EPT[M][T] Secret Hitler, Act I, Take II - Page 3
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So purplehaze, this is what bothers me: - You have taken part to discussion of how governments should be elected and imo come to conclusion that we should elect townie people. - After the above has happened, you ask "Is it a good idea to make the chancellor someone who is easy to read?" - When krogan asks you "why do you ask that?", you answer: It's that things stay more simple if we can trust the first governments. It's actually I thought, let's just elect kita but he's super hard to read I think, so he can mess things up early and we can't trust anything that's going on later because we don't know if he lied about policies or not. The last quote doesn't make any sense unless you were, at the time of when you asked "Is it a good idea to make the chancellor someone who is easy to read?", thinking of electing kitaman, but both your answer (in the last quote), and how you took part to the discussion earlier disagrees with that. | ||
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On October 31 2018 09:41 Conversion wrote: are we generally agreeing to pass these two or what are you generally even planning on actually playing the game or what | ||
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On October 31 2018 09:57 prplhz wrote: No, I wasn't thinking about electing kita when I asked that question. Before I asked that question I was thinking about electing kita but then I changed my mind and made a post about what had changed my mind (how readability and townyness ). Then I thought that it was a good idea to elect townie people (and not necessarily super scum hunters), and I wrote it in the thread, in the form of a question because then maybe someone will answer and maybe we can talk about something. I don't think anybody in the thread had clearly expressed the thought that townyness is important, and skill/dependability irrelevant up until that point. But maybe nobody had found that necessary to point out, because nobody had had the same thought process as me which was 1) elect kita/random! (nothing matters) 2) maybe do like mayor elections (or how i pretty much every game in that I sheep a lot)? (skill and townyness matter) 3) no, the only things that matter are readbility/townyness (townyness matters, skill is irrelevant) Okay let me try to understand. You ask this: On October 30 2018 09:06 prplhz wrote: Is it a good idea to make the chancellor someone who is easy to read? Now i am thinking here, when i read this, "why do you ask that?" krogan actually asks you about it, and you say: On October 30 2018 09:39 prplhz wrote: It's that things stay more simple if we can trust the first governments. It's actually I thought, let's just elect kita but he's super hard to read I think, so he can mess things up early and we can't trust anything that's going on later because we don't know if he lied about policies or not. I will break this down by possible answers i see: - "It's that things stay more simple if we can trust the first governments" (so elect townies, why ask the question in the first place when you already have the answer?) - or this; " It's actually I thought, let's just elect kita but he's super hard to read I think, so he can mess things up early and we can't trust anything that's going on later because we don't know if he lied about policies or not", which you say it's not, so i wonder; what does your answer have to do with the question unless it's the kitaman part? | ||
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On October 31 2018 10:12 prplhz wrote: Because maybe you could have answered something else that would have been more immediately useful to me. I don't know in advance what your answer may be. What would you think if he said he agrees with Rels' idea? | ||
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On October 31 2018 10:33 prplhz wrote: Super weird to encourage people to reject their own government. Is that more immediately useful? If not, what other possible answers are there? | ||
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On October 30 2018 12:55 byj wrote: sorry for the basically blank post, but 5AM here, or 6AM without time change. Do you consider you have shared many reads or useful thoughts after you said the above? | ||
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On October 31 2018 23:17 byj wrote: No, but I don't have any concrete feelings yet, some people make more sense than others, but it's nothing concrete yet. The lack of lynching doesn't help considering we won't get alignments until at least 3 Fascist policies have passed. Though for what it's worth if I were to just blindly pick I'd have a 3:4 chance of getting Scum In a normal game its also certainly possible to lynch mafia on D1, aka make concrete reads. Making yourself readable and trying to figure things out makes your alignment clearer to other people, and makes poe for townies easier. Idk like... why should i consider you town atm? If you cant answer that, do you think you should do something about it? | ||
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On November 01 2018 00:38 Conversion wrote: In all seriousness, I like to always pass the first go, in any similar game like mafia when possible, to reveal where votes went and talk about that to get more information and give me one more round to work with, since drawing a random card as a policy isn't the worst thing ever, neither is adding one to the election tracker early on. Whether that's optimal or not, I'm not quite sure but I do like doing it. Considering we can get RNG'd and get a F/F/F draw (unless this is impossible, someone correct me please if it is), I don't see why we're in any rush to elect this particular government. Here is my problem with conversion's reasoning: As town you wanna do townie things, right? Lets say the strategy for passing first government for vote analysis is legit. But what happens when everyone implements this townie strategy (which they obvs should because townies should do townie things)? You have 8 no-votes, how are you going to do vote analysis? + there is the fact that just like rels, conversion doesnt seem to be doing anything, just asking for extra time. I mean, a townie thing would imo be if: Try to make reads -> too little time -> ask for more time And not; Do nothing -> ask for more time -> continue doing nothing | ||
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On November 01 2018 11:14 Grackaroni wrote: Cool. I'm probably going to pick either Conversion on Rels. Why would you ever pick Rels???? | ||
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I dont really find anything kitaman/Rels/byj have done townie. As for kita, i dont really think he has done anything scummy either but imo that doesnt really warrant a townread on a player of his caliber. | ||
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On November 01 2018 18:38 happykrogan wrote: @Grackaroni @Raynpelikoneet How can such behaviour ever come from town? I would agree with you if this was about something that really matters, like if conversion had a scumread on someone and then forgot about it. But i dont think gameplaywise technical things go to that category and if he wants to discuss those things as scum i'd think he'd be sure to keep his story straight (because he can basically have any opinion he wants and it doesnt necessarily make him scum -- thats why this long discussion about technical things sucks, just play the game and make reads, thats priority #1). You'd be surprised how dumb things people can actually do. Some games ago we had a player who didnt know how their role worked, even after they were told to go re-read their role pm.... | ||
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On November 01 2018 22:44 Grackaroni wrote: I don't understand this. I just submitted Conversion but I can still change. My thought process so far is that there is an argument to make that conversion is not town and while you and i dont share that sentiment the team is gonna be most likely rejected. And i trust you as president more than conversion (and the two ppl after) atm. I can elaborate onto that more aswell ~2 hrs before deadline. I have a busy day at work and this will need effort more than 10minutes. | ||
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On November 01 2018 22:48 Grackaroni wrote: Nvm I went back to check your filter it's because it gives more discussion. Its not actually that, its because i want a team that can pass or if i fuck up it has to be hitler. | ||
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Bbasically you are saying that grack is scum because he wants to elect a low-hanging fruit to pass blame on, but both of those low-hanging fruits are also scum... | ||
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