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On November 01 2018 02:41 happykrogan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2018 02:35 prplhz wrote:On November 01 2018 02:02 happykrogan wrote:On November 01 2018 00:46 prplhz wrote:On October 31 2018 10:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2018 10:33 prplhz wrote:On October 31 2018 10:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2018 10:12 prplhz wrote:On October 31 2018 10:06 happykrogan wrote:On October 31 2018 09:57 prplhz wrote:
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Verdict pending but I don't think I'll make much of it. So why ask in the first place if you don't come to conclusions? Because maybe you could have answered something else that would have been more immediately useful to me. I don't know in advance what your answer may be. What would you think if he said he agrees with Rels' idea? Super weird to encourage people to reject their own government. Is that more immediately useful? If not, what other possible answers are there? I had expected him to be more aggressive towards the people who reject his government. So me not fullfilling your expectations doesn't help you to draw conclusions. How would me fullfilling your expectations help you to draw conclusions, if me doing the opposite thing doesn't? You didn't do the opposite, you did like a middle of the road thing that didn't push me in either direction. I guess I believe you... But please do more stuff other than still talking about the kitaman thing, which most of your posts are about.
It's that I don't have unlimited time and people were super mad.
I'm thinking about some other things too, but I'm not ready to post.
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Well pretty much I don't really know if the 24% is such a useful number.
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On November 01 2018 03:00 Conversion wrote:
was kitaman the one that said just keep electing one dude until facist policy happens?
why was that a bad idea again
Election tracker and we can't just elect the same dude in two consecutive elections, it's a rule.
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On November 01 2018 08:14 kitaman27 wrote:
We should elect rayn as much as possible then. :D :D :D
brutal
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On November 01 2018 08:23 Grackaroni wrote:
So the next three people up are me, then conversion, then Kitaman.
If I'm not getting sent I'm ok with Conversion, but I think he's pretty unlikely to be approved because of his attitude this game.
don't you sort of wanna hear who he's planning to chancelorize first?
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No wait a second.
Assuming that krogan told the truth about the cards, what are the odds of grack getting 1 or less liberal policies?
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I think it's acceptable if we already discarded 1L and 2F.
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Phoneposting.
If krogan and rayn told the truth we have 5L9F in the deck.
P(0L3F) = 23
P(1L2F) = 49
P(2L1F) = 24
P(3L0F) = 2
I don't have much confidence in the (which was part of why I voted yes to Logan/rayn) but I super want to get elected.
Grack is voting against his own government, I don't get it. He chose it. If town, he has 26 chance to force liberal policy and 49 to force either liberal policy or split between me and him. That split will give a lot of info to town because I think that we both are sort of grey in town opinion.
Not wanting to elect yourself is just avoiding reasonability, "don't look at me, I didn't do anything!". I don't like it at all. I still think you should elect me though because scum Grack can't really do much without giving up a lot. I think it's super worth it.
Sorry for shitty phoneposting. #VotePRPLHZ2018.
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On November 03 2018 00:27 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2018 00:20 prplhz wrote:
Grack is voting against his own government, I don't get it. He chose it. Do you think that's alignment indicative at all? If anything, it makes me feel slightly better about grack, since as facist he would probably be fine with the status quo.
I don't understand. How is downvoting a government not preserving status quo?
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On November 03 2018 00:41 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2018 00:28 Conversion wrote:On November 03 2018 00:26 kitaman27 wrote:
I think it's scummy that Conversion was cool with passing grack and prpl through, yet when I asked him to justify a prpl read, he admits he hasn't really looked at him. Do you disagree with my reasoning that I want information, which is the primary reason I want to enact this government? I disagree because literally any two players will give us information, considering only krogan and rayn have been elected and they can't be chosen. Doesn't it make more sense to get information AND vote for two players that have the best chance of passing a liberal policy? Now that you've read through prpl, does that change your mind about the vote? Show nested quote +On November 03 2018 00:28 Conversion wrote:
Does that make prplhz scummy as well? I think you made a solid point about prpl being "not ready to post.", which doesn't really make sense if you have something important to say unless you're laying a trap, which doesn't seem like prpl's style. I'm still pretty conflicted about whether I'm going to vote yes or no on this one.
Any two players will give you information, but not the same amount of information.
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On November 03 2018 03:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If this government gets passed you can elect me/hk, conversion.
Prplhz any reads? Why is grack scum?
Uh, I think he started the whole mess about me and kita but then he sort of slipped out of it and just stood on the sidelines.
He made a post about probabilities that I sort of disagreed with and looked like he was just spreading chaos.
His posting style has some sort of straight forwardsness to it that I associate with townies so that's good.
I don't like how he's treating this election this though, voting no to himself, but you should still elect me.
I don't have a ton of reads, I kind of like krogan but that's it. I'm equally uncertain about you and kita, Conversion seems to actively attempt to lose this game, I don't know if Rels always acts like this? Like he doesn't player D1 and then he doesn't really play D2 and then he complains on D3 or something. byj sort of slipped under the radar with me but kita pointed out some meta about him and tons of people play like this as town.
I was uncertain about Grackaroni and Conversion (which was part of the reason I voted for krogan and you) but I thought I'd figure out kita a bit better before long so I might be able to vote for his government but that's not really happening.
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On November 03 2018 05:50 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2018 09:57 prplhz wrote:On October 31 2018 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:Meh i am going to try be more clear, sorry, explaining shit is not my strong suit. So purplehaze, this is what bothers me: - You have taken part to discussion of how governments should be elected and imo come to conclusion that we should elect townie people. - After the above has happened, you ask "Is it a good idea to make the chancellor someone who is easy to read?" - When krogan asks you "why do you ask that?", you answer: It's that things stay more simple if we can trust the first governments. It's actually I thought, let's just elect kita but he's super hard to read I think, so he can mess things up early and we can't trust anything that's going on later because we don't know if he lied about policies or not. The last quote doesn't make any sense unless you were, at the time of when you asked "Is it a good idea to make the chancellor someone who is easy to read?", thinking of electing kitaman, but both your answer (in the last quote), and how you took part to the discussion earlier disagrees with that. No, I wasn't thinking about electing kita when I asked that question. Before I asked that question I was thinking about electing kita but then I changed my mind and made a post about what had changed my mind (how readability and townyness ). Then I thought that it was a good idea to elect townie people (and not necessarily super scum hunters), and I wrote it in the thread, in the form of a question because then maybe someone will answer and maybe we can talk about something.I don't think anybody in the thread had clearly expressed the thought that townyness is important, and skill/dependability irrelevant up until that point. But maybe nobody had found that necessary to point out, because nobody had had the same thought process as me which was 1) elect kita/random! (nothing matters) 2) maybe do like mayor elections (or how i pretty much every game in that I sheep a lot)? (skill and townyness matter) 3) no, the only things that matter are readbility/townyness (townyness matters, skill is irrelevant) Regardless of the kita thing, which I still think is suspicious, the bolded screams of "I am scum and I need an easy subject to talk about".
are you seriously going to open up this dumb this again
and not even quoting the original post, but the post where i explained the original post. you're not posting the post where i said something but the post where i said that i said something.
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On November 03 2018 05:53 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2018 04:48 prplhz wrote:On November 03 2018 03:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If this government gets passed you can elect me/hk, conversion.
Prplhz any reads? Why is grack scum? Uh, I think he started the whole mess about me and kita but then he sort of slipped out of it and just stood on the sidelines. He made a post about probabilities that I sort of disagreed with and looked like he was just spreading chaos. His posting style has some sort of straight forwardsness to it that I associate with townies so that's good. I don't like how he's treating this election this though, voting no to himself, but you should still elect me. I don't have a ton of reads, I kind of like krogan but that's it. I'm equally uncertain about you and kita, Conversion seems to actively attempt to lose this game, I don't know if Rels always acts like this? Like he doesn't player D1 and then he doesn't really play D2 and then he complains on D3 or something. byj sort of slipped under the radar with me but kita pointed out some meta about him and tons of people play like this as town. I was uncertain about Grackaroni and Conversion (which was part of the reason I voted for krogan and you) but I thought I'd figure out kita a bit better before long so I might be able to vote for his government but that's not really happening. So. You think Grack is scum, but you still want your duo to pass ? That makes no sense to me. You should be thinking that he's setting you up for failure with what you're writing.
no, i don't really know what grack is. i don't get the "setting me up" thing but it doesn't worry me either.
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On November 03 2018 05:59 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2018 05:57 prplhz wrote:On November 03 2018 05:50 Rels wrote:On October 31 2018 09:57 prplhz wrote:On October 31 2018 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:Meh i am going to try be more clear, sorry, explaining shit is not my strong suit. So purplehaze, this is what bothers me: - You have taken part to discussion of how governments should be elected and imo come to conclusion that we should elect townie people. - After the above has happened, you ask "Is it a good idea to make the chancellor someone who is easy to read?" - When krogan asks you "why do you ask that?", you answer: It's that things stay more simple if we can trust the first governments. It's actually I thought, let's just elect kita but he's super hard to read I think, so he can mess things up early and we can't trust anything that's going on later because we don't know if he lied about policies or not. The last quote doesn't make any sense unless you were, at the time of when you asked "Is it a good idea to make the chancellor someone who is easy to read?", thinking of electing kitaman, but both your answer (in the last quote), and how you took part to the discussion earlier disagrees with that. No, I wasn't thinking about electing kita when I asked that question. Before I asked that question I was thinking about electing kita but then I changed my mind and made a post about what had changed my mind (how readability and townyness ). Then I thought that it was a good idea to elect townie people (and not necessarily super scum hunters), and I wrote it in the thread, in the form of a question because then maybe someone will answer and maybe we can talk about something.I don't think anybody in the thread had clearly expressed the thought that townyness is important, and skill/dependability irrelevant up until that point. But maybe nobody had found that necessary to point out, because nobody had had the same thought process as me which was 1) elect kita/random! (nothing matters) 2) maybe do like mayor elections (or how i pretty much every game in that I sheep a lot)? (skill and townyness matter) 3) no, the only things that matter are readbility/townyness (townyness matters, skill is irrelevant) Regardless of the kita thing, which I still think is suspicious, the bolded screams of "I am scum and I need an easy subject to talk about". are you seriously going to open up this dumb this again and not even quoting the original post, but the post where i explained the original post. you're not posting the post where i said something but the post where i said that i said something. so ? Does that change anything ?
yea, it seems very unserious if you think something is scummy the second time you read it but not the first time.
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On November 03 2018 05:58 Rels wrote:
prp's filter is so scummy it's unbelievable.
- easy to talk about subjects (townie people should be elected, talk about number of cards, etc.)
- this stuff with kita that makes no sense at the beginning
- thinking Grack is scum, but still wanting Grack / him to be elected, even though in that case he himself says he only has 26% chance to get liberal passing
show me where i say we only have a 26% chance of passing a liberal policy
tell me how to achieve a considerably higher probability of passing a liberal policy in some other manner
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On November 03 2018 06:06 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2018 06:05 prplhz wrote:On November 03 2018 05:58 Rels wrote:
prp's filter is so scummy it's unbelievable.
- easy to talk about subjects (townie people should be elected, talk about number of cards, etc.)
- this stuff with kita that makes no sense at the beginning
- thinking Grack is scum, but still wanting Grack / him to be elected, even though in that case he himself says he only has 26% chance to get liberal passing show me where i say we only have a 26% chance of passing a liberal policy tell me how to achieve a considerably higher probability of passing a liberal policy in some other manner Show nested quote +On November 03 2018 00:20 prplhz wrote:
Phoneposting.
If krogan and rayn told the truth we have 5L9F in the deck.
P(0L3F) = 23
P(1L2F) = 49
P(2L1F) = 24
P(3L0F) = 2
I don't have much confidence in the (which was part of why I voted yes to Logan/rayn) but I super want to get elected.
Grack is voting against his own government, I don't get it. He chose it. If town, he has 26 chance to force liberal policy and 49 to force either liberal policy or split between me and him. That split will give a lot of info to town because I think that we both are sort of grey in town opinion.
Not wanting to elect yourself is just avoiding reasonability, "don't look at me, I didn't do anything!". I don't like it at all. I still think you should elect me though because scum Grack can't really do much without giving up a lot. I think it's super worth it.
Sorry for shitty phoneposting. #VotePRPLHZ2018. If Grack is scum and you're town he has 26% chance to be forced to have a liberal policy
If Grack is town we have a 23% chance to be forced to pass a fascist policy. The odds are never going to be super great. And he doesn't get to just pass me 2F unpunished.
But I sort of get what you're saying, it's more difficult for you to say yes to this because you have some more doubts about me and you don't get the same information from the election that I will get.
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On November 03 2018 06:11 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2018 06:04 prplhz wrote:On November 03 2018 05:59 Rels wrote:On November 03 2018 05:57 prplhz wrote:On November 03 2018 05:50 Rels wrote:On October 31 2018 09:57 prplhz wrote:On October 31 2018 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:Meh i am going to try be more clear, sorry, explaining shit is not my strong suit. So purplehaze, this is what bothers me: - You have taken part to discussion of how governments should be elected and imo come to conclusion that we should elect townie people. - After the above has happened, you ask "Is it a good idea to make the chancellor someone who is easy to read?" - When krogan asks you "why do you ask that?", you answer: It's that things stay more simple if we can trust the first governments. It's actually I thought, let's just elect kita but he's super hard to read I think, so he can mess things up early and we can't trust anything that's going on later because we don't know if he lied about policies or not. The last quote doesn't make any sense unless you were, at the time of when you asked "Is it a good idea to make the chancellor someone who is easy to read?", thinking of electing kitaman, but both your answer (in the last quote), and how you took part to the discussion earlier disagrees with that. No, I wasn't thinking about electing kita when I asked that question. Before I asked that question I was thinking about electing kita but then I changed my mind and made a post about what had changed my mind (how readability and townyness ). Then I thought that it was a good idea to elect townie people (and not necessarily super scum hunters), and I wrote it in the thread, in the form of a question because then maybe someone will answer and maybe we can talk about something.I don't think anybody in the thread had clearly expressed the thought that townyness is important, and skill/dependability irrelevant up until that point. But maybe nobody had found that necessary to point out, because nobody had had the same thought process as me which was 1) elect kita/random! (nothing matters) 2) maybe do like mayor elections (or how i pretty much every game in that I sheep a lot)? (skill and townyness matter) 3) no, the only things that matter are readbility/townyness (townyness matters, skill is irrelevant) Regardless of the kita thing, which I still think is suspicious, the bolded screams of "I am scum and I need an easy subject to talk about". are you seriously going to open up this dumb this again and not even quoting the original post, but the post where i explained the original post. you're not posting the post where i said something but the post where i said that i said something. so ? Does that change anything ? yea, it seems very unserious if you think something is scummy the second time you read it but not the first time. But I thought it was scummy the first time I read it. I think it's literally my first post. Second on actually. Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 22:15 Rels wrote:On October 30 2018 09:06 prplhz wrote:
Is it a good idea to make the chancellor someone who is easy to read? As opposed to what ? Hard to read ? What's the benefit of that ?
Oh. Alright.
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On November 03 2018 06:09 Rels wrote:That actually doesn't ease my concerns at all. ALmost everything there is at charge against Grack, apart from that line about forwardness. That doesn"'t match your claimed "neutral" read of him. Show nested quote +On November 03 2018 00:20 prplhz wrote:
Phoneposting.
If krogan and rayn told the truth we have 5L9F in the deck.
P(0L3F) = 23
P(1L2F) = 49
P(2L1F) = 24
P(3L0F) = 2
I don't have much confidence in the (which was part of why I voted yes to Logan/rayn) but I super want to get elected.
Grack is voting against his own government, I don't get it. He chose it. If town, he has 26 chance to force liberal policy and 49 to force either liberal policy or split between me and him. That split will give a lot of info to town because I think that we both are sort of grey in town opinion.
Not wanting to elect yourself is just avoiding reasonability, "don't look at me, I didn't do anything!". I don't like it at all. I still think you should elect me though because scum Grack can't really do much without giving up a lot. I think it's super worth it.
Sorry for shitty phoneposting. #VotePRPLHZ2018. Show nested quote +On November 03 2018 04:48 prplhz wrote:On November 03 2018 03:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If this government gets passed you can elect me/hk, conversion.
Prplhz any reads? Why is grack scum? Uh, I think he started the whole mess about me and kita but then he sort of slipped out of it and just stood on the sidelines. He made a post about probabilities that I sort of disagreed with and looked like he was just spreading chaos. His posting style has some sort of straight forwardsness to it that I associate with townies so that's good. I don't like how he's treating this election this though, voting no to himself, but you should still elect me. I don't have a ton of reads, I kind of like krogan but that's it. I'm equally uncertain about you and kita, Conversion seems to actively attempt to lose this game, I don't know if Rels always acts like this? Like he doesn't player D1 and then he doesn't really play D2 and then he complains on D3 or something. byj sort of slipped under the radar with me but kita pointed out some meta about him and tons of people play like this as town. I was uncertain about Grackaroni and Conversion (which was part of the reason I voted for krogan and you) but I thought I'd figure out kita a bit better before long so I might be able to vote for his government but that's not really happening.
i don't have a strong read of grack, or anybody really, maybe it's slightly scum but i kinda just want to get elected. i don't think it's all that likely nor disastrous if grack passes me 2F.
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On November 03 2018 06:13 happykrogan wrote:
I may change my vote to no.
prplhz listening stuff why Grack is scummy after he got elected at chancellor seems like setting up a 1v1 after a scum policy gets enacted.
Just realized that.
i listed stuff because rayn asked me to
i don't think scum benefit from doing 1v1 in their first election
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