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On June 28 2018 02:26 Conversion wrote:@Calix you can just CTRL+F Shock here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/528031-heroes-of-the-storm-mafia?user=Conversion&view=allbut I aggregated some things. I think I just put him on a low-key read but don't dwell on because I tried way too hard to read into him in the aforementioned game and was just straight up wrong. + Show Spoiler +On November 01 2017 11:32 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2017 11:27 happykrogan wrote:On November 01 2017 11:24 happykrogan wrote:On November 01 2017 11:10 Conversion wrote:On November 01 2017 11:09 happykrogan wrote:On November 01 2017 10:55 Tictock wrote:And I'm caught up. I dislike Shokey calling out people who haven't posted yet this early in the game. Also people should talk about this: What do you make of HF voting Damer, the pressuring you for also thinking Damer might be mafia? HF wasn't pressuring conv for thinking damer might be mafia. He pressured him because of the reasons he gave for disliking him weren't good. and you haven't followed up with anything, either. What's your opinion on the thread so far? Am I scummy for acting similarly to my last game? What about Shockey? Is he clear lynch bait, or is he mafia? What's your opinion on the interactions between me, rux, and HF? What's your opinion on TicTock's string of posts, and the conclusion he comes from it? true Well I think your reasoning for disliking damerion seemed pretty forced. Like if you had to think of something because you got asked. To the other things: If I don't say anything about other things it usally means I have no opinon on them. I'm newbie so it is still hard for me to figure out how I interpret posts and I prefer to wait until more is said before I give hasty reads I change anyways. So yes you are scummy. Fair. Hope that changes over the course of the game, b/c I'm not scum but I can see where you're coming from I guess. Show nested quote +On November 01 2017 07:44 ShoCkeyy wrote:
lol at this early game posting. Is this the new meta? To just claim something and then hope no one notices you lied? I don't really like this entrance, and I don't really like his last post of "let's just wait for AFKers to come in." you shouldn't be sitting around twiddling your thumbs and waiting for people to not be AFK. it's awful behavior, and there was more than enough content to push some buttons/ask questions and agendas no bueno On November 01 2017 11:41 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2017 11:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:I mean the game just started, there is nothing to really post about other than Conversion getting triggered about being "grilled"... I also posted the list because I mentioned it's too early to even try to vote because these "list" haven't posted yet. I haven't really played with any of you other than Holy, Damred, Vivax, and what may be Oatsmaster (but I don't recall). So I'm still just poking around and seeing what comes out of what. I don't mind taking the fall for now until some one slips, cause it's what I usually do. So far those who are "suspicious" of me, one of them have a good chance at being scum  I just pointed your entrance out b/c it's like Tictock randomly de-towning me in his list for not seeing obvious joke posts.. except you applied that to a broader audience instead of just me. Seemed like a lazy, forced comment about a bunch of fluff that came out within the first hour of the game On November 02 2017 01:14 Conversion wrote:
I'm voting ShoCkeyy until he stops dodging me for whatever reason. On November 02 2017 07:03 Conversion wrote:
someone explain to me why shockey is bad town instead of scum for his leaps in logic and deflecting shit back onto me because I'm not seeing it and he should be lynched because he is scum On November 02 2017 07:34 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2017 07:23 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I chose to dodge it, so there's my reason. I don't need to deal with you anymore but you insist, I've caught you messing up with your own posts, I've already proven that my reading comprehension isn't off, and you're easily triggered. I rather deal with others at this point.
And you're not being any help. Brb my sun here. you’re not dealing with anyone. you come up when someone mentions you then disappear again your behavior is 100% clear as day scum. try harder On November 03 2017 06:30 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 06:28 Vivax wrote:
Well my vote stands and I explained why I'm not going to vote TT.
I'm not feeling a Ruxxar lynch either atm.
Shockey is simply the best lynch and I'm not going to do anything besides pointing to today's arguments and voting him for the rest of the game.
As I said, lynch shockey or feed. I mirror this part 1000%
I took the liberty of reading Shockeyy's filter that game and I don't agree he's playing the same way.
The excessive confidence in his reads is not present in that Heroes filter.
He actually has some reasons for town-reading people that AREN'T pre-flips.
He's less arrogant, for lack of a better word.
Actually seems to be having fun in that game.
There are some aspects that are similar, like 'baiting' people, making questionable arguments against players and flippantly throwing out pre-flip associations like confetti, but overall I think this filter actually gives evidence AGAINST him being town.
I acknowledge I may be confirmation-biasing myself here but I think the point about how he's excessively overdoing his confidence in his reads holds.
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On June 28 2018 02:55 Vivax wrote:
Calix do you have a reason for still sring shockey besides that he's done even less shit than you have (your own words)?
Yes, I think he is far too confident in his reads compared to the evidence he's given for those reads.
I find this scummy because it shows he's fabricating the reasoning. Townies have a natural level of confidence in their reads compared to the evidence because they don't know alignments and thus their confidence flows naturally from the evidence they find and are shown. Mafia have to feign this confidence since they already know the answers and sometimes they mess up by being too cocky about a read that isn't that great, or showing doubts over a scum read that they should find irrefutably scummy, etc.
I'm accusing him of forcing this excessive confidence about TT/ Calix despite the evidence leaving a lot of doubt over TT/ Calix actually being the mafia team.
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On June 27 2018 22:17 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 22:08 Calix wrote:On June 27 2018 22:04 ShoCkeyy wrote:Vivax, why can't it not be something they do? If he claims he can't die, there's only two reasons, he's a role, or he's mafia. There's a 50/50 chance, and if he doesn't die tonight, does that increase the likely hood he is mafia? So let me put it in easier terms, math. If there is three mafia shots, three town will die at night + the mislynch leaving us in a really bad spot for tomorrow. If there is two mafia shots, we're still in a bad spot for this next lynch and the following lynch after will really be the game breaker. If there is one mafia shot, we have three cycles to play. If he's already claiming something, then I rather take it as mafia who has a solid chance of surviving all three cycles if he's "unlynchable". On June 27 2018 21:47 Calix wrote:
Another bad post, eh? ^^
Since when did you very conveniently and opportunistically decide to scum-read me, may I ask? And for what reason?
That paragraph about AFKs being more likely town and rambling about the game starting date is filler.
Your town-read on Vivax is based on a very flimsy pre-flip association which will crumple like a house of cards. Do you have any substantial reason to town-read this guy? My town read is because Vivax town read you early into the game, and you've only been trying to get him lynched, which is even odder to me since it's both you and Tictock pushing for Vivax without any dialogue happening between you too. Huh? Mafia can't shoot multiple people in a night. I don't see how trying to lynch someone who TOWN-READS me is scummy since that means I'm trying to vote off someone who isn't going to vote for me...at a time when I'm being discussed as a lynch candidate. In no world does that make me mafia. TT is American iirc, I'm from the UK. We're not usually on at the same time ^^ How do you know they can't shoot multiple times? it doesn't say it in the rules, it just says this: Option A - 1 blue role , 9 vanilla town, 3 vanilla mafia Option B - 2 blue role , 8 vanilla town, 1 mafia roleblocker, 2 vanilla mafia Either two vanilla, or three vanilla, and from the Role PM, it seems like all three can shoot. You probably didn't check because it will be handed to you through mafia QT... along where you and Tictock maybe conversing even though you're on "different" time zones.
Take this post for example. Compared to the evidence he's given for a TT/ Calix team (which nobody finds persuasive), he's so ridiculously over the top in how he treats me like I'm outed scum.
Compare this to how CopCake, Mocsta, raynpelikoneet, etc, treat me. They don't do this try-hard 'taunting' nor do they twist perfectly NAI things (like me saying TT and I have different time zones) into something scummy.
He even puts quote marks around "different" time zones which implies he thinks I'm lying about that, lmao.
It just looks so forced and unnatural.
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On June 28 2018 03:15 Conversion wrote:
Tictock why aren't you talking with me
Shockeyy why do you scumread TT over Calix
He thinks we're on a "mafia team" lmao. Please check his filter for his reasoning if you want a laugh.
In the meantime I'm voting Shockeyy. You should do the same ^^
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On June 28 2018 03:19 Conversion wrote:
Let me reword that-- Shockeyy why do you want to lynch Tictock OVER Calix regardless if bother are scum or not? I feel like the general vibe that I felt from you was that Calix was your read
Probably because he wants to solidify the extremely obvious TvT wagons forming:
Calix [4]: rayn, Mocsta, CopCake, Koshi
Tictock [4]: Vivax, Conversion, HF, ShoCkeyy
Shockeyy [2]: Tictock, Calix
Vivax [1]: Regfan
Not voting [2]: SlenderMan, Boxerfred
As a side note, looks like I'm still hosting even when I'm playing.
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On June 28 2018 03:23 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I already said it earlier, he said he's "unlynchable" if he's claiming, then there's a 50/50 chance he's either other. I like those chances better, and if he flips mafia, then Cilax defense of him is pretty clear.
You seriously think there's two mafia wagons as the main lynch options with two of the mafia sitting on you?
You're not even SLIGHTLY doubtful that your reads might be wrong there?
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On June 28 2018 03:37 Vivax wrote:
I'd say we reward you with a lynch for TMI after we're done with the two
Huh?
If you have no real preference then vote for ShoCkeyy ^^
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On June 28 2018 03:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 03:25 Calix wrote:On June 28 2018 03:23 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I already said it earlier, he said he's "unlynchable" if he's claiming, then there's a 50/50 chance he's either other. I like those chances better, and if he flips mafia, then Cilax defense of him is pretty clear. You seriously think there's two mafia wagons as the main lynch options with two of the mafia sitting on you? You're not even SLIGHTLY doubtful that your reads might be wrong there? One or the other is wrong yea, but that's the point of the game right? I'm guessing based on your posting abilities no? Right now, I personally think both of you are mafia, is that wrong of me? I don't get why it's wrong... I just think Tictock is more mafia than you only due to the early claim. I rather stick to my 50/50.
So you say that 'one or the other is wrong' (TvS) but then say you 'personally think both of us are mafia' (SvS) in the same breath?
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On June 28 2018 03:51 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I just think if he flips town, my read on you changes. But personally right now, you two to me seem the scummiest, and it's evident to others.
Your read on me changes to what? Clarification would be appreciated.
Why do you always talk about what other people think as if this somehow strengthens your argument? Why do their opinions matter so much to you?
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On June 28 2018 03:56 ShoCkeyy wrote:
It's not obvious? I'm also basing my decisions based off others opinions... rayn and mocsta both had some valid arguments against you, can that not alter my decision making process? If I'm wrong on tictock, I go back and question my thought process following my read on you changes. Either for worse or for better who the fuck knows. It just depends on what other random questions you can think of that has an obvious answer to.
"I'm shamelessly following thread sentiment and have absolutely no new opinions or points to add onto what Rayn/ Mocsta have said like a townie actually would do."
Translated that for ya.
So you're still calling me mafia no matter what TT flips then, judging by that snarky last line? I'll make it real clear what I'm asking now: Do I become townier or scummier if TT is town? You won't waffle your way out of answering that question, sweetheart.
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On June 28 2018 03:58 Holyflare wrote:I say we lynch boxerfred
Ewwwwwww.
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On June 28 2018 04:02 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Depends on here till then, we still have three hours, and I you're grilling me for voting Tictock which is even odder.
Nice dodge of the question.
How is it "odd" (not scummy, eh?) that I'm questioning your TT vote and reasoning? What exactly do you expect me to do? lol
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On June 28 2018 04:02 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 00:01 Vivax wrote:
I mean the last part, why is it relevant to you that conv can get worked up to the point of modkilling himself? I don't see how that is relevant to the quoted post or his alignment. It has to do with the thought I wanted to check re: rayn vs Conv, ergo why that is written after I mentioned that.
TT why are you not trying to work with your town-read who you wanted to work with and who is a counter-wagon to you and your scum-read?
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On June 28 2018 04:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why does shockeyy have votes on him?
Two of your scum-reads and a guy who doesn't scum-read me are voting for ShoCkeyy and you ask this question? lol
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On June 28 2018 04:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 04:22 Holyflare wrote:
Keep this on the down low and don't tell rayn but he might be mafia. who me or tt? youre wrong on both. 
Then why are you asking things like "omg why does shockeyy have votes" when TWO OF YOUR SCUM-READS ARE VOTING FOR HIM, spamming the thread with "Shockeyy dumbtelled himself town" (which he really didn't lmao) and not doing anything to get me lynched?
According to you, two of your scum-reads are lynching this like, super-obvious townie and you're not doing anything to stop it.
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On June 28 2018 04:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 04:25 Calix wrote:On June 28 2018 04:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 28 2018 04:22 Holyflare wrote:
Keep this on the down low and don't tell rayn but he might be mafia. who me or tt? youre wrong on both. Then why are you asking things like "omg why does shockeyy have votes" when TWO OF YOUR SCUM-READS ARE VOTING FOR HIM, spamming the thread with "Shockeyy dumbtelled himself town" (which he really didn't lmao) and not doing anything to get me lynched? According to you, two of your scum-reads are lynching this like, super-obvious townie and you're not doing anything to stop it. super scummy post.
I don't care what bullshit you write to justify that, you're the one with the shitty EOD posts who is dodging valid questions.
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On June 28 2018 04:30 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 04:25 Holyflare wrote:On June 28 2018 04:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 28 2018 04:22 Holyflare wrote:
Keep this on the down low and don't tell rayn but he might be mafia. who me or tt? youre wrong on both. You. I don't believe you think shockeyy has dumb telled himself over the kp thing when even he himself said it was a trap. Did you hear what he gained from the trap? I haven't. Even though many people responded. I did respond, conversion ruined it for me instantly. It was an obvious attempt, and rayn and conversion saw it based on my last game with them as town
So you made a scummy post, got called out, claimed it was a trap and now you blame Conversion for 'ruining it' and giving you no results whatsoever?
Well that's sure convenient!
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On June 28 2018 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 04:32 Calix wrote:On June 28 2018 04:30 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 28 2018 04:25 Holyflare wrote:On June 28 2018 04:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 28 2018 04:22 Holyflare wrote:
Keep this on the down low and don't tell rayn but he might be mafia. who me or tt? youre wrong on both. You. I don't believe you think shockeyy has dumb telled himself over the kp thing when even he himself said it was a trap. Did you hear what he gained from the trap? I haven't. Even though many people responded. I did respond, conversion ruined it for me instantly. It was an obvious attempt, and rayn and conversion saw it based on my last game with them as town So you made a scummy post, got called out, claimed it was a trap and now you blame Conversion for 'ruining it' and giving you no results whatsoever? Well that's sure convenient! he also blamed me, did you even read that shit?
Thanks for not disproving my point whatsoever.
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On June 28 2018 04:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:oh but you wanna lynch conversion so yeah it checks out
Literally the opposite of what I've said, rayn.
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On June 28 2018 04:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 04:35 Calix wrote:On June 28 2018 04:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:oh but you wanna lynch conversion so yeah it checks out Literally the opposite of what I've said, rayn. Yes i must be mafia. Lynch me.
???
Are you drunk or something?
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