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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 03 2018 18:53 GMT
#491
On November 03 2018 07:10 Rels wrote:
my brain tells me there is probably one scum in the first team

Now, which one, and why. Time to put some meat on the bone.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 03 2018 20:30 GMT
#501
The two fascists know each other, they know who hitler is. Hitler does not know who the other two fascists are.
Fascists cannot communicate with each other outside the thread (like in normal mafia game).
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 03 2018 20:31 GMT
#502
On November 04 2018 05:00 Rels wrote:
do fascists really know each other ? I thought that too, but reading the OP it looks like they don't

Yeah you are scum you know this already you have played this on voice mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 03 2018 22:48 GMT
#505
On November 04 2018 05:01 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2018 03:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 03 2018 07:10 Rels wrote:
my brain tells me there is probably one scum in the first team

Now, which one, and why. Time to put some meat on the bone.

I have nothing more than yesterday

Your play so far has been nothing but about "vote analysis" where you have every single time ended up on "i dont have more than before the vote". that's bullshit, for real that is. You have not managed to make a single read, other than your early game read on krogan / grack (that they are town) because of reasons that dont even make sense, yet you have voted against every government that has included them as president (which should be enough for you to vote yes, because if you believe they are town and a "mission" fails, you have 100% scum in your opinion).

so yeah Rels, you are full of shit this game.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 03 2018 22:51 GMT
#506
Now, if you somehow are fucking town, Conversion is president and is gonna pick either me or krogan, and you think one of us is mafia. So put your money where your mouth is and make a fucking read on which one of us is mafia based on actual analysis. We are the two people with most posts in the game, probably more than every other player combined so if you cannot make reads on us then you are also full of shit.

Play the game if you are town, if you are not, like you most likely arent, you can continue with your bs.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 03 2018 23:01 GMT
#510
On November 04 2018 07:59 Rels wrote:
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On November 04 2018 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 04 2018 05:00 Rels wrote:
do fascists really know each other ? I thought that too, but reading the OP it looks like they don't

Yeah you are scum you know this already you have played this on voice mafia.

Liar

Yeah maybe you heavent but you should know that's not how the game works and i dont give a single shit going 1v1 against you because you are scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 03 2018 23:03 GMT
#511
I dont care, i really dont care anymore Rels. I have made up my mind. If you were town this game then you were terrible, but i am not going to ever believe it.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 03 2018 23:06 GMT
#513
The only time you ever come to post on this game is to throw random jabs at someone or throw some dumbass shit posts.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 03 2018 23:59 GMT
#518
On November 04 2018 08:56 Grackaroni wrote:
Anyone watching blizzcon?

yes, sc2, shit game but serral is playing so...
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 04 2018 18:19 GMT
#540
I think Grackaroni is town regardless of what he passed to you.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 05 2018 09:51 GMT
#553
On November 05 2018 05:42 prplhz wrote:
I don't know, I just don't get how, that not wanting to take responsibility and do stuff is a townie thing. Downvoting your own government because of the chancellor that you yourself chose seems like he didn't even want to get elected in the first place. I think that his reason for passing me 2L instead of 1L1F seems townie but I'm not even convinced that that is what he did. And even just watching the cards dealt to him, and to me, seems to be worth it.

I don't think you are necessarily wrong here, or like, i think Grack is town but this doesn't soud dumb or anything. Except that i think Grackaroni should always give you LF instead of LL there, in my opinion he would have gotten way more town credit from passing you LF there.

To me, he was afraid of me, of the cards, of any responsibility. At some point, something is going to happen, and he seemed to be saying "please just let it happen to someone else". If some president has to get 3F, I hope it will be me, just a lot easier to deal with for me.

This i disagree with. When the election started, Grackaroni was originally going to pick Conversion / Rels. How is that more "avoiding responsibility" to pick you and then downvoting his own government? I mean because as i se it the only reason Grackaroni picked you was because i vouched for you, and when you were picked you immediately started acting like you didn't even want to get picked. I think Grackaroni's reaction also makes sense in that situation. Secondly, you yourself said this:
Conversion seems to actively attempt to lose this game, I don't know if Rels always acts like this? Like he doesn't player D1 and then he doesn't really play D2 and then he complains on D3 or something.

Do you think you yourself "look scummier" than these people? If not, then why Grackaroni needs to go through all this trouble to end up in a government where he can avoid responsibility when he could have just picked Conv/Rels -> and his government would be rejected most likely without him having to not backpedal?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 05 2018 09:58 GMT
#554
For the record i just went to check the last game and idk what people are talking about but byj was the only one in that game to even vote for mafia and almost figured out the game on D2. Yeah he didn't say much there but what do you expect in a game that was something ridiculous like 10 pages in total. The point is he actually had reads and they werent even retarded.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 05 2018 20:45 GMT
#610
On November 06 2018 00:14 happykrogan wrote:
So I read through Conversion and came to the conclusion that I still don't think he looks very towny.
He talks more but it's mostly about set-up and math. (where he did a complete 180 btw - but that may have come from him misunderstanding the rules)
This are his only read posts:

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On November 02 2018 23:38 Conversion wrote:

In terms of who's the most liberal in my eyes (as in, I'd elect them Chancellor), it'd be rayn = krogan > everyone else, even if I'm salty about krogan doing nothing but calling me a liar just from how government 1 went.

This read is not really a town tell, because it's a very obvious and non-dangerous read to make
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On November 05 2018 02:53 Conversion wrote:
I also strongly dislike kitaman disclaiming everything he does with a “I’m not sure”

Like he wasn’t sure on the last government, he’s not sure on who he’s going to nominate for a government.

Also his reasoning for me being scummy (I was cool with passing Grack/prplhz for information, calls me out on it, but when others made a comment relating to it he doesn’t address it) is pretty weird. I don’t understand how I’m scummier than prplhz when I made a good call out on his behavior, which he disregared bc “meta”

Just seems weirdly convicted on certain things, and overly eager to share that he is uncertain— like he’s overly accentuating his lack of certainty

I don't even think that's true. He has reads so that is a rather lazy read from conversion to make.
Also I guess he scumreads prplhz? Funny thing is that he was uncertain about him here:
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On November 03 2018 00:06 Conversion wrote:
oof.. I really don't like the second part of his filter. His first part was just a lot of defending himself. IDK if that makes him a facist though?

On November 01 2018 02:46 prplhz wrote:
On November 01 2018 02:41 happykrogan wrote:
On November 01 2018 02:35 prplhz wrote:
On November 01 2018 02:02 happykrogan wrote:
On November 01 2018 00:46 prplhz wrote:
On October 31 2018 10:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 31 2018 10:33 prplhz wrote:
On October 31 2018 10:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
[quote]
What would you think if he said he agrees with Rels' idea?

Super weird to encourage people to reject their own government.

Is that more immediately useful?
If not, what other possible answers are there?

I had expected him to be more aggressive towards the people who reject his government.

So me not fullfilling your expectations doesn't help you to draw conclusions.
How would me fullfilling your expectations help you to draw conclusions, if me doing the opposite thing doesn't?

You didn't do the opposite, you did like a middle of the road thing that didn't push me in either direction.

I guess I believe you... But please do more stuff other than still talking about the kitaman thing, which most of your posts are about.

It's that I don't have unlimited time and people were super mad.

I'm thinking about some other things too, but I'm not ready to post.


what other things were you thinking about prplhz? confused as to why you didn't just post what your thoughts were and instead went straight back into one liners for a bit after

which is the thing he calls kita out for.

So I vote no this government.

You only vote no to this government if you think at least one of kitaman / Rels is townier than Conversion.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 05 2018 20:48 GMT
#611
For the record krogan, i have almost the same read on kitaman that Conversion does. I don't see anything kitaman has done which is something new and revealing, or not just an easy, simple, lazy read.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 05 2018 20:52 GMT
#612
EBWOP:
I don't see anything kitaman has done as something new and revealing, but just an easy, simple, lazy reads.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 05 2018 21:17 GMT
#614
I heavily disagree with your byj read early on. As i already said people who do scummy stuff are usually scum, and there is simply no reasonable explanation why someone wouldn't even try to properly play the game as town, espicially when asked to contribute. Your read was based on meta which wasn't even really a meta read because once again it was lazy, you just took some random ONE game and saw some similarities, while you wouldn't need to go further than literally the last mafia game played on this forum to prove your meta read wrong.

I heavily disagree with your lack of conclusion in the Grack + Conversion / Rels thingy because i think, if you actually thought that through from liberal pov you should have realized there is basically no way Grack can be mafia with Conversion, yet every time you talked about the matter you coupled up Conversion and Rels together and i think you are trying to use that as disguise so you don't actually have to make a conclusion that might hurt you later on.

Regarding the above, this is your list after the discussion about it:
Overall though, I think my trust ratings are better suited as tiers.
tier 1: krogan/rayn (myself)
tier 2: byj/prl/grack
tier 3: conversion/rels

If you really think Conversion and Rels are mafia then why the hell is Grack in the tier 2? Because it would simply be the most retarded thing i have ever seen if Grack wanted to originally nominate two of his scumbuddies, one of which is Rels who is considered scum by almost every single person in the game. If you actually think Conv/Rels are tier 3 then Grack should always be town for you, and just made two bad reads at the start of his presidential turn. Once again we go there; you don't make any hard conclusions when you actually could make those, if you don't think your tier list is accurate the why are you even making one?

The above happened before Grack wanted to pass on his presidental turn and you apparently townread him for it. You have also taken "pot shots" on purplehaze yet it seems like none of his answers gets you anywhere regarding him, well i'd say that's the case with you on others aswell but that is possible you could do that as town since there isn't much from a lot of players in the thread (aka anyone who isn't me or krogan).

Basically i find your reads very easy to make and based on them, if you believed in those reads, the lists you have made make absolutely no sense to me. You should know something is wrong when you have your reads and make them into a list, which should get you into reconsidering and / or trying to find more evidence. You do neither, and instead just post the list.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 05 2018 21:59 GMT
#617
Do you seriously think Grackaroni had the thought that he'd backpedal from nominating Conversion? Because i don't think that's a possibility given how strong he implied his read was (i agree Rels was never gonna get nominated most likely). Because if that was the case this would have happened:
1) Grack thinks: "okay i put my scumbuddy Conversion up there" (at least i agreed with his townread on Conversion back then)
2) "Well this is a super terrible thing to do because Rels isn't gonna be nominated anyways so i have to WAIT FOR HAIL MARY AND CROSS FINGERS THAT SOMEONE COMES AND TELLS ME TO NOMINATE SOMEONE ELSE"
3) rayn vouches for prplhz -> "THANK GOD I WOULD HAVE DONE A TERRIBLE MISTAKE FULLY KNOWING I DID ONE IF RAYN DIDNT DO THAT"

really kita? really? that's not how mafia plays.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 05 2018 22:01 GMT
#619
Like i would believe you more if you called me, grack and conversion mafia team ffs...
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 05 2018 22:43 GMT
#631
btw i won't have internet connection tomorrow at work so i am gonna be around the same time i was today
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 06 2018 20:47 GMT
#662
Gimme a couple of hours i need to count something when i am home.
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