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On May 29 2018 07:35 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2018 06:54 GlowingBear wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Holyflare
You're mafia. He is just dumb. Quote my post.
He's mafia.
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On May 29 2018 07:46 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2018 07:24 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm not trying to start a shit fight with you. I refuse to accept that a high profile player that I admire can play like this as town.
You're a logical player. At this point, with the whole thread telling you I'm town, with a lot of things pointing out I can be town, I'd expect you would at least reconsider your read. You aren't. Because you decided I'm mafia BEFORE having you arguments. And now you want to keep suspicions on me.
You've played with me a lot. You know I can be disruptive, flip my reads, hard defend mafia, etc., as town. Yet you refuse to try to see things from this point of view. This is not a townie mindset. This is someone trying to get a mislynch or to discredit someone who is being universally townread.
I have three main reasons to think you're mafia:
1) You kept accusing me of not doing things while I was, and you actually agreed with a lot of posts I made.
2) You've called LS almost confirmed town for a reason that is an extreme bullshit. You're a logical player, it's hard to believe that you actually believe LS could be town for that post of his.
3) You fucking agreed with me that Koshi's alignment is key to understand the game. I also believe that. But you think Koshi is mafia. If he flips mafia, both Rels and me would look bad. It makes sense, under your POV, a Jealous/Koshi/GB mafia team. But if the key of solving it relies in Koshi's alignment and if you think Koshi is mafia, YOU WILL ALWAYS START DAY2 CONVINCING PEOPLE TO LYNCH KOSHI, and once his alignment is revealed, if he flips mafia, YOU GO AGAINST ME. YOU WOULD NEVER BE GOING AGAINST ME BEFORE KILLING KOSHI. I literally don't care if everyone on earth called you town. That doesn't make them correct. What have I agreed with you about at all? I've made about 5 posts this cycle and one of them is that koshi is playing like mafia and should be the lynch. The others are that you are likely mafia. If you're not mafia then you should be playing out of your mind to convince me you're not and why someone else is but it's all omgus and useless crap like this that makes it really obvious to me you're mafia. You're literally saying I'm mafia who lynched mafia day 1 instead of literally anyone else and now on the next cycle instead of any other player in the game I just push. 1) I have never accused you of not doing things. This is heavily misconstrued. 2) I don't believe he's confirmed town anymore because he's done it again and it looks quite overplayed. I don't think he's looking exceptionally like mafia either though and nobody has made a convincing argument why he is but they just keep saying he is for no reason. 3) I have literally just been doing that. Another post misconstruing.
1) + Show Spoiler +On May 27 2018 04:40 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2018 03:43 GlowingBear wrote:
For now my hangover is too strong for me to catch up, so I just skimmed.
@HF: I meant "what's your read on me?" I don't have a read on you other than you are on the scummy side of null imo. I'm having a bit of trouble after reading your filter tbh, I don't think you've really said a single thing. Specifically, I think it's your whole approach to the rayn/me situation. You think rayn might be mafia initially, you've agreed with my points on him and wanted a follow up and he's followed up since but you haven't interacted with him or re-evaluated anything around it at all and you keep making excuses to not play.
Proof you did it.
2) It doesn't matter if you're reevaluating it, as a very logical player as town, you would NEVER believe such thing. NEVER.
3) + Show Spoiler +On May 29 2018 01:16 Holyflare wrote:
Who are we lynching and why isn't it gb?
No, you aren't. You're just attacking me. Where is your vote on Koshi.
PLUS, AND WAY MORE IMPORTANT, EVERYONE READ THIS:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 27 2018 07:07 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2018 07:02 GlowingBear wrote:
I really dislike how this wagon on Koshi was formed.
HF is attacking rayn throughout the entire game
Never votes rayn.
Rayn posts an "outdated" read on Koshi (come on, everybody read those posts and it was also object for discussion)
HF, without reevaluating Rayn, decides he is right and votes for Koshi
Then people pile up for absolute no reason. Fuba decided OH THAT WAS A GOOD CASE, LS brings a very flimsy reason to vote Koshi which I heavily dislike (and makes me lean scum on him).
This wagon doesn't sound right at all.
LS is effectively confirmed town, I'm confirmed town and am hedging on rayn. I also didn't even read those koshi posts until rayn has pointed it out. I've also definitely reevaulated rayn to be a complete hedge and see how it pans out. (Also think his vote on jealous while making a good koshi case is more towny than scummy). Fuba is just fuba, literally no opinion other than I think his post being sceptical of rayn looked pretty genuine. If you wanna talk about dodgy wagons you should just look right at the jealous wagon that's formed by a policy voting rayn, grackaroni who doesn't have a scum read and glowingbear who was voting with his two biggest scum reads that suddenly changed out of the blue based on little to no reasoning afterwards.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 27 2018 07:38 Holyflare wrote:
Ok I will vote an absolute 0 content poster and nobody else. Jealous is not an option because I think he has more to give and questions to answer. At least he posted a bit too.
JEALOUS IS NOT AN OPTIONT?
If this is not you defending Jealous, I don't know what it is.
Also, if you really thought Jealous wagon was dodgy, that Grackaroni could be mafia and kept attacking people for calling Koshi mafia, you would hammer Koshi, not Jealous.
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You're always mafia in this game and there's nothing you can do to change my mind.
It was you that tried to not let Jealous be lynched, not me.
Guys, if anyone believes I'm town, just sheep me. Holyflare is mafia.
Bye.
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Here are you protecting him AGAIN!
On May 26 2018 22:18 Holyflare wrote:
you can't get more burnt out mafia than he is, Jealous has posted loads of pictures to do with posts and given actual reads and rayn is still voting him and calls me mafia for nothing and does absolutely nothing with it
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It all adds up. When I said I flipped my reads on Grack and Rayn, you started attacking me:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 27 2018 07:01 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2018 06:33 GlowingBear wrote:On May 27 2018 06:24 Holyflare wrote:On May 27 2018 06:07 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm back, thought about Grack's alignment, I'm reconsidering it, also reconsidering my read on rayn, I don't see why rayn would protect him unless he is mafia with him, currently voting Jealous because of Grack's reasoning which sounds right. Protect who? If you're referring to grack then why the fuck would you ever write this when you think both grack and rayn are scummy???????? First I thought Grack can be townThen I thought if rayn was mafia he would not protect town grack Therefore, both can be town Therefore I don't want to lynch them Therefore I believe Jealous is a good lynch because he kept saying you were a scumlean but is voting byj + I will never be able to figure out his motivations because his playstyle never reveals the WHY he gives his reads. I still don't understand this at all. Nothing has changed other than rayn mentioning he's "too scummy to be scum" and you disagreeing with that as a fundamental premise that you believe in. I find it hard to see how you've rationalised yourself to this point AND THEN also make an unflipped association read with rayn based on your random change of heart on grack. It looks like grack has stopped becoming the flavour of the thread and now you've just jumped onto jealous over a good case on koshi while not really commenting on koshi?
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Guys, again:
On May 27 2018 07:38 Holyflare wrote:
Ok I will vote an absolute 0 content poster and nobody else. Jealous is not an option because I think he has more to give and questions to answer. At least he posted a bit too.
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On May 29 2018 08:09 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2018 08:01 GlowingBear wrote:On May 29 2018 07:46 Holyflare wrote:On May 29 2018 07:24 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm not trying to start a shit fight with you. I refuse to accept that a high profile player that I admire can play like this as town.
You're a logical player. At this point, with the whole thread telling you I'm town, with a lot of things pointing out I can be town, I'd expect you would at least reconsider your read. You aren't. Because you decided I'm mafia BEFORE having you arguments. And now you want to keep suspicions on me.
You've played with me a lot. You know I can be disruptive, flip my reads, hard defend mafia, etc., as town. Yet you refuse to try to see things from this point of view. This is not a townie mindset. This is someone trying to get a mislynch or to discredit someone who is being universally townread.
I have three main reasons to think you're mafia:
1) You kept accusing me of not doing things while I was, and you actually agreed with a lot of posts I made.
2) You've called LS almost confirmed town for a reason that is an extreme bullshit. You're a logical player, it's hard to believe that you actually believe LS could be town for that post of his.
3) You fucking agreed with me that Koshi's alignment is key to understand the game. I also believe that. But you think Koshi is mafia. If he flips mafia, both Rels and me would look bad. It makes sense, under your POV, a Jealous/Koshi/GB mafia team. But if the key of solving it relies in Koshi's alignment and if you think Koshi is mafia, YOU WILL ALWAYS START DAY2 CONVINCING PEOPLE TO LYNCH KOSHI, and once his alignment is revealed, if he flips mafia, YOU GO AGAINST ME. YOU WOULD NEVER BE GOING AGAINST ME BEFORE KILLING KOSHI. I literally don't care if everyone on earth called you town. That doesn't make them correct. What have I agreed with you about at all? I've made about 5 posts this cycle and one of them is that koshi is playing like mafia and should be the lynch. The others are that you are likely mafia. If you're not mafia then you should be playing out of your mind to convince me you're not and why someone else is but it's all omgus and useless crap like this that makes it really obvious to me you're mafia. You're literally saying I'm mafia who lynched mafia day 1 instead of literally anyone else and now on the next cycle instead of any other player in the game I just push. 1) I have never accused you of not doing things. This is heavily misconstrued. 2) I don't believe he's confirmed town anymore because he's done it again and it looks quite overplayed. I don't think he's looking exceptionally like mafia either though and nobody has made a convincing argument why he is but they just keep saying he is for no reason. 3) I have literally just been doing that. Another post misconstruing. 1) + Show Spoiler +On May 27 2018 04:40 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2018 03:43 GlowingBear wrote:
For now my hangover is too strong for me to catch up, so I just skimmed.
@HF: I meant "what's your read on me?" I don't have a read on you other than you are on the scummy side of null imo. I'm having a bit of trouble after reading your filter tbh, I don't think you've really said a single thing. Specifically, I think it's your whole approach to the rayn/me situation. You think rayn might be mafia initially, you've agreed with my points on him and wanted a follow up and he's followed up since but you haven't interacted with him or re-evaluated anything around it at all and you keep making excuses to not play. Proof you did it. 2) It doesn't matter if you're reevaluating it, as a very logical player as town, you would NEVER believe such thing. NEVER. 3) + Show Spoiler +On May 29 2018 01:16 Holyflare wrote:
Who are we lynching and why isn't it gb? No, you aren't. You're just attacking me. Where is your vote on Koshi. PLUS, AND WAY MORE IMPORTANT, EVERYONE READ THIS:+ Show Spoiler +On May 27 2018 07:07 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2018 07:02 GlowingBear wrote:
I really dislike how this wagon on Koshi was formed.
HF is attacking rayn throughout the entire game
Never votes rayn.
Rayn posts an "outdated" read on Koshi (come on, everybody read those posts and it was also object for discussion)
HF, without reevaluating Rayn, decides he is right and votes for Koshi
Then people pile up for absolute no reason. Fuba decided OH THAT WAS A GOOD CASE, LS brings a very flimsy reason to vote Koshi which I heavily dislike (and makes me lean scum on him).
This wagon doesn't sound right at all.
LS is effectively confirmed town, I'm confirmed town and am hedging on rayn. I also didn't even read those koshi posts until rayn has pointed it out. I've also definitely reevaulated rayn to be a complete hedge and see how it pans out. (Also think his vote on jealous while making a good koshi case is more towny than scummy). Fuba is just fuba, literally no opinion other than I think his post being sceptical of rayn looked pretty genuine. If you wanna talk about dodgy wagons you should just look right at the jealous wagon that's formed by a policy voting rayn, grackaroni who doesn't have a scum read and glowingbear who was voting with his two biggest scum reads that suddenly changed out of the blue based on little to no reasoning afterwards. On May 27 2018 07:38 Holyflare wrote:
Ok I will vote an absolute 0 content poster and nobody else. Jealous is not an option because I think he has more to give and questions to answer. At least he posted a bit too. JEALOUS IS NOT AN OPTIONT? If this is not you defending Jealous, I don't know what it is. Also, if you really thought Jealous wagon was dodgy, that Grackaroni could be mafia and kept attacking people for calling Koshi mafia, you would hammer Koshi, not Jealous. I changed my mind. I also wanted to figure out rayn and didn't think he'd actually start playing till jealous was dead because he's a dick so I just pulled a fast one and voted jealous. I still stand by that I didn't really want to vote him but I definitely didn't want to vote df at that point and you switching and looking for any other lynch made me want to go to jealous with hilarious bait anyway.
Occam's razor, your reasoning here isn't sound enough against all the evidence I'm bringing to the table.
Feel free to defend yourself, but I'm not changing my mind and if town doesn't lynch you then we deserve to lose.
See you guys in 24 hours.
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On May 29 2018 08:10 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2018 08:05 GlowingBear wrote:Here are you protecting him AGAIN! On May 26 2018 22:18 Holyflare wrote:
you can't get more burnt out mafia than he is, Jealous has posted loads of pictures to do with posts and given actual reads and rayn is still voting him and calls me mafia for nothing and does absolutely nothing with it Is this false though gb?
Not false, but it's again you defending Jealous against Rayn pushing him
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On May 29 2018 08:12 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2018 07:59 Holyflare wrote:
All I have to do is read the last two pages of your filter where you spend 90% of it leaving me open as mafia for absolutely 0 reasons (you have mentioned nothing about me being mafia UNTIL I lynched mafia which is bull shit). I hadn't even posted anything this cycle and you were still all over it. Is this or is this not true? When did you begin to "think" I am mafia? The mafia progression is quite evident from setting me up as mafia and then finding things to fit the narrative instead of the other way around though.
I wasn't sure you were mafia until a few moments earlier. My reasoning is pretty sound right know. I have enough reasons to think you're mafia. Actually, I'm sure you are.
Sorry HF, I won't be talking to you anymore. You can defend yourself from my posts so people can choose between what they believe in, but I'm never, ever, changing my opinion on you.
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On May 29 2018 08:18 Holyflare wrote:
Classic mafia cop out post :D
"I won't ever change my mind on those posts I took out of context but have been setting up for the whole cycle"
You're better with you arguments when you're mafia. Try again.
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On May 29 2018 08:21 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2018 08:16 GlowingBear wrote:On May 29 2018 08:12 Holyflare wrote:On May 29 2018 07:59 Holyflare wrote:
All I have to do is read the last two pages of your filter where you spend 90% of it leaving me open as mafia for absolutely 0 reasons (you have mentioned nothing about me being mafia UNTIL I lynched mafia which is bull shit). I hadn't even posted anything this cycle and you were still all over it. Is this or is this not true? When did you begin to "think" I am mafia? The mafia progression is quite evident from setting me up as mafia and then finding things to fit the narrative instead of the other way around though. I wasn't sure you were mafia until a few moments earlier. My reasoning is pretty sound right know. I have enough reasons to think you're mafia. Actually, I'm sure you are. Sorry HF, I won't be talking to you anymore. You can defend yourself from my posts so people can choose between what they believe in, but I'm never, ever, changing my opinion on you. This isn't what I asked though is it? If this is the case and you'd never seen those posts in my filter until apparently just now then why is the last two pages of your filter outlining situations where I'm mafia?
Because I started to think you're mafia
I've pointed out reasons why I believe you're mafia with 1, 2 and 3.
You refuted 1, 2 and 3.
I went to you filter to prove 1, 2 and 3.
I read those posts and I was like OMG HOLYFLARE IS DEFINETLY MAFIA.
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Nice try to discredit me again, though.
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On May 29 2018 08:27 Holyflare wrote:
It's not hard to discredit madness :D :D
Koshi/gb/jealous is the trifecta. It's so obvious. You even say you don't think jealous is scummy but you'll vote him as the next leading wagon to save koshi (who you now say is conveniently the key to solving the game :D :D) but then still risk koshi getting lynched by unvoting jealous for a guy you don't actually care about voting.
Awesome narrative with unflipped association.
I tried to save koshi, my scumpartner, by voting jealous, my scumpartner. Then I risked killing koshi, my scumpartner.
HF I'm having so much fun right now
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On May 29 2018 08:40 byj wrote:Show nested quote +
I also don't like that he (byj) describes Koshi as not the most innocent seeming when Koshi had the same scum reads as him (Rels/Fuba). I'd be interested in his reason why Koshi seems scummy.
Show nested quote +On May 25 2018 22:20 Koshi wrote:
Town lean fuba atm. Very slightly but i think he will show progress along the road.
Show nested quote +On May 26 2018 04:44 Koshi wrote:
@byj: I understand that in your head your reasoning looks valid. But you are wrong. GB his play is not about trying to gain friends. Him taking a softer approach on LS is fine.
I would agree more with you if GB didnt went head on against rayn. If one is trying to play buddy buddy as mafia, one does not clynch with rayn and lick on LS. As mafia you more likely do the opposite. Kinda for the same reason I threw a vote onto GB, he seemed too "helpful".
If you're town you're voting HF immediately.
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On May 29 2018 08:41 Holyflare wrote:
It's not unflipped either. Koshi is very obviously mafia too. He doesn't give a shit about this game and has a group of mafia he never would as town. I don't believe he wouldn't be voting df right now since it should solve the game for him but he's voting ls for (???). He traditionally is very good at reading ls too so this seems really premature imo.
Why aren't you voting him already, then?
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On May 29 2018 08:54 Holyflare wrote:
Let me just clarify something gb. Do you think koshi is mafia?
No, I think he is town.
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On May 29 2018 08:43 byj wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2018 08:41 GlowingBear wrote:On May 29 2018 08:40 byj wrote:
I also don't like that he (byj) describes Koshi as not the most innocent seeming when Koshi had the same scum reads as him (Rels/Fuba). I'd be interested in his reason why Koshi seems scummy.
On May 25 2018 22:20 Koshi wrote:
Town lean fuba atm. Very slightly but i think he will show progress along the road.
On May 26 2018 04:44 Koshi wrote:
@byj: I understand that in your head your reasoning looks valid. But you are wrong. GB his play is not about trying to gain friends. Him taking a softer approach on LS is fine.
I would agree more with you if GB didnt went head on against rayn. If one is trying to play buddy buddy as mafia, one does not clynch with rayn and lick on LS. As mafia you more likely do the opposite. Kinda for the same reason I threw a vote onto GB, he seemed too "helpful". If you're town you're voting HF immediately. I'd rather stick to my own reads
Care to comment about what I've brought about HF?
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On May 29 2018 08:43 Holyflare wrote:
Why do I vote jealous and not df or stay on koshi gb? :D :D :D :D
Most important fact you left out.
You're capable of bussing to gain towncred and going against me.
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