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CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
June 30 2018 20:53 GMT
#2041
Nah, is correct, Vivax had no vote placed in anyone during that time.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 30 2018 20:54 GMT
#2042
On July 01 2018 05:48 CopCake wrote:
Tictock[4]:Holyflare, Vivax,Conversion, Holyflare, ShoCkeyy, raynpelikoneet, CopCake
ShoCkeyy[3]:Regfan Vivax, Tictock, Calix,Vivax,Mocsta, Koshi, Regfan,
Calix[0]:raynpelikoneet,Mocsta,CopCake, Koshi, raynpelikoneet
boxerfred[4]:boxerfred, Holyflare, Mocsta, Calix
Holyflare[0]:Conversion Calix
Regfan[0]:Mocsta,Tictock
Koshi[0]:Vivax, Mocsta
TheSlenderMan[1]:TheSlenderMan
CopCake[0]:Vivax, Calix
Vivax[0]:Holyflare,Calix, Regfan
[B]raynpelikoneet [1]:Tictock

This is how it would have looked the vote count. I think, @Conversion @Rayn check me this.

TT would have been lynched, he would flip town and that would give you town credibility Calix.




The only reason shockeyy was not lynched is because conversion decided to un scumread tt too late and tt didn't give a shit to save himself until last second and someone else did something.
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
June 30 2018 20:58 GMT
#2043
On July 01 2018 05:54 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2018 05:48 CopCake wrote:
Tictock[4]:Holyflare, Vivax,Conversion, Holyflare, ShoCkeyy, raynpelikoneet, CopCake
ShoCkeyy[3]:Regfan Vivax, Tictock, Calix,Vivax,Mocsta, Koshi, Regfan,
Calix[0]:raynpelikoneet,Mocsta,CopCake, Koshi, raynpelikoneet
boxerfred[4]:boxerfred, Holyflare, Mocsta, Calix
Holyflare[0]:Conversion Calix
Regfan[0]:Mocsta,Tictock
Koshi[0]:Vivax, Mocsta
TheSlenderMan[1]:TheSlenderMan
CopCake[0]:Vivax, Calix
Vivax[0]:Holyflare,Calix, Regfan
raynpelikoneet [1]:Tictock

This is how it would have looked the vote count. I think, @Conversion @Rayn check me this.

TT would have been lynched, he would flip town and that would give you town credibility Calix.




The only reason shockeyy was not lynched is because conversion decided to un scumread tt too late and tt didn't give a shit to save himself until last second and someone else did something.


but shockey got two votes at the end.

If you notice, the final is:
[B]On June 28 2018 08:17 Tubesock wrote:
Final Day 1 Vote Count



Tictock[3]:Holyflare, Vivax, Conversion, Holyflare, ShoCkeyy, raynpelikoneet, CopCake
ShoCkeyy[4]:Regfan Vivax, Tictock, Calix,Vivax,Mocsta, Koshi, Regfan,Tictock, Conversion
Calix[0]:raynpelikoneet,Mocsta,CopCake, Koshi, raynpelikoneet
boxerfred[5]:boxerfred, Holyflare, Mocsta, Calix, Vivax
Holyflare[0]:Conversion Calix
Regfan[0]:Mocsta,Tictock
Koshi[0]:Vivax, Mocsta
TheSlenderMan[1]:TheSlenderMan
CopCake[0]:Vivax, Calix
Vivax[0]:Holyflare,Calix, Regfan
raynpelikoneet [0]:Tictock

Boxerfred has been lynched.


Conversion didnt try to save Shockey, Shockey and TT were his scum reads.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
June 30 2018 21:01 GMT
#2044
HF, let's say I vote Mocsta based off your read on page 100, and he flips red, who are your other associated members? Copcake, I can't recall, but what is your read on Mocsta again?
Life?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 30 2018 21:02 GMT
#2045
On July 01 2018 05:58 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2018 05:54 Holyflare wrote:
On July 01 2018 05:48 CopCake wrote:
Tictock[4]:Holyflare, Vivax,Conversion, Holyflare, ShoCkeyy, raynpelikoneet, CopCake
ShoCkeyy[3]:Regfan Vivax, Tictock, Calix,Vivax,Mocsta, Koshi, Regfan,
Calix[0]:raynpelikoneet,Mocsta,CopCake, Koshi, raynpelikoneet
boxerfred[4]:boxerfred, Holyflare, Mocsta, Calix
Holyflare[0]:Conversion Calix
Regfan[0]:Mocsta,Tictock
Koshi[0]:Vivax, Mocsta
TheSlenderMan[1]:TheSlenderMan
CopCake[0]:Vivax, Calix
Vivax[0]:Holyflare,Calix, Regfan
raynpelikoneet [1]:Tictock

This is how it would have looked the vote count. I think, @Conversion @Rayn check me this.

TT would have been lynched, he would flip town and that would give you town credibility Calix.




The only reason shockeyy was not lynched is because conversion decided to un scumread tt too late and tt didn't give a shit to save himself until last second and someone else did something.


but shockey got two votes at the end.

If you notice, the final is:
Show nested quote +
[B]On June 28 2018 08:17 Tubesock wrote:
Final Day 1 Vote Count



Tictock[3]:Holyflare, Vivax, Conversion, Holyflare, ShoCkeyy, raynpelikoneet, CopCake
ShoCkeyy[4]:Regfan Vivax, Tictock, Calix,Vivax,Mocsta, Koshi, Regfan,Tictock, Conversion
Calix[0]:raynpelikoneet,Mocsta,CopCake, Koshi, raynpelikoneet
boxerfred[5]:boxerfred, Holyflare, Mocsta, Calix, Vivax
Holyflare[0]:Conversion Calix
Regfan[0]:Mocsta,Tictock
Koshi[0]:Vivax, Mocsta
TheSlenderMan[1]:TheSlenderMan
CopCake[0]:Vivax, Calix
Vivax[0]:Holyflare,Calix, Regfan
raynpelikoneet [0]:Tictock

Boxerfred has been lynched.


Conversion didnt try to save Shockey, Shockey and TT were his scum reads.


I didn't say conversion tried to save shockey.

Your argument is something about calix having no context to lynch shockeyy.

What is the context for your town read conversion to vote shockeyy?
What is the context for confirmed town tt to vote shockeyy?
What is the context for confirmed town regfan to vote shockeyy?
What is the context for maybe town koshi to vote shockeyy?

If tt had voted shockeyy to begin with instead of last minute none of the bf votes would have occured because they were ALL (even me kind of) to save tt. Shockeyy would be dead.

Why does the argument that there was no reason to vote shockeyy only apply to calix and not the actual people that voted shockeyy? Why are you selectively choosing when to use this argument?
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
June 30 2018 21:03 GMT
#2046
boxerfred[5]:boxerfred, Holyflare, Mocsta, Calix, Vivax

In all honesty, there has to at least be one or two mafia members here. Easy mislynch of a town. How quick was mocsta jumping on board with this bus?
Life?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 30 2018 21:05 GMT
#2047
On July 01 2018 06:01 ShoCkeyy wrote:
HF, let's say I vote Mocsta based off your read on page 100, and he flips red, who are your other associated members? Copcake, I can't recall, but what is your read on Mocsta again?


I'll work it out after the flip. Or at least people's reactions surrounding the lynch.

Tell me if you disagree with anything I wrote. Also please follow up on your accusation on me and why what I countered it with sways you one way or another to my alignment. I don't want you to keep me as a mafia read in your back pocket that you wildly fling out when I'm most vulnerable so if I can get rid of your excuses for scum reading me now that would be great thanks.

I think slender will be a mafia modkill though because he hadn't voted.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 30 2018 21:06 GMT
#2048
On July 01 2018 06:03 ShoCkeyy wrote:
boxerfred[5]:boxerfred, Holyflare, Mocsta, Calix, Vivax

In all honesty, there has to at least be one or two mafia members here. Easy mislynch of a town. How quick was mocsta jumping on board with this bus?


There doesn't have to be any mafia here at all because if you are town and tt is town why do mafia go out of their way to lynch a modkill able guy?

Such bad argumentation used by like 3 people now.

If you are town why don't they all just jump on you? Or tt?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 30 2018 21:10 GMT
#2049
Good case on mocsta.

0 votes on mocsta.

Give reasons.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
June 30 2018 21:16 GMT
#2050
Why need to go through the trouble of lynching two people who look like easy mislynches the following days? Knowing that boxerfred plays a pretty mean mafia game when he's actually active, it was an easy kill - I would have done it if I was mafia.

And on your read for Mocsta, I can agree he does seem to vote who ever he saw last talked about in the thread. Also his random vote on me when he comes back, which I said earlier, is what had me teetering on him. Which is why I can give a consideration vote on Mocsta if needed.

On July 01 2018 05:16 Holyflare wrote:
The only reason for you to think calix was mafia after the votes last night was if tt was mafia. She effectively saved you to save tt by voting a lynch that would make her look really bad. Why would she do that if you are town shockeyy?

Why would I not vote you myself if I am mafia with calix and tt is town? Why do I not vote tt or you and get free modkill kills?


I don't think Calix saved me, Vivax saved me.
Life?
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
June 30 2018 21:17 GMT
#2051
Or in all honesty, you saved me by starting the BF bus.
Life?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 30 2018 21:19 GMT
#2052
On July 01 2018 06:17 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Or in all honesty, you saved me by starting the BF bus.


So why on earth am I ever a consideration to be mafia?

Also everyone on the bf wagon saved you because you were 1 vote away from dying.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 30 2018 21:23 GMT
#2053
Also I've just noticed all these vote counts people have been linking are incredibly wrong in the vote thread. Vivax was still voting shockey but his name was crossed off. Koshi on twice. Many votes not counted properly.

Makes people's analysis very wrong.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
June 30 2018 21:24 GMT
#2054
Is it considered a save though? Like I said, I still look scummy to people some how, and Calix says I don't change my reads, but neither does she if she's also continue to push my lynch.

So as I mentioned, why try to push two targets who were easily on the chopping block, when you can save it for the following days, and mafia have an even easier target at hand? We're already four town down, with two of them mod killing themselves... obviously mafia is driving madness in this thread and it all started by lynching off an afk user easily.
Life?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 30 2018 21:28 GMT
#2055
Can't blame mafia for two people's lack of mental fortitude. That's on them.

I don't think calix's push on you is that awful, that's the thing. Your reads (such as that one on me which you're not indulging me with) look very opportune and not thought out. It's tough because you're both talking across each other and not with each other. I'd like to give you both an extra day of just talking TO each other and pretending you are both town and seeing how it works out. I think it could be very fruitful. If Calix is mafia she'll struggle quite a bit with this exercise.
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
June 30 2018 21:29 GMT
#2056
[image loading]

Blue happened before pink.

Now let's play this game.

(3) Boxerfred would have had 3 votes HF, Mocsta,and BF (not counting Calix and Vivax for being last minute votes)
(4) Ticktock would have 4 and be lynched: Conversion (previous vote), Shockey, Rayn, Cake
(3) Shockey would have had 3: Calix (previous vote) Koshi and Regfan


Then Calix changed her vote

(4) Boxerfred: HF, Mocsta,BF, Calix
(4) Ticktock would have 4 and be lynched: Conversion (previous vote), Shockey, Rayn, Cake
(2) Shockey: Koshi and Regfan

THIS specific MOVE of HERS would have KILLEDDDDDD TICKTOCK

THIS MOVE

Now ask yourself, was Calix trying to save TT?

Then Vivax, probably for pressure o idk, decided to vote BF. Notice, Holyflare, that Calix neither someone else had control over Vivax's actions. So, Calix intentions was to Kill Ticktock, because switching her vote last minute would still kill ticktock but she would look "townier" with the whole "whoever got the more votes in the tie gets killed"


Next move is Vivax's, who saved TT

(5) Boxerfred: HF, Mocsta,and BF, Calix,Vivax
(4) Ticktock: Conversion (previous vote), Shockey, Rayn, Cake
(2) Shockey: Koshi and Regfan

and then the moves of TT last minute, and ofc the fail attempt of Conversion trying to save an AFK.
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
June 30 2018 21:30 GMT
#2057
On July 01 2018 06:16 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Why need to go through the trouble of lynching two people who look like easy mislynches the following days? Knowing that boxerfred plays a pretty mean mafia game when he's actually active, it was an easy kill - I would have done it if I was mafia.

And on your read for Mocsta, I can agree he does seem to vote who ever he saw last talked about in the thread. Also his random vote on me when he comes back, which I said earlier, is what had me teetering on him. Which is why I can give a consideration vote on Mocsta if needed.

Show nested quote +
On July 01 2018 05:16 Holyflare wrote:
The only reason for you to think calix was mafia after the votes last night was if tt was mafia. She effectively saved you to save tt by voting a lynch that would make her look really bad. Why would she do that if you are town shockeyy?

Why would I not vote you myself if I am mafia with calix and tt is town? Why do I not vote tt or you and get free modkill kills?


I don't think Calix saved me, Vivax saved me.


Calix never tried to save you lol.
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
June 30 2018 21:30 GMT
#2058
On July 01 2018 06:19 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2018 06:17 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Or in all honesty, you saved me by starting the BF bus.


So why on earth am I ever a consideration to be mafia?

Also everyone on the bf wagon saved you because you were 1 vote away from dying.


This is the problem, you THINK EVERYONE ON THE BF wagon is town.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 30 2018 21:31 GMT
#2059
Your post above is wrong because the vote counts are wrong and always have been cop. Vivax was voting shockeyy the whole time until then so shockeyy should have been higher etc.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 30 2018 21:31 GMT
#2060
On July 01 2018 06:30 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2018 06:19 Holyflare wrote:
On July 01 2018 06:17 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Or in all honesty, you saved me by starting the BF bus.


So why on earth am I ever a consideration to be mafia?

Also everyone on the bf wagon saved you because you were 1 vote away from dying.


This is the problem, you THINK EVERYONE ON THE BF wagon is town.


No I don't. I'm voting mocsta.
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