 10 2018 02:31 prplhz wrote:
What is checkable? Why is it good to downvote a government that passes a liberal policy? If we had all done like you, where would we have been, policy-wise? Are you proud that, by your own metric, at least one in four of your votes was good?

I sort of get how you don't play early game, I think you always do something like that, but painting yourself a hero because you do that makes no sense. And right now your cases seem to be just wild flailing, I don't really understand any of it.

I don't paint myself as a hero, wtf are you talking about ? kita is claiming my sudden motivation is due to my will to attack him and become president, when there is an occam razor's explanation.

Your last sentence prove what is checkable.

It's not "good" to downvote a government that passes a liberal policy, try a little bit to understand the context. Kita is pushing the idea that:
"Rels has downvoted every government that has passed a liberal policy!"
But he's also pushing the idea that:
"One of the elected people is scum!"
Do you get now what it is ridiculous about it ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 09 2018 17:39 GMT
#928
I have no idea why rayn didn't want Grack / Conversion D2. Conversion can be president even if he was chancellor D2.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 09 2018 17:40 GMT
#929
kinda unrelated to what's happening right now but I just had that thought p:
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 09 2018 18:16 GMT
#935
On November 10 2018 03:13 prplhz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2018 02:36 Rels wrote:
On November 10 2018 02:31 prplhz wrote:
What is checkable? Why is it good to downvote a government that passes a liberal policy? If we had all done like you, where would we have been, policy-wise? Are you proud that, by your own metric, at least one in four of your votes was good?

I sort of get how you don't play early game, I think you always do something like that, but painting yourself a hero because you do that makes no sense. And right now your cases seem to be just wild flailing, I don't really understand any of it.

I don't paint myself as a hero, wtf are you talking about ? kita is claiming my sudden motivation is due to my will to attack him and become president, when there is an occam razor's explanation.

Your last sentence prove what is checkable.

It's not "good" to downvote a government that passes a liberal policy, try a little bit to understand the context. Kita is pushing the idea that:
"Rels has downvoted every government that has passed a liberal policy!"
But he's also pushing the idea that:
"One of the elected people is scum!"
Do you get now what it is ridiculous about it ?

No. What is wrong with winning a game through scum passing 6 liberal policies in an effort to look good to town? And why is it better to vote no to three governments without scum that passes liberal policies than it is to vote yes to a government with scum that passes a liberal policy? I'm having a very hard time understanding this particular thing.

Why is it better to downvote a scum government that passes liberal than to upvote three town governments that passes liberal?

Anyway, scum will always want to pass some liberal policies in the beginning for town cred, so let them.

I don't understand what you're saying. I'm not claiming I'm town due to my voting pattern, I'm defending against kita's accusation that my votes make me scum.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 09 2018 18:37 GMT
#937
On November 10 2018 03:32 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2018 03:16 Rels wrote:
On November 10 2018 03:13 prplhz wrote:
On November 10 2018 02:36 Rels wrote:
On November 10 2018 02:31 prplhz wrote:
What is checkable? Why is it good to downvote a government that passes a liberal policy? If we had all done like you, where would we have been, policy-wise? Are you proud that, by your own metric, at least one in four of your votes was good?

I sort of get how you don't play early game, I think you always do something like that, but painting yourself a hero because you do that makes no sense. And right now your cases seem to be just wild flailing, I don't really understand any of it.

I don't paint myself as a hero, wtf are you talking about ? kita is claiming my sudden motivation is due to my will to attack him and become president, when there is an occam razor's explanation.

Your last sentence prove what is checkable.

It's not "good" to downvote a government that passes a liberal policy, try a little bit to understand the context. Kita is pushing the idea that:
"Rels has downvoted every government that has passed a liberal policy!"
But he's also pushing the idea that:
"One of the elected people is scum!"
Do you get now what it is ridiculous about it ?

No. What is wrong with winning a game through scum passing 6 liberal policies in an effort to look good to town? And why is it better to vote no to three governments without scum that passes liberal policies than it is to vote yes to a government with scum that passes a liberal policy? I'm having a very hard time understanding this particular thing.

Why is it better to downvote a scum government that passes liberal than to upvote three town governments that passes liberal?

Anyway, scum will always want to pass some liberal policies in the beginning for town cred, so let them.

I don't understand what you're saying. I'm not claiming I'm town due to my voting pattern, I'm defending against kita's accusation that my votes make me scum.


You're not defending it adequately though. Voting no to all four pairings and justifying it by saying one of those 6 players was mafia, doesn't make it okay.

I'm attacking your reasonning. You think at least one dude elected is scum, yet you're attacking me saying "he voted NO to all the teams, therefore he's scum!" Well according to you, I voted NO to at least one scum, so your reasonning doesn't make sense.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 09 2018 18:47 GMT
#939
On November 10 2018 03:40 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2018 03:37 Rels wrote:
On November 10 2018 03:32 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 10 2018 03:16 Rels wrote:
On November 10 2018 03:13 prplhz wrote:
On November 10 2018 02:36 Rels wrote:
On November 10 2018 02:31 prplhz wrote:
What is checkable? Why is it good to downvote a government that passes a liberal policy? If we had all done like you, where would we have been, policy-wise? Are you proud that, by your own metric, at least one in four of your votes was good?

I sort of get how you don't play early game, I think you always do something like that, but painting yourself a hero because you do that makes no sense. And right now your cases seem to be just wild flailing, I don't really understand any of it.

I don't paint myself as a hero, wtf are you talking about ? kita is claiming my sudden motivation is due to my will to attack him and become president, when there is an occam razor's explanation.

Your last sentence prove what is checkable.

It's not "good" to downvote a government that passes a liberal policy, try a little bit to understand the context. Kita is pushing the idea that:
"Rels has downvoted every government that has passed a liberal policy!"
But he's also pushing the idea that:
"One of the elected people is scum!"
Do you get now what it is ridiculous about it ?

No. What is wrong with winning a game through scum passing 6 liberal policies in an effort to look good to town? And why is it better to vote no to three governments without scum that passes liberal policies than it is to vote yes to a government with scum that passes a liberal policy? I'm having a very hard time understanding this particular thing.

Why is it better to downvote a scum government that passes liberal than to upvote three town governments that passes liberal?

Anyway, scum will always want to pass some liberal policies in the beginning for town cred, so let them.

I don't understand what you're saying. I'm not claiming I'm town due to my voting pattern, I'm defending against kita's accusation that my votes make me scum.


You're not defending it adequately though. Voting no to all four pairings and justifying it by saying one of those 6 players was mafia, doesn't make it okay.

I'm attacking your reasonning. You think at least one dude elected is scum, yet you're attacking me saying "he voted NO to all the teams, therefore he's scum!" Well according to you, I voted NO to at least one scum, so your reasonning doesn't make sense.


My argument is that you haven't contributed to a single liberal policy being passed based on your voting record. There isn't any way to depute that, regardless of how you want to frame it.

and that doesn't make anyone scum. Especially since I voted against at least one scum in your view of the game.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 10 2018 18:50 GMT
#977
On November 11 2018 02:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You are also a hypocrite Rels, you and kitaman both have read byj as town and that's a fucking retarded read.

Now you are using circular reasoning. And i wont quote you my questions because you literally said you saw them ans´d would answer. So fuck you,

I think he's scum now. He used his "I'm doing my own stuff" play to vote for kita when he said he would be switching. I was thinking his play was townie 'cause he was doing his own stuff without impact in the game, but now that he used it to push mafia's agenda, I think it was just a scum play to coast by.

The only question I remembered I went back to answer, it was the "prp didn't want to be chancellor D2" stuff. But I can go check if that makes you happy. p:
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 10 2018 18:59 GMT
#982
On November 11 2018 03:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2018 20:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 08 2018 20:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 08 2018 20:17 happykrogan wrote:
To your treating players differently
scum knows each other: you asked the question first while byj just made one random post about it

Rels this is 100% correct. He wasnt necessarily doing what you suggested, because this makes perfect sense and is even way more likely than what you said.

Here is what i have a hard time believing Rels.

If you have a narrative (which in itself isnt necessarily scummy) that treating players differently when they had the same thought (which isnt even what happened there -- but thats another thing), then regarding the prplhz chancellor election, why is it a scumtell for krpgan when what he did was all +1'ing me? Like literally, i started questioning prplhz for his jesitative stance, krogan made almoat the same posts i did, i eventually decided to vote yes, krogan followed me.

Why is this different? It doesnt matter that you have a townread on me from different things, but you know or think a townie -- aka me -- did that, krogan should never get "scum credit" from that if you actually believe in what you say about how krogan treated you/byj.


So you're saying that if I apply the "player X treated 2 players differently and that's scummy" to krogan, I should have applied it you too right. But I didn't apply that to the prp chancellor election ? I said I didn't like that he attacked prp, then changed his opinion when you posted a +1, as if he got scared to vote for Grack / prp before, but after the thread leader said "prp is town", he was confident he could sneak a YES. Nothing to do with "treating 2 players differently" in this situation.

The "treating 2 players differently" was for the "do fascists know each other ?" stuff.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 10 2018 18:59 GMT
#983
unless you're saying I treated you and krogan differently, when I'm accusing krogan of the same thing so I'm an hypocrite ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 10 2018 19:02 GMT
#984
On November 11 2018 03:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It does not help you said you have seen question adressed to you and you would answer them after... And the question i posed was the one you never cared about...

I went back and answered the thread things I remembered (krogan's answer to one of my post, krogan saying I never explained my scumread on kita, and your question about prp chancellor). Yeah I didn't remember this one you juste quoted
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 10 2018 19:04 GMT
#985
rayn why didn't you want Grack / Conversion on D2 if that's the team you liked better than Grack / prp ? It didn't stop Conversion to be president on the next turn and elect Conversion / rayn, at least I don't think so
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 11 2018 04:03 GMT
#1008
I got FFL
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 11 2018 04:04 GMT
#1009
On November 11 2018 12:41 kitaman27 wrote:
lol gj Rels

ty
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 11 2018 14:35 GMT
#1015
On November 11 2018 22:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2018 04:04 Rels wrote:
rayn why didn't you want Grack / Conversion on D2 if that's the team you liked better than Grack / prp ? It didn't stop Conversion to be president on the next turn and elect Conversion / rayn, at least I don't think so

Because i didn't think Grackaroni + Conversion would have a chance to get elected and prplhz looked townie then. I don't know why you are asking about stuff that is very clearly written in my filter.

Wrong. I'm talking about this.
On November 01 2018 18:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Anyways i dont think grackaroni should choose conversion as chancellor anyways since conversion is next in line for president.

Can you explain this logic ? I don't understand why it's bad for a president to chose the next-in-line to be chancellor.
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