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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 25 2018 10:48 GMT
#201
On May 25 2018 09:42 fuba wrote:
Hiya - I'm at work :D

That list hurts, rayn 😭

do you think his list was serious ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 25 2018 10:48 GMT
#202
On May 25 2018 09:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No opinions, only facts.

Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 25 2018 11:00 GMT
#203
On May 25 2018 11:29 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2018 09:29 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 25 2018 09:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
fuck it this is right
##vote Holyflare
this is so right.

Why?

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so you think HF is town ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 25 2018 11:01 GMT
#204
On May 25 2018 11:34 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2018 11:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##unvote
##vote Jealous


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lol those pictures are so well done it's fucking impressive
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 25 2018 11:01 GMT
#205
No he thinks the likeliest option is a bus. Gb made the hierarchy of the orders.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 25 2018 11:03 GMT
#206
On May 25 2018 12:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2018 12:01 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 25 2018 11:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
where was i arguing about the read on you? because i completely missed his read on you in the first place...

Oh it sounded like you two were aruging about his read on me lol.

CXVNXCVNUIDH SJDASJDCNMC DD

this rage is townie :p
rayn, the pictures are awesome and pretty understandable
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 25 2018 11:04 GMT
#207
On May 25 2018 20:01 Holyflare wrote:
No he thinks the likeliest option is a bus. Gb made the hierarchy of the orders.

4<1<2<3, so 2 and 3 are most likely, and in both 2 and 3 you're town
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 25 2018 11:06 GMT
#208
On May 25 2018 12:59 GlowingBear wrote:
Less euphoric now, reading more carefully.

+ Show Spoiler +
On May 25 2018 12:37 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2018 11:40 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 25 2018 11:39 GlowingBear wrote:
But LS, you said our fight looked forced.
How did your read from "forced" to "natural" happened?

It looked forced at first but his read from scumreading you to townreading you was natural though given the posts after that.


I'm okay with you being town.


I'm no longer okay with you being town.
First I thought "LS has no reason to fake feeling our 'fight' is a bit forced and then flipping his position an calling both of us town", but then I thought "why is he calling me town for a post right after rayn said I was town for the same post?", felt like parroting. I don't know, I have to give this more thought.

LS, you've played with me as scum, didn't you? People never get me as scum day'1 because I am always a heavy poster. I don't know why you think I would be lazy as mafia. Plus "a fuzzy memory" doesn't look like a strong ground to call someone town.

@Rayn: Why am I town for that post? I called it a "shitpost" but you said you really mean it word by word. Is that true?

Show nested quote +
On May 25 2018 11:19 Grackaroni wrote:
I have no opinion on this fight whatsoever.


We can start voting you then, because it's impossible to not have even a weak opinion on my interaction with rayn.

##Unvote
##Vote: Grackaroni


Why are you talking about LS being scum in 99% of your post, then voting another dude ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 25 2018 11:10 GMT
#209
On May 25 2018 19:32 Holyflare wrote:
I don't think rayn's progression is towny. He goes from calling me mafia for shit reasons (that I didn't call out his post...? Hyper aware) to then calling out gb for also calling me mafia but he doesn't actually weigh up on gb's alignment and instead just attacks gb for an argument that is basically the same thing as his (at least he thought it was so why on earth was he initially attacking it?).

Then he votes jealous and gets mad and talks in codes for absolutely no reason. Looks like his pushes flopped and he's just clutching at straws for a reason to do not much imo.


Don't agree. I don't think the first part makes rayn anything. And for the code part, I think it's absolutely possible that rayn get annoyed and "fight back". For example, he got modkilled to prove a point in Resistance V, where he used the exact wording of BH to make a post that got him modkilled, then tried to show how BH was an hypocrit.
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 25 2018 11:14 GMT
#210
On May 25 2018 19:48 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2018 09:42 fuba wrote:
Hiya - I'm at work :D

That list hurts, rayn 😭

do you think his list was serious ?

Definitely XD
@theRealMkfuba07
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 25 2018 11:16 GMT
#211
On May 25 2018 20:06 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2018 12:59 GlowingBear wrote:
Less euphoric now, reading more carefully.

+ Show Spoiler +
On May 25 2018 12:37 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2018 11:40 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 25 2018 11:39 GlowingBear wrote:
But LS, you said our fight looked forced.
How did your read from "forced" to "natural" happened?

It looked forced at first but his read from scumreading you to townreading you was natural though given the posts after that.


I'm okay with you being town.


I'm no longer okay with you being town.
First I thought "LS has no reason to fake feeling our 'fight' is a bit forced and then flipping his position an calling both of us town", but then I thought "why is he calling me town for a post right after rayn said I was town for the same post?", felt like parroting. I don't know, I have to give this more thought.

LS, you've played with me as scum, didn't you? People never get me as scum day'1 because I am always a heavy poster. I don't know why you think I would be lazy as mafia. Plus "a fuzzy memory" doesn't look like a strong ground to call someone town.

@Rayn: Why am I town for that post? I called it a "shitpost" but you said you really mean it word by word. Is that true?

On May 25 2018 11:19 Grackaroni wrote:
I have no opinion on this fight whatsoever.


We can start voting you then, because it's impossible to not have even a weak opinion on my interaction with rayn.

##Unvote
##Vote: Grackaroni


Why are you talking about LS being scum in 99% of your post, then voting another dude ?

What are your thoughts on his LS reasoning?
@theRealMkfuba07
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 25 2018 11:16 GMT
#212
LS I have two questions for you.

On May 25 2018 10:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2018 09:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well i dont have time for chit-chat here, i made a terrible post on the last page, i even laughed at it myself and Holyflare decided to not comment on it while he has 100% read the game (aka 1 page) if town. Always. He should imo always comment on the terrible garbage in case he was town. So yeah, there we go.

Oh I thought you were going to call him scum for his opening and was going to argue he done similar entrances before as town but ya I see your point though. Anyways just got home now and can talk more not on my phone at least :D

I don't know if I believe you when you say you see his point. Can you explain his point to me ? What post is rayn talking about ?

On May 25 2018 10:53 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2018 10:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2018 10:45 GlowingBear wrote:
On May 25 2018 08:48 Holyflare wrote:
Town but no time


Uh-huh. Terrible opening.

"I made an opening to comment on stuff on the fly when i read the thread but then i decided to stop onto this post when the thread is like 20 posts in total".

:D

2 mafia down boyzz.


If Holyflare is town, he will come and comment stuff.
If Holyflare is town and has no time, he won't have time to comment that he has no time.

That's where I come from.

In this post, GB is calling HF scum for the reasonning you were gonna arguee with rayn on the post above:
On May 25 2018 10:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Oh I thought you were going to call him scum for his opening and was going to argue he done similar entrances before as town but ya I see your point though.:D

But when GB does it, you don't seem to react ? Why ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 25 2018 11:18 GMT
#213
On May 25 2018 20:14 fuba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2018 19:48 Rels wrote:
On May 25 2018 09:42 fuba wrote:
Hiya - I'm at work :D

That list hurts, rayn 😭

do you think his list was serious ?

Definitely XD

why ?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 25 2018 11:19 GMT
#214
On May 25 2018 20:04 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2018 20:01 Holyflare wrote:
No he thinks the likeliest option is a bus. Gb made the hierarchy of the orders.

4<1<2<3, so 2 and 3 are most likely, and in both 2 and 3 you're town


I don't know how maths works
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 25 2018 11:21 GMT
#215
On May 25 2018 20:16 fuba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2018 20:06 Rels wrote:
On May 25 2018 12:59 GlowingBear wrote:
Less euphoric now, reading more carefully.

+ Show Spoiler +
On May 25 2018 12:37 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2018 11:40 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 25 2018 11:39 GlowingBear wrote:
But LS, you said our fight looked forced.
How did your read from "forced" to "natural" happened?

It looked forced at first but his read from scumreading you to townreading you was natural though given the posts after that.


I'm okay with you being town.


I'm no longer okay with you being town.
First I thought "LS has no reason to fake feeling our 'fight' is a bit forced and then flipping his position an calling both of us town", but then I thought "why is he calling me town for a post right after rayn said I was town for the same post?", felt like parroting. I don't know, I have to give this more thought.

LS, you've played with me as scum, didn't you? People never get me as scum day'1 because I am always a heavy poster. I don't know why you think I would be lazy as mafia. Plus "a fuzzy memory" doesn't look like a strong ground to call someone town.

@Rayn: Why am I town for that post? I called it a "shitpost" but you said you really mean it word by word. Is that true?

On May 25 2018 11:19 Grackaroni wrote:
I have no opinion on this fight whatsoever.


We can start voting you then, because it's impossible to not have even a weak opinion on my interaction with rayn.

##Unvote
##Vote: Grackaroni


Why are you talking about LS being scum in 99% of your post, then voting another dude ?

What are your thoughts on his LS reasoning?

not bad, it's true that LS changed his read after rayn did it, then justified it with "fuzzy meta".
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 25 2018 11:22 GMT
#216
On May 25 2018 20:19 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2018 20:04 Rels wrote:
On May 25 2018 20:01 Holyflare wrote:
No he thinks the likeliest option is a bus. Gb made the hierarchy of the orders.

4<1<2<3, so 2 and 3 are most likely, and in both 2 and 3 you're town


I don't know how maths works

I Will (lol, get it) never hire you then p:
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
May 25 2018 11:24 GMT
#217
On May 25 2018 20:18 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2018 20:14 fuba wrote:
On May 25 2018 19:48 Rels wrote:
On May 25 2018 09:42 fuba wrote:
Hiya - I'm at work :D

That list hurts, rayn 😭

do you think his list was serious ?

Definitely XD

why ?

Was kidding
@theRealMkfuba07
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 25 2018 11:45 GMT
#218
Just woke up and saw that HF went from calling me scum into only a very slight town in a spam of a few minutes? Did get a question:
On May 25 2018 20:16 Rels wrote:
LS I have two questions for you.

Show nested quote +
On May 25 2018 10:26 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 25 2018 09:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well i dont have time for chit-chat here, i made a terrible post on the last page, i even laughed at it myself and Holyflare decided to not comment on it while he has 100% read the game (aka 1 page) if town. Always. He should imo always comment on the terrible garbage in case he was town. So yeah, there we go.

Oh I thought you were going to call him scum for his opening and was going to argue he done similar entrances before as town but ya I see your point though. Anyways just got home now and can talk more not on my phone at least :D

I don't know if I believe you when you say you see his point. Can you explain his point to me ? What post is rayn talking about ?

Show nested quote +
On May 25 2018 10:53 GlowingBear wrote:
On May 25 2018 10:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 25 2018 10:45 GlowingBear wrote:
On May 25 2018 08:48 Holyflare wrote:
Town but no time


Uh-huh. Terrible opening.

"I made an opening to comment on stuff on the fly when i read the thread but then i decided to stop onto this post when the thread is like 20 posts in total".

:D

2 mafia down boyzz.


If Holyflare is town, he will come and comment stuff.
If Holyflare is town and has no time, he won't have time to comment that he has no time.

That's where I come from.

In this post, GB is calling HF scum for the reasonning you were gonna arguee with rayn on the post above:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2018 10:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Oh I thought you were going to call him scum for his opening and was going to argue he done similar entrances before as town but ya I see your point though.:D

But when GB does it, you don't seem to react ? Why ?

Rayn's point was he thought a town HF would of called out rayn for his post here(assuming correct quote):
On May 25 2018 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
well, we need to lynch ppl in this order:


11. Jealous
9. fuba
6. LightningStrike
2. GlowingBear
4. darthfoley
5. Holyflare
7. Koshi
12. Eversince
3. Grackaroni
10. Rels

newbie is excused ofc.

Thus I can see where he coming from because HF didn't touch that post at all but I didn't think he was scum for it.
I'll be honest I did miss that quote entirely by GB but I did follow the rest of the fight much closer though >.<
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 25 2018 11:47 GMT
#219
On May 25 2018 12:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2018 12:01 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 25 2018 11:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
where was i arguing about the read on you? because i completely missed his read on you in the first place...

Oh it sounded like you two were aruging about his read on me lol.

CXVNXCVNUIDH SJDASJDCNMC DD

I tried to translate this post before going to bed but had no clue which code he is using anyone got a clue on which code rayn was using in this post and his post to babo?
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 25 2018 11:50 GMT
#220
On May 25 2018 20:21 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2018 20:16 fuba wrote:
On May 25 2018 20:06 Rels wrote:
On May 25 2018 12:59 GlowingBear wrote:
Less euphoric now, reading more carefully.

+ Show Spoiler +
On May 25 2018 12:37 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2018 11:40 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 25 2018 11:39 GlowingBear wrote:
But LS, you said our fight looked forced.
How did your read from "forced" to "natural" happened?

It looked forced at first but his read from scumreading you to townreading you was natural though given the posts after that.


I'm okay with you being town.


I'm no longer okay with you being town.
First I thought "LS has no reason to fake feeling our 'fight' is a bit forced and then flipping his position an calling both of us town", but then I thought "why is he calling me town for a post right after rayn said I was town for the same post?", felt like parroting. I don't know, I have to give this more thought.

LS, you've played with me as scum, didn't you? People never get me as scum day'1 because I am always a heavy poster. I don't know why you think I would be lazy as mafia. Plus "a fuzzy memory" doesn't look like a strong ground to call someone town.

@Rayn: Why am I town for that post? I called it a "shitpost" but you said you really mean it word by word. Is that true?

On May 25 2018 11:19 Grackaroni wrote:
I have no opinion on this fight whatsoever.


We can start voting you then, because it's impossible to not have even a weak opinion on my interaction with rayn.

##Unvote
##Vote: Grackaroni


Why are you talking about LS being scum in 99% of your post, then voting another dude ?

What are your thoughts on his LS reasoning?

not bad, it's true that LS changed his read after rayn did it, then justified it with "fuzzy meta".

Ugh I never gave a read on gb prior to what I said was my read on him? The fuzzy meta ya I can see why it's weak but I only remember wgs getting on gb's ass in a scum game when I was scum with him but I don't remember if he was lazy that game or not. I don't think he he would of tried to do that stuff to show past stuff and quoting it the he did to rayn as scum so (shrugs).
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
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