Well it really doesn't matter anymore what Qatol says in terms of "i need to wait". I was kinda hoping you wouldnt have made that post HF in case youre town as i was kinda hoping Qatol would have used the "i voted Kaley first" as an asnwer to your question if he's mafia. But you kinda blew it there...

Why did you decide to vote for Qatol? Instead of Serge? Did you think you would really gather momentum to lynch Qatol over Kaly (who you read as town -- aka you are trying to, or should be, save them)? At least Kelsier would have possibly followed you onto your other scumread. Who did you think will vote for Qatol at that point?

raynpelikoneet

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September 09 2018 10:43 GMT

#216

I am also a bit baffled about your "such strong" townread on Kaley because there was literally no reason to townread them, which also makes me baffled on your comment "maybe the fact that Kaley could be town?" because that's just simply an unreasonable statement in a game where 1/3 of the players are just afk and another 1/3 is basically playing with idgaf attitude.

raynpelikoneet

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September 09 2018 10:45 GMT

#217

Koshi has your stance on Vivax changed after whole D1?

raynpelikoneet

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September 09 2018 11:17 GMT

#219

That's why i said "such strong", i didn't mean you had a strong townread, i meant you shouldn't have one at all.

raynpelikoneet

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September 09 2018 11:20 GMT

#222

Kaley literally did something that is anti-town, proceeded to call people who called out anti-town behavior mafia, and proceeded to do nothing after ever when asked for a REAL reasoning.

Those actions should never be a townread for anyone.

raynpelikoneet

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September 09 2018 11:21 GMT

#223

On September 08 2018 21:30 Holyflare wrote:
I am town though. I don't think Kaley is mafia purely because they are just fighting back at Rayn being a dick. Sergio's posts look scummy because they are finding reasons out of nothing. Irrationally angry at me making one post that said nothing and laying out all the "options" seem feigned.

Will try and post more.

I do not know what is this if it is not a townread.

raynpelikoneet

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September 09 2018 11:21 GMT

#224

For the record i didn't start being a dick, so you also got that all wrong too.

raynpelikoneet

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September 09 2018 11:42 GMT

#230

I agree i was, i am not saying i wasn't. But i also know what i read and i didn't start it. But that's not my point and it is irrelevant. What is relevant is this:

You are saying this:

I don't think Kaley is mafia purely because they are just fighting back at Rayn being a dick

When you made this comment i can only assume it is a townread unless:
1) Someone had called Kaley mafia because of him being a dick to me (which imo never happened)
2) Since the above never happened, you think this is a reason for Kaley to be town (it outweighs the reasons for him being mafia).

Since you now claim this is not a case, why did you decide to defend your null read based on an argument noone ever made, and you yourself don't think makes him town?

raynpelikoneet

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September 09 2018 11:47 GMT

#231

And once again, if i was to policy lynch Kaley i would have voted for him earlier. I respectfully asked him to play properly, i tried to read his posts, i tried to analyse them, i figured he never said shit aside from his spacegoat reads and i scumread him for that.

I don't know why people are trying to paint my vote as a policy lynch because it is quite clear that's not what happened, i even made multiple posts explaining why i scumread him. Even before my vote.

raynpelikoneet

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September 09 2018 11:54 GMT

#233

On September 09 2018 20:51 Vivax wrote:
Kaley wasn't the worst of lynches considering that his raps would have remained his only contributions for the rest of the game. But I'm wary of anyone who tried to argue that the above wasn't the only reason.

I am not sure what you are trying to say here. Very easy argument to make since he flipped town, and idgaf how vary you will be of me for the rest of the game because if you are not saying what i was just above then i disagree with you.

raynpelikoneet

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September 09 2018 13:07 GMT

#235

I "concede" i would have probably tried to lynch Kaley regardless of what he said if he kept acting like he did. But you are wrong, that's not why i decided to keep my vote on him, fully, it was because i actually thought he is mafia.

What i am saying is yes, i would prolly try to policy lynch him either way but in the end a policy is NOT why i voted for him, so i think you are being a bit unreasonable here. As i think i was being quite clear why i actually scumread him, like:

On September 08 2018 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
People who make "funny posts" too often get a pass just because they make funny posts. But like Qatol pointed out, what did Kaley actually say?

On September 08 2018 01:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well she just went for "i do anti-town things and when i am called out those people are the ones i call scum" -strategy. lol

Ftr she still hasnt said anything, except for the above.

On September 08 2018 11:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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I assume there is something there, like idk.. explain it to me because your rhymes are fucking shit and also not plaing mafia.

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yes?

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where?

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I love giving the green red shitheads a hard time if you wanna go into politics but here the lezzy can tell me what is my baseless argument?

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yes <3

in case you are not reading properly this is me pointing out that all kaley did in his "scumread" on me was using fancy words that are "mafia-esque" like strawman, self-made meta, baseless arguments, which dont mean anything unless you put a body behind the accusation, which, once again he never did.

the problem for me is noone in the game aside from me andf Qatol managed to give any sort of real read on Kaley, basically everyone just said "he can be whatever" which is really dumb especially when he flipped town, since i have to now figure out why you, HF, Kelsier, Koshi, Rels and Serge (in a way) decided to do what they did. well not Koshi because i think there is no way he is mafia, but tbh i am not sure at all on any of the others. If Qatol is mafia his Kaley i read i think is not why he is mafia, Kaley gave an easy out for any scummer active to act like they did D1, and if i am completely honest almost all of you i pointed out look worse than Qatol does in terms on reading Kaley.

That being said i am interested in what Qatol has to say regarding what HF posted.

raynpelikoneet

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September 09 2018 14:58 GMT

#240

On September 09 2018 23:22 Holyflare wrote:

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About three people called Kaley mafia because they were posting in rhymes and being specifically antagonistic towards you. It's the entire basis for Qatol's scum read even.

Can you show me which posts you are referring to? Also can you elaborate on how is that Qatol's scum read because i do not think that is and it to me seems quite clear it isn't the reason why he is or was scumreading Kaley.

I have said everything i have to say about Qatol so far.

raynpelikoneet

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September 09 2018 14:59 GMT

#241

Oh Kelsier, sorry, idk i dont know what you are looking for. I think your scumread on Serge is based on stuff that doesn't necessarily make anyone mafia (especially a player who is playing their first game here) and while i can somehow underrstand how you make that read i have no idea how Kelsier "jumps on board" like that having no mention of Serge in his filter earlier.