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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 16:24 GMT
#766
am I in some fucking troll game?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 16:55 GMT
#768
On June 17 2018 01:41 iamperfection wrote:
there is no way holyflare is mafia he could have just voted me for the tenth time stop wasting your votes there. vote kelsier.


well I mean I did try and vote for you

but this is the truth
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 17:06 GMT
#770
dunno what to tell you guys

mocsta must be mafia for this because none of the things he has said all game have made the slightest bit of sense

dunno about koshi, I feel like he's pushing in the right spots and then just defaults to shit lynches

grack is opportunistic as fuck

kelsier the same + bad filter

don't understand how it's so hard to lynch the afkers that don't do anything
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 17:07 GMT
#771
On June 17 2018 02:05 Koshi wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Holyflare


Voted hf.

Let iamp pass and is watching cats in trees. Also rayn.


Why should I not let iamp pass? This is a very bad post because voting me is "letting iamp pass".

If I am "letting iamp pass" then why the fuck have I been pushing him the entire game after kita interaction?

don't think his post was as bad as you make it out to be
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 17:08 GMT
#772
especially since it was like 4am and I was playing dota when he posted it so I wasn't concentrating on it and I still don't particularly care what it says
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 17:10 GMT
#773
thing about kelsier's filter is that it's so unbelievably bad and incorrect I also think it's too bad to be mafia

but I'll continue voting him because fuck him if he's town

rels too
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 17:26 GMT
#777
I'll give you a summary of why mocsta is mafia though so maybe you'll do something about it:

1. Picking on things that don't make anyone mafia for illegitimate reasons (Kitaman case was full of incorrect points but when he got corrected he never updated the read, just kept it).

2. Nitpicking incessantly to reach no conclusions. See 90% of his day 1 posts towards me.

3. Continued to scum read kita for non-evolving reasons and not hearing or thinking otherwise.

4. His reads on scummy looking people were too contradictory for absolutely no reason (fuba and rayn day 1 (fuba looks super happy and therefore he's town??? rayn is not scummy because ??????))

5. Inconsistent reads that just get abandoned for no known reasons. (Says Koshi is mafia with Kitaman, calls Slender mafia a bit after that, both reads disappeared, lots of instances of reads like this vanishing).

6. Acting like a dick and attacking the player rather than the posts which if you look in any post-game that Mocsta is in you'll see him comment that this forum is a cesspool because people do that and he would never do it. He does it repeatedly this game and for no good reason.

7. The lead up to the kita lynch. He wants to lynch kita all game but when it comes to it he makes up a reason to vote himself and get off the wagon which enables the iamp wagon to get higher and higher

On June 14 2018 07:32 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2018 07:28 Koshi wrote:
On June 14 2018 07:25 Mocsta wrote:
HF you know what

fuck you.
i want that apology from koshi, and i want to wipe that stupid grin from your face

+ i just got super tied up with EoFY stuff as well

##Unvote
##Vote: Mocsta

I cannot apologize for calling you a dumb townie if you go out like a dumb townie.

Just an fyi.
Well its pointless

im dumb for wanting to vote kita
im dumb for wanting to vote koshi

that only leaves myself..


this was all because koshi called him dumb and koshi was his scum read

On June 14 2018 08:08 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2018 08:06 Holyflare wrote:
Let it be known that I fell for his emotional appeal and wanted to vote iamp. Who is also probably mafia too but still.
acknowledged... vindiction but i prefer koshi

who came out to play when kitaman was in pressure.. koshi
who did koshi target.. kitaman primary voter.. me

maybe kita/koshi/iamp is possible too.

slenderman also comes to my mind
rels is still unknown
need to recheck why ksc chose iamp over kitaman too

on that note, adios


why does koshi leave his pool of scum reads? because of this:

I really liked koshi obsercation about same reads as tubesock but different alignments so neither is in my pool.


but whenever I point out the same thing normally about why this makes someone mafia mocsta has previously said "oh, they can have the same reads but still call someone mafia" so reaching this conclusion is bull shit

8. Why am I in Mocsta's scum list? This observation is why:

On June 16 2018 07:35 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2018 07:19 Tubesock wrote:
On June 14 2018 06:40 kitaman27 wrote:
iamp and slender are going to show up 2 minutes before the deadline and hammer me.

I can feel it.


Why would a mafia say this if one of iamp or Slender are his partners?

He’s worried about losing control of the lynch and wants it in a direction he likes. But he can’t control two of the afkers. But why not all the afkers? Like KelsierSC?

Ezcellent point and aligns eith what i mentioned too

Totally can see kita / hf / ksc as a unit

On that note. Its the weekend. Will be back later but aus v france tonight so.... sorry. Priorities


but when I've contradicted it with "kelsier was already on the wagon" and tube updates his read and acknowledges it, instead Mocsta does not use this new evidence to update his read but he bull shits a read on me and now I'm a vote

9. now that iamp was a likely lynch with 2 votes????? mocsta, after receiving nothing new and learning nothing from iamp's read post and still having unanswered questions switches to me because it's an easy lynch on absolutely anyone right now and I'm the only one calling him potentially mafia left
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 17:30 GMT
#778
On June 17 2018 02:21 Grackaroni wrote:
You didn't really care all that much about Kita or Iamp lynch before the end of the day. I don't see why your thought process would jump to a kita/Iamp scum scenario by seeing Kita not voting Iamp. For one thing I don't see how Iamp is ever worth saving for Kita as scum. To me it just seems like you already know Kita is scum and are using that information to point to Iamp as his partner.
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2018 06:46 Holyflare wrote:
you pretty much just confirmed yourself mafia with iamp kita :D

Show nested quote +
On June 14 2018 07:07 Holyflare wrote:
I just want to point out that Kita is scared of people coming back and voting him and making him a majority so he hasn't voted iamp who has done absolutely nothing and he even made one offhand comment about him doing nothing. He won't vote to save himself? Or even comment on the iamp wagon people/iamp?


Plus EoD Kita posts looked a lot like a last minute attempt to distance from you. And there's the fact that I really doubt Kita + 2 lurker scum team kills Superbia and that seems to be the alternative to HF scum team.


to a lesser player it might look that way

to a person taking votes out of context it might look that way

to an intelligent handsome man that can look at a simple vote count and another player's intentions it's easy to determine that interaction between the largest vote counted player vs the second wagon

it's not fucking rocket science either, how is it hard to reach this conclusion? Iamp is a shitter that has posted nothing, kita (as any alignment) should be worried about being lynched so I theorised that a player that doesn't vote an easy scummy lurker that he even posted about being scummy to save himself must make him mafia together with that person

I put myself in that position as either alignment and thought what I'd do. As town I would just vote to save myself and still make cases/pushes on who I think is mafia. As mafia, if Iamp was my partner I would just try and divert and last minute switch to save myself. If I am mafia and Iamp is town I just vote him and make up some bull shit. Maybe even try shenanigans.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 17:31 GMT
#779
Also to add to the kita thing, his emotional crap really did appeal to me enough that I was actually going to lynch iamp. I looked at the votes, saw everybody I hated on that wagon and saw slenderman (who looked really weird eod) on there and I wanted to bail asap.

and yeah that distancing point is bs really because he was mafia so nothing he says means anything
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 17:31 GMT
#780
didn't make sense to me at the time but if it gets people (like you) to make an excuse to vote me then his plan kind of worked, no?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 17:33 GMT
#781
and yeah I've done nothing purely because I didn't give a shit to do anything, that doesn't make me mafia either

I had a weird buddy thing with iamp because I was playing dota with him at the time, nothing more really


dunno why he's defending me so hard when I did try and lynch him though
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 17:34 GMT
#782
If you want me to do something, putting votes on me seems to be the best way to do it I guess.

I don't think mocsta is town at all though because no information makes him fluidly update his reads. It's all static. You should read his filter and try and determine why his reads shift from A to B. Even if you do kill me, I don't care, just look into his filter and be like "hmm, he said this read, how does this fluidly update?"

the answer is it doesn't
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 17:39 GMT
#784
it's always based on either:

misinformation that when corrected or new evidence comes out he ignores and the read doesn't change
some bull shit tmi defence like on fuba and rayn day 1
rhetoric also based on misinformation on kita and when corrected it doesn't change
his posts on iamp today where iamp could easily be kita's partner but somehow mocsta weaves a narrative where that scenario doesn't make sense and makes that the most likely (tmi iamp is town?)
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 17:44 GMT
#785
There is no chance if I was mafia with kita that I would ever, ever put my partner in that position (if he's actually playing) without creating some kind of counter wagon or securing it.

If I am bussing my partner then I fully expect to get something out of it. Mistakenly lynching my partner is not in my repertoire and you should all feel bad for thinking it is. Being reactive today doesn't make me mafia either, it just makes me busy/lazy/tired and run down and want a chance to do nothing for a bit.

You're all equally guilty of doing that, this game is 40 pages and I am almost 25% of it.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 17:50 GMT
#788
On June 14 2018 06:28 Conversion wrote:

Day 2 Vote Count



iamperfection [3]: iamperfection, Tubesock, KelsierSC
Holyflare [0]: raynpelikoneet
fuba [1]: Grackaroni
kitaman27 [3]: Mocsta, raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet, fuba
raynpelikoneet [0]: kitaman27
Rels [1]: Rels
TheSlenderMan [1]: TheSlenderMan
Koshi [1]: Grackaroni, Koshi, Grackaroni, Holyflare
Mocsta [2]: Koshi, Holyflare, kitaman27



iamperfection is currently the lynch.

The deadline is Wednesday, Jun 13 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in .

If there is an error in the vote count, which there probably is, let me know.




The votes are 4-4 between Kita and Iamp when Mocsta decided to do that bs unvote qq at koshi btw.
On June 14 2018 07:19 Grackaroni wrote:
##unvote
##Vote: Kitaman


On June 14 2018 06:46 Holyflare wrote:
##unvote
##vote iamperfection


On June 14 2018 07:25 Mocsta wrote:
##Unvote
##VotE: Mocsta


what led me to believe kita and iamp are actually partners is that kita DID NOT vote iamp for the LONGEST time until it was almost too late:

On June 14 2018 07:34 Conversion wrote:

Day 2 Vote Count



iamperfection [5]: iamperfection, Tubesock, KelsierSC, Koshi, Holyflare
Holyflare [0]: raynpelikoneet
fuba [1]: Grackaroni
kitaman27 [4]: Mocsta, raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet, fuba, Grackaroni
raynpelikoneet [0]: kitaman27
Rels [1]: Rels
TheSlenderMan [1]: TheSlenderMan
Koshi [0]: Grackaroni, Koshi, Grackaroni, Holyflare
Mocsta [1]: Koshi, Holyflare, kitaman27



iamperfection is currently the lynch.

The deadline is Wednesday, Jun 13 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in .

If there is an error in the vote count, which there probably is, let me know.

Also a reminder that you cannot intentionally self-vote. Your vote will not move and will not be counted if you vote for yourself.

On June 14 2018 07:38 TheSlenderMan wrote:
##Vote: Kitaman27

On June 14 2018 07:39 Mocsta wrote:
##Vote: Koshi

^ notice in between this mocsta votes koshi who has no chance of getting lynched, so why?

On June 14 2018 07:50 Mocsta wrote:
##Unvote: ##Vote: Kitaman27

On June 14 2018 07:51 kitaman27 wrote:
##unvote
##vote iamp

On June 14 2018 07:57 iamperfection wrote:
##Vote: Kitaman27


Iamp also does not vote to save himself until the last second either

so what could lead a good player (kita) who has scum read iamp and has no actual chance of getting anyone like rayn or mocsta lynched right then not vote to save himself until the last possible second when it's pretty much already too late?

because they are partners, iamp does the exact same thing or at least that's what my gut/head/intuition said

and mocsta in between all this just did nothing but try and shift blame and qq and only put his vote back on kita when it didn't even matter and because of what reason? some inane bull shit
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 17:52 GMT
#789
On June 17 2018 02:45 Grackaroni wrote:
You killed Jealous last game in the same way?


Jealous did not play.
Before the deadline I tried to shenanigan at least 4 different players to try and stop him getting lynched.
I would look bad if I did not vote jealous and he flipped the next cycle.
I took mad credit for lynching him and being the hammer.

Compared to this game where I tried 0 shenanigans
wanted to switch off him last second
got no credit for lynching him accidentally
thought both iamp and kita may have been partners so didn't care about who got lynched
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 17:54 GMT
#790
Can you explain to me what about mocsta's filter makes him look town? I really don't see anything there that does. Purely that he pushed kita? Is that the only reason?

Have you read his reasons for wanting to lynch kita?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 17:56 GMT
#793
On June 11 2018 06:22 Rels wrote:
I agree with almost everything rayn said. Apart from a few things like kita and Grack. But the rest, I agree. In particular, I think the Superbia post where he lists his scumteam makes him town, and rayn seeing this when nobody else did makes him town too.

I don't like neither Palmar or iamp - Palmar's stuff on rayn is very weird. It's a weird mix of a joke and a serious read that I can only see coming from scum!Palmar - town!Palmar is blunt. I want to lynch him the most.

Koshi is weird. He was weird last game too though. But here he is saying I'm hiding behind my D1 activity when I'm super active as scum, and that's bad.


Rels makes this game impossible and it's bull shit. This post is very ridiculous with what happened with the nk and kita actually being mafia though.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 17:56 GMT
#794
I might lynch rels.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 16 2018 17:56 GMT
#795
On June 17 2018 02:55 Koshi wrote:
Mocsta also voted kita when he just as easily could have stayed on me. Or why not go to iamp? Even if iamp is mafia better kill him over kita.

Dnu. I will not vote Mocsta with rayn dieing.

He said Mocsta was town. I am ok with that.


he also said I was mafia so he wasn't that great
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