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That list hurts, rayn 😭 | ||
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I think GB seems genuine, and I kinda like his reasoning on HF (enough to lean very lightly scum on HF). I'm a fan of jealous's drawings but I can understand rayn voting him for them. I can get behind GB's grack vote, but not for the reason he said. I just think it's pointless to come in and say "I have no thoughts.". I have to reread LS, because I feel like he's posted an ok amount but I can't remember anything he's really said. My vote would currently be on grack, lurker, or a distant HF. | ||
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On May 25 2018 20:06 Rels wrote: Why are you talking about LS being scum in 99% of your post, then voting another dude ? What are your thoughts on his LS reasoning? | ||
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On May 27 2018 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: fuba do you have a read on LS? Finally caught up. Sorry - I'm moving in a week and spent all day yesterday getting things set up :/ Only real thing that stuck out about ls to me is that he keeps commenting on people not participating, but hasn't voted. Not definitive, but doesn't make me feel particularly good about him. I liked kpshi originally, but I really like your case on him. | ||
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On May 27 2018 04:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: Is there a reason you said you need to reread LS and then made a series of posts about not LS? I mean the last time you were around and posted. He was the only one who posted a good deal that I didn't get a feeling about either way when I first read through. | ||
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On May 27 2018 04:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like in your filter you said this, especially the bolded part. Then you go to work. Then when you come back after, you make some comments on other stuff. Because i think the thing you said you wanted to do is LS, and that should result to something. Did you not do it after all or what? Did it and had no feelings~ | ||
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On May 27 2018 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why do you single out LS there after saying "i don't think scum have participated heavily yet"? Where, in my first post? Singled out LS because of the reasons I said a second ago lol | ||
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On May 27 2018 05:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah i know but LS had participated heavily at that point, no? So how can you have those two thoughts simultaneously? One post was like a day and a half ago or something, and the other was 10 minutes ago. | ||
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On May 27 2018 05:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah i know but LS had participated heavily at that point, no? So how can you have those two thoughts simultaneously? Oh - I think I get what you're asking. Guess I can kind of abbreviate my previous thought to "I don't thing those who have posted a ton are scum, but I haven't read ls too closely apparently, so this might not apply to him." | ||
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On May 27 2018 05:25 Holyflare wrote: rayn you're not even voting koshi? This is starting to bother me. I know rayn can be stubborn (at least that's how I consider him), but I think he's actually on to something with Koshi and he's still not voting him to sit on a policy lynch. I don't think they're both scum together, and I still thought rayn was town, but there's stubborn and there's this. | ||
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Koshi's whole "GB, use this post to defend yourself later" thing seems genuine town. | ||
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On May 27 2018 07:57 Holyflare wrote: I don't think a fuba vote is that good. I've already said his rayn paranoia looked genuine enough for me and I feel bad that he's always a day 1 lynch. I'm always a thought as a day 1 lynch - rarely goes through though. | ||
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On May 27 2018 19:05 Koshi wrote: Mufasa was voting me. Sad days. Yeah, sorry g even after I didn't want to vote you I had nowhere else to go 😢 | ||
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On May 28 2018 17:53 byj wrote: nope :/ Any thoughts on relax or DF, byj? Sorry if you've mentioned something before - I am incapable of filtering atm. | ||
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Also, I'm down for a DF lynch. His list post is basically his biggest contribution, and one of his top town reads was scum, with the rest being town for flimsy reasons. The second half of it is basically saying what he doesn't think, rather than what he does think. It attempts to discredit others without giving us much of an idea of his thoughts. | ||
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Anyone else super paranoid of HF scum? If DF is scum, I think HF should be next. | ||
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On May 27 2018 04:52 fuba wrote: Finally caught up. Sorry - I'm moving in a week and spent all day yesterday getting things set up :/ Only real thing that stuck out about ls to me is that he keeps commenting on people not participating, but hasn't voted. Not definitive, but doesn't make me feel particularly good about him. I liked kpshi originally, but I really like your case on him. Leaving out the one post that matters 🙃 | ||
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On May 29 2018 05:37 Rels wrote: Why didn't you switch from Koshi to Jealous or DF at the time you posted "I reread Koshi's filter and it's not that bad" near the deadline ? I didn't believe jealous was scum, but was ok with him as a policy lynch. I wasn't gonna vote him, but wasn't really too upset with him as an option. And I had little thought on DF. I definitely wasn't gonna pop in and vote DF with no personal reasoning 20 minutes before EOD. I guess since I was viewing Koshi as town, the smarter thing would have been to switch my vote to someone who was definitely not being lynched, but I didn't consider that at the time. Shenannies are for people who have had the time and have given a good deal of thought to what they're doing - I didn't have that. | ||
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On May 29 2018 05:46 Rels wrote: ? I thought you didn't vote Jealous because rayn was on him: And voting a null read over a townread is kinda weird too Why would rayn being on him affect my thoughts on jealous? Rayn being on jealous instead of Koshi affected my thoughts on rayn. Early game I'm almost always voting null over town. Not sure what the alternative is when I don't have strong scum reads. | ||
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On May 29 2018 05:47 Rels wrote: not voting* Ah, yeah. I covered that tho. | ||
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If you're asking why, in that case, I didn't switch to jealous over Koshi - it's probably because jealous was already getting lynched, Koshi was already not, and I was trying to find actual scum to switch to instead of what I saw as a kind of lateral move. | ||
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On May 30 2018 03:26 Koshi wrote: You need to read him differently. Figure it out. For me it is personally. Well this time I substituted rayn for it. Maybe he is mafia though. But w.e. I dont think he is more likely mafia than fuba. Not even close. He could have lynched other people. I could have lynched other people. | ||
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On May 29 2018 19:57 Koshi wrote: Oh well. I cannot not vote fuba. Hiding his alignment and very low content. Superficial read if he had a read. Quite amazing the baddies lynch me over that. What does "hides his alignment" mean? And you can totally not vote Fuba - just switch to DF Also, I'm always very low content, that's nai. You're saying the scummiest person in the thread is the one who agreed with the only confirmed townies case enough to start the wagon (though that happened to be a wagon on you, so I guess I could understand some animosity in that regard, assuming you're town). Aside from a slight downturn in activity, this is pure town Fuba play. I'm not sure you're scum, and I think GB might switch back to DF if his HF vote isn't doing anything. I don't like that DFs vote is on you. Then we only need one other person to not throw their vote away~ | ||
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On May 30 2018 05:31 Holyflare wrote: Why do you not like that his vote is on koshi but don't mind that 2 other people are? Why do you have a problem with me trying to get Koshi to vote for DF? | ||
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On May 30 2018 05:36 Rels wrote: It's very unlikely that DF is scum if Koshi is not. Because his last post EOD1 was him agreeing on rayn's Koshi case. He could have easily voted Koshi at any time after that point, saving Jealous in the process; and he didn't. Then perhaps Koshi is scum. Either way, there's no reason for him to sit on me when he could potentially save himself by voting DF as either alignment. | ||
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On May 30 2018 06:07 Holyflare wrote: Because I think koshi is mafia because he's not voting df lol So let's see if he'll do it when he has no reason not to. | ||
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On May 30 2018 06:38 Koshi wrote: Honestly don't understand this why is Koshi not voting DF thing. It's ok. I still think my game was sufficient. Things I said I believed. Flip will proof it. I didn't really scumhunt per se but I voted the correct people. You guys didn't today. I should never die over fuba. And fuba had to die this game. For his lack of content. At the moment you are, though. So switch to DF with me and maybe grack and possibly GB if he gets Hillary out of his mind. | ||
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On May 30 2018 06:50 fuba wrote: At the moment you are, though. So switch to DF with me and maybe grack and possibly GB if he gets Hillary out of his mind. HF* | ||
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 Ok. Gotta decide if I want to stick with DF when it's pointless, or just make sure the lynch isn't me by voting for Koshi :/ Seems like the two options people are actually considering are the two of us, so I guess I'll switch.##Vote: Koshi | ||
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On May 30 2018 07:17 LightningStrike wrote: Only reason I didn't vote is because idk if shannies going to happen or not. If you'd have voted earlier, I'd be flipping town in 40 minutes. Just sayin'. | ||
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On May 31 2018 09:54 fuba wrote: I'm at work. I disagree with your scumlist tho And I misread your post. I should only do this while I can focus. | ||
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I can understand a "meh" filter, but the "he talked about me all day and never voted me" isn't a reasonable angle, and you've mentioned it about 4 times now. | ||
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DF is kinda there as an afterthought and somewhat because of what I said yesterday. His spot could be filled by someone else - dunno who though. And I'm kind of locked in the thought of HF choosing between which of his two scum mates to hammer D1. | ||
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On June 01 2018 03:45 GlowingBear wrote: Just saw this in your filter and shenannies is actually the very opposite. I mean, seems super weird to just throw a vote out for absolutely no reason just to shake things up at the end of the night. I'm not just throwing around my vote all willy-nilly with zero reasoning behind it, and if that's what shenannies are, then I've never done shenannies. | ||
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It was mostly a comment on HF's apparent stubbornness, and the fact that Koshi not behaving exactly how HF says he would have might not have been a valid reason to vote him. | ||
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It's also likely that if he fights me on the read, I will not engage - I don't have the energy for prolonged discussions. | ||
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On June 01 2018 03:59 GlowingBear wrote: Okay. This would make byj, rels and LS town. Why could they be town, especially LS? If one of those two scumreads of yours flips town, then who would be mafia? I'd say byj gets some town points from me for actually trying to drum up discussion when most people seem absent. Between Rels and LS... Hard for me to say - I'll take a closer look at the votes for the last few days probably to get a better idea. I do remember that LS was saving his vote for shenannies for some reason, when if he had voted his day-long scumread I would have been the dead one instead of Koshi. Like, what shenannies was he saving himself for? He could have lynched his scum. Though now that I think of it - what reason does scum!LS have for not hammering me when he has set it up all day? I mean, I'd flip town, but scum has to be ready to accept some head for mislynches. I'd say it's weird reasoning, but not necessarily scummy. Considering my previous thoughts on Rels, I think I somehow got it all mixed up in my head. I was seeing his questioning of you regarding you voting Grack instead of LS as somewhat scum leaning, but I have no idea why that was the case - just seems like someone trying to figure out why someone isn't voting for their scum read instead of a random low-poster. Leaning town until I go through the vote counts more closely. Just realizing that my scumlist (HF DF) puts both of them on koshi D2 - not sure that really eliminated the possibility (that proposed scum team is kind of in bad luck after D2). | ||
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On June 01 2018 04:19 fuba wrote: I'd say byj gets some town points from me for actually trying to drum up discussion when most people seem absent. Between Rels and LS... Hard for me to say - I'll take a closer look at the votes for the last few days probably to get a better idea. I do remember that LS was saving his vote for shenannies for some reason, when if he had voted his day-long scumread I would have been the dead one instead of Koshi. Like, what shenannies was he saving himself for? He could have lynched his scum. Though now that I think of it - what reason does scum!LS have for not hammering me when he has set it up all day? I mean, I'd flip town, but scum has to be ready to accept some head for mislynches. I'd say it's weird reasoning, but not necessarily scummy. Considering my previous thoughts on Rels, I think I somehow got it all mixed up in my head. I was seeing his questioning of you regarding you voting Grack instead of LS as somewhat scum leaning, but I have no idea why that was the case - just seems like someone trying to figure out why someone isn't voting for their scum read instead of a random low-poster. Leaning town until I go through the vote counts more closely. Just realizing that my scumlist (HF DF) puts both of them on koshi D2 - not sure that really eliminated the possibility (that proposed scum team is kind of in bad luck after D2). Mmm... So basically... I don't know LOL Jesus I'm fluffy. | ||
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On June 01 2018 04:21 LightningStrike wrote: You know what GB I going to just do some work now starting with Vote count This all the confirmed/UnCCed stuff since I know mafia hold their shot. If Fuba was actually mafia then I was actually voting with mafia Day 1. If HF was mafia and knowing Koshi's alignment how come Mafia HF would lynch Jealous over Koshi Day 1 in that scenario? Doesn't make sense. I don't think Rels is mafia on filter but he's a pretty good scum player so by POE it would of been you df and byj. Now if mafia did shoot you then you're 100% scum so by PoE after that it is byj and df which is a bit strange as I never really read their filter tighly nor do I got a good case. My view of HF's actions D1 is that he was faced with three options: He "hammers" Jealous, he hammers DF, or he hammers Koshi. This will get complicated where DF is concerned, so I guess there's 4 options. HF hammers scum DF: He is seen as pretty firmly town, but GB is also seen as pretty firmly town cuz shenannies. A pretty good option. HF hammers town DF: Probably not good! Especially if we flip Jealous the next day and find out that DF was a counter-scum wagon. Terrible option. HF hammers town Koshi: Pretty much the same scenario as with town DF, but with more backlash. He is under scrutiny, people wonder why he didn't hammer either of the other two people, and this draws attention to Jealous, HF, and DF day 2. Regardless of DF's alignment, this is bad for scum!HF. HF hammers scum Jealous: This is the best of both worlds for HF (aside from losing a scumbuddy, albeit one who was barely playing at the end of D1 and would have been under constant scrutiny the whole game). GB switches from Jealous to DF. HF pretends he's going along with it, knowing that when he actually votes Jealous, and Jealous flips scum, that GB will look bad for shenannying off a scum wagon. This works whether DF is scum or not - either HF was forced into this decision by picking between two scumbuddies, or he didn't want to be the hammer on a town shenannywagon to save his relatively inactive scumbuddy. Also, if DF is scum, it kind of set him up as a "town counterwagon" to the scum Jealous wagon, simply by virtue of the aggression HF showed to GB after the flip. HF has given himself a reason to go hard against GB even though most people kind of agreed that GB was pretty townie. | ||
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On June 01 2018 04:24 GlowingBear wrote: Fuba, I like your recent posts but I have a hard time believing in some things you say. Here are my problems with your play: 1) You said that Koshi came to thread as genuine town, but voted him day1, and kept you vote on him when Jealous was the counterwagon, and you admitted Jealous was okay as a police lynch? I couldn't find a post where you scumread Koshi, so I don't understand what happened there. 2) After the day1 lynch, you never mentioned Koshi. Your vote on him looks was a survival vote. I feel it looks bad, if I'm town I'm not voting a townread over me, I'll try to convince people until the very end that my target is the best lynch, or I would get lynched. Care to explain these two points? 1) Long story short - D1 was kind of a toss-up for me. I saw Jealous as an ok lynch if you didn't want to deal with his drawings, but I was ok with him, but that doesn't mean he's town or scum. I liked rayn's reasoning for koshi, but upon reading his filter got some townie vibes from certain things he said. Really had no way of knowing which was right, and by the last hour of the day I felt the decision had been taken out of my hands. I thought it was clear Jealous was the lynch, and Koshi was safe, so I just went with it. 2) It was a survival vote - idk koshi's alignment, but I do know mine. I felt like koshi wasn't really arguing points other than "I typed more than fuba, he should be before me", as well, but that feels like a general lack of motivation when it comes from Koshi, so not the strongest indicator of alignment. I also know that there's little to defend myself with when I don't have much time (like I do now, to sit down and write for like 2 hours straight). I tried to get a DF lynch going, but you, koshi, and... someone else, I forget, refused to switch to it. So I had no choice but to save the person I knew was town, and hope that Koshi was not. | ||
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On June 01 2018 05:19 Holyflare wrote: If I am trying to eliminate people that are capable of talking against me in a game that I have not much time to play in then why do I try and lynch those people instead of just placating them and nking them instead? Why would I sit on an afk jealous and not kill Koshi? Doesn't really add up I'm afraid. Honestly, I thought Koshi was playing like shit. He wasn't involved in the thread, he threw out random reads that did not align with what I was thinking at all and there was no back and forth with people. He didn't have the Koshi spark at all. Thus, I've been pretty much using this unflipped association to base my entire game off of and it's pretty much backfired. I thought GB's pushes most of the game had ended up nowhere, with him not pushing anything in any direction and then him just looking for outs so that he could afk and do nothing (such as "omg vote hf I'll do nothing more"). Obviously now with the nk things have changed quite a lot. I don't know if he was shot or not. I have no actual reason to believe he was shot at all and think it's quite likely mafia held their shot if they were going to shoot because they'd have to basically kill grack or myself if GB is mafia and that narrows it down later in the game. I've just tried to apply logic to the day 1 vote count where we lynched mafia with 3 votes but apparently logic does not actually apply since mafia did not try and save their partner in any way, shape or form if GB is town. You can't shoot everyone, and supposedly two of the people I listed (rayn and GB) *were* shot by scum. If you're able to get town to kill the talkative townies, you don't have to shoot them or worry about a doc save. You can't just wait until we're three days in, get two mislynches on like, me and byj, and then feign innocence when GB and rayn are dead, and you still stand. So you need us to do your job for you or there's no way scum!HF make it to endgame. Is the Koshi spark a uniquely town Koshi trait? | ||
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On June 02 2018 01:56 byj wrote: Since we have 2 Mafia left, who'd be your 2nd pick? I've answered that specific question before. Are you voting me without reading my filter? :O | ||
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On June 02 2018 08:52 Holyflare wrote: Gb why have you stopped pushing me? Ditto this. | ||
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Also I'm drunk, but still. HF DF scumteam. Lynch them and I'm drunk and such. | ||
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His greatest defense is basically "I'm behaving too scummy for scum to want to shoot me, and that is why I'm town". But he was playing before, and he's still alive. I have been in zero games where scum held their shot because of a theoretical doc save. Stop pretending you think that scum giving up their most secure chance of killing townies is the most likely action they took that night. Especially if you're not even going after GB, who is the only one who would have benefited from this dastardly ploy of scum not killing anyone in a game where their goal is to kill everyone. | ||
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Then why keep bringing it up? It just muddies the waters for literally no reason. It's like me saying "grack lied - he actually saved me that night." Technically possible, but so unlikely as to be basically impossible. | ||
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On June 04 2018 01:08 Holyflare wrote: I don't know what to tell you. I'm just not mafia. Fine. | ||
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On June 04 2018 01:10 Holyflare wrote: I think you going all out on me in lylo after not doing much might make you actually mafia though. It's quite obvious why grack would be a kill and people that I think are town (and byj who I actually need to look into) also agree. He was a doctor, there's nothing more to it. You then spin that to mean I must be mafia and when people disagree you rewrite the narrative. It's not good play. I haven't rewritten anything. | ||
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On June 04 2018 01:19 Holyflare wrote: Your first narrative was that I am alive today and it doesn't make sense that I wasn't shot after grack. Your second narrative is that the grack shot makes sense but that I shouldn't be alive either. Why should I not be alive when I've been playing like I have? What night would I have been shot? Oh, I wouldn't consider that a narrative. My narrative is that long post from a while ago. About how you're playing for endgame. And oh look - after a full game of basically ignoring me, you're going to start looking at me now (saving me for later). Actually, you're going to start looking at me and byj, the specific two that I mentioned I that previous post lol. What makes me more likely as scum to be oblivious to the fact that grack was obviously a better shot than you last night? If anything, I'd think that if I was scum that'd be the last thing I'd say because it would be too obvious to me, as I've literally just killed him cuz he's the doctor. Also, I would have shot you n2 if I was scum and you were town. Or n1, but definitely by n2. You're good enough at solving games that even if you're not being particularly active, I don't want you sticking around. | ||
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Also, I've been over my d1 vote twice now. My vote was either a throwaway at that point, or I could have randomly switched to DF to divert the lynch. Jealous was definitely getting lynched over Koshi. | ||
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On June 04 2018 04:17 Rels wrote: well, that concludes EOD1. That strengthened my townread on HF, and I think fuba is 1 of the remaining scum. His actions and posts make sense if they come from scum seeing his partner being a lynch candidate: softly pushing for a counterwagon, preparing for this counterwagon to flip town, not posting more than necessary. They don't make sense from a town perspective: why voting Koshi without even reading his filter, just on the basis of one post ? Why not switch after townreading the dude you're voting for ? Why not call rayn scum instead of calling his behaviour weird but still town ? I've explained my vote clearly and it makes sense. And I didn't call rayn scum because it wasn't inherently scummy without a flip. | ||
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On June 04 2018 04:18 Rels wrote: I think you townread Koshi at that point because I just posted that I would switch to Koshi, so you were preparing Koshi flipping town. That's absurd. | ||
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Rayn's reasoning was solid on koshi. There is literally no reason for scum Fuba to just throw out that Koshi might be town and then sit on him. | ||
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On June 04 2018 04:36 Rels wrote: I don't understand the question. Well, I'm not trying to convince you that you're scum p: but this is wrong, your attitude makes perfect sense if you're scum. You can arguee all you want, you stayed on Jealous's counterwagon until the end, even though you thought he was town. This is a fact, and it doesn't make sense if you're town. Your explanations are less believable than you being scum. You're saying that scum Fuba saw the possibility of the person he's trying to mislynch actually being lynched, and decided that instead of riding out the solid case (for D1) that brought him to that mislynch, he would suggest that that person might actually be town, eliminating any defense he might have later in the game (now). There is NO reason for scum Fuba to do that. | ||
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At least you're town tho. | ||
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I'll try to get some thorough reads in by end of day, but you know who my top scum is, not that it'll matter. Wonder where GB is with his 100% agreement that HF is scum. | ||
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On June 05 2018 05:38 byj wrote: Zzz, guess Mafia is fine not talking. According to you mafia talked the most d4. | ||
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HF has done literally nothing basically all game. for all of his posts, what scum has he found? This is not town HF. HE DIDN'T EVEN HAMMER JEALOUS. AND IF HE HAMMERED SOMEONE ELSE INSTEAD OF HIM HE WOULD HAVE BEEN INSTANTLY SUSPICIOUS WHEN JEALOUS FLIPS (WHICH THERE IS NO WAY HE DOESN'T DO)! Also, the fact that DF somehow sees two of the three people who have even somewhat posted and voted so far today as scum is crazy. HF voting jealous was taking the best advantage of a shitty situation for scum. He didn't bus - he saw the inevitable and ran with it, since it would give him the most town cred to ride out the end of the game. Also, I wasn't inactive at end of D1, so his reasoning is garbage. He's just bs-ing a vote because he knows he wins when I die. BTW - I'm not playing like scum fuba who still has a scumpartner. I'm playing like town fuba who knows you're throwing the damn game. When everyone hopefully comes back to the thread, I hope they see that rels and I were the only two trying today, and that is a sign of us not wanting to lose immediately upon my flip. | ||
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On June 05 2018 06:37 Holyflare wrote: A) I'm not voting you so I can't be bsing a vote. B) I never said you were inactive at the end of day 1? What nonsense are you even spouting now? Those were about DF. | ||
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I still see DF and HF as the two scum. Rels def town, GB close to def town (though there's some crazy as hell paranoia about GB and HF as a team - I'm trying to ignore that). I still don't really know why byj seems to be getting passes all game, but whatever. I'm up for voting DF if the votes are there. | ||
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Scum Fuba doesn't fight like this. | ||
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On June 05 2018 07:57 Holyflare wrote: Now you're trying to appeal to me to save you or something or what? Lol. That's definitely it. | ||
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