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On April 08 2018 07:11 Calix wrote:


Found Oatsmaster's smurf

On April 08 2018 14:41 GlowingBear wrote:
Mr. Calix and Mr. Rayn

I particularly disliked this exchange:

+ Show Spoiler +

Vivax joke was really obvious, I don't like this question "Why make it more challenging?" like he is pursuing more information - but he really isn't. Feels forced.

Now this:
+ Show Spoiler +

When he posted this I already voted him. He didn't react to it, he didn't try to understand what was happening. He ignored it and decided to ask Eversince that question. Again, why asking that and completely ignoring my vote? Ignoring it sounds like he froze and decided to go against anything else.

On April 08 2018 14:46 Tubesock wrote:
Gb makes me smile. Towny points.

On April 08 2018 10:21 Damdred wrote:


Yeah but why is it defensive if he is busy irl, thats kinda a meh read from you vivax.

But really I feel like his thing hes doing with the thing he noticed about calix and dragging ever and rayn into it just seems town to me. Town for GB he generally cant fake enthusiasm like that as scum by my recollevtion.

On April 08 2018 10:43 currentlyhomeless wrote:
anyone around at this hour to talk? I am in Asia so I wonder if I will have no buddies

Someone tell me the run down of who’s good and who’s not in this game. If it seems legit maybe I’ll actually consider you town

On April 08 2018 18:53 Calix wrote:
If you don't think there's such a thing as too scummy to be scum then yeah, I'd like to know why you think Vivax's dumb post is "town dumb" then.

A questionable progression isn't a reason to suspect someone is mafia? Yes, I said that it 'might' make him mafia as I would like an explanation from him first but there's still plenty of content to comment from.

And if you thought it didn't say anything then again, why WOULDN'T you respond to it saying that at the time? Here's what you're claiming. Your mafia read a makes long accusatory post "which doesn't say anything" on someone you town-lean and you're claiming you just ignored it until I prodded you for a response?

Yeah, I don't believe you.

##vote raynpelikoneet

On April 08 2018 20:35 currentlyhomeless wrote:


To use your own quote, there isn’t much point in me “doing” anything (whatever that means, posting stupid one liners?) especially this early.

With that said,

##vote Holyflare

On April 08 2018 21:52 Skynx wrote:
Wassup guys?

I caught two scum.

1. GlowingBear
   
   This is different than what Vivax picked up on, look at the timestamps here:
   
   On April 08 2018 06:59 GlowingBear wrote:
   My god this is a slow start.
   It's saturday night, people!
   It's not like we're sociable people pursuing sex.
   
   Are we?
   
   
   
   On April 08 2018 07:14 GlowingBear wrote:
   Ok, time's up. Going to the theatre and then some alcohol.
   
   I won't be posting until tomorrow. I can't access my account on my phone.
   
   Buh-bye!
   
   15 mins between "I'm super excited let's play!" and "k i'm going out". And then'
   
   
   On April 08 2018 12:53 GlowingBear wrote:
   

   Show nested quote +
   

   On April 08 2018 08:23 Holyflare wrote:
   

   On April 08 2018 07:14 GlowingBear wrote:
   Ok, time's up. Going to the theatre and then some alcohol.
   
   I won't be posting until tomorrow. I can't access my account on my phone.
   
   Buh-bye!
   
   Sent from my Android.

   
   
   

   
   
   ROFL
   
   
   5:40 til he comes back. Whichever way you look at it it's not plausible. I can imagine scum motivations of doing this but let's not theorycrraft here. Point is there is just a chain of lies here which you really don't need if you're town.
   
   
2. raynpelikoneet
   
   On April 08 2018 12:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
   What is the time difference in #118 and #121? Cant see that on phone.
   
   He (appears as) thinks he possibly caught something here. Then completely abandons it. That just doesn't add up. What town!rayn does here is:
   
   1) Quote the posts to look at timestamp difference.
   2) If he really didn't learn that in i dunno how many years in tl mafia, ask someone else again to check it.
   3) If what he inquires turns out to be nothing, he'd be like "ok ignore this guys i though i saw something"
   
   I remember that one game (town!rayn) I said something in the thread that didn't really mean what i meant and he just didn't let it go for 2 straight day cycles. I also noticed in classic mafia (mafia!rayn) he was so laid back and non-inquisitive, kinda leaving ties loose as in here.
   
   
   On April 08 2018 12:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
   Homelessperson are you from the same forum noobking is?
   
   Kinda contemplates the above. What is the point of this question? How exactly does an information that homeless is or is not from the same forum as noobking helps him or town playing this game or make a read on him??
   
   I think this is scum rayn just throwing random questions out there that has nothing to do with anything other than to look town and to appear scumhunting i guess..
   
   

rayn is already under fire and has much to answer to so I'll vote GB.

On April 08 2018 22:56 Calix wrote:
Skynx can go into the townpile. Seems inquisitive and observant, shows a willingness to change his opinions based on new evidence, and doesn't seem to have any preconceived conclusions with his posts. Would not lynch today.

On April 09 2018 02:09 Calix wrote:
Fair play. I can admit that my accusation post was a bit OTT. I was just like "WOO FOUND MAFIA" and wasn't thinking

Anyway, the tl;dr of what I was going to say about your wall-post is that I wasn't meaning to 'accuse' GB when I asked him that question. It was just something I found, thought "hey this might be interesting" and posted it because why not, it's the early game. It's not that deep, basically.

Vivax was more of an accusation post but not 100% because I wanted clarification first. Dunno, I think the problem here is that you misread my intentions as being more...aggressive? than I intended them to be. And then you think I am scummy because I don't go about doing...whatever it is you think I should be doing. Hard to explain.

This doesn't really touch on a lot of what you wrote since, as said, I haven't properly read your post and absorbed it, but you can ask me questions to clarify things I haven't talked about in the meantime. You seem to have more free time now.

Also me being a raging hypocrite isn't AI.

On April 09 2018 02:26 Calix wrote:


I'm aware you have used the 'no right answers' read in the past but that wasn't my intent. All I can really say there.

My argument for you being mafia was that you kept calling me things that made me mafia but hadn't really 'committed' yourself to that read which I thought was suspicious. Since a vote would have shown some commitment to the read, I talked about that as an example of 'not showing commitment'.

Since you have now cased me, this argument is no longer applicable.

I did notice HF not voting for you after calling you "mafia rayn". I just don't have a strong opinion on it other than "that's weird, I'll make a note of that for later" because he hasn't done anything else whereas you had the multiple posts calling me mafia.

On April 09 2018 04:29 Calix wrote:


I hate to break the news to you, but I'm not you. Therefore saying that I'm scummy for reading people for different reasons to you is an invalid argument. I am happy with my town-read on Skynx. Deal with it.

Yes, I haven't unvoted and have no plans to. Because unvoting without having someone else to vote for is dumb. But right now, I'm not going to push for a lynch on someone that I am less sure of.

So because I didn't respond to a generic question in the way you would, I'm scummy? Again, I'm not you, and accusing me on the basis that I didn't say "Vivax/ rayn" for "best lynches" is pedantic. And non-committal? I've taken more stances than most of the game has.

I'm not going to feign confidence in my scum-reads if I am not actually as confident as I used to be.

On April 09 2018 05:19 GlowingBear wrote:


3. Oatsmaster
6. Eversince
7. currentlyhomeless
12. Vivax

Good question. Other than Skynx and even you, I'd lynch Oats, Vivax, Eversince, currentlyhomeless.

Oats because OMGUS
Vivax because if I remember correctly, Vivax is a intense poster as town, and a lacking one as scum.
Eversince because well, I just remember talking to her and nothing else.
currentlyhomeless because my god just play the game instead of shitting on everything people post.

That's it for now.

On April 09 2018 11:06 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok you voted Calix. Care to explain? You said my reasoning was terrible the first time you came in thread.

And what do you think of Vivax?

On April 09 2018 11:58 kushm4sta wrote:


Why not oats.. why not then..
Looks like scum to me.

On April 09 2018 12:27 GlowingBear wrote:


To be fair, I think he may be a good lynch. I have no reason to actually townread him and Calix at least is active.

Answer me this, please: isn't it possible that Calix, as town, is simply reevaluating her read on rayn ?

On April 09 2018 12:31 Tubesock wrote:


Why not?

On April 09 2018 12:39 GlowingBear wrote:


So, if Calix flips red, does that mean Rayn is also mafia?

On April 09 2018 12:40 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, ok
Oats

Can you make a list of your reads atm?

On April 09 2018 14:15 Eversince wrote:


I don't see Calix as mafia. Skynx's post on GB/Rayn got no traction at all. I'll assume with 13 players there is at least 3 mafia. For it to gain no traction when most active are skeptical of Rayn just seems wrong to me.

On April 09 2018 14:29 Eversince wrote:
Oat's doesn't even have a case on Calix I believe?

On April 09 2018 14:40 Eversince wrote:



Yes, I read. I think she is genuine. People make mistakes. I like her post. She has been one of the most vocal players here. She made a read, changed it, said so, and moved on. Props girl.

On April 09 2018 14:46 Eversince wrote:


where is it?

On April 09 2018 14:50 Eversince wrote:


Yes, it was. The prior was for Rayn/Calix. That was like 2-3 pages worth of back and forth not 2-3 post. I thought they were fine.

Skynx getting no support makes me think he's not mafia because Rayn under fire and pressure by half the damn thread makes no sense for the mafia to be l'oh, well wtf ever, we dun mind afk'.

That's just stupid.

On April 09 2018 14:57 Eversince wrote:



1). Skynx makes terrible case.
2) I decide it's terrible case.
3) I point out why it's ok from a town point of view even though it's a terrible case.
4) I repeat myself 65536 times that I Don't Think Skynx Is Scum.

Pick out why you think it makes him one or it I'm going to put all of my attention there.

On April 09 2018 14:57 Tubesock wrote:
Ever means that despite half the thread giving Rayne heat not a single one was mafia therefore all who did were town. That if mafia tries to lynch someone halfway through the day they will surely succeed and would only do it in one coordinated effort.

On April 09 2018 14:59 Eversince wrote:


No I meant if it was a mafia driven lynch they would of just beat around the bush for 24 hrs then fucked off. They would of setup a diversion, and a backup, and pushed off onto one of those after Rayn failed. This whole concept is why Skynx isn't scum. Stop voting for him darnit.

On April 09 2018 13:50 Eversince wrote:
But he did nothing with it? If it came from mafia Skynx I assume his team would be behind him? It was just a wall post that everyone seems to dismiss. You see what I'm saying?

On April 09 2018 14:15 Eversince wrote:

I don't see Calix as mafia. Skynx's post on GB/Rayn got no traction at all. I'll assume with 13 players there is at least 3 mafia. For it to gain no traction when most active are skeptical of Rayn just seems wrong to me.

On April 09 2018 15:04 Tubesock wrote:


Right.

I don’t see how this has anything to do with what I’ve said though. Is this a point for Skynx being town?

On April 09 2018 15:09 currentlyhomeless wrote:


Yep, I’m the greatest!

It would be great if you sheeped me and voted HF, cause HF is flipping scum.

On April 09 2018 15:13 Tubesock wrote:


Huh?

Ever means that despite half the thread giving Rayne heat not a single one was mafia therefore all who did were town

On April 09 2018 15:19 Eversince wrote:
Yes, and that's fine TS. I mention that before. I think you're wrong but at least you reason out your thoughts. I hope you are around long enough I can talk to you tonight.

On April 09 2018 15:49 GlowingBear wrote:
I should re-read Calix but cba =/

On April 09 2018 19:10 n00bKing wrote:

Based on Eversince's super-low post count, I would assume the vast majority of her Mafia experience comes from elsewhere. And I think a lot of what she's said would make sense for non-TL games, where you DO see a lot more coordination, strategy, and a well-defined "scum agenda" than what is often seen in the games here, where you sometimes wouldn't be able to tell if all the scum players were actually even reading the scum QT during Day Phases, and most members of the team are just doing whatever comes into their heads, without any planning, or forethought, or understanding of how it will impact their teammates.

But anyway, even if Scum were to set up "a diversion" and "a backup" that doesn't mean that a scum Skynx's teammates would have to help him out with a push against a town rayn, before gauging the TOWN'S interest in pursuing the lynch. So even once I decide that her premise is logical for non-TL games, I still don't think her premise actually supports her conclusion. Skynx could easily be Town, but this is not good reasoning for deciding that he's Town.

On April 09 2018 21:04 Eversince wrote:
Look at his filter. All of it is 'This is wrong' Ignores caring about. Doesn't push. Doesn't fish around (Like right now! I am here but nothing?)

On April 09 2018 22:00 Vivax wrote:


Cool so you are not interested into my alignment at all or explaining where I should be with my reads so I can dunk all of your expectations. Sorry, but I am willing and ready to go into detail about anything you want, but you refuse.

I am still fully expecting you to do this:

HF

"Vivax should be reading this guy and this guy and this guy as this cause..."

so I can do this:

Vivax:

"No but I actually read them as this cause l..."

On April 10 2018 00:39 Vivax wrote:
Honestly he just behaves like an asshole towards me from the start cause I ask him to explicate what the fuck it means that I don't have the read that he expects me to, he refuses and no one accepts to try and talk on my terms or point out that the argumentation from HF is fucking unfair. It's a fucking assholeish environment and doesn't make me want to play.

Would also lynch Calix at this point without caring for her alignment.

On April 10 2018 00:46 Vivax wrote:


Yes it is, cause that's how HF said it works so if you don't agree with it you don't agree with HF.

On April 10 2018 00:49 n00bKing wrote:

It explains to you that I think you should have been attacking her eventual conclusion (about the townread on Skynx, and how she reached it), and not her initial premise (about how a team of Mafia would or should operate).

On April 09 2018 22:17 Calix wrote:


I'm not feeling anything in particular. I think people misread the language I use as being 'angry' when it's just how I talk. If I was actually angry then it would be obvious.

I agree with his Vivax posts. However I don't really trust him. He accused rayn after I did. Now he accuses Vivax alongside me. Looks like a pattern. Nothing substantial to back it up, just wary.

I would probably not want to lynch him today though. Vivax looks well bad even without HF's points.

On April 10 2018 00:53 n00bKing wrote:

Well hi there.

Ummm...bump?

On April 10 2018 00:56 Vivax wrote:


How am I being inconsistent Oats?

On April 10 2018 00:59 n00bKing wrote:

I wasn't talking about walls of text at all. I had been talking about early posts, before the walls came. What will make his filter useless to town players later in the game is that you can't tell what he's responding to, who he's talking about, or in some cases, who he's even talking TO.

On April 10 2018 01:03 Vivax wrote:


Hey mate the moment I wrote that ES ninjad my post with her claim so I wasn't able to rule her out and Calix was the next leading wagon with two votes so both qualified for me as possible HF teammates. Either that or Skynx and N00b could have been the ones I just wrote about that rustled HFs jimmies.

Either way the post was centric about what could have been the reason for mafia HF to go all out, not who the leading wagon was.

On April 10 2018 01:04 n00bKing wrote:

...the same reason anyone else would do it as scum but not as town. To make their filter useless to town players later in the game. It doesn't take 2 seconds to find the scum motivation for his behavior.

On April 10 2018 01:06 Vivax wrote:
Wait a moment now that I'm not busy defending myself against BS I can start dishing out.
FIrst of all let me point out the following:



This is the very first question that came to n00bkings mind and neither is it answered nor is he trying to get it answered when it's obvious he's in the thread with HF so it's safe to assume the two don't even read each others posts and now you go and tell me how unlikely it is that they are both mafia.

On April 10 2018 01:09 Calix wrote:


Why are you still mafia-reading me exactly?

Most of your recent posts have been devoid of anything relating to a "read" aside from some weird mixture of talking about Vivax while not wanting to lynch him three hours before EOD. And it's weird because it shows a lack of priorities.

On April 10 2018 01:09 Calix wrote:


Why are you still mafia-reading me exactly?

Most of your recent posts have been devoid of anything relating to a "read" aside from some weird mixture of talking about Vivax while not wanting to lynch him three hours before EOD. And it's weird because it shows a lack of priorities.

On April 10 2018 01:14 GlowingBear wrote:
Like, come on oats, that backpedalling is bad but it could be town.

I have plenty of other suspicions, but Skynx just sounds like the best lynch. You know it.

On April 10 2018 01:14 GlowingBear wrote:
Like, come on oats, that backpedalling is bad but it could be town.

I have plenty of other suspicions, but Skynx just sounds like the best lynch. You know it.

On April 10 2018 01:16 GlowingBear wrote:
Vivax, I'm reading your posts and I don't like them, especially when you come in the thread and OMGUS Holyflare. I don't think Holyflare is a strong townread, but at least he is not particularly scummy, and you know that I'm the first person to go against someone like Holyflare.

On April 10 2018 00:53 Oatsmaster wrote:

How does vivax look bad if you assume HF never posted about him?

On April 10 2018 01:17 GlowingBear wrote:


It's not.

He drops two bad cases and decides to vote me instead of rayn because rayn had a lot to answer yet.
What kind of thought process is that? You vote for the best lynch. Always.

On April 10 2018 01:18 GlowingBear wrote:


He just came back to the thread saying that if people can't consider Holyflare as mafia he won't play again in these forums. Just because Holyflare started a wagon on him.

On April 10 2018 01:21 GlowingBear wrote:


There

On April 10 2018 00:12 GlowingBear wrote:
I must say our votecount looks terrible.
Here is a list of people that we should be lynching today:

1. Skynx
4. ExO_
6. Eversince
7. currentlyhomeless
8. Calix
12. Vivax
13.Damdred

In order of my preference:

Skynx is the best option. He came to the thread, made a very bad case and instead of choosing his most scumread, he voted me because "rayn had a lot of questions to answer". This is not a townie thought process. A town lynches the scummiest and votes the scummiest. Also, he just peaced out of the game.

Vivax doesn't sound like Vivax. Not contributive. Not chasing information in thread.

Exo sounds so emotionally dettached from the game. Also calling me out without further pursuing me was weird. He isn't really commenting on the hot topics of the thread, but mostly following his own agenda.

Calix, I don't know. I can see her changing her POV on rayn and me. But it feels so weird. Especially when rayn attacks her agreeing with me she looked scummy, then she also scumreads him, and then they both drop their scumreads in a flinch.

Currentlyhomeless, currentlyuseless.

Damdred, he is simply not playing the game and I hate it.

On April 10 2018 01:23 Oatsmaster wrote:

Lies

On April 10 2018 01:25 GlowingBear wrote:


I'm not sure on rayn and I don't think HF and rayn are day1 lynches, that's why they aren't in that list.

Come on.

On April 10 2018 01:23 Calix wrote:


Isn't this just asking why I think Vivax is mafia? My current opinion is that his posts are bland and uninteresting. He hasn't said anything engaging. He has an entire scum-team theory yet I do not give a damn about ANY of his scum-reads.

Instead of pushing his reads, he takes on this defeatist attitude about convincing others to vote for his reads.

He called me town despite saying I was pushing rayn for false reasons (which is not a town tell ever) and never explained that despite me asking him about 39580670 times.

His reaction to being called out about the "HF pushing me because a mafia's on the line" quote looks like flailing scum to me.

I also don't get why he's getting emotional. Which is not necessarily scummy by itself but it's not helping me think he's town.

On April 10 2018 01:32 n00bKing wrote:

I assume you've found your Day 1 lynch then: Fecalfeast.

Alright, so duplicate roles are possible. If a Gunsmith happens along who hadn't seen Eversince's claim yet (lets say Damdred, for example) then there would be very minimal value in performing the counterclaim.

On the upside, no such thing as a mafia Gunsmith. If Eversince is able to pass a gun to who we tell her to pass it to, she's verified Town. There also cannot be a mafia Jailer to stop her from passing a gun, so she'll only be stopped by a mafia roleblocker.

I randomly feel like there's a decent chance of there being a mafia roleblocker in the game, so even if her claim is real instead of fake, I don't necessarily expect a gun to get passed on Night 1. But even though she's a better lynch now than before the claim, I'm inclined to at least give her the opportunity.

There are still 2 votes on her, but unless someone disagrees with the above, I think those votes should move off, instead of being added to.

On April 10 2018 01:34 Calix wrote:


Picking the most 'eccentric' read and acting like that negates all my other points is bad. Since you think he's town, feel free to try and change my mind.

Why do you say I'm biased? Reads like you think I am town while you call me scum.

On April 10 2018 01:38 n00bKing wrote:

By NO means did I say she is probably Town. In fact, I specifically said she's more likely to be Mafia now than before the roleclaim. But I think we should give her the opportunity to try and pass a gun anyway. HF is obviously not convinced that she is "probably town" either. And neither of us are in the two VOTES against her.

On April 10 2018 01:39 Damdred wrote:
Ive had an emergency at work I'm finishing up I won't make deadline and have 10 minutes before I enter no cell phone zone again.

Will look at the main wagons and vote but just from a glance I dont like the vivac lynch

On April 10 2018 01:40 Calix wrote:


ExO_. I haven't filtered him since he's not up for lynch at all but he was making some weird, timid posts when I was with him in the thread. The one where he tells Vivax and I to call it off when Vivax and I were not even fighting was out of place. And he hadn't called me town before that post. Otherwise he has "safe" reads and "okay" posts. Fits the profile of mafia skirting by.

Damdred possible third.

On April 10 2018 01:43 Damdred wrote:
I voted calix for now, I am behind and will try to run to the bathroom near eod to check things. Emergency ends today at 5 so will be normal posting from then on.

On April 10 2018 01:44 Calix wrote:


Don't have anyone else I think is mafia at the moment. I don't think much of his actual posts.

On April 10 2018 01:42 n00bKing wrote:

Well I guess that explains why I said neither of those things, then.

On April 10 2018 01:47 Calix wrote:


Because I want Vivax dead or spewing townie out the arse. EOD =/= time to do srs filter-diving to find mafia.

On April 10 2018 01:47 Calix wrote:
Why exactly do you think Damdred is super-town, Oats? Do share.

On April 10 2018 01:47 n00bKing wrote:

1) Since this ruleset allows for duplicate roles, a counterclaim from a real Gunsmith will not be as damaging as it would be otherwise. Good reason to fake claim a power role instead of just trying to pass for Vanilla.

2) Since this particular ruleset doesn't keep the roleblocker from choosing the same target on successive nights, Mafia Eversince has a never-ending excuse for failing to pass the gun and verifying her roleclaim.

3) Since this particular ruleset doesn't give notifications to people when they are roleblocked, the mafia roleblocker can continue to roleblock town players while Mafia Eversince pretends to be roleblocked, and no Town players can say "but I was roleblocked too..."

Not all rulesets will follow ANY of those three parameters, much less all three of them. But THIS game presents something of a perfect storm, for a fake Gunsmith claim.

On April 10 2018 01:51 Calix wrote:


Have you seen the votes? lol. Best time to be a Drama Queen :D

On April 10 2018 01:53 Vivax wrote:
Voted Skynx.

Still waiting on N00bking to post anything that looks like he's trying to solve the game. Cause talking about what could happen at night is something he can talk about at night and just looks like he's posting filler.

On April 10 2018 01:56 Calix wrote:


Mafia!Vivax ignores it because he can't think of a legit explanation for it, duh. And he recently said he was 'too busy responding to other posts' to respond to mine so that would be the town!Vivax explanation.

On April 10 2018 02:00 n00bKing wrote:

Claim something that can't be verified, and people might say "meh, that can't be verified" and then be more inclined to lynch through the claim. With THIS claim, they might reflexively think it CAN be verified, without realizing until later that it actually cannot.

And claim so far from EoD if she legitimately wanted to leave the thread and go to bed.

She told Vivax she would be around for another 45 minutes to an hour. An hour later she finds herself in the vote lead, at the time she's supposed to be leaving. So she makes the claim. As the excuse for the early claim, she says her "time is up." But she then spends the entire next HOUR defending herself, when she sees that people are NOT reacting positively to the claim. After that hour, she OFFICIALLY declares that she is now going to bed. (Like, for realsies, this time, peoples.) But then spends ANOTHER half hour defending herself from new posts instead. Spending 90 minutes defending herself, when the entire excuse behind the early claim was that she was "out of time" and had to leave.

If she were actually Town, then this post:

could very well have been the last thing she said, instead of us seeing all the things that followed it. But if she were scum and felt increased responsibility/obligation to her teammates (since there are fewer of them, if she's scum) then that might explain the 90 minutes she kept getting dragged into answering new posts.

I also can't say I care for the fact that she freely discussed reads on everyone from Vivax to DAMDRED (who had been long-term AFK), but ONE topic she refused to discuss (even when asked directly) was WHY she put her VOTE where it is. That's really bad.

But in the face of ALL that, I would give her the opportunity to try and pass the gun on Night 1. If she's Town, maybe we'll get lucky and the scum will not have a roleblocker to stop her with.

On April 10 2018 02:03 n00bKing wrote:

"duh" is an appropriate addition to the answers to WAY too many of oatsmaster's questions. Is that normal for him?

On April 10 2018 02:11 n00bKing wrote:

If she were Town, it makes sense to me that she would have gone ahead and left the thread much nearer to the time she actually said she was going to. Instead of repeatedly saying things like "believe me or don't, I don't care" and "fucking lynch me then" but continuing to defend and defend and defend.

If she were Town, she should have answered a simple and direct question about why her vote went where it went, instead of talking about everyone BUT her lynch target.

These things were both already mentioned in the post you quoted when you asked. y u no read?

On April 10 2018 02:08 Calix wrote:


No because I still don't think he's done anything that 'townie' and his posts are more "meh" which is why I am happy with my current vote. If you think I am wrong then point out where he's done something townie and ELI5. I could be tunneled with "Vivax is underperforming mafia", I will admit, but I don't see anything convincing for him being town.

Furthermore, there is also a lot of resistance to his lynch and some pushes towards Skynx (who I think is town but we'll see how he responds to this EOD), n00b (I agree he hasn't posted many explicit reads but I am not convinced this is AI for him), myself (pretty terrible D1 lynch if I say so myself), etc.

@n00bking, I do not know much about Oats' play so I couldn't tell you, lol.

On April 10 2018 02:22 Calix wrote:


No, I said that Vivax already explained a scenario you posited in the thread, which would thus be the explanation for his actions were Vivax to flip town. Because that's what Vivax is claiming happened.

I think this answer was exceedingly obvious, thus making your question terrible.

Has this rather long discussion with moi furthered your read on me in any way?

On April 10 2018 02:27 n00bKing wrote:

LOL

Do you have any evidence that people care more about being mislynched as a power role than they care about being lynched as scum? Because "saying it doesn't make it true." Every scum role is more important to its team than ANY power role is important to the town.

What's not to get?! She parks her vote on me, 100% out of nowhere, and says it's the "best place" for it. And then proceeds to discuss anything and everything EXCEPT the player she voted against, and why that is the best place for that vote. Even when directly asked for her reasoning...silence. Yet although she can't be asked to explain her VOTE, or talk about why it's there, or really even make any further mention of the player it's on, she stayed that extra 90 minutes to talk about reads on OTHER players, including even Damdred, who had been a full-blown AFK for quite some time.

On April 10 2018 02:55 Calix wrote:


I am pretty sure this is incorrect. However I do not care to check since I do not understand where you're going with this.

Again, have any of your interactions with me changed your read at all?

On April 10 2018 02:59 Holyflare wrote:


Go away unless you read.

On April 10 2018 03:02 Calix wrote:


You've interacted with me for like, two pages and you're no more or less convinced on what my alignment is despite me answering a shitload of your questions.

Don't think I believe you.

On April 10 2018 03:08 n00bKing wrote:

*spit-take*

"uncced" means zero in this game. Mafia has no fear of a counterclaim. And in games with role duplication, uncountered claims DO get lynched (and should). You either "need to play more games" using those rules, or maybe just need to play in stronger fields of players.

Do what?

On April 10 2018 03:13 Calix wrote:


I said 'changed at all', I think you'll find.

I maintain nobody's read remains 100% static after prolonged interaction with them.

But since you are apparently 'convinced' that the super-solvy townie with highest post count is mafia, I shall go back to fucking around in the thread.

On April 10 2018 03:18 n00bKing wrote:

Can sure be convinced to lynch Oatsmaster. Choosing you as the best D1 lynch strikes me as pretty ridiculous. He's just as obtuse as Vivax, but it feels more sinister. Vivax is maybe more...directionless, than malicious.

On April 10 2018 03:24 Holyflare wrote:
Damdred's reentry is absolutely awful and I hate that oats says he's town for it. Damdred appears to have read nothing, has excused himself from playing till past deadline (fair enough if he's busy) says he'll vote with the wagons and then hard deflects to pretty much the towniest person in the thread off the scummiest.

On April 10 2018 03:34 Skynx wrote:

I don't want to lynch Calix?

On April 10 2018 03:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dont think vivax is mafia. Mafia vivax just rolls over and dies. Damdred can easily be mafia.

On April 10 2018 03:39 Holyflare wrote:


Your reads are butts though.

On April 10 2018 03:38 Skynx wrote:
I would've voted by now in that case. Oats and ES are my only super-town reads but i don't think Calix/Vivax are mafia wagons.

On April 10 2018 03:39 n00bKing wrote:

I hate Oats for it more than I hate Damdred for it.

Yeah, awful re-entry from Damdred, but it's another one of those instances that borders on "too awful." Like, where's his awareness, if he's scum?

Oats townreading him for it bothers me more, especially when you add it to him making Calix his lynch target.

Also, I think a red flip from Oats would yield more information about other players than a red flip from...possibly any other player in the game.

On April 10 2018 03:50 n00bKing wrote:

Well there's some bad news then.

1) Vivax's filter isn't particularly short anymore either.
2) What you've posted might make a good argument for a No Lynch, but we can't do that in this ruleset. It appears we'd forfeit very little by lynching someone like currentlyhomeless, but I can't put his percentage of flipping red very far above the baseline (if any)

On April 10 2018 04:12 Calix wrote:


I actually agree with you. It is why I am starting to think Vivax might be town despite what I think of his posting. Because there have been a lot of posts but the votes have been weirdly static. Mafia is either AFK or they do not give a damn. Since you could lynch almost anyone here if you wanted to, I think it's option #2.

On April 10 2018 04:16 Skynx wrote:
Currently I'm voting n00bking for 3 reasons

1) Sheep ES.
2) Him scumreading Oats.
3) All the talk about how claim doesn't make ES town and he can be lynched. Mafia making a blind claim when he was so far from danger is actually impossible.

On April 10 2018 04:20 n00bKing wrote:
So, Skynx has a very simple path to self-preservation, which is just to vote against Vivax. He votes against me instead, which (regardless of Vivax's own alignment) just SCREAMS "I know someone has my back."

On April 10 2018 04:38 Holyflare wrote:
Forgive me team damdred/oats for I have seen the mafia calix light.

On April 10 2018 04:51 Calix wrote:


Nah. I think static votes is a bad sign. If mafia wanted to save Vivax then all they have to do is put some votes on Skynx, or me, or n00b (do you think there's any mafia on his train aside from Vivax btw?). And now that n00b's train DID take off, I'm going to look at that sometime this night.

n00b's train happened in like five seconds. Not much time to really take it in.

On April 10 2018 04:55 Calix wrote:


Your point?

On April 10 2018 05:02 Calix wrote:


I don't see how saying "static votes are a sign that Vivax might be town" and n00bking being turbo-lynched are somehow mutually exclusive. That is actually what makes no sense.

I don't even know why you're asking me things and expecting me to respond when you earlier said you were 'convinced' I am mafia despite talking with me a bunch. I don't understand.

On April 10 2018 18:57 Eversince wrote:
I guess it's to early for people to be playing but oh well. I'm going to summarize:

"Reasons to not lynch ES"
1)Claimed.
2)Un CC
3)Contradiction amass all over the place under direct heat. vs my meta I have little time and everyone who has played with me knows it so why I am not just afk at this point?
4)Has openly lied (in the time frames) to try to divert lynches away from me.

Why would mafia do ANY of this?

On April 10 2018 19:51 currentlyhomeless wrote:
if ever gave me the gun I’d turn around and shoot ever for being bad

On April 10 2018 20:05 ExO_ wrote:
I think HF is town. His anger after the vote at Calix is something I don't think Mafia would be able to fake that well.

I think eversince is telling the truth. A reading mistake like that is exactly the kind of thing that would happen to me. I think he should have to announce who he is passing the gun to in the thread, and have the player he passes it to confirm they receive it.

In this case I think he should give it to HF, as I fully believe he's town. If HF doesn't get the gun, we lynch eversince.

On April 11 2018 01:27 Vivax wrote:
His townreads are very few, his null reads don't interest him and he just keeps attacking obvious townies at every opening he finds. That's mafia HF, game.

On April 11 2018 06:02 Vivax wrote:


Great question considering the way he posted it he could do anything just like yesterday cause that ExO vote really sucked purely cause it was never going to happen the way he went about it.

180ing my read on rayn right now. I will pick up where GB stopped. But I think the team is somewhere along rayn/Calix/HF or rayn/HF/kush in light of recent events. Mostly cause it leads to the NK making sense. Calix stopped posting abruptly and should be the first lynch. Her or HF. Either way calix is being thrown under the bus heavily here and doesn't need to keep playing.

On April 11 2018 06:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:

The point of the post is those are my scumreads you dumbass.
Yeah i am salty. I am salty because i can't genuinely be around more than maybe 5 minutes / 2 hours and some fucking semi-lurkers have the nerve to tell me i am not doing shit when i am trying to read and post whenever i can at work. But i won't be doing it anymore, that's how salty i am. dealwithit.

No it's not. For once try to not call anything you see in thread scummy. that's why i don't really care to interact with you, you are much funnier to play with when you are mafia because you're not a headless chicken.

On April 11 2018 06:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Who the fuck cares about her?

On April 11 2018 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:

no shit sherlock, everyone is either confirmed town or mafia.

On April 11 2018 06:30 Holyflare wrote:
If she's the actual gunsmith she gets rbd, if she's mafia gunsmith she gets "rbd". Pointless shit.

On April 11 2018 08:31 currentlyhomeless wrote:
this game is gonna be so hard cause hf is mafia fuck

On April 11 2018 09:13 currentlyhomeless wrote:
also if you think hf is scum why you not voting him!!!



I hope not but his lack of vote is making my toes prickle

if he is scum with HF this game might be impossible

On April 11 2018 09:20 currentlyhomeless wrote:


because HF knows he would look terrible if vivax flips town and then HF doesn’t die n1?

he’s not a scrub like you he has a reputation to hold

On April 11 2018 09:24 Tubesock wrote:
Oats, your filter isn’t exactly a friendly place to find your reads.

Are you still at mafia = Calix, CH*,

You’re townreading HF, Damdred (annoyed), Vivax

I can’t really tell what you think about rayn or Eversince or Skynx.

On April 11 2018 09:31 Eversince wrote:
Ok, let me try to break this logic down for you then.

I gave the gun to Rayn

(town!Rayn) Shoots somebody.
(mafia!Rayn) Shoots town.

The fact there was no double kp and Rayn says he did not get the gun confirms Rayn town. If Rayn was mafia they could of doubled kp last night. If their is ever double kp from this point on it is either SK or Rayn is mafia. That is silly to risk in mafia!Rayn so Rayn is town.

On April 11 2018 10:09 Eversince wrote:
Why the fuck would mafia play that carelessly?

On April 11 2018 10:13 Vivax wrote:


Call me stupid if I missed this but where? I checked again and the first thing she says post claim regarding this is the following:



So show me how you didn't pull above statement out of your bum?

On April 11 2018 10:13 Eversince wrote:
Same responce to you Oats. The whole scenario that you guys are trying to push makes no sense, in any way, shape form, or fashion, for mafia to be doing. Yet somehow you believe it's happening.

On April 11 2018 10:16 Eversince wrote:
If I can't make mistakes, own up to them immediately, try my darned hardest to make them up and explain why I made them then that makes me think your scum

On April 11 2018 10:21 Tubesock wrote:


Sure. But she is uncc’d. And completely untrustworthy so will have almost zero influence. Plus if she’s truthful mafia is using up the rub on her till they kill her. If there’s a medic or cop or whatever they have free reign.

On April 11 2018 10:27 Eversince wrote:


Or you know, like if there is a invest role in the game... they could like... you know... CHECK ME? Unless I'm GF that's fail safe! But of course simple logic is a GF wouldn't be acting like I am at all but hey, no one seems to like logic.

On April 11 2018 10:32 Tubesock wrote:


Those could be true realities. I think she’s town GS and is derping. Lots of townies derp massively concerning their claims. Scum generally have polished ones.

On April 11 2018 10:35 Eversince wrote:
Thanks Tube, you sparked another interest in my mind. Why would mafia!ES claim a role without even bother looking at how it worked first? I must be slick. [flips hair and smirks].

I'm not even remotely good enough to try to do that so it makes the argument why I would try seem worse r.r

On April 11 2018 10:43 Eversince wrote:


So I picked a role at random without even bother to see how it worked with half the day left?

On April 11 2018 11:17 Eversince wrote:


Because I work 12-18 hr stints you nit wit! I knew I needed to sleep and I was an hour late because I didn't. Thanks!

On April 11 2018 11:28 Eversince wrote:
What's your points on Calix Oats?

On April 11 2018 11:37 Eversince wrote:

I found her backpedal on Rayn to be ok. I mentioned before I felt like it was TvT and her stopping to re-eval seemed townie to me. Froze up/ voting with scum reads I will need to go back and look at. I was not around for eod.

On April 11 2018 11:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
nullish leaning scum

On April 11 2018 11:35 Eversince wrote:
r.r I'm not going to vote Calix until I get a chance to let her talk. I don't see her as mafia. She's been very open about what she's doing and why she thinks the way that she does. That's ok with me for now.

On April 11 2018 11:53 Eversince wrote:


You're actively drawing at point in myself and others that are easily exploitable. Which is generally a good way to play. But even the point of this is to find mafia. You're not trying to here. Because even after I've exhuasted myself trying to explain myself, you still push the same points. So then I have to defend the same points, like right now, over in the thread, again, for like the 4'th? time now. Nobody has time for this and why your shoving so hard makes little sense when I'm around to talk to let us just talk. I will answer questions. I have been reclusive at no point in this game. So you're just drawing out clutter in the thread to clutter the thread. I'm highly emotional so I'm easy to be drawn into this sort of thing so then I clutter the thread. That's how I see it. That's why I listen to Vivax when he told me to hush and just try to talk about something else. Seemed like a good idea. I'll continue on that path.

On April 11 2018 11:53 Eversince wrote:


You're actively drawing at point in myself and others that are easily exploitable. Which is generally a good way to play. But even the point of this is to find mafia. You're not trying to here..

On April 11 2018 12:31 Eversince wrote:



Obviously drop the GB mention there. I forgot he was the lynch because I'm operating on no sleep :/

On April 11 2018 12:41 Eversince wrote:
and yeah CH attacks me for much the same reasons you do. Look, You have no vote one yourself yet yes?

On April 11 2018 12:51 Eversince wrote:
Did you not read my previous post TWICE?

On April 11 2018 13:01 Tubesock wrote:
Oats, I don’t think rayn is sleeping. What do you mean? I didn’t think his last big post was weird at all. I liked his case on Exo and the rest of his comments. Like the eod criticism he got and his activity level. Especially when it’s from someone who has half the activity. But that’s speaking from someone who’s been lynched many times because I had to leave thread for extended periods of time.