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Ok. Gotta decide if I want to stick with DF when it's pointless, or just make sure the lynch isn't me by voting for Koshi :/ Seems like the two options people are actually considering are the two of us, so I guess I'll switch.##Vote: Koshi
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Ok. Gotta decide if I want to stick with DF when it's pointless, or just make sure the lynch isn't me by voting for Koshi :/ Seems like the two options people are actually considering are the two of us, so I guess I'll switch.##Vote: Koshi | ||
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On May 30 2018 07:17 LightningStrike wrote: Only reason I didn't vote is because idk if shannies going to happen or not. If you'd have voted earlier, I'd be flipping town in 40 minutes. Just sayin'. | ||
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On May 31 2018 09:54 fuba wrote: I'm at work. I disagree with your scumlist tho And I misread your post. I should only do this while I can focus. | ||
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I can understand a "meh" filter, but the "he talked about me all day and never voted me" isn't a reasonable angle, and you've mentioned it about 4 times now. | ||
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DF is kinda there as an afterthought and somewhat because of what I said yesterday. His spot could be filled by someone else - dunno who though. And I'm kind of locked in the thought of HF choosing between which of his two scum mates to hammer D1. | ||
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On June 01 2018 03:45 GlowingBear wrote: Just saw this in your filter and shenannies is actually the very opposite. I mean, seems super weird to just throw a vote out for absolutely no reason just to shake things up at the end of the night. I'm not just throwing around my vote all willy-nilly with zero reasoning behind it, and if that's what shenannies are, then I've never done shenannies. | ||
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It was mostly a comment on HF's apparent stubbornness, and the fact that Koshi not behaving exactly how HF says he would have might not have been a valid reason to vote him. | ||
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It's also likely that if he fights me on the read, I will not engage - I don't have the energy for prolonged discussions. | ||
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On June 01 2018 03:59 GlowingBear wrote: Okay. This would make byj, rels and LS town. Why could they be town, especially LS? If one of those two scumreads of yours flips town, then who would be mafia? I'd say byj gets some town points from me for actually trying to drum up discussion when most people seem absent. Between Rels and LS... Hard for me to say - I'll take a closer look at the votes for the last few days probably to get a better idea. I do remember that LS was saving his vote for shenannies for some reason, when if he had voted his day-long scumread I would have been the dead one instead of Koshi. Like, what shenannies was he saving himself for? He could have lynched his scum. Though now that I think of it - what reason does scum!LS have for not hammering me when he has set it up all day? I mean, I'd flip town, but scum has to be ready to accept some head for mislynches. I'd say it's weird reasoning, but not necessarily scummy. Considering my previous thoughts on Rels, I think I somehow got it all mixed up in my head. I was seeing his questioning of you regarding you voting Grack instead of LS as somewhat scum leaning, but I have no idea why that was the case - just seems like someone trying to figure out why someone isn't voting for their scum read instead of a random low-poster. Leaning town until I go through the vote counts more closely. Just realizing that my scumlist (HF DF) puts both of them on koshi D2 - not sure that really eliminated the possibility (that proposed scum team is kind of in bad luck after D2). | ||
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On June 01 2018 04:19 fuba wrote: I'd say byj gets some town points from me for actually trying to drum up discussion when most people seem absent. Between Rels and LS... Hard for me to say - I'll take a closer look at the votes for the last few days probably to get a better idea. I do remember that LS was saving his vote for shenannies for some reason, when if he had voted his day-long scumread I would have been the dead one instead of Koshi. Like, what shenannies was he saving himself for? He could have lynched his scum. Though now that I think of it - what reason does scum!LS have for not hammering me when he has set it up all day? I mean, I'd flip town, but scum has to be ready to accept some head for mislynches. I'd say it's weird reasoning, but not necessarily scummy. Considering my previous thoughts on Rels, I think I somehow got it all mixed up in my head. I was seeing his questioning of you regarding you voting Grack instead of LS as somewhat scum leaning, but I have no idea why that was the case - just seems like someone trying to figure out why someone isn't voting for their scum read instead of a random low-poster. Leaning town until I go through the vote counts more closely. Just realizing that my scumlist (HF DF) puts both of them on koshi D2 - not sure that really eliminated the possibility (that proposed scum team is kind of in bad luck after D2). Mmm... So basically... I don't know LOL Jesus I'm fluffy. | ||
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On June 01 2018 04:21 LightningStrike wrote: You know what GB I going to just do some work now starting with Vote count This all the confirmed/UnCCed stuff since I know mafia hold their shot. If Fuba was actually mafia then I was actually voting with mafia Day 1. If HF was mafia and knowing Koshi's alignment how come Mafia HF would lynch Jealous over Koshi Day 1 in that scenario? Doesn't make sense. I don't think Rels is mafia on filter but he's a pretty good scum player so by POE it would of been you df and byj. Now if mafia did shoot you then you're 100% scum so by PoE after that it is byj and df which is a bit strange as I never really read their filter tighly nor do I got a good case. My view of HF's actions D1 is that he was faced with three options: He "hammers" Jealous, he hammers DF, or he hammers Koshi. This will get complicated where DF is concerned, so I guess there's 4 options. HF hammers scum DF: He is seen as pretty firmly town, but GB is also seen as pretty firmly town cuz shenannies. A pretty good option. HF hammers town DF: Probably not good! Especially if we flip Jealous the next day and find out that DF was a counter-scum wagon. Terrible option. HF hammers town Koshi: Pretty much the same scenario as with town DF, but with more backlash. He is under scrutiny, people wonder why he didn't hammer either of the other two people, and this draws attention to Jealous, HF, and DF day 2. Regardless of DF's alignment, this is bad for scum!HF. HF hammers scum Jealous: This is the best of both worlds for HF (aside from losing a scumbuddy, albeit one who was barely playing at the end of D1 and would have been under constant scrutiny the whole game). GB switches from Jealous to DF. HF pretends he's going along with it, knowing that when he actually votes Jealous, and Jealous flips scum, that GB will look bad for shenannying off a scum wagon. This works whether DF is scum or not - either HF was forced into this decision by picking between two scumbuddies, or he didn't want to be the hammer on a town shenannywagon to save his relatively inactive scumbuddy. Also, if DF is scum, it kind of set him up as a "town counterwagon" to the scum Jealous wagon, simply by virtue of the aggression HF showed to GB after the flip. HF has given himself a reason to go hard against GB even though most people kind of agreed that GB was pretty townie. | ||
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On June 01 2018 04:24 GlowingBear wrote: Fuba, I like your recent posts but I have a hard time believing in some things you say. Here are my problems with your play: 1) You said that Koshi came to thread as genuine town, but voted him day1, and kept you vote on him when Jealous was the counterwagon, and you admitted Jealous was okay as a police lynch? I couldn't find a post where you scumread Koshi, so I don't understand what happened there. 2) After the day1 lynch, you never mentioned Koshi. Your vote on him looks was a survival vote. I feel it looks bad, if I'm town I'm not voting a townread over me, I'll try to convince people until the very end that my target is the best lynch, or I would get lynched. Care to explain these two points? 1) Long story short - D1 was kind of a toss-up for me. I saw Jealous as an ok lynch if you didn't want to deal with his drawings, but I was ok with him, but that doesn't mean he's town or scum. I liked rayn's reasoning for koshi, but upon reading his filter got some townie vibes from certain things he said. Really had no way of knowing which was right, and by the last hour of the day I felt the decision had been taken out of my hands. I thought it was clear Jealous was the lynch, and Koshi was safe, so I just went with it. 2) It was a survival vote - idk koshi's alignment, but I do know mine. I felt like koshi wasn't really arguing points other than "I typed more than fuba, he should be before me", as well, but that feels like a general lack of motivation when it comes from Koshi, so not the strongest indicator of alignment. I also know that there's little to defend myself with when I don't have much time (like I do now, to sit down and write for like 2 hours straight). I tried to get a DF lynch going, but you, koshi, and... someone else, I forget, refused to switch to it. So I had no choice but to save the person I knew was town, and hope that Koshi was not. | ||
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On June 01 2018 05:19 Holyflare wrote: If I am trying to eliminate people that are capable of talking against me in a game that I have not much time to play in then why do I try and lynch those people instead of just placating them and nking them instead? Why would I sit on an afk jealous and not kill Koshi? Doesn't really add up I'm afraid. Honestly, I thought Koshi was playing like shit. He wasn't involved in the thread, he threw out random reads that did not align with what I was thinking at all and there was no back and forth with people. He didn't have the Koshi spark at all. Thus, I've been pretty much using this unflipped association to base my entire game off of and it's pretty much backfired. I thought GB's pushes most of the game had ended up nowhere, with him not pushing anything in any direction and then him just looking for outs so that he could afk and do nothing (such as "omg vote hf I'll do nothing more"). Obviously now with the nk things have changed quite a lot. I don't know if he was shot or not. I have no actual reason to believe he was shot at all and think it's quite likely mafia held their shot if they were going to shoot because they'd have to basically kill grack or myself if GB is mafia and that narrows it down later in the game. I've just tried to apply logic to the day 1 vote count where we lynched mafia with 3 votes but apparently logic does not actually apply since mafia did not try and save their partner in any way, shape or form if GB is town. You can't shoot everyone, and supposedly two of the people I listed (rayn and GB) *were* shot by scum. If you're able to get town to kill the talkative townies, you don't have to shoot them or worry about a doc save. You can't just wait until we're three days in, get two mislynches on like, me and byj, and then feign innocence when GB and rayn are dead, and you still stand. So you need us to do your job for you or there's no way scum!HF make it to endgame. Is the Koshi spark a uniquely town Koshi trait? | ||
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