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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
October 31 2018 21:38 GMT
#253
On November 01 2018 05:32 byj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2018 05:00 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 01 2018 04:46 byj wrote:
On November 01 2018 00:32 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 01 2018 00:12 Conversion wrote:
On October 31 2018 10:01 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 31 2018 10:00 Conversion wrote:
On October 31 2018 09:59 prplhz wrote:
On October 31 2018 09:42 Conversion wrote:
not really considering ur in it tbh. should have paid attention

Because you didn't know he was in it or because you had forgotten it?


I didn't look and thought we could have a nice game but forgot who he was.

I voted no pass to this anyways, see you all in 21 hours

Why did you vote no?


Because the most chaotic way to play is to just topdeck after reaching 3 failed elections, and I will vote no to any government including myself being president


lol Conversion is so crazy that he's probably not Hitler.

Trying to hint at you knowing who Hitler is?


Is that honestly what you think my intention was?

It seems so out of place, so yes.


I was simply pointing out that I don't think a Hilter would so openly push a policy like that.

By the way, anyone getting a bunch of timeouts with the site? tlzomg -_-
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
October 31 2018 21:39 GMT
#254
Facist could make sense on the other hand, since it's rather anti-town.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
October 31 2018 23:14 GMT
#264
We should elect rayn as much as possible then. :D :D :D
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 01 2018 01:19 GMT
#275
Fine by me.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 01 2018 03:03 GMT
#289
I'm not really a big fan of Rels. He down voted the first pair after wanting more time for discussion, but hasn't contributed anything meaningful himself.

That being said, none of the alternatives inspire a ton of confidence. I'd ask you to reconsider me, but that's your call.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 01 2018 14:37 GMT
#303
This would be my ranking of trustworthiness at the moment.

happykrogan
raynpelikoneet
byj
prplhz
Grackaroni
Conversion
Rels

I have krogan slightly higher than rayn because I think the president slot has more wiggle room to send a double F through and get away with it, but I'm not entirely concerned about either. I'm always paranoid about playing games with rayn since I can't ever think of a situation where it worked out well when I trusted him, but even with the few things that I've disagreed with him so far, there don't seem to be inconsistencies in the logic. byj is kinda weird because it doesn't seem like he really cares about how he looks, which I think typically points to liberal. I had the same initial feeling about Conversion, but then I didn't like his explanation about the fail plan and he's got this sarcastic attitude with some of his posts that feel a bit manufactured. prpl is in the same boat as byj as someone who hasn't really said much, but I'd say prpl is worse because he's putting in slightly more effort to show he cares with a few random questions that don't really lead anywhere and a couple of wishy washy posts. I've already spoken about Rels about why I think he's a baddie. Grack I've gone back and forth on. On one hand, he didn't really seem invested in getting elected D1 and even if I he's wrong about his suspicion of me, I can see a viewpoint where a townie thinks that, but on the other hand, I didn't like his early game posting about prpl and picking Rels or conversion seems like the easiest path to rig the deck as president and then pass blame to your scummy looking choice. It does seem unlikely that grack would want to pair himself with another facist early on in the game however so I probably need to do some adjusting of my bottom three, either by moving grack up or replacing conversion/rels with someone else.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 01 2018 15:10 GMT
#305
On November 01 2018 23:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Please explain hiw does grack pass blame to someone who got FF to choose from?


It would be a LFF, he removes the L and then claims a LF pass for a 50/50 scenario with a fascist pass. I suppose he would have an alternative option of claiming he received FFF in that case.

On November 01 2018 23:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also how does that make any sense at all since in your world grack has now given two possible choices as his chancellor, both of which are his scumbuddies?


I specifically said that I don't think they would be scum buddies in that scenario. That list would be my current level of trust, but I highly doubt that the bottom 3 are correct.

On November 01 2018 23:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Bbasically you are saying that grack is scum because he wants to elect a low-hanging fruit to pass blame on, but both of those low-hanging fruits are also scum...


He would be picking a liberal player that the majority of the game thinks is facist in that case, hence an easy way to pass the blame.

What's your order at this point?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 01 2018 15:57 GMT
#308
On November 02 2018 00:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well you kinda answered that in the end but idk why you wrote that in the first place when you say yourself it doesnt make sense.


I think facist grack + liberal Rels or facist grack + liberal Conversion could make sense, but isn't as likely as liberal grack + facist rels or liberal grack + facist Conversion. I guess it's a moot point, since I would fail a group with rels or conversion regardless of gracks involvement.

I could maybe get behind grack and prpl. I'd have to think a bit more about that. What makes you put bjy on the same level as Rels? I think Rels has actually has a scummy post with the more time stuff, as opposed to bjy whose only post is calling me out for trying to connect to Hilter, which is totally wrong, but not inherently scummy imo.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 01 2018 17:53 GMT
#311
Yeah, if he is a liberal he definitely needs to step it up activity wise because we're going to need to elect a suspect looking player at some point simply due to the term limits and it's unlikely a government with him would pass at his current rate.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 01 2018 18:08 GMT
#314
What makes you say Rels is in your top two town then?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 01 2018 18:20 GMT
#316
On November 02 2018 03:11 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2018 03:08 kitaman27 wrote:
What makes you say Rels is in your top two town then?

He's not he's only my second choice atm over you/byj/prplhz


Is this the post you were referring to regarding why you liked Rels?

On October 31 2018 06:27 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2018 06:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 31 2018 05:32 Rels wrote:
I like hk and grack thought process about finding Hitler. Would prefer one of them as chancellor if we had to choose right now

What do you mean? Can you elaborate more?

Grack one is he one where he says prp could be scum and kita Hitler.


If that's the case, is Rel's thought process even consistent? From the way I read your filter, you don't actually think scum prpl was trying to contact me.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 01 2018 18:29 GMT
#320
Awww I'm totally going to buddy the heck out of you the next time I get a chance as scum <3
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 01 2018 18:35 GMT
#323
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I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 01 2018 18:36 GMT
#324
On November 02 2018 03:35 Grackaroni wrote:
I changed my selection to Prplhz.


Because you think he has a better chance than not to be town or because you think it's the only thing that would pass and you want to see something get passed this cycle?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 02 2018 12:41 GMT
#335
On November 02 2018 20:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why would you ever try to get your scumbuddy into a team with you as grack here?? It doesnt make any sense so logic says conversion cant be mafia with grackaroni. Yet kitaman doesnt aknowledge this at all.


On November 01 2018 23:37 kitaman27 wrote:
It does seem unlikely that grack would want to pair himself with another facist early on in the game however so I probably need to do some adjusting of my bottom three, either by moving grack up or replacing conversion/rels with someone else.


Did you even read the post?

I specifically DO acknowledge this.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 02 2018 14:07 GMT
#340
What's your opinion of prpl? I don't see him mentioned in your filter. Since you failed the pair yesterday, but are willing to pass today's team, does that mean that your original policy is no longer necessary?

If you're voting yes today and you're on board with selecting rayn or krogan next cycle, does that mean you think the facist team is myself/Rels/byj?

I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 02 2018 14:08 GMT
#341
That was directed at conversion.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 02 2018 14:21 GMT
#344
On November 02 2018 23:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I aisi have absolutely zero idea how anyone could ever think byj is even remotely townie, so that read of yours sounds like bs. Unless you have some extremely through meta-analysis.


I went by his single game in the database:
https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/533201-elementary-mafia?user=byj

Dude had a bunch of 1 liners, didn't really care how he looked, and ended up getting mislynched as town. I definitely don't feel good about having him in my top 4, but I think he looks slightly better than prpl at the moment and is more of an afk than having done anything inherently scummy so far.

I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 02 2018 14:34 GMT
#346
On November 02 2018 23:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2018 23:37 kitaman27 wrote:
[....]picking Rels or conversion seems like the easiest path to rig the deck as president and then pass blame to your scummy looking choice. It does seem unlikely that grack would want to pair himself with another facist early on in the game however so I probably need to do some adjusting of my bottom three, either by moving grack up or replacing conversion/rels with someone else.

No you dont. You group Rels/Conversion both into the same category and dont come to any conclusion. Thats different from what i said.

You do the same thing in one of your later posts too.


I think the difference is that your argument is that grack with Rels/Conversion cannot make sense in mind, where as mine was that I'd update the list if that scenario where grack pairs himself with one of those players became reality. He threw it out there for a little bit, but settled on prpl eventually, which I don't think is enough to disregard the possibility completely.

Do you think there is a strong enough argument to completely eliminate the possibility of grack + Rels or grack + conversion at the moment? I don't think so.

Overall though, I think my trust ratings are better suited as tiers.
tier 1: krogan/rayn (myself)
tier 2: byj/prl/grack
tier 3: conversion/rels
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 02 2018 14:49 GMT
#355
On November 02 2018 23:38 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2018 23:07 kitaman27 wrote:
What's your opinion of prpl? I don't see him mentioned in your filter. Since you failed the pair yesterday, but are willing to pass today's team, does that mean that your original policy is no longer necessary?

If you're voting yes today and you're on board with selecting rayn or krogan next cycle, does that mean you think the facist team is myself/Rels/byj?



Show nested quote +
On November 01 2018 00:38 Conversion wrote:
In all seriousness, I like to always pass the first go, in any similar game like mafia when possible, to reveal where votes went and talk about that to get more information and give me one more round to work with, since drawing a random card as a policy isn't the worst thing ever, neither is adding one to the election tracker early on.

Whether that's optimal or not, I'm not quite sure but I do like doing it. Considering we can get RNG'd and get a F/F/F draw (unless this is impossible, someone correct me please if it is), I don't see why we're in any rush to elect this particular government.


I'm not actually going to just be anti-liberal for the sake of it. I think enacting governments is a good way to get information, especially if we are up one right now and have a guaranteed +1 liberal policy barring any unlucky draws, or if one or both of krogan/rayn played us and passed a liberal card, in which case we won't be incredibly behind and it'll give us a look into getting more information as liberals.

In terms of who's the most liberal in my eyes (as in, I'd elect them Chancellor), it'd be rayn = krogan > everyone else, even if I'm salty about krogan doing nothing but calling me a liar just from how government 1 went.


Fair enough. Do you have any opinion of prpl specifically?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
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