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None can evade the penetrating gaze of my frothing noodles. | ||
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I am all out of bananas. I have heard that you have the bananas. | ||
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On June 10 2018 03:22 Superbia wrote: this game seems to be going p well, carry on iap mocsta rayn? Yes indeed Superbia Palmar RELS?? | ||
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On June 10 2018 14:09 kitaman27 wrote: Why Superbia specifically? I don't see any problems with his play so far. I don't actually. I was just matching shit post for shit post. I don't have any reads atm, but I haven't read the new Rayn stuff yet. Superbia is on the list because he made the shit post. Palmar because he makes me laugh and I find his name funny, so I like to include Palmar in lists. | ||
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On June 11 2018 01:10 kitaman27 wrote: Do you think it's genuine for rayn to town read you based on what you have posted so far? No I don't think so I would expect my filter to piss him off. | ||
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I think this calls for some meta-investigations. | ||
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Carry on folks. | ||
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The only person I like so far is Fuba. | ||
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Instead I think I'll just attach my vote directly behind wherever Fuba's vote goes. Think carefully Mr. Fuba. I am counting on you. | ||
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Yeah that one's on me. | ||
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On June 11 2018 08:22 Mocsta wrote: right HF. keep being big mommy and berating everyone. you're just as bad as kita. damned if you do, damned if you don't. what, so i am the only one voting kita and then you would say why i wasted my vote. we dont even know rayn alignment and you are shitting on everyone. GTFO. the only post i have somewhat respect for is #201. keep that up pls. +1 to this. Down with the haters! | ||
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On June 11 2018 08:16 kitaman27 wrote: At least fuba is consistent for favoring a Palmar vote over rayn. What did you even mean grack when you said "That's why I'm not switching."? That looks really sketchy. I wasn't really crazy about either of the lynches so I said that anticipating criticism of Rayn being lynched over Palmar and me throwing away my vote instead of voting a main wagon. | ||
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I don't think my actions are very mafia-ish. | ||
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On June 11 2018 08:42 kitaman27 wrote: Why wasn't rayn's seemingly fake town read on you enough to feel stronger that he was mafia? Like I said earlier, he went out of his way to call you town at a point in the game where you hadn't even really said anything. lol idk what to say I bungled it. I didn't feel like town was going to lynch mafia today based on how the day went. | ||
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Please save me MR. Doctor. | ||
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Rayn HF In order of towniness. I feel pretty good about this much. I misread HF last game but there were a lot of signs that I didn't pick up on in retrospect. His posts are much more investigatory and I think he picks up on worthwhile things to push in his Fuba/Grackaroni posts. Last game he basically just chose strong targets and attempted to spew them as scum like Fuba said. I have a different feel towards him this game than last game. I want to lynch Koshi for his Mocsta read. We usually have pretty similar reads on things and Mocsta's posts after the day 1 flip are extremely townie and (imo) entertaining to read: + Show Spoiler + On June 11 2018 08:22 Mocsta wrote: right HF. keep being big mommy and berating everyone. you're just as bad as kita. damned if you do, damned if you don't. what, so i am the only one voting kita and then you would say why i wasted my vote. we dont even know rayn alignment and you are shitting on everyone. GTFO. the only post i have somewhat respect for is #201. keep that up pls. On June 11 2018 08:51 Mocsta wrote: #208 regarding me is highly superficial i have discussed rayns kita read. In fact, theres probably 3-4 posts between me + rayn on it. how have I misconstrued anything? for someone that is talking about finding information to narrow things down, you are doing a heck of job of predetermining outcomes. secondly. regarding mafia faux pas, and its converse = town mentality. The only person in my opinion that has actively tried to narrow down things beyond early game is rayn. your #1 target. Since the palmar flip, you can paint your posts in whatever colours you want. The facts remain. You have demonstrated zero disposition to reconsider rayn content. You have demonstrated zero disposition to consider people outside rayn. You have demonstrated disposition towards berating those that did not vote rayn. There is too little content in the game to be tunneled. I find this scummy. #207 is outright stupid. Why should i be focused on team pairings. Associations is always POST FLIP. I thought kita was meant to be an analytical player? On June 11 2018 08:58 Mocsta wrote: #213 i can see your perspective, but i dont undrestand why you hold it. like fuba to me reads like a feeler rather than a thinker. Why would you hold him to the same cold hard logical disposition of an introverted thinker? in my opinion, a feeler is more likely to cotton onto other arguments to join bandwagons, rather than put up blank positions that people like you can instantly shit on. Happy to be proven wrong from a meta dive if you can point in the right direction. i suspect im not far off the mark though. On June 12 2018 19:59 Koshi wrote: I think from all players i like mocsta the least. Mafia wise I mean ofc Really does almost nothing On June 12 2018 20:01 Koshi wrote: Maybe Ido him short but his posts are the most boring and he just repeats the content of posts others made Yawn I think Koshi is just choosing Mocsta because he seems lynchable based off HF/Kitaman pressure rather than this being his own read. Also I suspect that the Superbia night kill was made by either Koshi or Rels. Voting Koshi. | ||
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Last game his posts are really bland without any attitude whatsoever. He basically just likes to give an update of who he is suspecting throughout the day. It seems like he's trying to add more flair to his posts this game. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/533201-elementary-mafia?user=fuba This post in particular bothers me when compared to his filter last game since it seems uncharacteristically nonchalant. On June 11 2018 05:12 fuba wrote: Did you? I don't recall. Guess there's something else about rayn that makes me feel that way. *Shrugs* Also I don't like that he was joking around with people at the start of the game after reading that last filter. His attitude seems very different. | ||
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On June 12 2018 11:30 Tubesock wrote: For anyone who’s played more with Grack: I think of Grack as a player who normally doesn’t really care what the rest of the players think about him. I’ve been in and seen him in games go completely against the tide and not care at all if people scum read him. Fearless. I think him worrying about how his vote would look right after a “It’s SHENANNY time!” Post is very strange. Am I wrong? (Not to mention why he wouldn’t just kill rayn because it seemed he wanted him dead more so than Palmar) There are many MOODS of the Grackaroni: Petty Grack Angry Grack Grack having fun Bored Grack OMGUS Grack. Stealthy Grack. I think the one last night most aligns with Clueless Grack. That Grack is a good Grack. Scum Grack thinks before doings things. Town Grack is derpy. | ||
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On June 13 2018 03:55 kitaman27 wrote: ...anyone? GRACK | ||
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I'm taking another look at Rayn. Maybe. I think a case could be made that he's giving out town reads early on to try to buddy people. I don't know why he says he likes Superbia/Kelsier in his first post. There were things I liked from him later on though so I'll respond more in a minute. | ||
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On June 10 2018 21:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't think Kelsier and Superbia are trying to look like they are playing, they are just doing their own stuff. Basically i don't think they have teammates. | ||
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On June 13 2018 04:39 Holyflare wrote: that's the most bull shit point I've ever heard though? No I think that seems like a plausible Rayn thought process. Rayn's scumhunting is a mix of trying to get into different players' heads and analyzing how each player would approach the game + angry OMGUS. It looks weird to you because I think your style is mostly based on looking for inconsistent statements/actions. | ||
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Which I think is actually correct logic. On June 12 2018 14:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: no, he just came out of a game where he played quite townie. I would assume he would try to emulate that as mafia since he sure as hell is capable of it. Also the eod1 incriminates him for those black-and-white thinkers (which this game is apparently full of) and there is not really any scum reason for him to do what he did unless he wants to gain my trust which isn't really hot fuzz atm. | ||
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The only reason Rayn is under so much suspicion is because he has been tunneling the three people who voted for him, and I don't think he's more likely to do that as mafia than as town. Other than that and one early post his filter looks fine. | ||
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On June 13 2018 00:39 kitaman27 wrote: Now on to Mocsta... He starts off the game accusing me of being mafia for my joke post about KSC because I'm putting in too much effort. I don't care about this 1) KSC's post was made pre-game and obviously can't be interpreted as alignment indicative 2) I clearly wasn't trying to argue that KSC was mafia by poking fun at his busy comment 3) In what world do I think I'm going to earn myself town cred as mafia but throwing together a bunch of quotes. Who here looked at that post as thought "wow look at that! kita really is try harding this game. Town leader material for sure"? Again I don't care about this. I don't think any of this makes either of you two more likely mafia. Mocsta also has a point (that he made earlier) that he dropped this point on you a while ago because he only viewed it as worthy of a beginning of game read I called him out for the forced read and then he immediately spins it back to me. It's pretty clear that he's already made up his mind that I'm mafia at this point. His explanation about how mafia know more info day 1 isn't relevant in the slightest to the fact that he is suspicious of my joke post. And from his perspective he called you out and you immediately spun the accusation back at him The fact that rayn instantly town reads mocsta is what creeps me out even more. No way a town rayn takes a look at mocsta's try hard KSC post argument and finds it valid. He conveniently never actually comments on that, rather than instantly shooting it down the bad logic like HF. I think this is the comment you meant? On June 10 2018 13:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: I agree on the points on Koshi and Mocsta, i jut don't think the points make either of them mafia. I don't see anything wrong with Rayn's post here. Perhaps Mocsta actually thought that you taking the time to string together your early game post was scummy rather than pretend that he thought it was scummy as a way to contribute? Then he follows up his attack on me by calling the way I treated rayn as scummy. However he ignores that argument that's being made. This post seems as if he views my vote on rayn as an early game feeler vote to get a reaction from rayn, but why would he take this perspective if Mocsta thinks I'm mafia? If I'm mafia then vote intensity seems irrelevant since I'm trying to push the mislynch. Furthermore, he ignores the rayn town read on grack as part of my case and focuses only on the Palmar stuff, while ignoring the way rayn goes about it. The point against Rayn town reads is fine for a point against Rayn but I don't think it needs to stretch towards Mocsta. Why regardless? Isn't that relevant? What are you trying to argue here? That me and grack conspired to keep rayn alive? rayn reached majority first so he was getting lynched at the time of the iamp vote, which means we had to anticipate the fuba vote, and then have grack ready for the failed hammer in an effort to get one townie lynched over another townie? That all seems so convoluted that I'm really struggling that think that you actually believe it as a scenario rather than just throwing out random stuff as an attempt to make it seem like you're trying to figure things out. I don't know what this is from him. Mostly I think that you/Rayn/Mocsta are flooding out the game with fights that nobody else has any interest in. But there are some specific posts I like from Mocsta and I think he is quite unlikely to be mafia. | ||
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I actually think Kitaman is town too now I just want to hear more from Rels and Koshi. | ||
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On June 13 2018 08:27 Mocsta wrote: *BANGS HEAD AGAINST WALL* fine, i will stop posting for a bit. lol to be fair I've never really thought Kita was scum to begin with. I've mostly held out on reading him because he seems like a good player. | ||
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On June 14 2018 06:46 Holyflare wrote: you pretty much just confirmed yourself mafia with iamp kita :D lol why would you kill Iamp then over Kita. | ||
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On June 14 2018 06:53 TheSlenderMan wrote: Goddamnit how do I use the filter here? I know it exists and is super-handy but I can't find it. :/ On the first page in the player list you can click on any of the names for their filter. | ||
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On June 14 2018 07:32 Mocsta wrote: Well its pointless im dumb for wanting to vote kita im dumb for wanting to vote koshi that only leaves myself.. Meh being dumb isn't so bad. There's none of the pressure of trying to be smart and you can say whatever the fuck you want. | ||
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On June 14 2018 07:40 iamperfection wrote: people realize there is a reason i dont play anymore right? I'm in a very different situation now. Maybe other people might not spend much time thinking of your situation. Tis a weird thought. | ||
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I think we're heading to an epic conclusion here. | ||
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On June 14 2018 07:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vote for kita if yoy are not already. I promuse you i will claim mafia in case he does not flip mafia. I voted Kita because I trust your read over my own. Even though I think Koshi's Mocsta read is really scummy. | ||
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On June 14 2018 07:59 kitaman27 wrote: look at the last 2 hours everyone! OK | ||
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I think Koshi, Mocsta, and Slenderman are town. Koshi more based on tone and Slenderman because I think he has the best posts in thread. His Tubesock case is very good, but I don't think Tube is the best lynch today. I think the lynch today should be HF and I'll try to write a case for that. | ||
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I'm mostly bothered by some of his EoD 2 posts. And I think this is perfectly valid: On June 14 2018 05:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Holyflare should be dead already, if Holyflare does not die in the next 2 nights just straight out lynch him. There are literally very few reasons (that are bad) why a guy who is townread by 11 other players during N1 does not die and the one bad reason has been now excluded from the pool. So yeah, murder HF D4 if he is alive (unless he has lynched 2 mafia which is impossible with his current vote btw). | ||
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On June 14 2018 06:46 Holyflare wrote: you pretty much just confirmed yourself mafia with iamp kita :D On June 14 2018 07:07 Holyflare wrote: I just want to point out that Kita is scared of people coming back and voting him and making him a majority so he hasn't voted iamp who has done absolutely nothing and he even made one offhand comment about him doing nothing. He won't vote to save himself? Or even comment on the iamp wagon people/iamp? Plus EoD Kita posts looked a lot like a last minute attempt to distance from you. And there's the fact that I really doubt Kita + 2 lurker scum team kills Superbia and that seems to be the alternative to HF scum team. | ||
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On June 17 2018 05:57 Holyflare wrote: If the answer is anything other than whisky and masturbation you'd be wrong. Sounds like a good time. | ||
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On June 17 2018 06:43 Rels wrote: HF just feels scum. For so many reasons. So many bad conclusions. The debates with rayn since the early game. The mis-analysis of the Superbia's kill. Saying he scumread kita but always pushing someone else over him. Now trying to push Mocsta. Those gigantic posts against Mocsta, that almost noone will read and are full of storytelling. That makes no sense if he's town, he knows those never convince anyone. That shows effort if he's scum. Trying to find someone to lynch instead of him, anyone, instead of solving the game in that game whereI tunneled him hard and he flipped town. Unflipped analysis now, but if he's scum with iamp, it makes even more sense. He never pushes him. Earlier today he said he was pushing him oor something like that, but since then he's trying to kill Mocsta KSC or me. lol shit you're on to me. I'm pretty much in the same place as I was before but with the back of my head asking whether HF puts this much effort in for Kitaman after killing him or for Fuba/Palmar/kelsier/etc lurker town + the remaining shitter townies who are lynching him without reading anything he writes. | ||
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Grack/Kita scum theory Why hasn't Koshi given a read on Kitaman?? You might actually be right. | ||
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On June 17 2018 07:49 Rels wrote: I want to lynch iamp Ok done I'll do that. | ||
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On June 17 2018 07:59 Holyflare wrote: Think rels could just go back to afking in his hovel with a vote on me and get away with it. Grack actually looked into mocsta. Koshi been pleasant. Still didn't read your long posts though | ||
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Really it was mostly Rels though tbh. | ||
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On June 18 2018 07:56 Koshi wrote: So who will die? Exciting times. Fuba | ||
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