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On November 06 2018 00:51 happykrogan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2018 00:28 Conversion wrote:obvious and non-dangerous read.. so what does that make Kita's read, and everyone literally barring two people (rayn, and possibly Grack)? On November 05 2018 01:18 kitaman27 wrote:
My new tiers for trustworthiness would be:
tier 1: krogan, grack, rayn
tier 2: prpl
tier 3: byj, conversion, rels
I think grack rejecting his own presidency is rather town looking considering the decent opportunity to pass FF. Now that byj has started posting more, I think he looks a lot worse by purposely withholding his reads and asking random questions that don't seem like they serve a purpose.
I'm going to vote down the conversion team. For my presidency, I'd likely nominate krogan who I have a slightly better feeling on, compared to rayn, but I still haven't decided for sure. wow such a non obvious and dangerous lead, amirite Krogan? Also how are you going to say my statement about Kita is not true? He has a good amount of posts that literally just say that he is unsure about something. Care to point out in quotes and filters why it's not true, instead of dismissing me randomly? Also don't put words in my mouth to fit a narrative. I didn't like certain parts of prplhz's play, never scumread him strongly. The worst case scenario in my head was Grack scum prplhz unsure, but I strongly townread Grack (imagine you actually tried to read my filter, and ask if you were unsure as to what I was insinuating. hard task, eh?) On November 03 2018 03:06 Conversion wrote:
pressed post.. whoops. in that case if we think prplhz is a hitler/facist combo, we veto this 100%, but I think the likelihood of it being 1 liberal 1 facist is much higher. I thought if prplhz was scum! in my world, I'd still pass the government because I thought liberal!Grack most likely pass 1/1 L/F to give us information anyways (we ended up getting L/L passed on prplhz) So you're in fact uncertain about prplhz... I thought you may scumread him because of this: Show nested quote +On November 05 2018 02:53 Conversion wrote:
I also strongly dislike kitaman disclaiming everything he does with a “I’m not sure”
Like he wasn’t sure on the last government, he’s not sure on who he’s going to nominate for a government.
Also his reasoning for me being scummy (I was cool with passing Grack/prplhz for information, calls me out on it, but when others made a comment relating to it he doesn’t address it) is pretty weird. I don’t understand how I’m scummier than prplhz when I made a good call out on his behavior, which he disregared bc “meta”
Just seems weirdly convicted on certain things, and overly eager to share that he is uncertain— like he’s overly accentuating his lack of certainty but then that's one less read you have. that's ok... Sorry for putting words in your mouth, that in my mind would have made you less scummy. As to kita: He has made some reads: I won't quote them because I don't want this post to get too long, but I say some postnumbers #213 #543 you are scummy #289 He is not a big fan of Rels #303 a big post where he says where everybody stands in his opinion #365 #535 putting people in tiers #453 "2 of my scumreads" BTW i'm not saying kita is town here. I'm just saying Conversions read is untrue.
where are your dangerous and edgy reads? I'm still waiting aside from your basic ass "rels and byj the barely posting and my one tunneled Conversion read"
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On November 06 2018 00:52 happykrogan wrote:
BTW I just remember a game where Conversion got really angry as he was scumread and ended up as scum.
also terrible read, I get really angry every game
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I literally quoted you saying Rels is scummy because he's inactive.
Ironic that you call me a liar, and you do the same straight to me, huh?
[QUOTE]On November 06 2018 00:35 Conversion wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 03 2018 01:21 happykrogan wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 03 2018 00:25 kitaman27 wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 03 2018 00:16 happykrogan wrote:
I also don't think prplhz is that much less scummy than the other three. The problem I have to vote for people who I think are a little bit scummy or I will have to almost constantly vote no.
And at least we will get informationout of it.[/QUOTE]
Could you give me the spark notes version of who you view as facist and more importantly, why? If you're feeling better about conversion and would pass a grack/prpl team, I'm struggling to get an idea of who you think the bad guys are.[/QUOTE]
As I am conflicted about Conversion I don't really have someone I am convinced is a fascist right now. I have a few people I think are scummy and I would prefer not to vote.
Conversion: Lying but I reconsider him when he is presidential candidate
Rels: What Rayn said + being inactive but writing some easy to make oneliners when he is in thread
Examples:
[QUOTE]On October 30 2018 22:15 Rels wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 30 2018 09:06 prplhz wrote:
Is it a good idea to make the chancellor someone who is easy to read?[/QUOTE]
As opposed to what ? Hard to read ? What's the benefit of that ?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]On October 31 2018 06:19 Rels wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 31 2018 06:02 happykrogan wrote:
I decided to go with rayn. His concern seems like a plausible threat and I don't think scum would reveal that to the thread.[/QUOTE]
I don't know if you've ever played with rayn, but that is not something I would townread him for.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]On October 31 2018 06:27 Rels wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 31 2018 06:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 31 2018 05:32 Rels wrote:
I like hk and grack thought process about finding Hitler. Would prefer one of them as chancellor if we had to choose right now[/QUOTE]
What do you mean? Can you elaborate more?[/QUOTE]
Grack one is he one where he says prp could be scum and kita Hitler. If I rzmember correctly. Not at home so if you don't find it I'll find it later[/QUOTE]
I think Inactivity + a few generic posts is a lot more scummier than just not writing anything
byj: less scummy than rels. posted nothing mentionworth except this:
[QUOTE]On November 01 2018 04:46 byj wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 01 2018 00:32 kitaman27 wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 01 2018 00:12 Conversion wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 31 2018 10:01 Grackaroni wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 31 2018 10:00 Conversion wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 31 2018 09:59 prplhz wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 31 2018 09:42 Conversion wrote:
not really considering ur in it tbh. should have paid attention[/QUOTE]
Because you didn't know he was in it or because you had forgotten it?[/QUOTE]
I didn't look and thought we could have a nice game but forgot who he was.
I voted no pass to this anyways, see you all in 21 hours[/QUOTE]
Why did you vote no?[/QUOTE]
Because the most chaotic way to play is to just topdeck after reaching 3 failed elections, and I will vote no to any government including myself being president[/QUOTE]
lol Conversion is so crazy that he's probably not Hitler.[/QUOTE]
Trying to hint at you knowing who Hitler is? [/QUOTE]
after I asked him to contribute more. The only read he has and it's an easy to make a read about one post.
Generally my gameplan is not really to find scum, but town so I can vote them.
But then I realized if I only vote my top townreads I almost always will vote no, so I will at least vote now for information.
So I voted yes here even if haze is slightly scummy (because Conversion after him is more scummy - at least at the time I made the vote)
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On November 03 2018 01:21 happykrogan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2018 00:25 kitaman27 wrote:On November 03 2018 00:16 happykrogan wrote:
I also don't think prplhz is that much less scummy than the other three. The problem I have to vote for people who I think are a little bit scummy or I will have to almost constantly vote no.
And at least we will get informationout of it. Could you give me the spark notes version of who you view as facist and more importantly, why? If you're feeling better about conversion and would pass a grack/prpl team, I'm struggling to get an idea of who you think the bad guys are. As I am conflicted about Conversion I don't really have someone I am convinced is a fascist right now. I have a few people I think are scummy and I would prefer not to vote. Conversion: Lying but I reconsider him when he is presidential candidate Rels: What Rayn said + being inactive but writing some easy to make oneliners when he is in thread
Examples: Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 22:15 Rels wrote:On October 30 2018 09:06 prplhz wrote:
Is it a good idea to make the chancellor someone who is easy to read? As opposed to what ? Hard to read ? What's the benefit of that ? Show nested quote +On October 31 2018 06:19 Rels wrote:On October 31 2018 06:02 happykrogan wrote:
I decided to go with rayn. His concern seems like a plausible threat and I don't think scum would reveal that to the thread. I don't know if you've ever played with rayn, but that is not something I would townread him for. Show nested quote +On October 31 2018 06:27 Rels wrote:On October 31 2018 06:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2018 05:32 Rels wrote:
I like hk and grack thought process about finding Hitler. Would prefer one of them as chancellor if we had to choose right now What do you mean? Can you elaborate more? Grack one is he one where he says prp could be scum and kita Hitler. If I rzmember correctly. Not at home so if you don't find it I'll find it later I think Inactivity + a few generic posts is a lot more scummier than just not writing anything
byj: less scummy than rels. posted nothing mentionworth except this: Show nested quote +On November 01 2018 04:46 byj wrote:On November 01 2018 00:32 kitaman27 wrote:On November 01 2018 00:12 Conversion wrote:On October 31 2018 10:01 Grackaroni wrote:On October 31 2018 10:00 Conversion wrote:On October 31 2018 09:59 prplhz wrote:On October 31 2018 09:42 Conversion wrote:
not really considering ur in it tbh. should have paid attention Because you didn't know he was in it or because you had forgotten it? I didn't look and thought we could have a nice game but forgot who he was. I voted no pass to this anyways, see you all in 21 hours Why did you vote no? Because the most chaotic way to play is to just topdeck after reaching 3 failed elections, and I will vote no to any government including myself being president lol Conversion is so crazy that he's probably not Hitler. Trying to hint at you knowing who Hitler is? after I asked him to contribute more. The only read he has and it's an easy to make a read about one post. Generally my gameplan is not really to find scum, but town so I can vote them. But then I realized if I only vote my top townreads I almost always will vote no, so I will at least vote now for information. So I voted yes here even if haze is slightly scummy (because Conversion after him is more scummy - at least at the time I made the vote)
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ready, happykrogan? I am now going to put you on my scummy list until the end of the game, because you lied. how fucking ironic. oh, sweet, SWEET irony.
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On November 06 2018 01:02 happykrogan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2018 00:52 Conversion wrote:On November 06 2018 00:52 happykrogan wrote:
BTW I just remember a game where Conversion got really angry as he was scumread and ended up as scum. also terrible read, I get really angry every game So then you have my honest pity.
I don't need your pity, because I'm honestly not that pissed right now. In the past hour you've lied, made a shit meta read that you couldn't even verify which takes all of 2 minutes, and still refuse to make any logical connections to facist connections.
Welcome to the no longer liberal list, bud. Thank god I elected rayn over you.
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On November 06 2018 01:07 happykrogan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2018 01:04 happykrogan wrote:On November 06 2018 01:02 Conversion wrote:
ready, happykrogan? I am now going to put you on my scummy list until the end of the game, because you lied. how fucking ironic. oh, sweet, SWEET irony. Lol. Yes that would be funny. Sadly I say inactivity + a few generic posts is worse then not writing anything  Look: I proved I didn't lie. Something you're unable to do
No, Krogan don't bullshit me. You scumread Rels for being inactive, first and foremost, then making a few posts to try and look like he's contributing.
Then you tried to backpedal when I called you out on it "oh but I also made this one comment as well lol I'm not a liar "
keep doing the mental gymnastics, dude
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@Kitaman I'm not quite sure if I townread him. He's refusing to really make any more advanced reads from his Conversion/Rels/byj circle that he called out earlier, and that bothers me a lot. Granted, we are up 2:0 right now, but with 3 liberal cards left and 8 facist cards, it's crucial that liberals evaluate as much information as they can and try to reach from the reads, make connections, etc. I'm not seeing that from krogan-- he just seems to be content in calling his little circle of scummy people out (albeit for not the right reasons, as he tried to do here with a meta read on me) bothers me a lot
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On November 06 2018 01:15 happykrogan wrote:
You're too fixated on that meta read. I remembered it and said it. Then you pointed out why it was bs and I took it back.
I'm fixated in the fact that your read progression has stayed in the same circle because you are conveniently tunneled onto 3 people, have not re-evaluated anything, randomly threw the idea that byj was Hitler (so he now evolves within your convenient 3)
are you going to read what I wrote, or are you going to be smug about how you didn't lie because you added a supporting statement on your main reason why you scumread Rels?
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On November 06 2018 01:30 happykrogan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2018 01:29 Conversion wrote:On November 06 2018 01:15 happykrogan wrote:
You're too fixated on that meta read. I remembered it and said it. Then you pointed out why it was bs and I took it back. I'm fixated in the fact that your read progression has stayed in the same circle because you are conveniently tunneled onto 3 people, have not re-evaluated anything, randomly threw the idea that byj was Hitler (so he now evolves within your convenient 3) are you going to read what I wrote, or are you going to be smug about how you didn't lie because you added a supporting statement on your main reason why you scumread Rels? the main reason is the two things combined. I don't know how to make it clearer so I ignore that from now on.
The main reason is he is inactive, and making some generic posts to circumvent his inactiveness.
You don't have to make it any clearer, liar. Let me know when you're going to actually play the game instead of calling other people lazy while you have the same three scumreads since the beginning of the game.
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anyways, my state of the game:
elect always: rayn
elect high priority: grack
neutral: kita
try not to elect: prplhz, byj, happykrogan, rels
I'll come back later so I'm not spamming it up more than I already have
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On November 06 2018 02:56 byj wrote:Why exactly again?
Because I found him the most liberal out of anyone in the thread?
Care to answer my question on what your "plan" was that I apparently ignored?
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On November 05 2018 22:51 byj wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2018 20:33 happykrogan wrote:
A plan you still didn't share with us. So what was your plan? Or your fake plan to cover up the actual plan which was finding people that would defend your fake plan. Is getting reads onto people not a plan?Show nested quote +
Also don't you think it's more probable that scum would attack you on this?
The second half of your post looks like your reasoning for scum potentially defending you, is that Rels and Conversion are targets that are easier to push for mafia, so you have to think they're town. There are only 3 Scums, so 'having a solid scumread' against 3 as Scum would be sub-optimal, since then you'd pretty much expected to vote for everyone else. So max. 2 townies, but likely more, if you're Hitler, or pretending to play against other Fascists. Show nested quote +But then you say you don't think they have to be innocent so your whole post doesn't make sense. I really don't get the logic in that conclusion, care to elaborate?
that was your plan? getting reads onto people?
why am I or Rels suspicious for flat out ignoring you on getting reads onto people?
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I got L/F/F, passed on L/F to rayn.
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assuming no one lied, we have cycled through 4L and 5F, so we're at 2L 6F
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I have family coming up starting today so not a lot of time to play.
I think the best way to approach it is go for elections (so elect most townie people as chancellors), reject everything that seems way to scummy. We can possibly eat one facist policy being enacted before rayn, since if we do, we should 100% skip until rayn is president, and then if he eats a policy he gets to investigate, otherwise we most likely get a liberal policy passed, leaving us at 4-1, or 3-2 with one either confirmed facist or confirmed liberal, which is super good still for us.
If a liberal policy is passed, I think we enact Rels's presidency anyways to try and set up investigative on rayn.
I think rayn's plan was similar to this? not quite sure-- haven't had to time to read deeply into it.
That's how I think I want to play until the reshuffle
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so kita should elect grack I think? and then if a facist gets passed, we pass and rayn elects who he wants and it's a win win either way, bigger win we get liberal policy, pretty big win if facist is passed and he gets investigative.
if kita/grack gets a liberal passed, we enact rels+rayn team, and if this yields a a facist policy we set up investigative for rayn going into as 4L 1F, which is an even more ideal position
the only real problem with this plan is if rayn is not liberal ofc, but I have no reason to believe that the moment
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On November 08 2018 00:40 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2018 00:36 Conversion wrote:
so kita should elect grack I think? and then if a facist gets passed, we pass and rayn elects who he wants and it's a win win either way, bigger win we get liberal policy, pretty big win if facist is passed and he gets investigative.
if kita/grack gets a liberal passed, we enact rels+rayn team, and if this yields a a facist policy we set up investigative for rayn going into as 4L 1F, which is an even more ideal position
the only real problem with this plan is if rayn is not liberal ofc, but I have no reason to believe that the moment I see your intent but I disagree since I'm pretty sure kita is scum. We can pass kita, elect me/Grack; then if a facsist pass you can go on with your plan, if a liberal passes we have basically won
yeah rereading my plan I think you're right in that it boils down to skipping you or kita again.. more inclined to skip kitaman so I'll rethink and redive.
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I'm tempted to just OMGUS kitaman and veto him because he keeps sticking to this "Conversion is scummy and I will never reposition myself away from this position" and it's on krogan's level of stubbornness and it's annoying me, but I'll objectively dive.
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