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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 10 2018 13:35 GMT
#133
For the record i am extremely unlike to change my vote ever when me or Palmar are alive in this game just because Palmar needs to die as he is mafia which i will give 99% chance, or needs to answer his stupidity of a start by dying which i give about 1% chance.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 10 2018 16:12 GMT
#139
On June 11 2018 00:45 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2018 16:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Screw it i don't really think Grackaroni is mafia either.


I have no idea about grack at this point, but the fact that you float this one out there when you likely need his vote is scummy. I can see you liking him for including Palmar on his list, but considering it's along side your town read Superbia and Rels who hasn't posted yet it, it doesn't seem like you'd be able to justify a town read based out of a 1/3 list post.

But you just called him town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 10 2018 16:16 GMT
#142
haha this is funny.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 10 2018 16:17 GMT
#143
I don't "need Grack's vote" if we are both mafia and since you think i am mafia, even for that specific read (which is once again a fucking horrible narrative that you created by yourself and that has nothing to do with reality) then Grack has to be town.

But it's okay, you can give away more alignments.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 10 2018 16:21 GMT
#144
I mean, Kelsier ptrobably remembers the instance where he called VE mafia for "pocketing rayn" and after 12 hrs when i asked him he couldn't tell if i am town or not but VE was still mafia. same shit, always mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 11 2018 04:46 GMT
#224
Hey Superbia and Rels. Could you guys talk to me? Mocsta is town and Holyflare is super tunneled so i am just going to ignore him for the rest of the game.

I understand i am probably going to get lynched tomorrow what you guys need to do after that is lynch kitaman. Mocsta is correct in that kitaman is over and over again presenting a damned if you do, damned if you dont arguments. Look at what i said about him earlier. Look at Mocsta's posts. Look at the time where he says "nothing is set in stone and i am constantly reconsidering" or some bs like that, when i confronted him about already deciding i am mafia and then still questioning Palmar. Then Palmar answers his question with "scummy post" comment and look at all the amount of him reconsidering. Do you think an "answer" like that should make him reconsider? I mean like, at best the dude is the worst hypocrite in the game and i do not really think that is what town!kitaman is. Also there is the calling Grackaroni town.

Superbia talk to me about iamperfection. The guy has been a total trashcan in this game and from what i know he is a trashcan when he is mafia, so yeah, i can easily see him being mafia. I just couldn't see 3 mafia jumping on me like that because it's very retarded thing to do in my opinion regardless of the outcome of the lynch.

I kind of sorta agree with fuba being weird. Otherwise i would think he is mafia but there was a time where he made a post where he already set in voting for me and decided against it in the end. I mean if i was fuba i would totally lynch rayn who plays over garbage Palmar. I am not sure why he wouldn't as scum do that?

Grackaroni is probably still not scum, because kitaman is scum, and if he was scum he would most likely have made sure i get lynched.

Koshi can be mafia. I actually thought at the same thing Mocsta did earlier, that the vote on Rels was a "vote on townie", like he said lol. It's probably not what he meant but now that Rels has actually posted stuff, Koshi should do something. We will see, he can easily be mafia anyways.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 11 2018 05:21 GMT
#225
I'll try to make a couple of these reads more understandable. Normally when you search for mafia you question things and search for answers for what you feel like you don't understand or can't make a decision on. Then you make a decision and act on it. What kitaman does is he already has found his answer (and i am not talking about if he is right or wrong because townies can be wrong ofc -- but the important part is he clearly has found an answer) but after that he is still trying to look like he is looking for answers. That's not a way townies ever operate in this game. No matter how good or bad you are it's just not a way you operate, ever.

I understand what you are saying about strength of votes Mocsta, but that is something i am not talking about here. I am mostly talking about this post:
When you said that Palmar's post couldn't have been genuine it read more like "I haven't posted anything wrong yet so he can't possibly have caught me". Your claim that the initial Palmar post was relevant scumhunting doesn't carry much weight considering the comment was made in passing and you don't directly confront him until now after 3-4 people start pressuring you.

Read this post very carefully. That is a scumread. If this is your read, and you believe it, why do you ever feel like you need to reconsider. He earlier said he wanted me to explain my stance. At that point the votes on me had already happened, so how can whatever i say change his mind??? There is simply no answer i can give that should make him think oterwise he says in this post, so why ask the question in the first place? It doesn't make any sense.

Second instance is the one where he asks Palmar about his read on me. Two things to note here:
1) The thing i quoted above is already what he thinks, and there is no way i am mafia with Palmar, again a completely pointless question he cannot possibly achieve anything from
2) Let's imagine (1) is incorrect and he thinks he can actually gain something from Palmar's answer. Palmar answers with a one-liner post that doesn't show anything but ignorance towards the game. Where does this "reconsidering my reads" that kitaman so roots for ever show? Absolutely nowhere, he never even touches Palmar's answer with a long stick while that is the KEY POINT to where he stands in this game regarding reads and if he is right or wrong.

I call fucking bullshit.

-----------------

On fuba, this is the post i am talking about:
On June 11 2018 01:57 fuba wrote:
Though having just seen the vote count - that's a lot of pretty good players on one person... Unless they're all scum (or even 2/3 of them are scum) I could just be wrong :S

If fuba is mafia i believe this is a clear set up for voting for me. Like, think about it, assume i am town and you are fuba. What do you do after this? Noone will ever blame you for voting for me (especially since HF and kitaman are hc rooting for my lynch). What would you do in that situation? Do you vote for garbage Palmar or do you vote for me here? Because i know i would always vote for me.

I'd love some input on this in case you think otherwise.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 11 2018 05:24 GMT
#226
Yeah okay the only instance i can see is if fuba is mafia with exactly kitaman and iamperfection and they all don't want to be on the same train (while it doesn't matter here at all, i don't think they would think so though as mafia team) so i am not completely certain.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 11 2018 05:50 GMT
#227
Another thing to note regarding iamperfection is that noone aside from superbia has really not tried to present him as a lynch candidate. I think it would be beneficial for mafia to do so in case he is town, have three mislynch targets to discuss instead of two. Funny fact is this point stands even if i was mafia, actually even more, so basically noone can even argue against it.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 11 2018 06:11 GMT
#228
Actually Koshi has to be the third mafia. this post here:
On June 11 2018 08:11 Koshi wrote:
I am not lying. But I would have voted rayn over Palmer.
I care more for the no commitment blunt short stuff than rayn his boring long winded stuff.

But I was playing HS.

This doesn't make any sense at all. First of all Koshi hasn't read any of my posts as he claims. Therefore he cannot have a reason to think i am mafia. Second, Koshi literally said in the last game's obs qt that "Holyflare lately has always pushed mafia agenda as town", so it doesn't make any sense Koshi would so easily follow Holyflare on this lynch. Third, i do not for a second believe Koshi would be so ignorant as town that he doesn't care enough to come to the thread at the deadline. Like yeah, Koshi can seem ignorant and all that shit, but not ignorant enough to not either vote for his scumread or choose a better one of two lynches, and i don't see any possibility of Koshi actually thinking Rels is mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 12 2018 05:03 GMT
#272
There is no such thing as medic dodge in this game.
Why aren't you dead Holyflare?
Also explain me this:
He made a case on kita that made him "definitely mafiaa", that went nowhere and he forgot all about it or certainly didn't want to push it over a palmar read that's based off of one post and shit.

Yeah i did that. It doesn't make me mafia. You are very very likely lying here since we just came out of a game where i decided to not vote for a guy who also happened to be you who is was completely 100% certain is mafia over another dude who ia originally had no idea about but whose play i just hated. I find it simply unbelieveable you actually believe that.
He voted Palmar who he knows can't play on a weekend based on absolutely 0 content and said it was a definitive scum read based on nothing.

This is a blantant lie. I did not vote for Palmar based on 0 content, that's just simply untrue.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 12 2018 05:04 GMT
#273
On June 12 2018 08:34 TheSlenderMan wrote:
I also want to mention that the possibility of a kitaman-rayn Scum-duo is something my gut finds plausible.

Here is another thing i find almost impossible to believe someone believes to be true. So you might want to elaborate on this Slendy.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 12 2018 05:08 GMT
#275
Medic save doesn't do anything so medic is an useless role, why would you ever medic dodge?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 12 2018 05:11 GMT
#277
On June 12 2018 14:10 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2018 14:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Medic save doesn't do anything so medic is an useless role, why would you ever medic dodge?
i genuinely dont follow this logic?

1-shot doctor enables a one-time KP protect?

Or you are arguing that game state is so murky that medic dodge is pointless?

LYLO comes the same day regardless of if someone is saved or not so effectively a medic save does nothing.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 12 2018 05:15 GMT
#278
wait i miscounted, nevermind. :D
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 12 2018 05:17 GMT
#280
Anyways, i am just going to say that if Holyflare still believes i am mafia i am going to entertain lynching myself but then you must lynch him after since he is mafia 100%. Rels knows why!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 12 2018 05:23 GMT
#282
yes
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 12 2018 05:25 GMT
#284
Nothing has changed for me since N1 except that i am not sure about Holyflare, not sure about Slendy and tubesock is town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 12 2018 05:28 GMT
#285
On June 12 2018 14:25 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2018 14:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yes
is that purely by association with kita?

no, he just came out of a game where he played quite townie. I would assume he would try to emulate that as mafia since he sure as hell is capable of it. Also the eod1 incriminates him for those black-and-white thinkers (which this game is apparently full of) and there is not really any scum reason for him to do what he did unless he wants to gain my trust which isn't really hot fuzz atm.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 12 2018 05:31 GMT
#286
##vote kitaman27
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