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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 03 2018 22:59 GMT
#507
On November 04 2018 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On November 04 2018 05:00 Rels wrote:
do fascists really know each other ? I thought that too, but reading the OP it looks like they don't

Yeah you are scum you know this already you have played this on voice mafia.

Liar
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 03 2018 23:01 GMT
#509
On November 04 2018 07:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On November 04 2018 05:01 Rels wrote:
On November 04 2018 03:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 03 2018 07:10 Rels wrote:
my brain tells me there is probably one scum in the first team

Now, which one, and why. Time to put some meat on the bone.

I have nothing more than yesterday

Your play so far has been nothing but about "vote analysis" where you have every single time ended up on "i dont have more than before the vote". that's bullshit, for real that is. You have not managed to make a single read, other than your early game read on krogan / grack (that they are town) because of reasons that dont even make sense, yet you have voted against every government that has included them as president (which should be enough for you to vote yes, because if you believe they are town and a "mission" fails, you have 100% scum in your opinion).

so yeah Rels, you are full of shit this game.

fuck you. Vote analysis has been a small part so you blew out of propotion. My main thing this game has been my prp read which you don't even acknowledge here.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 03 2018 23:03 GMT
#512
On November 04 2018 08:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On November 04 2018 07:59 Rels wrote:
On November 04 2018 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 04 2018 05:00 Rels wrote:
do fascists really know each other ? I thought that too, but reading the OP it looks like they don't

Yeah you are scum you know this already you have played this on voice mafia.

Liar

Yeah maybe you heavent but you should know that's not how the game works and i dont give a single shit going 1v1 against you because you are scum.

I think you're town so communication is over now. Not talking to someone that thinks I should somehow know things out of thin air
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 03 2018 23:06 GMT
#514
On November 04 2018 08:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The only time you ever come to post on this game is to throw random jabs at someone or throw some dumbass shit posts.

Wrong. Don't talk to me
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 04 2018 00:16 GMT
#524
On November 04 2018 08:22 happykrogan wrote:
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On November 04 2018 08:03 Rels wrote:
On November 04 2018 08:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 04 2018 07:59 Rels wrote:
On November 04 2018 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 04 2018 05:00 Rels wrote:
do fascists really know each other ? I thought that too, but reading the OP it looks like they don't

Yeah you are scum you know this already you have played this on voice mafia.

Liar

Yeah maybe you heavent but you should know that's not how the game works and i dont give a single shit going 1v1 against you because you are scum.

I think you're town so communication is over now. Not talking to someone that thinks I should somehow know things out of thin air

So I am confirmed scum in your opinion now?

No.
I had this idea thinking about the first vote at some point but I dont think it was a strong point
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 04 2018 00:17 GMT
#525
I feel more strongly about prp and kita being scum. Don't know about the third
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 06 2018 01:36 GMT
#646
fuck just as I got to a PC
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 06 2018 01:39 GMT
#647
well if liberal passes we're like pretty close to the win, so it's cool
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 06 2018 01:41 GMT
#648
On November 04 2018 09:43 happykrogan wrote:
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On November 04 2018 09:17 Rels wrote:
I feel more strongly about prp and kita being scum. Don't know about the third

Why kita? The only thing I found in your filter was the prpl/kita thing from the beginning and this post:
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On November 03 2018 05:32 Rels wrote:
On November 02 2018 03:06 Grackaroni wrote:
It just doesn't really make any sense. You're accusing me of knowingly choosing the players that appear the scummiest in thread but if they are actually the scummiest looking players then my team will just be rejected anyway.

yeah this is a very stupid accusation

I'm pretty sure I have a few more posts on my filter regarding kita. Regardless I'll make a bigger post if he's ever considered for a chancellor
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 06 2018 01:42 GMT
#649
On November 04 2018 09:50 happykrogan wrote:
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On November 04 2018 09:16 Rels wrote:
On November 04 2018 08:22 happykrogan wrote:
On November 04 2018 08:03 Rels wrote:
On November 04 2018 08:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 04 2018 07:59 Rels wrote:
On November 04 2018 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 04 2018 05:00 Rels wrote:
do fascists really know each other ? I thought that too, but reading the OP it looks like they don't

Yeah you are scum you know this already you have played this on voice mafia.

Liar

Yeah maybe you heavent but you should know that's not how the game works and i dont give a single shit going 1v1 against you because you are scum.

I think you're town so communication is over now. Not talking to someone that thinks I should somehow know things out of thin air

So I am confirmed scum in your opinion now?

No.
I had this idea thinking about the first vote at some point but I dont think it was a strong point

also this thought process doesn't feel honest.

well, as I've told you earlier, my scum game is very good. Did you check my past games like I told you to ? This never happens when I'm scum I never change my mind without a reason
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 07 2018 03:09 GMT
#703
On November 07 2018 05:32 kitaman27 wrote:
Cool.

There was at least one facist who has been elected so far, which means they either chose not to sabotage or didn't have an opportunity to sabotage. I think the facist player would usually choose to sabotage if they have the opportunity, unless they are Hitler.

Unless things really, really spiral out of control it seems unlikely that we'd hit 6 facist policies. The path to victory seems to be pretty straight forward and we have a dt check as a safe guard for when we eventually hit FFF. If we get a town result, that gives us a decent way to avoid Hitler as chancellor for half of the elections.

Either Krogan or Grack for me this cycle. I'm going to re-read one more time before I decide to see if I can figure out who the elected facist might be.

just a thought, maybe it's the dude that got two liberal policies ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 07 2018 03:17 GMT
#704
On November 07 2018 09:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like idk, i have a very hard time believing you basically think all mafia have voted yes all the time in almost all-town missions....

if prp is Hitler and kita is scum, most of the game makes sense. Kita voting YES to the prp team, then voting no to the last team. Last scum being in byj / krogan
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 07 2018 03:24 GMT
#705
I disagree with your plan rayn. I understand that it's different from your point of view, but from mine it's very likely that scum is prp / kita / byj / krogan. Yes we might have a bad luck on the next draw, but it's only a 35% chance.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 07 2018 03:30 GMT
#706
actually byj looks like a townie doing its own thing
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 07 2018 03:36 GMT
#707
On November 03 2018 08:59 byj wrote:
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On November 02 2018 23:23 Grackaroni wrote:
On November 02 2018 23:21 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 02 2018 23:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I aisi have absolutely zero idea how anyone could ever think byj is even remotely townie, so that read of yours sounds like bs. Unless you have some extremely through meta-analysis.


I went by his single game in the database:
https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/533201-elementary-mafia?user=byj

Dude had a bunch of 1 liners, didn't really care how he looked, and ended up getting mislynched as town. I definitely don't feel good about having him in my top 4, but I think he looks slightly better than prpl at the moment and is more of an afk than having done anything inherently scummy so far.


+1 to this.


How do you guys feel now? Shouldn't I be practically scum now, due to not talking but voting?

On November 03 2018 23:10 byj wrote:
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On November 03 2018 10:24 kitaman27 wrote:
Are you trying to refute my post or something? o.O

Asking for updates, not refuting

On November 04 2018 02:33 byj wrote:
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On November 04 2018 00:23 happykrogan wrote:
Why didn't you talk but vote?
It depends why you did as it was obviously intentional.

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On November 04 2018 01:33 Grackaroni wrote:
Why did you vote no without saying anything?

What do you guys think the reason is?

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On November 04 2018 01:44 Grackaroni wrote:
I forgot that there's probably still a lot of confusion among mafia whether prplhz/I are town or not.

Among hitler you mean?

On November 04 2018 08:01 byj wrote:
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On November 04 2018 05:19 happykrogan wrote:
Here to reinforce the idea fascist don't know other, because you're fascist and it's wrong? Why else would that be the only thing you say right now?

Scroll up? I literally just said the opposite? Either way I PM'd [UoN], let's see what he has to say.
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I mean you could use the time to tell us why you voted but didn't talk.

First I want an answer from you

On November 04 2018 09:05 byj wrote:
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On November 04 2018 08:25 happykrogan wrote:
Here to reinforce the idea fascist don't know other, because you're fascist and it's wrong? Why else would that be the only thing you say right now?

Scroll up? I literally just said the opposite? Either way I PM'd [UoN], let's see what he has to say.
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I mean you could use the time to tell us why you voted but didn't talk.

First I want an answer from you

No you didn't
[/quote]
https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/538533-secret-hitler-act-i-take-ii?page=25#481

The fact that you are the first one mentioning it makes it NAI until you explain it.
I mean it seems like you wanted to do something with it. It was obvioulsy sonething you planned so I have to know what you planned.

NAI? So what do you think I planned?
On November 04 2018 08:56 Grackaroni wrote:
Anyone watching blizzcon?

Only watched the BW stuff, but think it's all over now[/QUOTE]
On November 04 2018 09:09 byj wrote:
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On November 04 2018 08:25 happykrogan wrote:
On November 04 2018 09:05 byj wrote:
On November 04 2018 08:25 happykrogan wrote:
Scroll up? I literally just said the opposite? Either way I PM'd [UoN], let's see what he has to say.

First I want an answer from you

No you didn't

https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/538533-secret-hitler-act-i-take-ii?page=25#481
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The fact that you are the first one mentioning it makes it NAI until you explain it.
I mean it seems like you wanted to do something with it. It was obvioulsy sonething you planned so I have to know what you planned.

NAI? So what do you think I planned?
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On November 04 2018 08:56 Grackaroni wrote:
Anyone watching blizzcon?

Only watched the BW stuff, but think it's all over now
Fixed quotes now

On November 05 2018 20:05 byj wrote:
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On November 04 2018 13:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:

Thanks <3
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On November 05 2018 18:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
For the record i just went to check the last game and idk what people are talking about but byj was the only one in that game to even vote for mafia and almost figured out the game on D2. Yeah he didn't say much there but what do you expect in a game that was something ridiculous like 10 pages in total. The point is he actually had reads and they werent even retarded.

<3
Probably the game before that

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asking random questions that don't seem like they serve a purpose.

What makes you think they don't serve a purpose?


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On November 04 2018 21:32 happykrogan wrote:
but I acknowledge that you might think you had a good plan.

I was hoping for people to come 'defend' my plan, or try to not push me too hard. There would be no reason to do so, so I can assume the people doing so are Scum trying to gain my credit. Especially now in hindsight that Rels and Conversation seem to be easy to push as Scum instead (doesn't mean I think they're innocent either, they flatout ignored what I did =\).

On November 05 2018 22:51 byj wrote:
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On November 05 2018 20:33 happykrogan wrote:
A plan you still didn't share with us. So what was your plan? Or your fake plan to cover up the actual plan which was finding people that would defend your fake plan.

Is getting reads onto people not a plan?
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Also don't you think it's more probable that scum would attack you on this?
The second half of your post looks like your reasoning for scum potentially defending you, is that Rels and Conversion are targets that are easier to push for mafia, so you have to think they're town.

There are only 3 Scums, so 'having a solid scumread' against 3 as Scum would be sub-optimal, since then you'd pretty much expected to vote for everyone else. So max. 2 townies, but likely more, if you're Hitler, or pretending to play against other Fascists.
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But then you say you don't think they have to be innocent so your whole post doesn't make sense.

I really don't get the logic in that conclusion, care to elaborate?

On November 06 2018 02:50 byj wrote:
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On November 05 2018 23:11 happykrogan wrote:
For people defending your bait plan, you need to tell us your plan first. If your plan is just: Let's look for people defending my plan, no one will be defend your fake/bait plan because you never told it.

You can react to it either way. It's just that people don't seem to want to do so.
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You think scum would defend you because it is easier to push rels and Conversion. Therefore you have to have a townread on both of them.Then you proceed to say you don't have a townread on them.

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On November 05 2018 23:19 happykrogan wrote:
Hitler would not out himself anyways because scum knows him. It would be a communication attempt to see who the other fascists are.

Instead of just waiting for them to communicate to him?

all this talk about this "plan" seems just so naïve. I wouldn't expect any scum to think it would be a good thing to talk about for a thousand posts.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 07 2018 03:42 GMT
#708
On November 04 2018 05:07 happykrogan wrote:
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On October 25 2018 04:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:

The game consists of 8 players in total:

1 player is Hitler.
There are 2 other fascists who know Hitler. Hitler does not know who the fascists are.
There is no QT for any of the fascists. All communication is in-thread.


Hitler does not not know.
Not the fascist don't know.
So they probably know each other... At least I thought so the whole game.

On November 04 2018 05:19 happykrogan wrote:
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On November 04 2018 05:11 byj wrote:
On November 04 2018 05:00 Rels wrote:
do fascists really know each other ? I thought that too, but reading the OP it looks like they don't

Oh you're right
There are 2 other fascists who know Hitler. Hitler does not know who the fascists are.

So I guess they'll have to find out with communication onto the same person, should be no other way to differentiate between hitler and fascist otherwise

Here to reinforce the idea fascist don't know other, because you're fascist and it's wrong? Why else would that be the only thing you say right now?
I mean you could use the time to tell us why you voted but didn't talk.

The bolded is ridiculous. First, what possible gain would scum would have to lie about something so easily disproved ?

Second, there is a disconnect between your two posts. In the first, you say to have assumed that fascists know each other, but you're not 100% sure. In the second post, you're so sure that fascists know each other, so you accuse someone else of lying about it. That makes no sense.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 07 2018 03:47 GMT
#709
Plus, I'm realizing you're treating me and byj differently, when we made the almost same post. Me:

On November 04 2018 05:00 Rels wrote:
do fascists really know each other ? I thought that too, but reading the OP it looks like they don't

On November 04 2018 05:07 happykrogan wrote:
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On October 25 2018 04:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:

The game consists of 8 players in total:

1 player is Hitler.
There are 2 other fascists who know Hitler. Hitler does not know who the fascists are.
There is no QT for any of the fascists. All communication is in-thread.


Hitler does not not know.
Not the fascist don't know.
So they probably know each other... At least I thought so the whole game.

byj:
On November 04 2018 05:11 byj wrote:
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On November 04 2018 05:00 Rels wrote:
do fascists really know each other ? I thought that too, but reading the OP it looks like they don't

Oh you're right
Show nested quote +
There are 2 other fascists who know Hitler. Hitler does not know who the fascists are.

So I guess they'll have to find out with communication onto the same person, should be no other way to differentiate between hitler and fascist otherwise

On November 04 2018 05:19 happykrogan wrote:
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On November 04 2018 05:11 byj wrote:
On November 04 2018 05:00 Rels wrote:
do fascists really know each other ? I thought that too, but reading the OP it looks like they don't

Oh you're right
There are 2 other fascists who know Hitler. Hitler does not know who the fascists are.

So I guess they'll have to find out with communication onto the same person, should be no other way to differentiate between hitler and fascist otherwise

Here to reinforce the idea fascist don't know other, because you're fascist and it's wrong? Why else would that be the only thing you say right now?
I mean you could use the time to tell us why you voted but didn't talk.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 07 2018 03:59 GMT
#710
WOW I think I got something big. If the team is really prp / kita / krogan, they really showed face during the D2 vote, the first time of the game I did some real posts and attacked prp pretty hard. If I'm right about the team, krogan was pressured to voting NO:
On November 03 2018 06:13 happykrogan wrote:
I may change my vote to no.
prplhz listening stuff why Grack is scummy after he got elected at chancellor seems like setting up a 1v1 after a scum policy gets enacted.
Just realized that.

Then rayn says he thinks prp is town:
On November 03 2018 06:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Idk i am pretty sure purplehaze is town.

That seems to boost kita and krogan's confidence into very carefully voting YES:
On November 03 2018 06:44 kitaman27 wrote:
lol I've submitted pass and fail 4 different times and I'm still not sure which to go with.

I'm at pass at the moment.

On November 03 2018 06:45 happykrogan wrote:
I think whatever I choose it will feel like the wrong thing in the end...

On November 03 2018 06:48 happykrogan wrote:
Whatever... changing to pass again...

You can go reread these pages (page 20-22). It really looks like this short, noargument rayn post gave confidence to kita and krogan to push for a YES vote to get prp elected. Even though krogan listed a good reason as to why prp was scummy, and prp was not answering well to my attack.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 07 2018 04:24 GMT
#711
This also makes no sense to me. Another example of treating two players differently, when those players have done a similar thing.

kita makes a random post about Hitler, byj attacks kita on it. happykrogan finds byj's attack weak, saying "Your reasoning is just the post seems out of place and had the word hitler in it ?"
On November 01 2018 00:32 kitaman27 wrote:
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On November 01 2018 00:12 Conversion wrote:
On October 31 2018 10:01 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 31 2018 10:00 Conversion wrote:
On October 31 2018 09:59 prplhz wrote:
On October 31 2018 09:42 Conversion wrote:
not really considering ur in it tbh. should have paid attention

Because you didn't know he was in it or because you had forgotten it?


I didn't look and thought we could have a nice game but forgot who he was.

I voted no pass to this anyways, see you all in 21 hours

Why did you vote no?


Because the most chaotic way to play is to just topdeck after reaching 3 failed elections, and I will vote no to any government including myself being president


lol Conversion is so crazy that he's probably not Hitler.

On November 01 2018 04:46 byj wrote:
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On November 01 2018 00:32 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 01 2018 00:12 Conversion wrote:
On October 31 2018 10:01 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 31 2018 10:00 Conversion wrote:
On October 31 2018 09:59 prplhz wrote:
On October 31 2018 09:42 Conversion wrote:
not really considering ur in it tbh. should have paid attention

Because you didn't know he was in it or because you had forgotten it?


I didn't look and thought we could have a nice game but forgot who he was.

I voted no pass to this anyways, see you all in 21 hours

Why did you vote no?


Because the most chaotic way to play is to just topdeck after reaching 3 failed elections, and I will vote no to any government including myself being president


lol Conversion is so crazy that he's probably not Hitler.

Trying to hint at you knowing who Hitler is?


On November 01 2018 06:27 happykrogan wrote:
Also I don't get how kitaman's post would make sense as a scum reveal to hitler.

On November 01 2018 06:29 happykrogan wrote:
Your reasoning is just the post seems out of place and had the word hitler in it?


But later in the game, he takes this same post of byj, and now is attaking byj of maybe being Hitler, for two reasons:
- voting but not talking could be seen as an attempt to communicate with his scumbuddies. That makes no sense, since Hitler doesn't have anything to communicate to his buddies ?
- for talking a lot about Hitler - the same reasonning he dismissed earlier when byj attacked kita for it.

On November 05 2018 22:15 happykrogan wrote:
Actually I think byj could very well be hitler. (which would be kind of funny because he is austrian)
A lot of his filter hints at this imo.
The whole voting but not talking thing I could interpret as an attempt to communicate with his scumbuddies. Also he is talking a lot about hitler. Like almost half of his serious posts.
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On November 01 2018 04:46 byj wrote:
On November 01 2018 00:32 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 01 2018 00:12 Conversion wrote:
On October 31 2018 10:01 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 31 2018 10:00 Conversion wrote:
On October 31 2018 09:59 prplhz wrote:
On October 31 2018 09:42 Conversion wrote:
not really considering ur in it tbh. should have paid attention

Because you didn't know he was in it or because you had forgotten it?


I didn't look and thought we could have a nice game but forgot who he was.

I voted no pass to this anyways, see you all in 21 hours

Why did you vote no?


Because the most chaotic way to play is to just topdeck after reaching 3 failed elections, and I will vote no to any government including myself being president


lol Conversion is so crazy that he's probably not Hitler.

Trying to hint at you knowing who Hitler is?

Or maybe this is true for himself, and he is a normal fascist but one way or the other and I don't think I will ever vote him this game.

Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 07 2018 04:39 GMT
#712
yeah having finished reasing byj and happykrogan's filter, I think byj is town and happykrogan is scum. I expected the opposite to happen when I started reading them. p:

I quoted the more damning things above about happykrogan. But even more than that, he posts a lot, but most of his reads are very surface level. He has a lot of posts, but not a lot of reads that are interesting. His "byj is Hitler" post above is one of the exception, as in it's a pretty interesting one, but as said above it doesn't match with his previous stance. His post about prp D2 is also a good read, but he ends up dismissing it and voting YES to the prp team for no apparent reason.

The rest is pretty bland. Attacking me because I made lazy oneliners and because my thought process didn't show in the posts I wrote, even though, I told him multiple times that it's actually a town tell for me. Attacking byj about his "plan". The stuff he attacks Conversion with is pretty weak too.
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