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On June 17 2018 02:55 Koshi wrote: And kita vs Mocsta shit during the day makes it unlikely. quotes? | ||
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if you're going to lynch me at least give me another cycle to make posts and reads instead of not killing the afk fucks give me one day to make ammends | ||
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On June 17 2018 03:13 Koshi wrote: Dnu what you are saying but if you are scumreading Rels for predicting the future I dont know what to tell you. I am scum reading rels for saying Superbia was town when superbia did nothing and superbia died. I am also scum reading rels for saying throwing in team mate kita into an arbitrary list of two people he didn't agree with rayn about. | ||
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I'm getting lynched for absolutely no reason | ||
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I don't have any more information to go off of | ||
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even slenderman | ||
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I think that's unfounded bull shit personally | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [1] + On June 09 2018 20:30 Mocsta wrote: Y so srs hf? Lemme give you top tip kita is mafia for going to the effort of splitting kelsier post into mini quotes BiG job right thurr.. and for what??? + Show Spoiler [2] + On June 10 2018 17:35 Mocsta wrote: ##vote: kitamin27 Called me mafia + Show Spoiler [3] + On June 10 2018 21:10 Mocsta wrote: Hi rayn Why is kelsier and superbia shining brightly to you? Aside from a humerous start from superbia . All i see is poking at low hanging fruit with zero insight. Also If anything. I believe kitamin is scummy for his suggestive language with you e.g. "confront" rather than what you point out. This is because i think you are over exaggerating the intensity of his vote on you. Not sure yet if intentional. + Show Spoiler [4] + On June 10 2018 21:26 Mocsta wrote: I like fuba and surprisingly hf. Meh list is pretty big. Favourite is all talk no walk ksc. On my day1 vote list Kitamin or one of palmar/rayn I dont like kitamin. Rayn has some good content and some twisted content. Palmar has the most forced content. Preferring palmar than rayn. Preferring kitamin than palmar. + Show Spoiler [5] + On June 11 2018 07:18 Mocsta wrote: will anyone vote kitamin with me? + Show Spoiler [6] + On June 11 2018 07:31 Mocsta wrote: try hard vote. its parsed to meaningless fluff the content and appear more "analytical" that what it is mafia know the most info day1 and when coupled with our level of play leads this towards a town tell. intentional twisting from kita. mafia!kitamin presenting a damned if you do, damned if you dont argument. its a core facet of the game to confront ppl hunting you. kitamin calls this scummy on the pretense of 3-4 others pressuring.. well fuck me, thats about as standard play as you can get.. why is this now leaning?? scum!kita.. thats why + future point. acknowledges slender is a friend of rayn. Is actively hunting rayn, so i suspect should be asking for rayn for feedback if slender posts content ------Day 2------ + Show Spoiler [7] + On June 11 2018 08:51 Mocsta wrote: #208 regarding me is highly superficial i have discussed rayns kita read. In fact, theres probably 3-4 posts between me + rayn on it. how have I misconstrued anything? for someone that is talking about finding information to narrow things down, you are doing a heck of job of predetermining outcomes. secondly. regarding mafia faux pas, and its converse = town mentality. The only person in my opinion that has actively tried to narrow down things beyond early game is rayn. your #1 target. Since the palmar flip, you can paint your posts in whatever colours you want. The facts remain. You have demonstrated zero disposition to reconsider rayn content. You have demonstrated zero disposition to consider people outside rayn. You have demonstrated disposition towards berating those that did not vote rayn. There is too little content in the game to be tunneled. I find this scummy. #207 is outright stupid. Why should i be focused on team pairings. Associations is always POST FLIP. I thought kita was meant to be an analytical player? + Show Spoiler [8] + On June 11 2018 09:42 Mocsta wrote: #217 stop trying so much and you might see the forest instead of the trees. i didnt mention kita joke post when i was seeking consolidation on him towards EoD. koshi said his first vote would be on town. He voted rels. THis is why i commented, is koshi declaring rels a town read? kelsier belittled his own contribution by claiming it was subject to a skim read. definition of "berate" 100% applies to you. "scold or criticize (someone) angrily." experience says its normally scum that like to shit on player straight after a lynch. In my opinion, you have only considered people outside of rayn in the past hour because you didnt get the lynch you wanted and are now trying to bully those that opposed the o-so-mighty HF. Clearly the next point is conjecture, but i dare surmise that of those you are berating, none were your second lynch option prior to EoD. + Show Spoiler [9] + On June 11 2018 10:33 Mocsta wrote: You seem to hold the same position as Rayn, in that all votes are of the same intensity. Early votes to me are the same as a Finger of Suspicion was back in the day. What matters is how it unfolds which is that when I was seeking Kitamin consolidation, I did not reference the initial joke post. This point/item is simply not worthy of further discourse. As for your query to explain the reference below: In retrospect I can see this is written confusingly. The point I was attempting to make is that kitamin27 is calling me mafia for being "outright wrong/stupid". I find rather that it is townies early game that are more likely to make polarizing / wrong / stupid statements early game simply because of the lack of information and that by nature, extroverted people need external stimuli to draw conclusions P.S. I find half the things you write I have to sit and think deeply about, whereas to you, its clear as daylight. We clearly dot i's and cross t's differently. Noted and accepted on renewed vigour. You can look at people that pushed a town lynch as much as you want; but i dont recall you trying to persuade against a palmar lynch nor you stepping up in his absence when the votes were tight. Meaningless now to question whether you thought he was a terrible lynch choice though so will leave this. + Show Spoiler [10] + On June 12 2018 08:38 Mocsta wrote: ##Vote: Kitaman27 scummy summary list on top of previous stuff + in what world is rayn + mocsta both mafia. + Show Spoiler [11] + On June 12 2018 08:57 Mocsta wrote: literally you held a relatively strong position before on read with no mention of iamp at all. Now everything else is dropped.. pfft. Why not kitaman? + Show Spoiler [12] + On June 12 2018 09:56 Mocsta wrote: what do you make of kitaman27 EoN observation about HF? On one hand, it made me instantly think.. ohh, thats a good observation, interesting. On the other hand, I dont believe there are explicit references to this as frankly, I dont know if HF has a strong read beyond Rayn (and now, presumably Kita). The short story is, do you think this is something someone (i.e Kitaman) can genuinely misrepresent? + Show Spoiler [13] + On June 12 2018 11:55 Mocsta wrote: TS, I take it you are referring to this? + Show Spoiler [quotes] + On June 11 2018 07:48 Grackaroni wrote: It's SHENNANNY time people On June 11 2018 07:50 Grackaroni wrote: I voted perfect. On June 11 2018 07:58 Holyflare wrote: no shenanigans, lynch rayn with all the people that people scum read On June 11 2018 07:58 Grackaroni wrote: I'd rather lynch rayn than Palmar. That's why I'm not switching. On June 11 2018 07:58 Grackaroni wrote: Thought I'm not sure what Rayn is. On June 11 2018 07:59 fuba wrote: ##Vote: Palmar On June 11 2018 08:03 Calix wrote: Palmar reached 5 votes first and is the lynch. On June 11 2018 07:59 Grackaroni wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Rayn On June 11 2018 08:06 Holyflare wrote: lynch grack for either being partners with rayn and wanting credit on his eventual flip or wanting to "appear" to want to vote rayn without actually lynching him On June 11 2018 08:16 kitaman27 wrote: At least fuba is consistent for favoring a Palmar vote over rayn. What did you even mean grack when you said "That's why I'm not switching."? That looks really sketchy. On June 11 2018 08:31 Grackaroni wrote: I wasn't really crazy about either of the lynches so I said that anticipating criticism of Rayn being lynched over Palmar and me throwing away my vote instead of voting a main wagon. On June 11 2018 08:38 kitaman27 wrote: Anticipating criticism? How do you know he wasn't going to flip mafia? For what it's worth a rayn + grack scum team doesn't make a ton of sense in my opinion based on the earlier plea from rayn. meh guess we'll see where the night shot goes and go from there. Well yes.. it does read overly dramatic and devoid of town motivation. The filter prior is nothing shining either. I will throw out there that fuba/Grack vote timestamps are the same. So Grack may have tried to hammer Rayn. I acknowledge Kitaman may have alluded to this when claiming rayn/grack doesnt make sense - however, I suspect that this was more tied to rayns multiple posts about Grack not being mafia. In summary, I am probably most curious to uncover why Grack felt the need to ditch his dead vote on iamp (and possibly hammer) if he didnt feel strongly about either lynch. Also, I dont know how I feel about a kita/grack team. Need to let this sink in more.. + Show Spoiler [14] + On June 12 2018 21:24 Mocsta wrote: Koshi 316/417 Real bad Declares tubesock town based on a post suggesting i am mafia. Then declares me most likely mafia. Blatantly hiding behind others reads. I would like to know if koshi read on kitaman + Show Spoiler [15] + On June 13 2018 07:12 Mocsta wrote: What is this even saying in red and bold? Red = scummy, Point in bold is absolutely neutral, yet is written as townish. What is it... + Show Spoiler [16] + On June 13 2018 07:14 Mocsta wrote: I am seeing the light. I note that Koshi avoided giving me a read on Kitaman too. + Show Spoiler [17] + On June 13 2018 07:18 Mocsta wrote: I believe the Day4 post was a joke in spite.. about how ppl say, we will save HF to the end, and then as mafia he convinces you to vote town.... self-fulfilling prophecy. Can you please walk me through why Rayn delaying on Palmar is so clutch to your case? I think its normal to brush off pressure until more join the party. What actually makes that scummy? Rayn as town is known to OMGUS pretty hard, this doesn't seem to be placed in consideration at all for your read. This is another summary list post blown out like a hot air balloon. + Show Spoiler [18] + On June 13 2018 07:20 Mocsta wrote: Take back comment b4. Didnt see this. What makes you say he is trying hard? all i see is surface level content and questions that lead no where... + Show Spoiler [19] + On June 13 2018 08:01 Mocsta wrote: thats my case in point. admitting to screwing up things is a completely neutral thing. what does genuine have to do with town? what in particular about that exchange leans town, as being bona fide/genuine/authentic by itself is neutral. + Show Spoiler [20] + On June 13 2018 08:19 Mocsta wrote: The observation that rayns reads lines up with thread sentiment to rayn is actually very good. But this is why you are scum kita... Your forte... the associated analysis.. well, its terrible. See, to me, bar KSC.. rayn has organically shown how those reads were reached in my opinion. This makes your observation a coincidence. Like, we cant get hamstrung on the KSC/superbia thing because IT WAS EARLY GAME. and unfortunately, KSC has done fuck all since so there is no genuine opportunity to ask Rayn (or others) to re-evaluate. + Show Spoiler [21] + On June 13 2018 08:21 Mocsta wrote: That is far-fetching. Hes in the top 3 posters this cycle surely. Hes definitely less of a non-factor than: tubesock/Koshi/Rels/KSC/iamperfection/Slenderman + Show Spoiler [22] + On June 13 2018 20:00 Mocsta wrote: Hf Why did you drop kitaman out of your lynch pool + Show Spoiler [23] + On June 13 2018 20:18 Mocsta wrote: HF: We dont play the same and frankly you call me mafia every game no matter what i do, because of this. I'm pretty tired of you getting fixated on round pegs that fit round holes, thinking they should be square. I'm going to keep calling out these posts of yours, so get used to it. This is where i am at anyways Holyflare Rayn fuba kitaman27 tubesock koshi Rels KelsierSC iamperfection Grackaroni TheSlenderMan Holy is intention half green as hes the weakest of my town circle. Whilst the timing of fuba claim is questionable, I am inclined to outright believe it because of the observation Grack identified prior. That observation solidifies Grack as confirmed town for me as well. I think HF is focusing on whats in front of him, cos 40% of the game is AFK. But overall I think the game is solved in that list of red and black. In short this cycle: Kitaman27 >> Koshi >> Anyone else. + Show Spoiler [24] + On June 14 2018 07:22 Mocsta wrote: Obviously you already know the answer to this, so I am expecting that apology.. br0 I also note that you are being aggressively rude this game. something wrong in personal life? or that concerned about your teammate getting lynched? thats a genuine question btw if it didnt come across that way. + Show Spoiler [25] + -----day 3 (kita already dead)----- + Show Spoiler [26] + On June 14 2018 08:08 Mocsta wrote: acknowledged... vindiction  but i prefer koshiwho came out to play when kitaman was in pressure.. koshi who did koshi target.. kitaman primary voter.. me maybe kita/koshi/iamp is possible too. slenderman also comes to my mind rels is still unknown need to recheck why ksc chose iamp over kitaman too on that note, adios + Show Spoiler [27] + On June 16 2018 07:33 Mocsta wrote: I really liked koshi obsercation about same reads as tubesock but different alignments so neither is in my pool. Slender i cant tell is a hipster thinker or turning bullshit stones for thr sake of it. Def not enough for me to consider this cycle. Iamp is trash on the same level as rels. I dont agree with comments that kita intentionally ignored iamp as buddies. The other side of the WIFOM is that s an analytical player i suspect its within kita spectrum to consider that he would be hammered. Thus if he voted iamp to save homself it would confirm iamp. Instead once i vote myself he releases a case to try and flow to me as his prior scum read. So voting for me today is either ksc or hf. Ksc has followed thread sentiment in a sterile way and didnt seem to really want to lynch kitaman. Theres also the odd joke post early game from kota which could be scum banter. My issue with hf all stems this cycle. Since the flip he isnt actively reevaluating and forcing his will like i know him too when town. Instrad no matter what is happening, he still trys to twist actions into me = scum. No reconsideration. Just subtle "dont forget about mocsta". Or the just ad simplr iamp is scum eith no consideration for what i mentioned prior. + Show Spoiler [28] + On June 16 2018 07:35 Mocsta wrote: Ezcellent point and aligns eith what i mentioned too Totally can see kita / hf / ksc as a unit On that note. Its the weekend. Will be back later but aus v france tonight so.... sorry. Priorities + Show Spoiler [29] + On June 16 2018 09:38 Mocsta wrote: Thats as silly an argument as you are purporting for kita avoiding iamp Sometimes regarsleas of desire, things can happen outside our control. + Show Spoiler [30] + On June 16 2018 09:55 Mocsta wrote: dud3 It could have been as easy as you and kita were arguing how to proceed and he demanded the vote swap to iamp which you did late Theory mongering aside Its actually very impressive the conviction and coordination needed to land 2 votes on the phone in less than 1 minute 1. poor attempt to spread mafia intentions to kita based on joke post 2. omgus over nothing???? 3. how is saying "confront" ever scummy language ever? just another instance of mocsta attributing random things to an alignment to push a read 4. "I don't like kita" (for what reasons?????) 5. plz vote kita that nobody wants to lynch even though I'm fine with palmar dying and I haven't given any reasons to scum read kita??? 6. here are some totally fabricated reasons to lynch kita that hf has already pointed out as extremely incorrect and misconstructions (see here) 7. now tries to spread suspicion on me but falls way short because each and every point he raises is factually incorrect and a misconstruction. I had reconsidered rayn, I had just made cases on 3 separate people on why they were mafia and I did not berate a single person. 8. pointless nitpicking 9. tries to say kita is scummy for saying mocsta was scummy for mocsta saying kita was scummy because kita called kelsier scummy as a joke 10. not scummy, rayn and mocsta could easily be mafia together, how does it not make sense? 11. meh 12. "What do you think of kita's observation on hf? I think it's good. Kita is mafia!" 13. kita/grack what? how did he reach that and why? why does it make grack/kita a team? these are all just reaction posts to people 14. koshi's post is bad, he doesn't even have a read on kita even though he does and posted it recently but even then why should he? this whole post is terrible, since when does sheeping a town read make you scummy and even if it's not sheeping then why is it scummy that he scum reads mocsta and so does tube?????????? this is not town thought process 15. This is one of my most disliked mocsta posts because simply put, it doesn't make any sort of sense. not only do the red and black make perfect sense together but somehow mocsta takes a semi town lean and says = completely neutral and therefore kita is mafia because of it. Even if it did say what mocsta thinks it said it's not scummy at all yet he reaches the conclusion it sounds like a town lean (which it was) while saying the evidence is wrong. Nothing about this post makes sense. 16. again, koshi did not avoid giving a read on kita 17. rayn spends the entire cycle saying I'm mafia and actually voting me and kita points it out as it not being a joke and mocsta goes and somehow twists it to saying rayn was just joking. kita's post is also not a "summary post" like mocsta says because it has evidence, a conclusion and motivation all combined into it and mocsta tries to twist it elsewhere 18. opposite of what I saw and opposite of what mocsta has actually been commenting on from kita 19. wrong assumption of town behaviour and says that admitting to screwing up is completely neutral but initially when I voted kita and said I screwed up it wasn't that neutral to him then, now it's even scummy somehow??? 20. "Your points on rayn are very good kita, but this is why you are mafia!"??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? "See, there's exceptions to this read that are unanswered but that's okay because rayn is defo town guys and kita is defo mafia because of this"??????????????? 21. "Rayn has kept up his posting", "No he hasn't", "definitely has in comparison to lurkers" - sidesteps kita's original argument to make it look pointless that kita is posting it, no evaluation here 22. I didn't drop him out of my lynch pool ever. 23. no mention of why koshi is mafia in this post whatsoever, pointless list post that brings nothing new to the table at a time when a list post wasn't needed or asked for 24. HE SCUM READS KOSHI AND ALREADY KNOWS KITA IS FLIPPING MAFIA BEFORE HE HAS AND PREEMPTS THIS BY TELLING KOSHI TO GET READY FOR AN APOLOGY EVEN THOUGH IT WOULD BE KOSHI'S JOB AS MAFIA TO SPREAD THESE THINGS. MOST TMI POST IN FILTER. 25. pointless because obviously someone votes to save themselves so nothing hypocritical about it and detracts from the original point that iamp and slender were scummy lurkers 26. list of a scum team that hasn't really commented on ever and iamp is present in it but for what reason? Later he doesn't want to lynch iamp because of some abstract reason that kita could have played like this if iamp was town??? Still absolutely no reason for iamp missing from his reads to date (he scum reads me and kelsier)??? 27. likes koshi's read on tubesock but tubesock won't go in mocsta's scummy pile so why did he like koshi's tubesock points??? Slender was in his scum list with koshi and iamp and kita and before the lynch he said "if I die lynch this guy" yet apparently slender isn't the lynch today for no discernible reason? this is where he also TMIs that iamp could be town and a reason why kita did what he did as mafia, there's absolutely no reason for this whatsoever other than an excuse to not lynch iamp which... was in mocsta's list post as mafia before and nothing changed but for some reason he's not anymore? the post on me is bull shit because what has mocsta mentioned before this post about iamp that could make him not mafia? the answer is absolutely nothing. Mocsta even scum read iamp. Of course I'd do nothing this cycle when the people I want to lynch are iamp or kelsier or rels or mocsta because 3/4 of them are afk so what does he expect me to do? 28. Not an excellent point anymore after I rebutted it. He comes back later after I did and there's no reevaluation on this post though, he just uses it as further ammunition to keep voting me still??? (look at what I said about fluid reads not existing) 29. apparently I've turned shit at mafia and make no attempt to save my scum partner and fuck up the voting so that I accidentally lynch my partner 30. apparently we argue in scum chat and that's why I didn't want to vote a scummy lurker that I'd have every excuse to lynch over a guy that I wouldn't get much credit over lynching and was my partner and leave it to the last minute to do this is the definition of narrative and it's baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad! where is my town out? There is never EVER one when mocsta refers to me, it's all trying to spin it to the mafia narrative and never a summing up of what makes the most sense | ||
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I've looked at every single one of their interactions, I've ctrl + f mocsta's filter of even EVERY mention of kita (see above) and they are all so meek and trivial and misconstructions that it looks like it's really obvious that they are partners all the things mocsta says about kita are so backwards to reach as a towny thought process that it just looks like a really obvious bus that went down badly | ||
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does anyone even know why mocsta even scum reads me? | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/530739-vendée-globe-16-mafia?page=104#2064 | ||
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