[M]Chill Hop Mafia

On June 26 2018 08:05 Tictock wrote:
Well nothing to do but pretend like I am working and play this instead.

What up peeps

On June 26 2018 08:09 Tictock wrote:
Meh, don't see the point when that is literally everyone but us atm.

Ask me again in an hour...

Actually n/m, pointless voting is pointless. I'll prob find some actual work to do.

On June 26 2018 08:14 Tictock wrote:
On second thought, lets vote Regfan, purely for having an obscene prepared post, that I will prob never read.

On June 26 2018 09:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Actually i am more interested in "this is" instead of "this would be", because this clearly isn't unless they are mafia.

On June 26 2018 10:29 CopCake wrote:
Tbh i was about to say ticktock seemed townie lol same with conversion.

I have problems with the big post, from regfan and how people reacted to it. I read it (well skimmed) and I was like “Literally that is fake for the little time”, seemed more of a dumb post/meme thing if everything.

On June 26 2018 11:34 Mocsta wrote:
i dont understand how it leads to anything.
If rayn calls you town, as either alignment, you will walk away feeling good about yaself.
If rayn calls yo mafia, as either alignment, you will walk away with a sense of OMGUS.

Dead question.

Having said that, I do share suspicion towards Holyflare.
Not enough to lean scum, but enough to pay extra attention to new content.

Whether you agreed or not, at least to me, superfically, the Tictock stuff is fine.
On the otherhand, whilst the strikethrough is more likely to be mafia than town in origin, its not conclusive and I find to be overly hammed up by HF.

My expectation for a town!HF is for him to do his own campaigning. If he does this, even if its against me. I shall call him town. We will have to wait and see.

On June 26 2018 13:03 Regfan wrote:
@Copcake - Information about your playstyle just helps me put together a better picture of what sort of player you are, what to expect from you, what I should be worried if I see otherwise, it's profile building so to speak to aid me reading you. I was hoping for more information in terms of who you'd shoot (Largely after the 'why' more than the 'who') but you'd mentioned that it was 'too early to ask' and figured that's fair enough, would wait until later and then re-ask/ask if your mind had changed.

Don't have much of a read on HF, dislike his reasoning behind his TT scum read and the over-focus on TT in their following posts but don't think it's an implausible read for a townie to have there, more interested in their thoughts on the game when they re-enter the thread.

Heading out for a but, will be without access of a computer for a solid chunk of the next 24 hours but hoping to be able to read bits and pieces on my phone if my girlfriend allows me to.

- R

On June 26 2018 18:06 Holyflare wrote:


What an utterly redundant post.

I still think tt is mafia. I can't explain it to you other than the phrasing he is using seems overly wordy for the little points he is making which I don't usually feel like from tt.

On June 26 2018 18:15 Holyflare wrote:


I actually really hate this bolded part. Like enough to drop everything and vote Mocsta.

Maybe.

On June 26 2018 18:42 Mocsta wrote:
then do it.

And at least have the courtesy to explain why it is so scum indicative

On June 26 2018 19:08 CopCake wrote:
HF’s case on ticktock was super bad

“He stroke some phrase”

He also never answered me, when I asked to explain me his case, probably one of the stupid questions I made m

On June 26 2018 21:19 Mocsta wrote:
hf

Reading this agaib.. i can sorta see tixtock writing the strike as a joke. Realising its stupid so writes the next part but decides to strike as he personally thinks ita funny

On June 26 2018 22:38 Calix wrote:


Do you have any other reads? You're bringing up TT a lot to try and explain what's essentially a tone read but without really pushing it, adding new reasons, looking at the bigger picture, etc, so I am curious.

On June 26 2018 22:46 Holyflare wrote:


I think you're scummy and Vivax too since he created more discussion about the "pointless post" and made absolutely no conclusions on it.

Regfan towny, mocsta looks not bad like last game, rayn also not bad. Cop I will never read anything other than confusing.

Conversion is meh but I don't hate what he's said.

No idea who else is in the game really so my reads are super weak.

On June 26 2018 22:49 Calix wrote:


Why am I scummy exactly?

I agree Vivax's post is bad.

And how so re: Conversion?

On June 26 2018 23:29 Vivax wrote:


How is his post redundant? Seems more like you see the words scum and HF too close by each other but say it's redundant to cover up that that's the real reason.

On June 26 2018 22:40 Vivax wrote:


scummy post

On June 26 2018 22:41 Vivax wrote:
ie thinking about perception of own alignment

##vote Copcake

On June 26 2018 14:59 Mocsta wrote:
Following a re-read:

(1) I was perhaps a touch OMGUS towards Regfan. I dont think this is the best place for a vote so ##Unvote

(2) i don't have a strong opinion on game state. If anything, the activity and content has been really good.
- Things like HF read fine to me.
- Rayn play so far, is highly reminiscent of the game just finished. If i had to call one player town, it would be Rayn.

(3) Things I am uncertain of with low care factor
- Conversion: purely a heuristic where after such a long self-ban. I thought he would be itching to do more than just throw some randoms hit around.
- Tictock: because whilst I liked the later posts, it is still not reminding me of the last game I played with him where I vividly remember him as this guy that is all about "accuracy" and his "own logical model". In fairness, the environment of the game state is somewhat different, so im still battling whether this is alignment indicative or not.

(4) Things I am uncertain of with moderate care factor (Calix + CopCake).
- Calix: for the reasons already expressed in the thread. Which will be easy to prove/disprove once active.
- CopCake: has some early exchanges that on a second read I took as pocketing. I need to think about this more, but is just giving me some vibes of things that I personally try to do when mafia.

(5) I still think Regfan are focused heavily on things that I don't think are important to scum hunting; and definitely are giving a different weighting to things early game than myself. But this doesn't make them mafia. I am struggling with reading the hydra pairing somewhat as I find them DRASTICALLY different. Even if they were mafia, I would rather lynch them as the second or third because of that uncertainty.

On June 26 2018 23:48 CopCake wrote:
I dont think I have been confusing at all this game so quit that bullshit to have a null read on me HF. If I was so confusing people like TT or Mocca wouldnt have followed my process of thinking.

I dont know if there is a seer or not, I read the rules and it said there is like a cop and a roleblocker as much depending of the set up. But Alas, I took regfan’s silly post as that, silly because I dont think someone “smart” would do that and expect to be taken seriously, it was obvious a meme post lr some shit. (Which was already verified that is a copy pasta by regfan)

Either way, I think that is easy to deduce and no one should have felt offended like rayn and I think HF did.

Regfan’s first post is NOT town or mafia indicative.

Now I am gonna post for ##Calix

Reasons later but the principal is how calix came out of nowhere to build a case.

What was the post that made you think I was mafia and made you take the effort to filter me Calix? 🤭

On June 27 2018 00:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:

ugggghhhhhhhhhhh........ this is annoying.
this is probably the only post i can see mocsta making as mafia.

On June 27 2018 00:18 Calix wrote:


No. I didn't hate some of CopCake's later posts and her tone's gotten better.

On June 27 2018 00:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:

It is not about Mocsta, it's because i was starting to think you are town and now i don't know. Where ever does Holyflare completely discard a post where a person says "i am gonna lay off from my scumread" and then end the post with "this is still basically my top scumread"?

On June 27 2018 00:22 Vivax wrote:
I remember vividly HF complaining in a chat we had that the new player batch tended to say "x is scummy y is townie" without explaining why.

Yet now he does it himself and everyone around him as well. I explain pretty much every reason for a post being scummy or townie, as simple as the reasons may be.

Basically none of you seem to give a shit about the though process behind my posts. You just call them scummy or townie as it suits your needs.

On June 27 2018 00:31 Vivax wrote:


You vote me after I criticize your post so there is no apparent reason for you to SR me except ditto?

On June 27 2018 00:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I like it?
Why don't you?
Why do you like him saying he isn't sure but still hasn't got anything better to offer?

Once again, this isn't about Mocsta for me. You call him mafia every game regardless of his affiliation for the stuff he says that is irrational or "irrational". Why are you so agreeable now?

On June 27 2018 00:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Wait HF can you be more specific how you perceive that specific post of Mocsta's

On June 27 2018 00:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:

The problem is he "acknowledges his points are bad " but then calls Regfan "most likely mafia" once again for the same points.

On June 27 2018 02:07 Conversion wrote:
I don't think either Vivax or Calix is mafia for all that's worth at this very exact moment in the game. Or if they was one, it'd be a 1/1 split. No way mafiateam Vivax and Calix randomly jump on Copcake like that.. no reward medium risk play.

Rereading rayn/reg makes me solidified in not wanting to lynch them today. Rayn is probably town, reg I get a weird feeling from filter.. like they post a lot and bring a good logical standpoint on things but can't remember anything memorable coming from it? Hence why I wanted some other inputs, but doubt regfan should ever be lynched today, I suppose.

Gun to my head, my lynch pool would be HF > Shock > Koshi, but things will change.. will dive Tictock some time later since lunch break is over

On June 27 2018 02:08 Conversion wrote:
also I don't like Tictock's continuous mention of how he is unlynchable this game. rubs me the wrong way

On June 27 2018 03:23 Tictock wrote:


Expand on this plz.

Most of his posts are arbitrarily saying to lynch you.

On June 27 2018 06:40 ShoCkeyy wrote:
meta doesn't exist in mafia forums imo, ive seen holyflare play some wild games, and have been on teams with him where he single handily fooled the entire town into lynching themselves for the win non stop. meta is a ridiculous excuse to label some one town.

On June 27 2018 19:49 Regfan wrote:
-> Went over HFs ISO a few times in the last hour, actually have a very strong town read on the dude, I disagree/dislike his reasoning for scum reading TT initially (I've made and crossed out posts before as town so I don't think it's ever really a scum tell) but I can see it as something he'd easily believe to be the case in the early game. The read progressing to it being a meta sort of problem with TT is something I can also sort of buy, regardless of the accuracy of it or not I think comments like his #397 are the sort of ones that scum normally refrain from making since it tends to actually cause enemies/lead towards an OMGUS from the person they're accusing. Probably won't explain this well but I don't think HF/TT are scum together here (Isn't entirely impossible like some of the other not W/W pairings I have but I think it's only the case a very very small % of the time) and I think Scum!HF saying this towards Town!TT is something he'd feel very awkward from actually doing, particularly given he's not even really voting or pushing TT.

I disagree with his analysis on Moscsta re; Mosctas "If HF does this he's town" comment but I can very much follow his thought process there and think his own turn around on Moscta in #286 and #324 read very town. I find his reads/thoughts/analysis very easy to follow and understand in posts like #255 and #261 and pretty much all up can see him actually trying to work towards gamesolving inside his posts, his pushes, votes and reads all ring very genuine. Would consider him my second strongest town read after Moscta at the moment.

- R

On June 27 2018 22:07 Vivax wrote:
After reading a bit of TT I will have to agree that there is a scummy stink to his posts.

I think he jumps on things purely for looking blatantly inconstructive which is easy bait for mafia.

And I'd want to get this unlynchable business out sooner rather than later as that's the only reason I didn't take a bit of a look at him until now.

On June 27 2018 23:44 Vivax wrote:
I didn't call regfan mafia for pretty much the same reasons you didn't Koshi. At the same time it isn't a tsunami of words a la noobking.

Don't think Calix is mafia here but I will always lynch that if the majority thinks that so no point thinking too much about he alignment.

HF is purely a wild guess.

I think shockey is onto something with TT tho, nothing to do with his unlynchable shit for me though.

On June 28 2018 00:38 Regfan wrote:
Alright, well, I'm pretty sure voting Vivax is the only way to keep Calix alive, so, moving there I guess. Kind of hate how everyone has been tunneled on Calix and not done any real evaluation of other lynches.

-G

On June 28 2018 00:54 Regfan wrote:

Koshi moved there. I was very comfortable lynching Vivax until then.

-G

On June 28 2018 01:33 Holyflare wrote:
Why have you got to downgrade rayn to a town null when I scum read you tt? That's exactly my mental read on rayn after that post.

On June 28 2018 01:05 Regfan wrote:

Discord.

And no, I really can't be bothered. I'm too tired and worn out by this shitty game. You can read our filter if you want to know what our reads are, our chats are just those in short form. If you can't already tell that we're town then getting a paraphrase of our talks together isn't going to help you.

-G

On June 28 2018 01:36 Tictock wrote:


Ugh why are you such background noise, you are just tagging on vague thoughts and opinions here and there.

Maybe Vivax is actually the town hero here for suggesting a HF/Rayn team.

I know your play has been lessened as of late but I know HF can do better than this given time constraints.

On June 28 2018 01:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Shockeyy dumbtold him as town.
Holyflare, regfan is not mafia i can say it wirh 100% confidence.

On June 28 2018 01:54 Calix wrote:


I'm not a god-tier mafia player though, lol. I don't know how TT has that impression of me.

I don't want to lynch TT and don't like how that might become an alternative to myself + Show Spoiler + when there aren't any compelling reasons to kill him from what I remember. What I mean is that I've seen a lot of anti-TT posts but I can't actually remember many of them and the ones I can remember weren't convincing.

If one of the people scum-reading him wants to explain why he's mafia or make an actual case instead of unremarkable one-liners then I'll try hearing you out. But right now, no way.

On June 28 2018 01:58 Regfan wrote:

Because it's fucking toxic, rayn made Regfan hate the game when he's trying to get back into mafia and find time to enjoy it again, I love Regfan and you have no idea how much that horseshit fucking pisses me off it's actually unbelievable how insensitive rayn and his girlfriend have been towards Reg. Not to mention half the players have just been insulting us for our playstyle. So yeah it's a shitty game.

On June 28 2018 01:58 Conversion wrote:
Tictock’s unlynchable bit bothered me and then he chooses to completely ignore the fact that I wasn’t trying to actually policy you and make up some crap about how I perceive you when playing together, and pins that as why I pushed you for the greater half of day1, which is just a flat out lie. I don’t see the reason for town anyone to misrepresent something I clarified about and then disseminate false information. It wasn’t even a mistake of misreading my filter, it was pulled out of thin air.

On June 28 2018 02:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:

No, i fucking hate shitheads.

On June 28 2018 02:07 Regfan wrote:

If quoting timestamps weren't illegal, then I would be more than happy to just c/p for you. We have been playing like hydra and I don't get your insistence that we haven't. We disagree on ONE read, which is TT. What are you even talking about? Literally all of the reads I've talked about over the past few hours have either been things that we've talked about together, or things that Reg has given me charge over or asked me to talk about.

-G

On June 28 2018 02:08 CopCake wrote:


..........

On June 28 2018 02:14 Holyflare wrote:


I actually have to second this post because I just read through cop's filter to make sure and she has done absolutely nothing to regfan so the appeal to emotion meter is ever increasing.

On June 28 2018 02:18 Calix wrote:
I really don't think responding to these emotional posts by calling people scummy for them does anything but make that person more annoyed. So let's not do that!

Perhaps we should just...move on? Ignore it? Decide on who a good lynch is?

Because THIS IS A REALLY BAD TIME TO BE TALKING ABOUT FEE-FEES.

Is there a good reason I've missed for Vivax being town, for example? I know TT thinks he's town for 'posting in bursts which mafia!Vivax struggles with' but I'm not so sure there. I'm a bit skeptical myself because Vivax's posts on Mocsta didn't actually suck.

I'd also switch to ShoCkeyy. Nobody's given a good reason for town-reading him and his 'dumb tell' does not mean anything IMO. I think his weirdly confident stance on TT/ Calix with little evidence, combined with his generally mediocre filter, makes him a way better lynch than TT or myself.

On June 28 2018 02:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holyflare, the hydra is not mafia.
Calix is though.
Make your pick.

On June 28 2018 01:59 Holyflare wrote:


I could lynch you for this post to be honest. Not only do you exclaim to not even know who is up for lynch (it's TT and yourself) but then you full on defend TT for absolutely no reason when you don't even know if he has votes or the reason for lynching him.

You then provide no alternative.

On June 28 2018 02:27 Calix wrote:


Oh really? I've just followed my TT post up with two lynch alternatives plus discussion that's moving AWAY from this emotion stuff.

Which you are completely ignoring to call me mafia for a post that is not mafia at all.

On June 28 2018 02:31 Calix wrote:


Have you SEEN the vote thread? There's about 36396705 votes after the last vote count.

Sorry I didn't take the time to meticulously plot out who's voting where and how many votes XYZ has but it doesn't make me scum. It's not even remotely close to a reason to call me scum.

On June 28 2018 02:34 Calix wrote:


If there's only one vote between a TT and Vivax lynch like you say there is (I wouldn't know) then how is that 'no impending threat' exactly when thread sentiment is against TT still?

And you're basically arguing that I went in, KNOWING who was the lynch...and then pretended I didn't? For no reason? Knowing that someone could call me out?

Have you considered that maybe I just DIDN'T know and it wasn't part of a master plan?

And I am trying to get people to focus on my other scum-reads so saying I haven't provided an alternative is objectively false.

This push is really weak, HF ngl.

On June 28 2018 02:04 ShoCkeyy wrote:


Not until you answer my question.

On June 28 2018 04:21 Tictock wrote:


I'm not sure what you mean to gain from this.

We've got tons of content from both of them, and well as some synergized list stuff.

This feels like a question to ask just kus you think it sounds good.

On June 28 2018 04:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:

who me or tt?
youre wrong on both.

On June 28 2018 04:23 Holyflare wrote:


I literally do not care what you think I can't gain from this. If they post it what harm is there in it to confirm themselves? I think their posts don't necessarily make them town and in fact I have several qualms about their content so what's the problem with them easing my mind about their alignment?

On June 28 2018 04:30 ShoCkeyy wrote:


I did respond, conversion ruined it for me instantly. It was an obvious attempt, and rayn and conversion saw it based on my last game with them as town

On June 28 2018 04:46 Tictock wrote:


? Why does the timing matter, I said in that post I was moving my vote to you.

I'm going to stop responding to posts after this kus people keep asking stuff I've already stated, so clearly what I'm writing is not being read.

You've basically just given a couple reasons to scum read me, talked about me and Calix being scum together, and not discussed anything else. Your reasons for scum reading me are pretty flimsy in my mind yet you are just content in repeating them and not doing anything else.

I am also thinking HF and Rayn could be scum atm too kus they just have these extremely narrow views with no signs of reevaluating anything. Also I find it odd they have been so passive towards each other.

On June 28 2018 05:19 Calix wrote:


With all due respect, your royal highness, this defense is weak as fuck and doesn't really disprove what TT said.

In no world does a one-liner with no reasoning count as a credible level of focus on a player.

On June 28 2018 05:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
holyflare.
i am like 80% sure calix is mafia.
how sure you are in that tt is mafia?

On June 28 2018 05:28 Calix wrote:
It's true you've changed your opinion on people on several occasions, yes.

To move onto a more general question: Do you have any scum reads at all? I'm not sure if that was intended as a pseudo-reads post or saying where your head's at. But if it was then saying "I have doubts" doesn't count as a scum read IMO.

On June 28 2018 05:48 Vivax wrote:
Copcop feels slightly townie after reread if I add a spanish accent to her wording so I guess the guys who are scum besides schockey are mocmoc and raynrayn. I'm sort of feeling good about HF as I don't believe he's just going to stay on boxer. I can't get rid of the feeling he's just sort of derping around tho.

On June 28 2018 06:18 Conversion wrote:
Also HF if you're serious about lynching a completely random inactive AFKer, which I am 99% sure you are not, I will vote to lynch you with fire.

On June 28 2018 06:47 ShoCkeyy wrote:
If you look at Calix filter, it says my name in about 90% of the post, and "lynch" along with it, this person is more scummy than scum. Ever since I called them out, it's been like this, I don't think a normal town would do that. HF how would you feel if I parked my vote on Cilax since they're being overly aggressive at this point?

On June 28 2018 05:00 Holyflare wrote:


What did you expect mafia to reply with?

On June 28 2018 07:00 Calix wrote:


But you think Shockeyy is mafia?

On June 28 2018 07:04 Calix wrote:


Why are you just trolling like this?

On June 28 2018 07:05 Holyflare wrote:


Who am I trolling? I don't think any of the current wagons are mafia.

On June 28 2018 07:06 Calix wrote:


So what is stopping you from voting for the 'maybe one' then?

On June 28 2018 07:10 Tictock wrote:


HF you have played with me a bunch of times yet act like you have no idea how I play.

I get that it's not a method you like or that makes me especially readable, but it is how I like to approach the game.

In your own words, Deal with it. Luckily for you, you wont have to for very long.

On June 28 2018 07:17 Mocsta wrote:
no. why would i know

this is where i was @ last night

On June 28 2018 07:23 Holyflare wrote:
Bf is freeeeee

No replacements. If you can't be bothered to log onto TL and post once within 48 hours then don't sign up.

On June 28 2018 07:32 Calix wrote:


You don't actually know that since you're not the one hosting, lol.

On June 28 2018 07:37 Tubesock wrote:

Day 1 Vote Count

---

Tictock[4]:Holyflare, Vivax, Conversion, Holyflare, ShoCkeyy, raynpelikoneet, CopCake
ShoCkeyy[2]:Regfan Vivax, Tictock, Calix,Mocsta, Koshi
Calix[1]:raynpelikoneet,Mocsta,CopCake, Koshi, raynpelikoneet
boxerfred[2]:boxerfred, Holyflare
Holyflare[0]:Conversion Calix
Regfan[0]:Mocsta,Tictock
Koshi[1]:Vivax, Mocsta
TheSlenderMan[1]:TheSlenderMan
CopCake[0]:Vivax, Calix
Vivax[1]:Holyflare,Calix, Regfan
raynpelikoneet [1]:Tictock


Tictock is currently the lynch.

The deadline is Wednesday, Jun 27 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in .

PM us if you see a mistake.

On June 28 2018 07:42 Calix wrote:
It's pretty frustrating to yell at the thread for most of the day only for TT to get lynched anyway -_-

On June 28 2018 07:43 Regfan wrote:
Just woke up, more than 20 pages behind and need to be getting ready for work but know deadline is very very soon.

Votecount has changed drastically since when I went to bed.

Can someone make a two line post on why it's mostly moved away from Vivax etc and who I should vote/why please.

- R

On June 28 2018 07:47 Conversion wrote:
I am back. I didn't read shit, but TT isn't even voting to save himself? Lol.

We should lynch Holyflare for randomly switching to boxerfred

On June 28 2018 07:49 Mocsta wrote:
Just so you know... if BoxerFred is scum, you dont get town points

like, a scum could easily try to ride cred for an afk scum lynch lol!

On June 28 2018 07:49 CopCake wrote:


Literally considering to vote you after this

You read a shit ton of posts on 5 minutes and all your mafia reads are town now?

On June 28 2018 07:50 Regfan wrote:


Going to try and read Shockey now, in a weird spot where I don't think Shocky/Vivax are partners and have a ~decent~ strength scum read on Vivax here so blah, especially since I've got a message from Gemma saying if I wake up and there's a chance to lynch TT I should since she thinks he's mafia. God fucking damn it.

Also never worth lynching BF & TSM here, if they're town, we learn nothing, if they're scum, we still learn almost nothing given there'll be no interaction analysis to do. Leave them to the mod, deal with them tomorrow if they're not modkilled.

- R

On June 28 2018 07:51 Conversion wrote:
I think we have a good shot of lynching HF. Me+ Vivax + Calix, TT if he joins in.

Choo choo?

On June 28 2018 07:52 Mocsta wrote:
really? surprised from you

theres not that much to filter dive? and its been much more than 5 minutes

I am really surprised HF you share this opinion.

On June 28 2018 07:52 Regfan wrote:
Anyone up for a CFD on Vivax here?

- R

On June 28 2018 07:53 Conversion wrote:


Because you randomly try to divert a lynch onto an AFKer who is irrelevant?

also if this is a no modkill game I'm just AFKing until end game

On June 28 2018 07:56 Mocsta wrote:
Do you recall my play as deep and analytical..

I am a reaction player, always have been.

why woudl you even try to uphold me to standards of those players.. like, this is beyond stupid HF.

On June 28 2018 07:58 Mocsta wrote:
my vote is on boxerfred dipshit

On June 28 2018 08:17 Regfan wrote:
Dumbest fucking lynch I've ever seen and completely done with this game, particularly since a bunch of people on it are my stronger town reads and one being someone I devoted a fair bit of time actually trying to save.

Maybe Gemma will feel otherwise and keep playing or ideally we just die tonight but consider me done.

-R

On June 28 2018 08:32 CopCake wrote:


I have explained he gave a 180 change of heart out of nowhere for calix when he was suspecting her HARD.

You do NOT do that out of nowhere.

On June 28 2018 08:38 Regfan wrote:
HF, Cake, Rayn, Moscta and Calix are still all town, if you fuckwits can learn to come and work together this games still winnable.

Hunt inside Vivax, Shockey, TT, GSM, Conversion and Koshi.

TT did vote to save himself and at :59, timing that makes more sense for mafia to do it where there's minimal time for people to react to the vote and 5he way the EOD played out there's some worlds that he fits inside of as mafia, Vivax-TT is 100% a world people need to entertain and look inside of tomorrow.

There's probably only ever 1 in Shockey/Vivax which is why Shockeys flip would have helped immensely but if you hit scum in these two would suggest moving the other to the side for a bit.

Vivax / TT + 1 of Koshi/TSM sort of fits a few things.

Okay you've got my thoughts albeit I've missed a lot of content from pages 30 to 50, now can feel better about leaving and never coming back to this game again.

Oh and everyone that actually voted Boxer can go fuck themselves.

Outtahere

-R

On June 28 2018 08:41 CopCake wrote:


This guy here is town for noticing TT saving himself

Where is your god now HF?

On June 28 2018 08:38 Regfan wrote:
HF, Cake, Rayn, Moscta and Calix are still all town, if you fuckwits can learn to come and work together this games still winnable.

Hunt inside Vivax, Shockey, TT, GSM, Conversion and Koshi.

TT did vote to save himself and at :59, timing that makes more sense for mafia to do it where there's minimal time for people to react to the vote and 5he way the EOD played out there's some worlds that he fits inside of as mafia, Vivax-TT is 100% a world people need to entertain and look inside of tomorrow.

There's probably only ever 1 in Shockey/Vivax which is why Shockeys flip would have helped immensely but if you hit scum in these two would suggest moving the other to the side for a bit.

Vivax / TT + 1 of Koshi/TSM sort of fits a few things.

Okay you've got my thoughts albeit I've missed a lot of content from pages 30 to 50, now can feel better about leaving and never coming back to this game again.

Oh and everyone that actually voted Boxer can go fuck themselves.

Outtahere

-R

On June 28 2018 08:56 Conversion wrote:
shoot me if you have to. somehow people have become more of a drama queen than I have and that's just boring. I'm just going to go play some shit game like DotA if I want to be surrounded by people giving up 10% of the way in the game

On June 28 2018 08:59 Holyflare wrote:


I think you're legit.

On June 28 2018 09:11 CopCake wrote:
I want to point out something, and I hope someone smart, educated and with patience will read.

- I got told that TT was extremely frustrated and that is why he called me sheep sheep rayn hubby, that he was trying to do everything to save himself.

- Then he is all “I am sorry cake I will peace out I am sorry

- Calix did everything to save him, HF was like if TT dies he deserves it because he is not switching votes

- Then BF is rip, get told that TT is town for not voting himself by HF

- Regfan then comes and says that TT voted for someone else to vote himself, which the whole case of HF doesnt work anymore

- HF calls regfan mafia for this and says TT would not know if he saved himself. He voted at the last minute, 59 seconds before end of the day, a whole minute, please he was lurking forever doing nothing

Rip in peppers but no one will listen to me if anyone find tjis super odd

On June 28 2018 01:50 Regfan wrote:
I'm going to bed. Regfan will hopefully be up before deadline to check in quickly and move our vote if it needs moving. Please don't lynch Calix.

Just quickly, the main thing I mentioned to Regfan re: TT when he asked me to sell him on that scumread was the way that his scumreads progressed, his worlds started to become noticeably incongruent around the time he started backing off Calix. I also don't really like the way he's been catching up recently, making more personal type appeal posts to people that don't actually have anything to do with his reads or solving the game. He's probably my strongest scumread even if I don't want to lynch him today (for reasons I already went over). Would really like to see more from him and be able to interact with him real-time some to solidify my read there.

We both think the way Vivax treated TT in #539 was slimy, he's the kind of player that I know I will be able to get a solid read on at some point in the game based on some reaction from him or something impulsive he does in the moment somewhere, and there are certain things from him tonally that make me shy away from super scumreading him, but he hasn't done anything to make me really want to pull him out of the lynch pool today. I only weakly scumread him and feel meh about lynching him but he's not a bad lynch.

Shock's thread entrance was really icky and I dislike the things that he has been focusing on. I don't think his meta self-defense means anything for his alignment and I don't really like the way he's been making big-ish posts at the end of the dayphase here but not really interacting with anyone about reads or show me that he's actively solving the game in a meaningful way. Feel mildly annoyed that people don't want to lynch him but I don't feel strongly enough about killing him to force the issue.

Koshi just hasn't done anything except sheep rayn and when I think there's a pretty high chance of at least 1 mafia in the inactives I can find exactly 0 reasons not to lynch him other than how little information it will give us.

Lynch preference is Shock>Koshi>Vivax, would vote in Conversion/TT to secure a lynch that isn't Calix.

-G

On June 28 2018 09:16 CopCake wrote:
Nah, I am gonna ask to get mod killed or replaced.

I think I am on my right since I got insulted several times during this game and I took everything cold hearted but this is just enough.

Not smart talk, just a bunch of hyenas screaming with no content.

On June 28 2018 09:22 Tictock wrote:


I'm going to note that Conversion's swap only occurred when Boxer was already the lynch, and his swap made no difference.

Had he switched his vote off me sooner Shokey would have very likely been the lynch.

This suggests a high likelyhood of them being on a team imo.

Worth noting that this was Conversion's most relevant post regarding Shokey prior to this.



Which is kinda just a convoluted null read via meta... or a meta read with no conclusion which is kinda worse.

On June 28 2018 09:34 Tictock wrote:


If you guys had been discussing Shokey a lot earlier when I was on him that could have been avoided, but I had to work and couldn't be around all of EoD.

I moved my vote when it actually seemed like it mattered and when I was able to.

On June 28 2018 09:37 Tictock wrote:


You can read them without this crap, this is the same as pestering a smurf until they tell you who they are. I get that the info feels like it could be helpful to you, but acting like it is vital is stupid.

On June 28 2018 09:46 Tictock wrote:


I am always willing to go down voting a wagon I believe in than save my own skin.

Why should I want to keep playing in a game where people are just gunna shit on whatever you do anyways? I get lynched, "Oh he played so bad it was his own fault" I stay alive "Oh he barely tried to save himself, if he had we coulda actually lynched mafia"

On June 28 2018 09:56 Tictock wrote:


Probably crying to himself in a pit for what his creation is doing.

God I am so wanting to call you mafia for how obstinate you are being but there can't be this many mafia...

On June 28 2018 10:05 Tictock wrote:


Wish I could petition to reinstate your self-enforced ban.

I never gave up, I voted who I thought was mafia (unlike you who swapped off your mafia read for no reason), and I have a life outside this game so wan't around every second of EoD.

Why are you so confused about people being toxic towards you when this is how you talk to/about people?

On June 28 2018 11:38 Regfan wrote:
As done as I am with this game and site, I actually find the idea of any of you talking about our alignment while we flake unbearable, so, here's a modkill:

Gemma - Yesterday at 9:01 PM
yeah
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/534607-chill-hop-mafia?page=20#381
Regfan - Yesterday at 9:01 PM
not sure how up to date you are
on the thread
Gemma - Yesterday at 9:01 PM
i don't get how mafia can talk that way
Regfan - Yesterday at 9:01 PM
but i've dumped a LOT of analysis lately
Gemma - Yesterday at 9:01 PM
in that situation
ok
i'm at page 22 or so
Regfan - Yesterday at 9:01 PM
ah, page 25 is
me walling
nonstop
Gemma - Yesterday at 9:02 PM
goodie
Regfan - Yesterday at 9:02 PM
really like that calix post
that you linked
also feel free to correct me if you disagree
but i kind of feel like this second half of d1
has felt even more dead than the first half
and i can easily see that being the case if it's cake/calix
walling each other and scum reading each other and they're t/t here
and scum just standing back
Gemma - Yesterday at 9:04 PM
i mean
i think tt is mafia
and pulled back on scumreading calix at at point where it looked like he was going to be lynched
so yes i think that's the world we're in
Regfan - Yesterday at 9:04 PM
i need to
talk with rayn in real time badly
if he's town here he's likely to decide the lynch
he's got koshi and cake as his 2nd & 3rd voters imo
Gemma - Yesterday at 9:05 PM
yeah
we need to talk to mocsta too
Regfan - Yesterday at 9:07 PM
hum
Gemma - Yesterday at 9:07 PM
he's reading calix for a lot of stuff that doesn't mean anything
Regfan - Yesterday at 9:07 PM
oh, yeah
i'm planning on
dropping a post on calix/cake as a duo-post
and then doing a separate post re; rayns & moscatos cases on calix
is next on my list
after that i've just got a rayn post/vivax post and to talk with you and i'm fully up to date
Gemma - Yesterday at 9:10 PM
ok
i'm not sure if i'm doing well enough to post anything
but i'll try
Regfan - Yesterday at 9:12 PM
np just try and catch up
and read my posts
i'm happy to be the one making the posts in the thread (i have the night free)
but want you to be up to date with where my heads at
so we can have a proper convo
Gemma - Yesterday at 9:19 PM
i'm caught up
Regfan - Yesterday at 9:20 PM
agree HF is VERY town?
i went over calix, dude is obvtown imo
Gemma - Yesterday at 9:21 PM
yes
how confident are you on calix?
Regfan - Yesterday at 9:22 PM
mocsta>hf=calix
huge gap, everyone else
Gemma - Yesterday at 9:23 PM
so let's save him?
Regfan - Yesterday at 9:23 PM
yeah, i'm going over cakes case on him atm
Gemma - Yesterday at 9:23 PM
k
Regfan - Yesterday at 9:23 PM
let me focus on that part?
and you focus on who we're actually lynching

-G

Mocsta, get out of here, you're too nice for this site. Calix, I really like you, you remind me of a good friend of mine from the site where I normally play, you should also never play here again. I really think you're dead wrong on TT. Never ever ever ever ever lynch like that again, please.

On June 28 2018 18:08 Mocsta wrote:
Thats a shame.

My main doubt of rayn is why he got so annoyed with regfan being" town."

Could be as simple as twas mafia setting up to get his friend lynched and couldnt make the move anymore because he is now meant to know regfan is town

Like its a real oddity for me to get past

On June 29 2018 00:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
P.S. If i for some reason die this night Holyflare is mafia. There is simply never any reason to kill me unless Holyflare is mafia. There is simply no reason to kill me even after i say this because you probably won't believe it anyways. But it is still true. Holyflare (well basically almost everyone else too) is bad with night kills, i am not.

On June 29 2018 00:15 ShoCkeyy wrote:


Why's that? You voted off one townie, why go for the second?

On June 29 2018 00:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Well you thought i would ever shoot Superbia last game, i gave a list of 5 people who would. Three of them were mafia.

On June 29 2018 00:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:

That was the second most terrible night kill analysis i have ever seen in my life, Rels takes spot #1.

On June 29 2018 00:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:


yeah you probably just mean different things with words than other people do.

On June 29 2018 00:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like "rayn switched his vote from his top scumread Calix who he has been campaining as lynch for all day onto his townread TT for no reason".

Best argument 2018.