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Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
April 15 2018 00:20 GMT
#2341
On April 15 2018 09:09 Holyflare wrote:
I want rayn to be town, I really do. I hope he is actually free tomorrow so we can chat.


Agreed. I’m parked on Skynx for today and will take the next couple days while I’m alive thinking about rayn.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
April 15 2018 02:29 GMT
#2356
On April 15 2018 10:44 Vivax wrote:
GB kill and hopeless kill but HF is town. K.


So rayn is 100% town now? I’ll try to work with you and ignore your digs. If you’re town you’ll make the effort. I will reciprocate.

But you also need to post evidence.

So if rayn and HF are mafia, how do the night kills implicate HF? I can see how you’d say it implicates HF if rayn is town, or rayn is implicated if HF is mafia. But it seems lately mafia haven’t been killing HF because HF was getting a lot of “no point reading HF, if he’s alive D4 we autolynch” silliness. So, him being alive late game no longer matters.

We share similar views. You scummed Skynx and Calix while they were in my pool also. We have some common ground. So let’s talk.



Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
April 15 2018 02:58 GMT
#2361
On April 15 2018 11:53 Vivax wrote:
Or maybe not cause everything that had to be said has been said. I highly doubt you are simply able to perceive what has given away HF being mafia this game. You just fall for his trick where he finds a single mistake and keeps harping on it putting the entire discussion surrounding it into the background unless you look at it with scrutiny.

No tube the evidence is there if you aren't willing to accept it for what it is then I refuse to give in to demands for more evidence.

To give you an exaggerated anecdote: You write a paper with an excellent conclusion. But the reviewer says the paper isn't good cause you had a bunch of grammatical errors and at some point you forgot to correctly quote someone. That is what HF does. He doesn't want your conclusion to be what actually matters when it does and instead looks for the irrelevant things to harp on.

Like he repeatedly acted like he rather scumread CH over townreading him but when presented with arguments for him being mafia, he doesn't straight out agree with me he just rehashes in own words that CH exaggerated (Hf said extrapolated) certain points in order to justify his TR on HF. At no point does he want to lynch him. Nor does he want to lynch Oats for similar faults.

And when CH posts that reason for Skynx being mafia which is literally just that Skynx wasn't scumreading Calix which I have gone back and shown to be untrue cause HF insisted on me giving my opinion on Skynx based on what CH said, HF disgreards all the counter argument and just asks me why I didn't see the post where skynx was actually scumreading CH which isn't even what he wanted me to talk about in the first place

Back to the anecdote: HF wants me to talk about arguments on Skynx. CHs case is based on false facts cause this post. But HF dismisses it cause I said at some point that Skynx wasn't townreading CH.


Ok. Well that means you’re probably dying tomorrow.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
April 15 2018 02:58 GMT
#2363
On April 15 2018 11:54 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2018 11:43 currentlyhomeless wrote:
ok unfortunatley i will not be around much today but will try to pop in if i can

deadline is 430 am for me and i have work

lets kill vivax after skynx


You are the town shitter of the bunch I'm scumreading aren't you?


This doesn’t help.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
April 15 2018 03:01 GMT
#2365
On April 15 2018 11:58 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2018 11:58 Tubesock wrote:
On April 15 2018 11:53 Vivax wrote:
Or maybe not cause everything that had to be said has been said. I highly doubt you are simply able to perceive what has given away HF being mafia this game. You just fall for his trick where he finds a single mistake and keeps harping on it putting the entire discussion surrounding it into the background unless you look at it with scrutiny.

No tube the evidence is there if you aren't willing to accept it for what it is then I refuse to give in to demands for more evidence.

To give you an exaggerated anecdote: You write a paper with an excellent conclusion. But the reviewer says the paper isn't good cause you had a bunch of grammatical errors and at some point you forgot to correctly quote someone. That is what HF does. He doesn't want your conclusion to be what actually matters when it does and instead looks for the irrelevant things to harp on.

Like he repeatedly acted like he rather scumread CH over townreading him but when presented with arguments for him being mafia, he doesn't straight out agree with me he just rehashes in own words that CH exaggerated (Hf said extrapolated) certain points in order to justify his TR on HF. At no point does he want to lynch him. Nor does he want to lynch Oats for similar faults.

And when CH posts that reason for Skynx being mafia which is literally just that Skynx wasn't scumreading Calix which I have gone back and shown to be untrue cause HF insisted on me giving my opinion on Skynx based on what CH said, HF disgreards all the counter argument and just asks me why I didn't see the post where skynx was actually scumreading CH which isn't even what he wanted me to talk about in the first place

Back to the anecdote: HF wants me to talk about arguments on Skynx. CHs case is based on false facts cause this post. But HF dismisses it cause I said at some point that Skynx wasn't townreading CH.


Ok. Well that means you’re probably dying tomorrow.


No I'm dying today if HF doesn't get lynched.


If you’re saying what I think you are, that truly is a shame.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
April 15 2018 03:13 GMT
#2367
On April 15 2018 12:00 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2018 11:58 Tubesock wrote:
On April 15 2018 11:54 Vivax wrote:
On April 15 2018 11:43 currentlyhomeless wrote:
ok unfortunatley i will not be around much today but will try to pop in if i can

deadline is 430 am for me and i have work

lets kill vivax after skynx


You are the town shitter of the bunch I'm scumreading aren't you?


This doesn’t help.


Ít does for me cause he's the only one calling me scum with a straight face.


If you could have figured out why CH is confirmed town for me on your own, I probably would have towned you. He might have too.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
April 16 2018 11:08 GMT
#2546
I’m most likely voting Oats tomorrow.

I don’t know about the rest. I think CH and Calix are town. Vivax too. And HF.

Bleh.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
April 16 2018 11:16 GMT
#2548
On April 16 2018 20:09 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2018 20:08 Tubesock wrote:
I’m most likely voting Oats tomorrow.

I don’t know about the rest. I think CH and Calix are town. Vivax too. And HF.

Bleh.


You still think CH is town for the mind-melding stuff, right? What did you make of his latest posts?


Not mind melding really. He set up a play that in theory would force a scum rayn with a gun to shoot because we were going to lynch him the next day. I don’t actually think even if scum rayn had the gun that he would use it unless it was game ending as he would be scum claiming if there were two kills. So not effective but I liked the idea so went with it.

Sure a scum could do that subtle play to pocket someone but that seems like a stretch to me. Better types of plays to be had.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
April 16 2018 11:17 GMT
#2549
On April 16 2018 20:09 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2018 20:08 Tubesock wrote:
I’m most likely voting Oats tomorrow.

I don’t know about the rest. I think CH and Calix are town. Vivax too. And HF.

Bleh.


You still think CH is town for the mind-melding stuff, right? What did you make of his latest posts?


I read the last few pages but didn’t really read them. I’m in a weird tinfoily world right now.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
April 16 2018 11:23 GMT
#2552
I could yolo rayn tomorrow too. I think Oats is better.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
April 16 2018 11:30 GMT
#2554
On April 16 2018 20:26 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2018 20:16 Tubesock wrote:
On April 16 2018 20:09 Calix wrote:
On April 16 2018 20:08 Tubesock wrote:
I’m most likely voting Oats tomorrow.

I don’t know about the rest. I think CH and Calix are town. Vivax too. And HF.

Bleh.


You still think CH is town for the mind-melding stuff, right? What did you make of his latest posts?


Not mind melding really. He set up a play that in theory would force a scum rayn with a gun to shoot because we were going to lynch him the next day. I don’t actually think even if scum rayn had the gun that he would use it unless it was game ending as he would be scum claiming if there were two kills. So not effective but I liked the idea so went with it.

Sure a scum could do that subtle play to pocket someone but that seems like a stretch to me. Better types of plays to be had.


For some reason I had to reread this post a few times before I understood what you were referring to. I just disregarded the idea since D3 policy lynch + scum-claiming if he shot + not really scum-read at that point meant it was unlikely rayn would die over the gun thing alone since the best play for mafia!rayn there would be to not shoot still and talk your way out of it. So dunno how credible that is really. I rarely think in terms of 'plays' so I took those posts at face value.

As for skimming the thread and wrapping yourself in tinfoil, I've been there


Yeah there really was a zero chance scum rayn would use his gun unless it ended the game. Plus, I think mafia would have been dumb to not rb ES there. Town folk lie all the time about who they’re giving toys to.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
April 16 2018 11:51 GMT
#2559
On April 16 2018 20:46 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2018 20:30 Tubesock wrote:
On April 16 2018 20:26 Calix wrote:
On April 16 2018 20:16 Tubesock wrote:
On April 16 2018 20:09 Calix wrote:
On April 16 2018 20:08 Tubesock wrote:
I’m most likely voting Oats tomorrow.

I don’t know about the rest. I think CH and Calix are town. Vivax too. And HF.

Bleh.


You still think CH is town for the mind-melding stuff, right? What did you make of his latest posts?


Not mind melding really. He set up a play that in theory would force a scum rayn with a gun to shoot because we were going to lynch him the next day. I don’t actually think even if scum rayn had the gun that he would use it unless it was game ending as he would be scum claiming if there were two kills. So not effective but I liked the idea so went with it.

Sure a scum could do that subtle play to pocket someone but that seems like a stretch to me. Better types of plays to be had.


For some reason I had to reread this post a few times before I understood what you were referring to. I just disregarded the idea since D3 policy lynch + scum-claiming if he shot + not really scum-read at that point meant it was unlikely rayn would die over the gun thing alone since the best play for mafia!rayn there would be to not shoot still and talk your way out of it. So dunno how credible that is really. I rarely think in terms of 'plays' so I took those posts at face value.

As for skimming the thread and wrapping yourself in tinfoil, I've been there


Yeah there really was a zero chance scum rayn would use his gun unless it ended the game. Plus, I think mafia would have been dumb to not rb ES there. Town folk lie all the time about who they’re giving toys to.


You’re seriously suggesting ES lied about who he gave gun to? Really? Did you read ES.

Game is over if there’s framer. Here’s the Scenarios:

Assume Scum can’t have Role Blocker AND Framer.

1) Scum have Framer, not RB. This means Rayn has a gun, and lied about not having it. No town motivation to lie about it.

2) Assume Role Blocker not framer: This means my cop check cannot be wrong. Means HF or Rayn is scum, and if one is GF both are.

We have to hope scum has role blocker and blocked ES night 1.


Sigh. No that’s not what I was saying. Jesus. And ES is a fucking woman.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
April 16 2018 11:53 GMT
#2564
If scum can’t have both a framer and a role blocker then that means town can only have one prot role and a gunsmith. In that world you are a fakeclaimer.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
April 16 2018 12:14 GMT
#2571
Ok so full confession.

I’m tin foiling Oats, Rayn, Exo.

Going back three months is Skynx’ Vendee game. Town impressively lynched three mafia in three days.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/530739-vendée-globe-16-mafia#1

RB, Framer vs parity cop and medic.

So basically, if this town somehow makes it to final three and Exo is alive he must die.

Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
April 16 2018 12:16 GMT
#2573
On April 16 2018 21:10 Calix wrote:
He claimed on Day 3 after you claimed. Because he thought I must be mafia planning on fake-claiming a role.

Surely you saw this yourself lol.


Plus I thought three blues were too many.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
April 16 2018 12:18 GMT
#2575
Calix is right though. Setup / balance talk is kinda dumb. I don’t know how fecal balances games.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
April 16 2018 12:19 GMT
#2576
On April 16 2018 21:16 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2018 21:14 Tubesock wrote:
Ok so full confession.

I’m tin foiling Oats, Rayn, Exo.

Going back three months is Skynx’ Vendee game. Town impressively lynched three mafia in three days.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/530739-vendée-globe-16-mafia#1

RB, Framer vs parity cop and medic.

So basically, if this town somehow makes it to final three and Exo is alive he must die.



What does a Skynx-hosted game where mafia got steam-rolled have to do with ExO being mafia?

Also that was three months ago already? Time flies, lol.


Sorry. I’m super tired and falling asleep.

It’s meant as a rebuttal to the idea that mafia can only have a roleblocker or a framer/godfather and not both.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
April 17 2018 05:45 GMT
#2713
I’m voting Oats.

I don’t think the gun thing makes rayn mafia. Mostly just funny.

I’m going to be rereading.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
April 17 2018 06:12 GMT
#2715
On April 17 2018 15:02 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2018 14:45 Tubesock wrote:
I’m voting Oats.

I don’t think the gun thing makes rayn mafia. Mostly just funny.

I’m going to be rereading.

Can you explain your switch!??

I mean, are the percentages that im mafia higher than 50%??


You’re just in the POE pile. I really really liked Calix’s recent work so I’m more inclined to think she’s town.

I’m rereading the game, I’m hoping my original read on you was accurate.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
April 17 2018 12:36 GMT
#2716
On April 10 2018 04:31 Fecalfeast wrote:
Day 1 Vote count
remaining




Vivax (0): n00bKing, Holyflare, Calix, Glowingbear
Eversince (0): Calix, raynpelikoneet, ExO_
Calix (2): GlowingBear, Oatsmaster, Damdred
Holyflare (1): currentlyhomeless
GlowingBear (0): Skynx
n00bking (4): Vivax, Eversince, ExO_, skynx, vivax
Skynx (2): Tubesock, Glowingbear, Vivax
ExO_ (1): raynpelikoneet raynpelikoneet
Raynpelikoneet (0): Calix
currentlyhomeless (2):Holyflare, n00bKing

Not Voting (1):
Calix



Currently n00bKing is set to be lynched.
Voting is mandatory! Place votes in THIS THREAD (link)



On April 13 2018 04:12 Fecalfeast wrote:
Day 2 Vote count
remaining




Calix (4): Oatsmaster, Tubesock, Holyflare, skynx, ExO_
Eversince (6): currentlyhomeless, Calix, vivax, raynpelikoneet, Holyflare, Eversince
Holyflare (0): currentlyhomeless Vivax
currentlyhomeless (0): raynpelikoneet
Skynx (0): Tubesock


Not Voting (1): Damdred




Currently Eversince is set to be lynched.
Voting is mandatory! Place votes in THIS THREAD (link)



On April 16 2018 03:36 Fecalfeast wrote:
Day 3 Vote count
remaining




Skynx (6): currentlyhomeless, Holyflare, Calix, Skynx, Tubesock, Raynpelikoneet
Holyflare (1): ExO_, Skynx, Calix, Vivax
Calix (1): Tubesock, Holyflare, currentlyhomeless, Oatsmaster
raynpelikoneet (1): ExO_
ExO_ (0): Holyflare, Tubesock
Vivax (0): currentlyhomeless


Not Voting (0):




Currently Skynx [blue]is set to be lynched.
Voting is mandatory! Place votes in THIS THREAD (link)[/blue)



The nightkills and their dying scum reads:
Glowingbear = raynpelikoneet,Skynx

Damdred/Hopeless1nder = raynpelikoneet, Calix

Exo_ = raynpelikoneet, Currentlyhomeless, Holyflare,Oatsmaster

Although Damdred scumreads shouldn’t really count since that choice was obviously a night kill to keep town in its current state of mind, the other two scummed rayn. So, as HF says democracy. HF, Calix, CH what do you think? Rayn is guilty of overexplaining. I can go either Oats or rayn.
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