[M][N] Elementary Mafia

On May 25 2018 10:45 GlowingBear wrote:


Uh-huh. Terrible opening.

On May 25 2018 10:50 GlowingBear wrote:


I kinda agree.

We can start lynching rayn and holyflare.
We keep jealous because images in forum mafia make this more fun to play.
LS I'll never know, but seems like honest LS we all know, which means could be town.

Grackaroni NAI opening.
darthfoley NAI opening.

On May 25 2018 10:50 GlowingBear wrote:


I kinda agree.

We can start lynching rayn and holyflare.
We keep jealous because images in forum mafia make this more fun to play.
LS I'll never know, but seems like honest LS we all know, which means could be town.

Grackaroni NAI opening.
darthfoley NAI opening.

On May 25 2018 10:50 GlowingBear wrote:


I kinda agree.

We can start lynching rayn and holyflare.
We keep jealous because images in forum mafia make this more fun to play.
LS I'll never know, but seems like honest LS we all know, which means could be town.

Grackaroni NAI opening.
darthfoley NAI opening.

On May 25 2018 11:02 GlowingBear wrote:
OK rayn, I'll be serious now.
Care to explain where my reasoning on why HF could be mafia is wrong?

On May 25 2018 11:07 GlowingBear wrote:


I said HF could be mafia because:

If he is town and has time, he will comment on stuff.
If he is town and has no time, he won't even have time comment he has no time.

Therefore, he might be mafia.

Because we all know that coming to the thread and communicating you're town means nothing.

On May 25 2018 11:08 GlowingBear wrote:


Now that I read it again, it's actually pretty clear I'm saying he might be town.

On May 25 2018 11:10 GlowingBear wrote:


Tell me why someone who has no time comes to the thread to communicate he is town and has no time to read a ONE PAGE GAME?

On May 25 2018 11:14 GlowingBear wrote:


No, your argument is that he didn't pick up a shitpost you claim you made on purpose.
My argument is that if he is town he would either play the game or simply not post a single post until he has time.

On May 25 2018 09:29 LightningStrike wrote:

Why?

On May 25 2018 11:33 GlowingBear wrote:


Why am I town?

On May 25 2018 11:39 GlowingBear wrote:
But LS, you said our fight looked forced.
How did your read from "forced" to "natural" happened?

On May 25 2018 12:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:

CXVNXCVNUIDH SJDASJDCNMC DD

On May 25 2018 12:59 GlowingBear wrote:
Less euphoric now, reading more carefully.

+ Show Spoiler +

I'm no longer okay with you being town.
First I thought "LS has no reason to fake feeling our 'fight' is a bit forced and then flipping his position an calling both of us town", but then I thought "why is he calling me town for a post right after rayn said I was town for the same post?", felt like parroting. I don't know, I have to give this more thought.

LS, you've played with me as scum, didn't you? People never get me as scum day'1 because I am always a heavy poster. I don't know why you think I would be lazy as mafia. Plus "a fuzzy memory" doesn't look like a strong ground to call someone town.

@Rayn: Why am I town for that post? I called it a "shitpost" but you said you really mean it word by word. Is that true?



We can start voting you then, because it's impossible to not have even a weak opinion on my interaction with rayn.

##Unvote
##Vote: Grackaroni

On May 25 2018 11:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I have absolutely no idea where this translates into "he can be mafia".
Well anyone can be mafia for sure but... for this?

On May 25 2018 12:59 GlowingBear wrote:
Less euphoric now, reading more carefully.

+ Show Spoiler +

I'm no longer okay with you being town.
First I thought "LS has no reason to fake feeling our 'fight' is a bit forced and then flipping his position an calling both of us town", but then I thought "why is he calling me town for a post right after rayn said I was town for the same post?", felt like parroting. I don't know, I have to give this more thought.

LS, you've played with me as scum, didn't you? People never get me as scum day'1 because I am always a heavy poster. I don't know why you think I would be lazy as mafia. Plus "a fuzzy memory" doesn't look like a strong ground to call someone town.

@Rayn: Why am I town for that post? I called it a "shitpost" but you said you really mean it word by word. Is that true?



We can start voting you then, because it's impossible to not have even a weak opinion on my interaction with rayn.

##Unvote
##Vote: Grackaroni

On May 25 2018 12:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:

CXVNXCVNUIDH SJDASJDCNMC DD

On May 26 2018 01:28 GlowingBear wrote:


Gut feeling: this post sounds townish to me. For some reason I can't see LS posting this as mafia. He is not really good at lying.
I'll go with LS being town for now.

On May 26 2018 03:24 GlowingBear wrote:
Why would I try to get trust from mafia?

On May 26 2018 04:44 Koshi wrote:
@byj: I understand that in your head your reasoning looks valid. But you are wrong. GB his play is not about trying to gain friends. Him taking a softer approach on LS is fine.

I would agree more with you if GB didnt went head on against rayn. If one is trying to play buddy buddy as mafia, one does not clynch with rayn and lick on LS. As mafia you more likely do the opposite.

On May 25 2018 10:26 LightningStrike wrote:

Oh I thought you were going to call him scum for his opening and was going to argue he done similar entrances before as town but ya I see your point though. Anyways just got home now and can talk more not on my phone at least :D

On May 25 2018 10:53 GlowingBear wrote:


If Holyflare is town, he will come and comment stuff.
If Holyflare is town and has no time, he won't have time to comment that he has no time.

That's where I come from.

On May 25 2018 10:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Oh I thought you were going to call him scum for his opening and was going to argue he done similar entrances before as town but ya I see your point though.:D

On May 26 2018 05:56 GlowingBear wrote:




You're saying that you actually believe LS might be mafia, right?
If you believe he is mafia, why on earth I would try to buddy him as any alignment?

On May 26 2018 06:14 GlowingBear wrote:


I don't speak korean

On May 26 2018 06:13 GlowingBear wrote:
Rayn, care to answer HF's suspicions on you?

On May 26 2018 06:09 GlowingBear wrote:


Uhm, no, he just calls me town and Rels mafia.

On May 27 2018 03:18 Holyflare wrote:


why is grack's post any different?

On May 27 2018 03:41 GlowingBear wrote:


We all played enough games to know that congruency is not a particular town trait.

Grack's post was three town reads, a null read and no scum read. You don't think it was bad?

On May 27 2018 03:41 GlowingBear wrote:
Grack's post was three town reads, a null read and no scum read. You don't think it was bad?

On May 27 2018 06:07 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm back, thought about Grack's alignment, I'm reconsidering it, also reconsidering my read on rayn, I don't see why rayn would protect him unless he is mafia with him, currently voting Jealous because of Grack's reasoning which sounds right.

On May 25 2018 22:21 Koshi wrote:
I am afk unless I see Rels become town.

On May 26 2018 04:44 Koshi wrote:

Probably town for convincing himself.

@byj: I understand that in your head your reasoning looks valid. But you are wrong. GB his play is not about trying to gain friends. Him taking a softer approach on LS is fine.

I would agree more with you if GB didnt went head on against rayn. If one is trying to play buddy buddy as mafia, one does not clynch with rayn and lick on LS. As mafia you more likely do the opposite.

On May 26 2018 04:46 Koshi wrote:

Mafia isnt playing. Ez lynches in hiders. Dont lynch or go ham on actives.

Free tip.

On May 27 2018 06:33 GlowingBear wrote:


First I thought Grack can be town
Then I thought if rayn was mafia he would not protect town grack
Therefore, both can be town

Therefore I don't want to lynch them

Therefore I believe Jealous is a good lynch because he kept saying you were a scumlean but is voting byj + I will never be able to figure out his motivations because his playstyle never reveals the WHY he gives his reads.

On May 27 2018 06:33 GlowingBear wrote:


First I thought Grack can be town
Then I thought if rayn was mafia he would not protect town grack
Therefore, both can be town

Therefore I don't want to lynch them

Therefore I believe Jealous is a good lynch because he kept saying you were a scumlean but is voting byj + I will never be able to figure out his motivations because his playstyle never reveals the WHY he gives his reads.

On May 27 2018 07:02 GlowingBear wrote:
I really dislike how this wagon on Koshi was formed.

HF is attacking rayn throughout the entire game
Never votes rayn.
Rayn posts an "outdated" read on Koshi (come on, everybody read those posts and it was also object for discussion)
HF, without reevaluating Rayn, decides he is right and votes for Koshi

Then people pile up for absolute no reason. Fuba decided OH THAT WAS A GOOD CASE, LS brings a very flimsy reason to vote Koshi which I heavily dislike (and makes me lean scum on him).

This wagon doesn't sound right at all.

On May 27 2018 00:39 Fecalfeast wrote:

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Day 1 Vote Count

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Rels [1]: Koshi, Grackaroni
Jealous [2]: raynpelikoneet, Grackaroni
Grackaroni [1]: GlowingBear
GlowingBear [1]: Holyflare, byj
raynpelikoneet [1]: GlowingBear, Holyflare
byj [1]: Jealous
Holyflare [0]: raynpelikoneet
LightningStrike [0]: byj

Not Voting [4]: darthfoley, LightningStrike, fuba, Rels

---

Jealous is currently the lynch.

The deadline is Saturday, May 26 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in .

If there is an error in the vote count, let us know via PM.

On May 27 2018 07:02 GlowingBear wrote:
I really dislike how this wagon on Koshi was formed.

HF is attacking rayn throughout the entire game
Never votes rayn.
Rayn posts an "outdated" read on Koshi (come on, everybody read those posts and it was also object for discussion)
HF, without reevaluating Rayn, decides he is right and votes for Koshi

Then people pile up for absolute no reason. Fuba decided OH THAT WAS A GOOD CASE, LS brings a very flimsy reason to vote Koshi which I heavily dislike (and makes me lean scum on him).

This wagon doesn't sound right at all.

On May 27 2018 07:12 GlowingBear wrote:


I already said Koshi looked town to me for the same posts rayn pointed out as scummy.

Well, HF, I'm trying to read the game from every perspective, and it looks to me there is a possibility where both are town. I can work them later. I can't work with scummy lurkers. I do this every day1. I always go against scummy lurkers in the end.

On May 26 2018 06:09 GlowingBear wrote:


Uhm, no, he just calls me town and Rels mafia.

On May 26 2018 06:19 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, caught up.



Yeah, I thought it was clear that I think grackaroni might be mafia.

For now, I have rayn and grackaroni as possible mafia.

Koshi is probably town.
Rels is probably town.
You are probably town (every one knows I pick posts that sounds scummy right at the beginning of the game and I rethink it later)

I admit I'm getting paranoia regarding LS. Sometimes he sounds townie, sometimes he sounds scummy.

On May 27 2018 07:16 GlowingBear wrote:


LOL I'm definetly playing like shit lately.

On May 27 2018 07:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Shenannies on fuba

On May 27 2018 07:55 GlowingBear wrote:


NOW

On May 27 2018 08:10 GlowingBear wrote:
Any questions? I'm pretty sure I'll take a lot of flak for this although he was already the lynch even before HF's swap.

On May 27 2018 08:11 GlowingBear wrote:


It is a bit of a stretch to call him and yourself confrimed, isn't it?

On May 28 2018 08:44 GlowingBear wrote:


Or you can play the game and answer me

On May 28 2018 08:29 GlowingBear wrote:
I have no idea how he turned scum GB into town GB.

On May 28 2018 08:48 LightningStrike wrote:
Also that rayn kill was odd I thought they would kill HF over Rayn but maybe Rayn was killed because he was more active within the last few hours than HF? Just WIFOM most likely.

On May 28 2018 08:50 GlowingBear wrote:


Or Koshi is mafia and killed rayn because he was the only almost universally townread guy still going against him.
Unlikely.

On May 28 2018 08:48 GlowingBear wrote:


You kept you vote on me all day1. At night1 I was one of your town reads. Why?

On May 28 2018 08:18 GlowingBear wrote:
Part 1

If I die tonight (something I don't believe in), you guys just have to figure out Koshi's alignment and stick to analyze how the voting pattern happened minutes prior to EoD.

Rels is suspicious for not wanting to vote Jealous but being okay with shennanies in any other player. I know people will say that the same can be said about me. It's partially right. But I was very confuse of who I thought we should lynch at EoD. Rels have being playing pretty straightforward, he doesn't seem insecure. He wanted to lynch darthfoley, yes, but at that time it wasn't unclear what his opinon on the main wagons was. If you're so right someone might be mafia and believes main wagons are going to flip town (or are a coin flip), I believe he should've been more incisive in convincing people to change to his target. Again, this is even stronger evidence if Koshi turns out to be mafia.

LS is playing a very confuse game and I'm never sure of what he believes. But his vote on Koshi was really bad. When I questioned it, he gave a very bad reason to vote Koshi. If he was sheeping someone, he should've just said it. Instead he came with a bad argument, following thread sentiment, voting the counter-wagon. If you believe Koshi might be town (like me), then this even stronger evidence. I'm lynching LS tomorrow like the hell out of me.

I don't know what to make of Holyflare and Rayn. I have arguments for both alignments regarding then. For know, I believe they could be town, and I'll be sticking to it. If LS flips mafia I'd be very suspicious of HF. Also, his hammer on Jealous is suspicious. Because he never wanted to vote Jealous in the first place and he didn't really hammer Jealous. He was already set to be the lynch when I unvoted him, and I knew it when I unvoted. HF Making it sound he is town for hammering Jealous is actually really bad for Holyflare, not the opposite. You should have this in mind.

On May 27 2018 18:41 Koshi wrote:

True Story. I was at the Brussel Jazz Marathon and couldnt be bebothered.

BUT

Rels is still mafia so I didnt break my promise.

On May 28 2018 08:56 GlowingBear wrote:
Please, I would like to talk about my night posts. What are your thoughts on them?

On May 28 2018 09:08 GlowingBear wrote:And your read on me flipped for no particular reason, which is weird.

On May 28 2018 09:08 GlowingBear wrote:
My god holyflare might be actually mafia.

On May 27 2018 11:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mr Byj is gonna get all this good stuff from this.
I am waiting for the things he has to say about this game trn.
go.

On May 27 2018 07:38 fuba wrote:
I'm not overly opposed to the jealous lynch, but rayn sitting on it instead of voting a legit scumread makes me nervous.

On May 27 2018 07:56 Rels wrote:

if we have a third, why not. Would prefer DF though

On May 28 2018 09:31 LightningStrike wrote:
Hell he could of voted df or Koshi EoD to save jealous if he was mafia so it would of been a stupid mistake from him to vote jealous at EoD like that.

On May 28 2018 10:01 GlowingBear wrote:


Jealous was still the lynch when HF voted him. So, trying to gain town cred, like he is gaining from you.

But actually, I'll reevaluate it, maybe I'm being a bit paranoid of HF.

Note to myself: Holyflare tried a lot of counterwagons before voting Jealous. Grack, Koshi, Me. Keeping this in mind to not dismiss the possibility that he is mafia.

On May 28 2018 10:38 GlowingBear wrote:
And now I'll live my life because shit I'm wasting too much time playing this alone.

On May 29 2018 04:07 Holyflare wrote:
GB's end of day was really bad. I saw him criticising rels for pushing df at end of day but he voted on df too????? There's so many misconstruing arguments in his filter (especially towards me) and so many posts keeping his options open that it's extremely likely that GB is mafia.

On May 29 2018 05:09 Rels wrote:

lol. Quote it then.

On May 29 2018 06:54 GlowingBear wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Holyflare

You're mafia.

On May 29 2018 07:24 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm not trying to start a shit fight with you. I refuse to accept that a high profile player that I admire can play like this as town.

You're a logical player. At this point, with the whole thread telling you I'm town, with a lot of things pointing out I can be town, I'd expect you would at least reconsider your read. You aren't. Because you decided I'm mafia BEFORE having you arguments. And now you want to keep suspicions on me.

You've played with me a lot. You know I can be disruptive, flip my reads, hard defend mafia, etc., as town. Yet you refuse to try to see things from this point of view. This is not a townie mindset. This is someone trying to get a mislynch or to discredit someone who is being universally townread.

I have three main reasons to think you're mafia:
1) You kept accusing me of not doing things while I was, and you actually agreed with a lot of posts I made.
2) You've called LS almost confirmed town for a reason that is an extreme bullshit. You're a logical player, it's hard to believe that you actually believe LS could be town for that post of his.
3) You fucking agreed with me that Koshi's alignment is key to understand the game. I also believe that. But you think Koshi is mafia. If he flips mafia, both Rels and me would look bad. It makes sense, under your POV, a Jealous/Koshi/GB mafia team. But if the key of solving it relies in Koshi's alignment and if you think Koshi is mafia, YOU WILL ALWAYS START DAY2 CONVINCING PEOPLE TO LYNCH KOSHI, and once his alignment is revealed, if he flips mafia, YOU GO AGAINST ME. YOU WOULD NEVER BE GOING AGAINST ME BEFORE KILLING KOSHI.

On May 29 2018 08:01 GlowingBear wrote:


1) + Show Spoiler +
Proof you did it.

2) It doesn't matter if you're reevaluating it, as a very logical player as town, you would NEVER believe such thing. NEVER.

3) + Show Spoiler +
No, you aren't. You're just attacking me. Where is your vote on Koshi.


PLUS, AND WAY MORE IMPORTANT, EVERYONE READ THIS:

+ Show Spoiler +
+ Show Spoiler +

JEALOUS IS NOT AN OPTIONT?
If this is not you defending Jealous, I don't know what it is.
Also, if you really thought Jealous wagon was dodgy, that Grackaroni could be mafia and kept attacking people for calling Koshi mafia, you would hammer Koshi, not Jealous.

On May 29 2018 08:05 GlowingBear wrote:
Here are you protecting him AGAIN!

On May 29 2018 07:59 Holyflare wrote:
All I have to do is read the last two pages of your filter where you spend 90% of it leaving me open as mafia for absolutely 0 reasons (you have mentioned nothing about me being mafia UNTIL I lynched mafia which is bull shit). I hadn't even posted anything this cycle and you were still all over it.

On May 29 2018 08:16 GlowingBear wrote:


I wasn't sure you were mafia until a few moments earlier. My reasoning is pretty sound right know. I have enough reasons to think you're mafia. Actually, I'm sure you are.

Sorry HF, I won't be talking to you anymore. You can defend yourself from my posts so people can choose between what they believe in, but I'm never, ever, changing my opinion on you.

I also don't like that he (byj) describes Koshi as not the most innocent seeming when Koshi had the same scum reads as him (Rels/Fuba). I'd be interested in his reason why Koshi seems scummy.

On May 25 2018 22:20 Koshi wrote:
Town lean fuba atm. Very slightly but i think he will show progress along the road.

On May 26 2018 04:44 Koshi wrote:
@byj: I understand that in your head your reasoning looks valid. But you are wrong. GB his play is not about trying to gain friends. Him taking a softer approach on LS is fine.

I would agree more with you if GB didnt went head on against rayn. If one is trying to play buddy buddy as mafia, one does not clynch with rayn and lick on LS. As mafia you more likely do the opposite.

On May 29 2018 08:41 GlowingBear wrote:


If you're town you're voting HF immediately.

On May 30 2018 00:46 GlowingBear wrote:
Are you SERIOUSLY ignoring everything I brought on HF?

On May 30 2018 06:40 GlowingBear wrote:


And these people are...?

On May 30 2018 06:42 GlowingBear wrote:


I never fought Holyflare.

I just get overwhelmed and pumped. It doesn't mean I am fighting.

I was getting more and more euphoric as evidence was pretty much pointing towards Holyflare being mafia.

How can you not have an opinion about our discussion?

On May 29 2018 07:46 Holyflare wrote:


I literally don't care if everyone on earth called you town. That doesn't make them correct. What have I agreed with you about at all? I've made about 5 posts this cycle and one of them is that koshi is playing like mafia and should be the lynch. The others are that you are likely mafia.

If you're not mafia then you should be playing out of your mind to convince me you're not and why someone else is but it's all omgus and useless crap like this that makes it really obvious to me you're mafia.

You're literally saying I'm mafia who lynched mafia day 1 instead of literally anyone else and now on the next cycle instead of any other player in the game I just push.

1) I have never accused you of not doing things. This is heavily misconstrued.

2) I don't believe he's confirmed town anymore because he's done it again and it looks quite overplayed. I don't think he's looking exceptionally like mafia either though and nobody has made a convincing argument why he is but they just keep saying he is for no reason.

3) I have literally just been doing that. Another post misconstruing.