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kitaman27
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On June 13 2018 07:18 Mocsta wrote:
Can you please walk me through why Rayn delaying on Palmar is so clutch to your case?
I think its normal to brush off pressure until more join the party. What actually makes that scummy?
It's the way it goes from 1-line post about Palmar's read being in-genuine to suddenly being 100% absolutely no doubt, I'm never changing my vote, full blown mafia.
I wouldn't even consider that the clutch part of the case. The way his reads form on other players is just as bad. He goes full steam ahead against me after I voted him and asked him to explain a comment, as if I was completely incapable of thinking someone was mafia very early in the game yet wanting more information to understand his thought process. Instead, he represents me as having no interest in what he has to say. I think it was a completely reasonable question, especially considering he has 4 one liner posts total before that.
Then the interaction with HF where he dramatically announces that he "caught HF" as if he discovered some giant scum slip just seems so over emphasized to be legit.
On June 13 2018 07:18 Mocsta wrote:
Rayn as town is known to OMGUS pretty hard, this doesn't seem to be placed in consideration at all for your read.
I'll concede that point, but it's not just 1-2 instances in this case. Basically his reads line up 100% with peoples viewpoint on him.
Palmar votes rayn -> Palmar is mafia
kita votes rayn -> kita is mafia
iamp votes rayn -> iamp is mafia
koshi shares that he would have voted rayn -> koshi is mafia
HF attacks rayn -> HF is mafia
Meanwhile guys like you, grack, rels, superbia who are leaving him alone he's totally fine with.
I think the way that he lashes out at the people who attack him is scummy in this instance because he already has a block of 4 players voting against him and scum reading a player outside the remaining pool is a real risk from his perspective. There's just too many examples this game where that happens.
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kitaman27
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On June 13 2018 08:01 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2018 07:34 kitaman27 wrote:On June 13 2018 07:12 Mocsta wrote:On June 12 2018 22:40 kitaman27 wrote:
Alright I'm mostly caught up. I should have more time to play after this evening.
I'm not really sure what to make of the superbia shot as his day one was rather lackluster.
Tube looks pretty good now that he's entered the thread. Koshi I kinda have a gut read as the townish side of null for #198. Grack's reasoning for his vote pattern was scummy, but the way he admitted to screwing up rather than trying to justify things seems a bit genuine.
I don't want to lynch into anyone other than rayn or mocsta this cycle at this point. More on them when I get the chance. What is this even saying in red and bold? Red = scummy, Point in bold is absolutely neutral, yet is written as townish. What is it... I lean town on him if it wasn't clear. thats my case in point. admitting to screwing up things is a completely neutral thing. what does genuine have to do with town? what in particular about that exchange leans town, as being bona fide/genuine/authentic by itself is neutral.
On June 11 2018 08:06 Grackaroni wrote:
err uhh...
Yeah that one's on me.
On June 11 2018 08:48 Grackaroni wrote:
lol idk what to say I bungled it.
These in particular I found town sounding. From my experience mafia players typically try to justify their mistakes as if they had a valid reason for being responsible for a scummy looking action.
While I completely disagree with his town reads on you and rayn, don't think he really misrepresented my case too badly, I just think he's mostly wrong.
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kitaman27
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On June 13 2018 07:29 Mocsta wrote:
rayn has kept up activity, logic and his new writing style.
What? He's been a non-factor this cycle.
The only the he even mentions me is "kitaman is not town. can you please go and read what i have wrote on him and actually think about it?".
Then he catches HF but has done not much at all to get him lynched.
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kitaman27
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I'll pretend you don't exist if you vote rayn again.
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kitaman27
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Oh hiya rayn 
It seems increasingly unlikely that I'm going to be able to get you lynched today since nobody wants to listen to a word I say. Your latest points totally misrepresent my play but I'll get to that later.
At least a few people are picking up on Mocsta's utter nonsense he has been spewing in the thread all game. His lynch would be much better than the alternatives at this point.
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kitaman27
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NOOOOOOO
Koshi cmon man. Lets lynch Mocsta first. He has a way higher chance of flipping scum.
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kitaman27
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About to drive home. Will be back in a bit.
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kitaman27
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iamp and slender are going to show up 2 minutes before the deadline and hammer me.
I can feel it.
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kitaman27
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On June 14 2018 06:46 Holyflare wrote:
you pretty much just confirmed yourself mafia with iamp kita :D
Mocsta has a way higher chance of flipping mafia. If you're town you have to see that pretty easily.
iamp is a shot in the dark. We eventually have to deal with the inactives, but not when we have scum staring right if front of us. I think slender comes off a bit worse out of the inactives tbh.
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kitaman27
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On June 14 2018 07:07 Holyflare wrote:
I just want to point out that Kita is scared of people coming back and voting him and making him a majority so he hasn't voted iamp who has done absolutely nothing and he even made one offhand comment about him doing nothing. He won't vote to save himself? Or even comment on the iamp wagon people/iamp?
You're sure right I'm scared about getting mislynched. But I'm not suddenly going to be in favor of an iamp lynch when we have way better options. iamp is about as null as you can get for me right now. As for the wagon, I don't actually see a problem with most of the people on it. Tube looks town. Koshi seems okayish, but I gotta re-read why he prioritizes iamp over mocsta. ksc i have no idea, and you I'm mostly just frustrated you aren't pushing mocsta more while softing useless garbage about why I potentially look bad.
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kitaman27
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On June 14 2018 07:14 Koshi wrote:
I dont understand why kita his posts became so boring and panic indusing while rayn his posts became interesting and worth to read.
lol cell phone mostly. Can't filter or type anything XD
Walking in the door atm.
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kitaman27
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A summary for why Mocsta is mafia
1) His opening post attacking my joke about KSC's pre-game post and stating that I put in way too much effort as if I was trying to gain town cred.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 09 2018 08:09 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2018 08:03 iamperfection wrote:On June 08 2018 20:57 KelsierSC wrote:
Considering how this community has apparently become a podium for people to talk about how busy their lives are and how much they have going on, this game seems like a good idea.
It's true though, people who play mafia are in fact the only people in the entire world who have a full time job and adult responsibilities...please get over yourselves.
/in
This guy is a dick i dont like dicks i would like to lynch Vote## KelsierSC2 Show nested quote +On November 30 2017 06:39 KelsierSC wrote:
just too busy for stuff like mafia anymore. Show nested quote +On November 28 2017 03:10 KelsierSC wrote:
just way too busy and then when it got to the weekend had things to catch up on because my week was so hectic. Show nested quote +On November 24 2017 03:34 KelsierSC wrote:
work is busy and martial arts/gym takes up too much time =) Show nested quote +On July 17 2016 01:35 KelsierSC wrote:
I am far too busy to be hanging around in the thread. Show nested quote +On March 07 2015 00:14 KelsierSC wrote:
Gotta go. Busy day so probably not on till later. I feel myself returning to top form already. Vote## KSC On June 09 2018 23:32 Mocsta wrote:
You dont think its weird to dig for quotes from 2015?
Too stupid to be conceived pregame and too much effort for a game we are too busy to play.
2) The way he interprets my vote on rayn. He thinks I'm mafia, but makes a post suggesting that I'm making a feeler vote, which is a conflict in logic from his perspective.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 10 2018 21:10 Mocsta wrote:
If anything. I believe kitamin is scummy for his suggestive language with you e.g. "confront" rather than what you point out. This is because i think you are over exaggerating the intensity of his vote on you. Not sure yet if intentional.
3) The way he interacts with rayn. On day one he always brings up rayn as a potential person to vote, but based on his filter it seems pretty clear that he would never be willing to vote rayn as if he wants those posts to be in his filter for later, but would never act on them. His town read on rayn just doesn't feel natural. It's hard to explain.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 10 2018 21:26 Mocsta wrote:
On my day1 vote list
Kitamin or one of palmar/rayn
I dont like kitamin.
Rayn has some good content and some twisted content.
Palmar has the most forced content.
Preferring palmar than rayn.
Preferring kitamin than palmar. On June 11 2018 07:46 Mocsta wrote:
i gotta go to a meeting.
If no one will vote kitamin i have to choose between palmar/rayn.
I think rayn is still least likely to be scum in this group.
I say so because he gives me the impression of being willing to die by the sword he forged.
he is maintaining his will to post differently.
he is maintaining his reads, instead of throwing shit out there to see what sticks.
in short, he is doing what himself what he read superbia/ksc town for: i.e. playing solo - without a team.
So, Palmar...
I have nothing new to add then what others have commented other than I have mentally noted his extremely light and delicate "scummy" comment about kita.
##Vote: Palmar
4) That really weird conversation with tube and HF. I really don't see a town motivation for that one the way he brings me up with tube as if he is trying to work together. It seems like a real buddying attempt. And then later he has a back for forth with HF (don't really have time to pull all the quotes) where it seems confrontational, yet at no point to I really believe that he believes that HF is mafia just reading through the posts. Then he throws out a bunch of really weak points that are quickly shot down and just sticks with it as if it makes sense.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 12 2018 09:22 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2018 09:04 Tubesock wrote:On June 12 2018 08:57 Mocsta wrote:
literally you held a relatively strong position before on read with no mention of iamp at all.
Now everything else is dropped.. pfft.
Why not kitaman? I could vote you also. NK kinda implicates you as well since Superbia was suspicious but then kinda not. But he was pretty flaky on his read so he could probably be a threat to you as well. Why is iamperfection town to you? Because he is bored and not interested in the game? You don’t think a mafia wouldn’t say that to keep lurking? Kitaman is on the funny side of town, so as I said earlier I won’t vote him. Although if Kita does flip mafia then I’ll believe you’re Town so there’s that. i'm trembling that you could vote me tubesock. The only thing the NK suggests is that mafia may have been concerned about N1 power roles - specifically medic dodge. Nothing is directly implicated as you infer. Who said iamp is town to me? I am commenting on your lack of consistency and after-the-event 'white knighting'. If you want my iamp read, given over 50% of the game is also crap posting or lurking, its firmly null. When are you planning to base your Kitaman read on content, as opposed to joviality? On June 12 2018 09:56 Mocsta wrote:
The short story is, do you think this is something someone (i.e Kitaman) can genuinely misrepresent?
5) Finally, everyone's unwillingness to vote him.
If Mocsta was town and attacked me with that obvious joke post at the start of the game, don't you think a bunch of mafia would pounce on it in an instant? I know that's a wifom argument, but there are too many people just throwing out a town read on mocsta because he's too weird to be mafia, but isn't reading the junk that he's posting. Now today his lynch isn't gaining traction in the least bit.
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kitaman27
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On June 14 2018 07:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:Kita your 2012 tactics dont work here. Why didnt you make the case 2 days ago?
I did. But you clearly know that because you read my filter, right?
On June 13 2018 00:39 kitaman27 wrote:Now on to Mocsta... Show nested quote +On June 09 2018 20:30 Mocsta wrote:
kita is mafia for going to the effort of splitting kelsier post into mini quotes
BiG job right thurr.. and for what??? Show nested quote +On June 09 2018 23:32 Mocsta wrote:
You dont think its weird to dig for quotes from 2015?
Too stupid to be conceived pregame and too much effort for a game we are too busy to play. He starts off the game accusing me of being mafia for my joke post about KSC because I'm putting in too much effort. 1) KSC's post was made pre-game and obviously can't be interpreted as alignment indicative 2) I clearly wasn't trying to argue that KSC was mafia by poking fun at his busy comment 3) In what world do I think I'm going to earn myself town cred as mafia but throwing together a bunch of quotes. Who here looked at that post as thought "wow look at that! kita really is try harding this game. Town leader material for sure"? Show nested quote +On June 11 2018 07:31 Mocsta wrote:mafia know the most info day1 and when coupled with our level of play leads this towards a town tell. intentional twisting from kita. I called him out for the forced read and then he immediately spins it back to me. It's pretty clear that he's already made up his mind that I'm mafia at this point. His explanation about how mafia know more info day 1 isn't relevant in the slightest to the fact that he is suspicious of my joke post. The fact that rayn instantly town reads mocsta is what creeps me out even more. No way a town rayn takes a look at mocsta's try hard KSC post argument and finds it valid. He conveniently never actually comments on that, rather than instantly shooting it down the bad logic like HF. Show nested quote +On June 10 2018 21:10 Mocsta wrote:
i think you are over exaggerating the intensity of his vote on you. Then he follows up his attack on me by calling the way I treated rayn as scummy. However he ignores that argument that's being made. This post seems as if he views my vote on rayn as an early game feeler vote to get a reaction from rayn, but why would he take this perspective if Mocsta thinks I'm mafia? If I'm mafia then vote intensity seems irrelevant since I'm trying to push the mislynch. Furthermore, he ignores the rayn town read on grack as part of my case and focuses only on the Palmar stuff, while ignoring the way rayn goes about it. Show nested quote +On June 12 2018 15:03 Mocsta wrote:
Regardless of fuba/grack being the same timestamp, grack 90% sealed rayn fate when he voted iamp.
kita/grack/?iamp? as a 3-way? Why regardless? Isn't that relevant? What are you trying to argue here? That me and grack conspired to keep rayn alive? rayn reached majority first so he was getting lynched at the time of the iamp vote, which means we had to anticipate the fuba vote, and then have grack ready for the failed hammer in an effort to get one townie lynched over another townie? That all seems so convoluted that I'm really struggling that think that you actually believe it as a scenario rather than just throwing out random stuff as an attempt to make it seem like you're trying to figure things out.
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kitaman27
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On June 14 2018 07:38 Mocsta wrote:
##Vote: Koshi
BAHAHAHA.
I'm his number one scum read all game long and he doesn't want to be responsible for my lynch?
Look at the hypocrisy people. It's not too late to start a wagon of justice.
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kitaman27
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On June 14 2018 07:40 iamperfection wrote:
people realize there is a reason i dont play anymore right? I'm in a very different situation now.
Would you consider Mocsta?
Look at his throw away vote on koshi.
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kitaman27
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rayn, you honestly look at mocsta's koshi vote and still think he's town?
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kitaman27
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lol maybe it's HF afterall. The fact that he's just sitting around letting Mocsta and rayn have their way looks terrible.
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kitaman27
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Well I guess I shouldn't have signed up then. Nobody obviously cares about playing this game, except rayn and mocsta and they're both scum.
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kitaman27
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Heh 46 games as town. I've never been mislynched up until now.
I guess all things good must come to an end 
I'm sure I share the blame for not effectively pushing my thoughts, but oh well.
Can we just lynch iamp and give myself a chance to redeem myself? I have a ton of time from here on out.
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kitaman27
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On June 14 2018 07:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can you just say who is mafia?
I honestly really think that it's you, mocsta and one lurker with an outside chance of HF.
I know that's not going to earn your vote, but I'm not going to suddenly change my mind when I'm in trouble. I promise to re-evaluate you if I've somehow been misreading this game all along if I'm alive next cycle, but that seems doubtful.
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