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On June 28 2018 01:50 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 21:43 ShoCkeyy wrote:I think Vivax is town, after reading convos between Tictock and Calix... Who btw barely even talk to each other in the thread other than "I didn't like your case against Cake".It stars with Calix here: On June 26 2018 08:06 Calix wrote:On June 26 2018 08:05 Tictock wrote:
Well nothing to do but pretend like I am working and play this instead.
What up peeps Sup, long time no see. Fancy randomly bandwagoning some AFK person for the lulz? What I've found in past games is that afkers are usually town, and away, since they don't have a huge role in the game, they tend to just sit back, watch, and post when needed. And also honestly, I've notice way more mafia trying to lynch into afk towns, than anything. I would understand the afkers too because I thought the game was starting Tuesday. Not Monday night, so I had to play a large catch up as part of it. here Calix still trying to put blame on afker's, low post count trying to lynch them off, or Vivax, who is starting to look more town after each post because of the interactions between Tictock and Calix. On June 27 2018 20:15 Calix wrote:
I'm as good as rayn and HF? Since when? lmao
Anyway I've skimmed the thread. I'm making the executive decision to largely ignore the TWO (!!!) giant cases against me since I'll be working for most of the day and putting me on the defense near EOD is a really bad idea. I'll be around for EOD though so I can do some filter-diving and give reads then ^^
Also Regfan goes up a notch for being sensible, looking into things and discouraging that dumb fight or whatever you'd call it between Tictock and Mocsta (while Mocsta's case was pretty bad, it's not mafia-terrible, I don't think).
Regfan also realises that, in a game where about 1/3 of the players aren't actually playing, lynching someone who is playing on D1 is suboptimal.
Yes, yes, this argument is really self-serving but it's not wrong so you should probably just do it.
In a normal game, this would be the part where I tell you who the best lynch is but I would be lying if I said I had any preference. Sure, I can analyse Koshi/ ShoCkeyy/ Vivax or whine about how terrible it is that two players haven't posted yet. But I don't think it's possible to accurately assess players with such low post counts so I don't see the point of wasting time by pretending to do so. I could lynch literally any of them right now and my thoughts are probably not changing until they actually start doing stuff. Then tictock's reasoning of not "voting for Cilax" On June 27 2018 14:00 Tictock wrote:
I think I am also just pretty against lynching Calix today.
I still a bit of sus on her, but her play as the day has gone on has left me feeling like their is a solid chance she could be town here still.
Even if I was still toying with the idea of Calix being in my working Mafia team (which is purely just to keep my imagination going, I don't actually think I have a good chance at pinging the entire team D1), I would probably advocate against her lynch today as she is a bad player to lynch D1.
Honestly I really want to push town to do the smart thing for once D1 and kill off someone like Shokey or Koshi. Boxer deserves something worse than a lynch for signing up with an exclamation right before the game starts then not posting for most of D1 (assuming he does post and nothing truly terrible happened to him).
I also think Vivax is probably a fine lynch, and want more people to relook at Mocsta again since he's fresh on my mind now. Possibly lynching off a teammate d1 won't work for him, so yea let's go for the afkers or Vivax the well known town... I'm sorry, what? You need to explain to me this Vivax is solid town read, because you just loosely frame it as being evident because of interaction between me and Calix? Makes no sense
Not until you answer my question.
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On June 28 2018 02:03 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 22:17 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 27 2018 22:08 Calix wrote:On June 27 2018 22:04 ShoCkeyy wrote:Vivax, why can't it not be something they do? If he claims he can't die, there's only two reasons, he's a role, or he's mafia. There's a 50/50 chance, and if he doesn't die tonight, does that increase the likely hood he is mafia? So let me put it in easier terms, math. If there is three mafia shots, three town will die at night + the mislynch leaving us in a really bad spot for tomorrow. If there is two mafia shots, we're still in a bad spot for this next lynch and the following lynch after will really be the game breaker. If there is one mafia shot, we have three cycles to play. If he's already claiming something, then I rather take it as mafia who has a solid chance of surviving all three cycles if he's "unlynchable". On June 27 2018 21:47 Calix wrote:
Another bad post, eh? ^^
Since when did you very conveniently and opportunistically decide to scum-read me, may I ask? And for what reason?
That paragraph about AFKs being more likely town and rambling about the game starting date is filler.
Your town-read on Vivax is based on a very flimsy pre-flip association which will crumple like a house of cards. Do you have any substantial reason to town-read this guy? My town read is because Vivax town read you early into the game, and you've only been trying to get him lynched, which is even odder to me since it's both you and Tictock pushing for Vivax without any dialogue happening between you too. Huh? Mafia can't shoot multiple people in a night. I don't see how trying to lynch someone who TOWN-READS me is scummy since that means I'm trying to vote off someone who isn't going to vote for me...at a time when I'm being discussed as a lynch candidate. In no world does that make me mafia. TT is American iirc, I'm from the UK. We're not usually on at the same time ^^ How do you know they can't shoot multiple times? it doesn't say it in the rules, it just says this: Option A - 1 blue role , 9 vanilla town, 3 vanilla mafia Option B - 2 blue role , 8 vanilla town, 1 mafia roleblocker, 2 vanilla mafia Either two vanilla, or three vanilla, and from the Role PM, it seems like all three can shoot. You probably didn't check because it will be handed to you through mafia QT... along where you and Tictock maybe conversing even though you're on "different" time zones. Ehhh, feels fake that you use this to continue to push your scumread on Calix. It is a perfectly reasonable assumption that mafia only get one shot at night as that is the TL Mafia standard. This is something you know, so this just looks like you are slinging anything you can without actually evaluating it.
You obviously haven't been reading the thread if you think I use this to continue my push on Calix... wow.
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I got used to Conversion and rayn going at each other when theyre both town... so nothing new to see folks.
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On June 28 2018 02:26 Conversion wrote:@Calix you can just CTRL+F Shock here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/528031-heroes-of-the-storm-mafia?user=Conversion&view=allbut I aggregated some things. I think I just put him on a low-key read but don't dwell on because I tried way too hard to read into him in the aforementioned game and was just straight up wrong. + Show Spoiler +On November 01 2017 11:32 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2017 11:27 happykrogan wrote:On November 01 2017 11:24 happykrogan wrote:On November 01 2017 11:10 Conversion wrote:On November 01 2017 11:09 happykrogan wrote:On November 01 2017 10:55 Tictock wrote:And I'm caught up. I dislike Shokey calling out people who haven't posted yet this early in the game. Also people should talk about this: What do you make of HF voting Damer, the pressuring you for also thinking Damer might be mafia? HF wasn't pressuring conv for thinking damer might be mafia. He pressured him because of the reasons he gave for disliking him weren't good. and you haven't followed up with anything, either. What's your opinion on the thread so far? Am I scummy for acting similarly to my last game? What about Shockey? Is he clear lynch bait, or is he mafia? What's your opinion on the interactions between me, rux, and HF? What's your opinion on TicTock's string of posts, and the conclusion he comes from it? true Well I think your reasoning for disliking damerion seemed pretty forced. Like if you had to think of something because you got asked. To the other things: If I don't say anything about other things it usally means I have no opinon on them. I'm newbie so it is still hard for me to figure out how I interpret posts and I prefer to wait until more is said before I give hasty reads I change anyways. So yes you are scummy. Fair. Hope that changes over the course of the game, b/c I'm not scum but I can see where you're coming from I guess. Show nested quote +On November 01 2017 07:44 ShoCkeyy wrote:
lol at this early game posting. Is this the new meta? To just claim something and then hope no one notices you lied? I don't really like this entrance, and I don't really like his last post of "let's just wait for AFKers to come in." you shouldn't be sitting around twiddling your thumbs and waiting for people to not be AFK. it's awful behavior, and there was more than enough content to push some buttons/ask questions and agendas no bueno On November 01 2017 11:41 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2017 11:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:I mean the game just started, there is nothing to really post about other than Conversion getting triggered about being "grilled"... I also posted the list because I mentioned it's too early to even try to vote because these "list" haven't posted yet. I haven't really played with any of you other than Holy, Damred, Vivax, and what may be Oatsmaster (but I don't recall). So I'm still just poking around and seeing what comes out of what. I don't mind taking the fall for now until some one slips, cause it's what I usually do. So far those who are "suspicious" of me, one of them have a good chance at being scum  I just pointed your entrance out b/c it's like Tictock randomly de-towning me in his list for not seeing obvious joke posts.. except you applied that to a broader audience instead of just me. Seemed like a lazy, forced comment about a bunch of fluff that came out within the first hour of the game On November 02 2017 01:14 Conversion wrote:
I'm voting ShoCkeyy until he stops dodging me for whatever reason. On November 02 2017 07:03 Conversion wrote:
someone explain to me why shockey is bad town instead of scum for his leaps in logic and deflecting shit back onto me because I'm not seeing it and he should be lynched because he is scum On November 02 2017 07:34 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2017 07:23 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I chose to dodge it, so there's my reason. I don't need to deal with you anymore but you insist, I've caught you messing up with your own posts, I've already proven that my reading comprehension isn't off, and you're easily triggered. I rather deal with others at this point.
And you're not being any help. Brb my sun here. you’re not dealing with anyone. you come up when someone mentions you then disappear again your behavior is 100% clear as day scum. try harder On November 03 2017 06:30 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 06:28 Vivax wrote:
Well my vote stands and I explained why I'm not going to vote TT.
I'm not feeling a Ruxxar lynch either atm.
Shockey is simply the best lynch and I'm not going to do anything besides pointing to today's arguments and voting him for the rest of the game.
As I said, lynch shockey or feed. I mirror this part 1000%
I also think I had fairly well reads that game, yet I was the bad guy  I also forgot TT was in that game too... and I remember now pushing him for his ugly early game play, oh god, its the same game.
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HF pretty much summed up what I was already responding too... no need to write the same thing, but yea, I agree with HF. Just seems super odd when I started to push TT you come to defend him, he can defend himself, which he hasn't answer my questions yet.
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On June 28 2018 02:50 Holyflare wrote:
Also why isn't shockey voting calix?
I thought I had submitted it earlier, but I checked my phone and it timed out .... but there's still time to vote and watch if some one slips other than Calix, but meh fuck it, I'll just put my vote on my actual read.
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I already said it earlier, he said he's "unlynchable" if he's claiming, then there's a 50/50 chance he's either other. I like those chances better, and if he flips mafia, then Cilax defense of him is pretty clear.
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I'm responding from a meeting at work, so I might be delayed now. But HF, I'll respond on that when I get a chance.
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HF this is for you:
On June 27 2018 00:22 Vivax wrote:
I remember vividly HF complaining in a chat we had that the new player batch tended to say "x is scummy y is townie" without explaining why.
Yet now he does it himself and everyone around him as well. I explain pretty much every reason for a post being scummy or townie, as simple as the reasons may be.
Basically none of you seem to give a shit about the though process behind my posts. You just call them scummy or townie as it suits your needs.
I don't think a mafia member would cry out here about their thought process behind their posts. It would just force others to look into him more deeper.
And then this post confirmed that he was town at least to me.
On June 27 2018 00:28 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 00:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 27 2018 00:22 Vivax wrote:
Basically none of you seem to give a shit about the though process behind my posts. You just call them scummy or townie as it suits your needs. Fine, for starters expalin to me why the fucking fuck should i EVER EVEN THINK of googling a post or some other shit like that in a mafia game just to see if someone has posted it before? Cause conversion said it was copypasta right when you were ITT. While I was reading that part I googled a snip of that text myself and found it on several mafia sites. Then I saw you trying to pick it apart. I didn't find it particularly alignment indicative but the entire discussion stemming from it seemed like a waste of space to me cause you got trolled hard. So I dropped in to mention that.
He's spending the extra time needed to look into what people are writing, and the meaning behind it. Something you don't see all the time from mediocre town people.
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On June 28 2018 03:25 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 03:23 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I already said it earlier, he said he's "unlynchable" if he's claiming, then there's a 50/50 chance he's either other. I like those chances better, and if he flips mafia, then Cilax defense of him is pretty clear. You seriously think there's two mafia wagons as the main lynch options with two of the mafia sitting on you? You're not even SLIGHTLY doubtful that your reads might be wrong there?
One or the other is wrong yea, but that's the point of the game right? I'm guessing based on your posting abilities no? Right now, I personally think both of you are mafia, is that wrong of me? I don't get why it's wrong... I just think Tictock is more mafia than you only due to the early claim. I rather stick to my 50/50.
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I just think if he flips town, my read on you changes. But personally right now, you two to me seem the scummiest, and it's evident to others.
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It's not obvious? I'm also basing my decisions based off others opinions... rayn and mocsta both had some valid arguments against you, can that not alter my decision making process? If I'm wrong on tictock, I go back and question my thought process following my read on you changes. Either for worse or for better who the fuck knows. It just depends on what other random questions you can think of that has an obvious answer to.
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Depends on here till then, we still have three hours, and I you're grilling me for voting Tictock which is even odder.
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On June 28 2018 03:54 Vivax wrote:
On a quick reread I like shockey more for mafia than TT actually
I don't care why you may think I'm more mafia, but what is making you think TT maybe town?
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On June 28 2018 04:25 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 04:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 28 2018 04:22 Holyflare wrote:
Keep this on the down low and don't tell rayn but he might be mafia. who me or tt? youre wrong on both. You. I don't believe you think shockeyy has dumb telled himself over the kp thing when even he himself said it was a trap. Did you hear what he gained from the trap? I haven't. Even though many people responded.
I did respond, conversion ruined it for me instantly. It was an obvious attempt, and rayn and conversion saw it based on my last game with them as town
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I also responded to your vivax question, but idk if you saw.
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If you look at Calix filter, it says my name in about 90% of the post, and "lynch" along with it, this person is more scummy than scum. Ever since I called them out, it's been like this, I don't think a normal town would do that. HF how would you feel if I parked my vote on Cilax since they're being overly aggressive at this point?
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On June 28 2018 06:53 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 06:47 ShoCkeyy wrote:
If you look at Calix filter, it says my name in about 90% of the post, and "lynch" along with it, this person is more scummy than scum. Ever since I called them out, it's been like this, I don't think a normal town would do that. HF how would you feel if I parked my vote on Cilax since they're being overly aggressive at this point? I'd think you'd probably be mafia. Don't get any of the scum reads against calix tbh.
My scum reads were more towards TT, not Calix, Calix joined when I mentioned their name, started defending TT non stop, and still hasn't stopped saying I'm mafia... Like how much value is that really adding to the thread. It just seems super desperate.
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On June 28 2018 06:57 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 05:00 Holyflare wrote:On June 28 2018 04:30 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 28 2018 04:25 Holyflare wrote:On June 28 2018 04:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 28 2018 04:22 Holyflare wrote:
Keep this on the down low and don't tell rayn but he might be mafia. who me or tt? youre wrong on both. You. I don't believe you think shockeyy has dumb telled himself over the kp thing when even he himself said it was a trap. Did you hear what he gained from the trap? I haven't. Even though many people responded. I did respond, conversion ruined it for me instantly. It was an obvious attempt, and rayn and conversion saw it based on my last game with them as town What did you expect mafia to reply with?
I was expecting some kind of effort to fix the logic behind my count with the possibility of slipping on the actual amount of roles they have.
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On June 28 2018 07:07 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 07:07 Mocsta wrote:Repost On June 28 2018 07:04 Mocsta wrote:
Morning!
i cant believe 20pages in less than 12hrs!
Can someone give me a quick run down; or a link to key posts.
I cant read that critically before lynch
Thanks, I have a red check on shockeyy
That's not very helpful...
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