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Sup. Workload has picked up a lot so my free time has gone out the window. I'm also not going to be around at EOD. With this in mind, I am probably not going to talk my way out of the noose. So here's what I think:
- That GB night-kill only really makes sense if one (or even both) of rayn/ Skynx is mafia. Those were the only people GB said he would vote for (and maybe CH if nobody wanted to lynch rayn/ Skynx). So it's one of those "if both rayn/ Skynx are town then why shoot GB now if he was just gonna vote for a mislynch the next day?" kinda thing. I actually think Skynx is more likely to be mafia here, will have to reread his filter. I say this mostly because that rayn post where he basically tells everyone to fuck off after posting his reads felt townie to me.
- I agree that Eversince is likely mafia. Way too much time is being spent fucking around with her claim. And way too little is being spent on what she's actually DOING. Has anyone LOOKED at her reads? She was hardly talking about anyone until recently! Is this the reaction you'd expect from a blue role who thought she might be shot? Nah mate, she'd want to, you know, give some confirmed-town reads and try to guide town a little. Instead she clogs up the chat with unnecessary WIFOM and setup fuckery and when she DOES give reads, they look way too hesitant. She doesn't have any real reason to think I'm not mafia, or that my ""absence"" (aka real life) wasn't scum-motivated, yet makes excuses. Like this is why I don't like her reads. They don't look like she's read the chat and made an opinion based on evidence at all.
And who posts fewer reads AFTER claiming anyway? It makes no sense for town to do. Makes sense for a mafia who will likely get caught sooner or later though!
She's also a great lynch because it removes the role WIFOM. Seriously, that shit took multiple pages to "resolve" and the conclusion was something a toddler could have figured out sooner. Collective stupidity, thy name is this thread.
##vote Eversince
- ExO_ is still mafia and I'd happily lynch him if anyone could possibly tolerate me ""bussing"" him, lol.
- Damdred and currentlyhomeless are variables. I didn't hate currentlyhomeless's latest posts (it helps that he agrees Eversince is scummy) and have no opinion on Damdred aside from "modkill bait".
- You guys are extremely bad for thinking I'm scum with those horrific team combos. Swear down half the thread thinks the point of being mafia is to lynch your team-mates. Anyway I do not know how to argue against dumb bussing theories and pretty much anything I say will be twisted to look like I'm "bussing" or "being bussed" or whatever until I flip town.
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I have no idea why else GB died unless it was because of his reads. And even then it doesn't make much sense because GB's thread presence was basically dead at that point. It's not something I'm going to bet a lynch on.
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On April 11 2018 17:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why Damdred is not mafia Calix?
He can be but there's not much that sways me one way or the other. I don't understand where he's coming from but I think it's pointless to analyse his posts without any explanations tbh.
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On April 11 2018 18:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2018 17:57 Calix wrote:On April 11 2018 17:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why Damdred is not mafia Calix? He can be but there's not much that sways me one way or the other. I don't understand where he's coming from but I think it's pointless to analyse his posts without any explanations tbh. okay so you are just letting him call you mafia if he keeps playing like he does. gotcha,.
"playing" - Good joke.
Most people are calling me mafia. Doesn't mean they are all mafia. I don't have the luxury of OMGUSing or thinking most of the people pushing me are scummy when everyone wants me dead.
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On April 11 2018 18:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2018 18:05 Calix wrote:On April 11 2018 18:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 11 2018 17:57 Calix wrote:On April 11 2018 17:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why Damdred is not mafia Calix? He can be but there's not much that sways me one way or the other. I don't understand where he's coming from but I think it's pointless to analyse his posts without any explanations tbh. okay so you are just letting him call you mafia if he keeps playing like he does. gotcha,. "playing" - Good joke. Most people are calling me mafia. Doesn't mean they are all mafia. I don't have the luxury of OMGUSing or thinking most of the people pushing me are scummy when everyone wants me dead. So why do you think Damdred voted for you over anyone else when he did? Like i find is super amusing you seem to be thinking i am more likely to be mafia that Damdred is when he drops a seemingly random vote on you and i share basically every scumread with you other than yourself and Damdred.
I don't really get why you are reacting like this to me posting some NK musings that boil down to "one of rayn and Skynx might be mafia for this kill and I think Skynx is more likely, otherwise I don't know why GB died". It's perfectly sensible to consider whether your reads are shit after an unexpected night kill happens.
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Also I am in Skynx's filter and I am noticing that he wanted GB dead at EOD, then later changed his mind after the lynch so that GB is 'just town' and then GB died. Possibly knew GB was going to die.
On April 10 2018 04:28 Skynx wrote:
GB pushed my lynch all day, even pulled out a rayn scumread out of nowhere for it. Now thinks im actually town. GB mafia claim.
On April 10 2018 23:09 Skynx wrote:Updated town pile: Oats, HF, GB, ESI think GB is town here. I tried to read him like he was mafia but it just didn't fit together. His general attitude and approach to the game is pretty towny imo. + Show Spoiler +On April 10 2018 00:12 GlowingBear wrote:
I must say our votecount looks terrible.
Here is a list of people that we should be lynching today:
1. Skynx
4. ExO_
6. Eversince
7. currentlyhomeless
8. Calix
12. Vivax
13.Damdred
In order of my preference:
Skynx is the best option. He came to the thread, made a very bad case and instead of choosing his most scumread, he voted me because "rayn had a lot of questions to answer". This is not a townie thought process. A town lynches the scummiest and votes the scummiest. Also, he just peaced out of the game.
Vivax doesn't sound like Vivax. Not contributive. Not chasing information in thread.
Exo sounds so emotionally dettached from the game. Also calling me out without further pursuing me was weird. He isn't really commenting on the hot topics of the thread, but mostly following his own agenda.
Calix, I don't know. I can see her changing her POV on rayn and me. But it feels so weird. Especially when rayn attacks her agreeing with me she looked scummy, then she also scumreads him, and then they both drop their scumreads in a flinch.
Currentlyhomeless, currentlyuseless.
Damdred, he is simply not playing the game and I hate it.
This is an alright list (except exo i guess i don't an opinion on him right now). He keeps bringing up why me and Vivax are scum, trying to convince people to actually lynch us. I can see why stuff on Calix makes sense in his world if he's so keen on seeing my case as shit. I also don't think his eod switch would come from mafia when i go back to evaluate it. Just sit on me comfortably right? My case was shit and lots of scumread on me, no one is going to blame him if he just stayed. He's just town.
Pretty meh filter otherwise. I vaguely recall town-reading him (?) for some vote stuff at one point, should probably look at EOD again to see whether that holds up.
His latest posts are pretty funny where he claims he'll filter the hot topics of ExO, Calix, Vivax after work and then drops off.
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On April 11 2018 18:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2018 18:16 Calix wrote:On April 11 2018 18:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 11 2018 18:05 Calix wrote:On April 11 2018 18:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 11 2018 17:57 Calix wrote:On April 11 2018 17:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why Damdred is not mafia Calix? He can be but there's not much that sways me one way or the other. I don't understand where he's coming from but I think it's pointless to analyse his posts without any explanations tbh. okay so you are just letting him call you mafia if he keeps playing like he does. gotcha,. "playing" - Good joke. Most people are calling me mafia. Doesn't mean they are all mafia. I don't have the luxury of OMGUSing or thinking most of the people pushing me are scummy when everyone wants me dead. So why do you think Damdred voted for you over anyone else when he did? Like i find is super amusing you seem to be thinking i am more likely to be mafia that Damdred is when he drops a seemingly random vote on you and i share basically every scumread with you other than yourself and Damdred. I don't really get why you are reacting like this to me posting some NK musings that boil down to "one of rayn and Skynx might be mafia for this kill and I think Skynx is more likely, otherwise I don't know why GB died". It's perfectly sensible to consider whether your reads are shit after an unexpected night kill happens. No, this is what you literally said. Show nested quote +That GB night-kill only really makes sense if one (or even both) of rayn/ Skynx is mafia. That by definition means you scumread both of us, otherwise you would have used a different worrding. Damdred is jsut something else and not a real scumread. Like i said early in the game "one of Calix and HF is mafia buth not both". That's when you think only one and not both, in your case you can NEVER claim you think one but not both. So stop dodging the question and why am i more scummy than Damdred is?
Damdred is what we call "null". I never said he was a 'real scum-read'.
I don't know whether it's one or both of you, or even whether I am correct with my assumption that GB died because of his reads.
The "I don't know whether it's one or both of you" is why the "or even both" part is in parentheses.
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On April 10 2018 16:38 Eversince wrote:
I didn't start with one. I have claimed too early though. Rereading the role pm I can either make or pass a gun per night. So It might still be of use but I'll have to spend tonight making one and then can pass it N2. But I'm probably dead already so r.r.
On April 10 2018 18:15 Eversince wrote:
I'm not going to stay awake to fight this. Games been over for me for a while. I don't start with a gun. I can craft one. It workes as a single shot vig. I can pass it to the same player repeating. I can either craft the gun or give one (after crafted) as a night action. Hopefully that's reworded enough it counts as not quoting the role pm. I'm going to sleep. Have a nice night friends.
Not sure how you missed the discussion that ensued after this happened but here.
She later claimed it was bad English comprehension/ a misunderstanding when she got called out. Or something. Then says she did start with one. I don't believe it because the role PM in OP literally has a sentence saying "starts the game with one gun" so how one misunderstands that is beyond me.
On April 11 2018 20:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2018 18:31 Calix wrote:On April 11 2018 18:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 11 2018 18:16 Calix wrote:On April 11 2018 18:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 11 2018 18:05 Calix wrote:On April 11 2018 18:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 11 2018 17:57 Calix wrote:On April 11 2018 17:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why Damdred is not mafia Calix? He can be but there's not much that sways me one way or the other. I don't understand where he's coming from but I think it's pointless to analyse his posts without any explanations tbh. okay so you are just letting him call you mafia if he keeps playing like he does. gotcha,. "playing" - Good joke. Most people are calling me mafia. Doesn't mean they are all mafia. I don't have the luxury of OMGUSing or thinking most of the people pushing me are scummy when everyone wants me dead. So why do you think Damdred voted for you over anyone else when he did? Like i find is super amusing you seem to be thinking i am more likely to be mafia that Damdred is when he drops a seemingly random vote on you and i share basically every scumread with you other than yourself and Damdred. I don't really get why you are reacting like this to me posting some NK musings that boil down to "one of rayn and Skynx might be mafia for this kill and I think Skynx is more likely, otherwise I don't know why GB died". It's perfectly sensible to consider whether your reads are shit after an unexpected night kill happens. No, this is what you literally said. That GB night-kill only really makes sense if one (or even both) of rayn/ Skynx is mafia. That by definition means you scumread both of us, otherwise you would have used a different worrding. Damdred is jsut something else and not a real scumread. Like i said early in the game "one of Calix and HF is mafia buth not both". That's when you think only one and not both, in your case you can NEVER claim you think one but not both. So stop dodging the question and why am i more scummy than Damdred is? Damdred is what we call "null". I never said he was a 'real scum-read'. I don't know whether it's one or both of you, or even whether I am correct with my assumption that GB died because of his reads. The "I don't know whether it's one or both of you" is why the "or even both" part is in parentheses. Mhmm... so gb dying doeant make aense UNLESS but not really... i see Calix.. i see.
Nothing you have said here shows mafia motivation so acting like it's self-evident before dropping the matter without explaining yourself is weird.
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On April 11 2018 20:53 ExO_ wrote:
This whole ES nonsense is really hard to understand. I believe he’s town, one of my first games in TL mafia I fucked up on mechanics...I can believe a town ES thinks he could pass a gun off to be used that night (even though its completely wrong). However knowing there was only one KP without knowing GB is dead is really wtf. Still the question I have to ask myself here is:
Why would a scum ES not know that GB was dead, or rather make a post not claiming to not realize GB is dead? I can’t think of a good reason.
I think its much more likely ES is town playing really poorly, than scum faking it somehow.
Also wtf is Vivax in the thread during that whole conversation going “Hey HolyFlare though, he’s scum”. I don’t like it. I’ve liked Vivax a lot less day 2
TFW your scum buddy's in trouble but you don't want to bus so you make up some nonsensical "why would she do X as scum?" WIFOM where the answer is obvious.
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On April 11 2018 20:59 ExO_ wrote:
Trying to think here...going off the assumption ES is town.
1) ES announces he’s giving gun to either Calix or Rayn
now if scum team sees that what are their options.
- Role Block ES so no gun goes out, if there is RB
- Kill him and gun goes out
but what if Calix or Rayn is on scum team? They’d want that extra shot. So instead of RB him they let the gun go through, and kill either Calix or Rayn. If both Calix or Rayn is mafia they kill someone completely different.
So in short I think night actions confirm that there is a mafia RB, or that Calix and Rayn are both scum.
That's a lot of words to say "mafia probably have a Roleblocker" fam.
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On April 12 2018 02:08 Skynx wrote:Calix' Vivax scumread progression is super scum. After our early convo together, she disagrees with Vivax on some minor stuff, Vivax explains then she's ok. Following comes up: Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 21:43 Calix wrote:On April 09 2018 21:36 Vivax wrote:On April 09 2018 21:27 Calix wrote:On April 09 2018 21:22 Vivax wrote:On April 09 2018 17:19 n00bKing wrote:On April 09 2018 01:05 Calix wrote:
Half of rayn's posts seem divorced from anything going on in the thread. I can hardly tell what he is referring to half the time since he seems to mix up who he's talking to when he responds to people. Independent of anything else, this for sure is true. I had already noticed that his posts are more difficult to follow than anyone else's, before reading this from you. And that's with me reading the thread chronologically; I'm sure it'll be even worse if anyone tries to look into his filter later in the game. If he's Town, then the fact that his posts will later be almost impossible for other Town players to look at, read, and understand, would not be great for his win condition. But if he's Scum, the fact that his posts will later be indecipherable for Town players would not hurt his win condition at all. I find rayns posts very coherent to read. They are just long, but he doesn't beat around the bush. He is also town so I will defend him to my last breath. You also started posting after I voted for you. Coincidence or caught pants down? Either way the fact you are discrediting the way rayn posts really puts you in a bad light for me. I think Calix is town too but busy annoying the raynzo for false reasons and you just chime in taking sides lazily with the above post. What game are you reading? rayn's early posts were not 'very coherent'. Multiple players have agreed with this sentiment. If I was annoying rayn for ""false"" reasons then how am I town? O_______o I've read his big post though where he concludes with a bunch of reads and the second post after where he readresses something he explained poorly. All of that combined screams super town to me. And it is coherent. Why should I only focus on his early stuff where he was at work instead? That has nothing to do with anything I said. I was talking about how his early posts were not coherent. n00bking made his 'I agree that rayn's posts are hard to understand' early on in his catch-up. The quality of his later posts is irrelevant (✿ヘᴥヘ) And don't think just because you asked a rhetorical question about rayn means I'm going to forget that cute evasion of my own question (ʘ‿ʘ✿) If I have false reasons for accusing rayn then how am I town again??? Especially since you ALSO accused me of being full of shite and 'inventing facts' to attack you (◕‿◕✿) Again just disagreement over rayn being "coherent" coherent or whatever. Nothing to imply a scumlean even. Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 21:58 Calix wrote:On April 09 2018 21:56 ExO_ wrote:On April 09 2018 21:54 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax why are you mafia. So so sad. I don’t get a scum vibe from Vivax at all. Can you explain this read in detail? His evasion of his weird-arse read on me. He called my reasons for scum!rayn "false". He had also accused me of making facts up to scum-read him. WHY DOES HE THINK I'M TOWN? None of this makes vivax scum. Then proceeds to sheep this: Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 22:00 Holyflare wrote:On April 09 2018 21:56 ExO_ wrote:On April 09 2018 21:54 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax why are you mafia. So so sad. I don’t get a scum vibe from Vivax at all. Can you explain this read in detail? Town read on gb and damdred Town read on you for something he doesn't agree with Mafia reads calix but then just says unemotionally she's not mafia and is in fact town. Town reads rayn. Town reads a million people for free. Where is paranoia? Where is scum reads? This further evolves into "I want Vivax dead", like out of nowhere? Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 02:20 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 02:17 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 02:08 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 02:03 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:56 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 01:54 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:51 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 01:49 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:47 Calix wrote:
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Because I want Vivax dead or spewing townie out the arse. EOD =/= time to do srs filter-diving to find mafia. It's like 2 more hours, stop being dramatic Have you seen the votes? lol. Best time to be a Drama Queen :D There's nobody here that hasn't decided if they are gonna vote vivax anyway. Why does vivax!mafia ignore your question earlier but answer it now and why does town!vivax answer your question earlier? Mafia!Vivax ignores it because he can't think of a legit explanation for it, duh. And he recently said he was 'too busy responding to other posts' to respond to mine so that would be the town!Vivax explanation. So since he answered it and gave that explanation he isn't scum anymore right? Since that was a significant part of your earlier reasons No because I still don't think he's done anything that 'townie' and his posts are more "meh" which is why I am happy with my current vote. If you think I am wrong then point out where he's done something townie and ELI5. I could be tunneled with "Vivax is underperforming mafia", I will admit, but I don't see anything convincing for him being town. Furthermore, there is also a lot of resistance to his lynch and some pushes towards Skynx (who I think is town but we'll see how he responds to this EOD), n00b (I agree he hasn't posted many explicit reads but I am not convinced this is AI for him), myself (pretty terrible D1 lynch if I say so myself), etc. @n00bking, I do not know much about Oats' play so I couldn't tell you, lol. Literally the only resistance to his lynch is me what the heck. I meant with wagons. Vivax/ Skynx tied. Calix/ n00b two votes. I would imagine there's a mafia on the line somewhere. I concluded Vivax because his wagon is the one that's most static and somehow hasn't exceeded three votes despite few people properly town-reading or going out on a leg to defend him. bolded has been discussed before but its super scummy taking into consideration her earlier heavy scumread of vivax. She then proceeds to townread both me and vivax out of tone, leaving noob as her only implied scumread but she doesn't vote???
An impressive number of falsehoods in this post.
- That first post was demanding an answer to a question, not making a case. Anyone reading the post would realise this.
- I didn't sheep HF's posts.
- I didn't scum-read n00b.
- I didn't town-read Vivax and you because of tone.
Did you actually read my filter or were you hoping nobody would check?
Your post doesn't even make sense as a narrative since none of the 'evidence' provided shows anything weird about my Vivax progression. And most of it is based on shit that isn't true at all. Amazing.
Saying it's ""super scummy"" multiple times won't make it so.
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On April 12 2018 02:22 Holyflare wrote:
Why you just repeating things, Skynx?
I suggested the night kill pointed to him first 
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On April 12 2018 02:29 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2018 02:23 Calix wrote:On April 12 2018 02:08 Skynx wrote:Calix' Vivax scumread progression is super scum. After our early convo together, she disagrees with Vivax on some minor stuff, Vivax explains then she's ok. Following comes up: On April 09 2018 21:43 Calix wrote:On April 09 2018 21:36 Vivax wrote:On April 09 2018 21:27 Calix wrote:On April 09 2018 21:22 Vivax wrote:On April 09 2018 17:19 n00bKing wrote:On April 09 2018 01:05 Calix wrote:
Half of rayn's posts seem divorced from anything going on in the thread. I can hardly tell what he is referring to half the time since he seems to mix up who he's talking to when he responds to people. Independent of anything else, this for sure is true. I had already noticed that his posts are more difficult to follow than anyone else's, before reading this from you. And that's with me reading the thread chronologically; I'm sure it'll be even worse if anyone tries to look into his filter later in the game. If he's Town, then the fact that his posts will later be almost impossible for other Town players to look at, read, and understand, would not be great for his win condition. But if he's Scum, the fact that his posts will later be indecipherable for Town players would not hurt his win condition at all. I find rayns posts very coherent to read. They are just long, but he doesn't beat around the bush. He is also town so I will defend him to my last breath. You also started posting after I voted for you. Coincidence or caught pants down? Either way the fact you are discrediting the way rayn posts really puts you in a bad light for me. I think Calix is town too but busy annoying the raynzo for false reasons and you just chime in taking sides lazily with the above post. What game are you reading? rayn's early posts were not 'very coherent'. Multiple players have agreed with this sentiment. If I was annoying rayn for ""false"" reasons then how am I town? O_______o I've read his big post though where he concludes with a bunch of reads and the second post after where he readresses something he explained poorly. All of that combined screams super town to me. And it is coherent. Why should I only focus on his early stuff where he was at work instead? That has nothing to do with anything I said. I was talking about how his early posts were not coherent. n00bking made his 'I agree that rayn's posts are hard to understand' early on in his catch-up. The quality of his later posts is irrelevant (✿ヘᴥヘ) And don't think just because you asked a rhetorical question about rayn means I'm going to forget that cute evasion of my own question (ʘ‿ʘ✿) If I have false reasons for accusing rayn then how am I town again??? Especially since you ALSO accused me of being full of shite and 'inventing facts' to attack you (◕‿◕✿) Again just disagreement over rayn being "coherent" coherent or whatever. Nothing to imply a scumlean even. On April 09 2018 21:58 Calix wrote:On April 09 2018 21:56 ExO_ wrote:On April 09 2018 21:54 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax why are you mafia. So so sad. I don’t get a scum vibe from Vivax at all. Can you explain this read in detail? His evasion of his weird-arse read on me. He called my reasons for scum!rayn "false". He had also accused me of making facts up to scum-read him. WHY DOES HE THINK I'M TOWN? None of this makes vivax scum. Then proceeds to sheep this: On April 09 2018 22:00 Holyflare wrote:On April 09 2018 21:56 ExO_ wrote:On April 09 2018 21:54 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax why are you mafia. So so sad. I don’t get a scum vibe from Vivax at all. Can you explain this read in detail? Town read on gb and damdred Town read on you for something he doesn't agree with Mafia reads calix but then just says unemotionally she's not mafia and is in fact town. Town reads rayn. Town reads a million people for free. Where is paranoia? Where is scum reads? This further evolves into "I want Vivax dead", like out of nowhere? On April 10 2018 02:20 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 02:17 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 02:08 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 02:03 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:56 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 01:54 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:51 Calix wrote:
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Have you seen the votes? lol. Best time to be a Drama Queen :D There's nobody here that hasn't decided if they are gonna vote vivax anyway. Why does vivax!mafia ignore your question earlier but answer it now and why does town!vivax answer your question earlier? Mafia!Vivax ignores it because he can't think of a legit explanation for it, duh. And he recently said he was 'too busy responding to other posts' to respond to mine so that would be the town!Vivax explanation. So since he answered it and gave that explanation he isn't scum anymore right? Since that was a significant part of your earlier reasons No because I still don't think he's done anything that 'townie' and his posts are more "meh" which is why I am happy with my current vote. If you think I am wrong then point out where he's done something townie and ELI5. I could be tunneled with "Vivax is underperforming mafia", I will admit, but I don't see anything convincing for him being town. Furthermore, there is also a lot of resistance to his lynch and some pushes towards Skynx (who I think is town but we'll see how he responds to this EOD), n00b (I agree he hasn't posted many explicit reads but I am not convinced this is AI for him), myself (pretty terrible D1 lynch if I say so myself), etc. @n00bking, I do not know much about Oats' play so I couldn't tell you, lol. Literally the only resistance to his lynch is me what the heck. I meant with wagons. Vivax/ Skynx tied. Calix/ n00b two votes. I would imagine there's a mafia on the line somewhere. I concluded Vivax because his wagon is the one that's most static and somehow hasn't exceeded three votes despite few people properly town-reading or going out on a leg to defend him. bolded has been discussed before but its super scummy taking into consideration her earlier heavy scumread of vivax. She then proceeds to townread both me and vivax out of tone, leaving noob as her only implied scumread but she doesn't vote??? An impressive number of falsehoods in this post. - That first post was demanding an answer to a question, not making a case. Anyone reading the post would realise this. - I didn't sheep HF's posts. - I didn't scum-read n00b. - I didn't town-read Vivax and you because of tone. Did you actually read my filter or were you hoping nobody would check? Your post doesn't even make sense as a narrative since none of the 'evidence' provided shows anything weird about my Vivax progression. And most of it is based on shit that isn't true at all. Amazing. Saying it's ""super scummy"" multiple times won't make it so. Where exactly you ever scumread Vivax? Show nested quote +Vivax/ Skynx tied. Calix/ n00b two votes. I would imagine there's a mafia on the line somewhere After tr'ing me and Vivax, that leaves only n00b as a scumread. You purely townread me for tone. Not gona look for it now but "he seems genuinely lost" something along those lines. If you didn't townread Vivax for tone can you please show why you cleared him?
I scum-read Vivax for most of the time in the hours leading up to EOD. And then got stupid paranoid about votes and changed my mind. Again, if you actually read my filter then you would know this already, lol.
That was more of a hypothetical point. I didn't literally have a POE with you three. But I can see someone think I scum-read n00b from that.
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On April 12 2018 02:28 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2018 02:24 Calix wrote:On April 12 2018 02:22 Holyflare wrote:
Why you just repeating things, Skynx? I suggested the night kill pointed to him first Why are you repeatedly dodging vivax posts?
I am checking your filters to see for myself.
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Went and gathered most of Vivax's posts on Eversince.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 11 2018 01:27 Vivax wrote:
I'm sort of more laid back today and have more room in my head to consider other options. Basically though there's a bunch of shit I don't like when going through HF which really prevent me from doing that for his case.
-.he attacks ES blue claim over some stupid forgetting the RBer argument when the timing in my opinion wasn't scummy at all as claiming for mafia is a last resort and is not something they would dare doing early in the day with few votes on them. The claim read all around fine to me and is something that can be discussed after one or two nights anyway when it's proven or not so the mafia motivation for HF to get a D1 lynch on the gunsmith going is there. On April 11 2018 09:29 Vivax wrote:
DOesn't gun smith make a gun every night that only activates the day after? THe way she worded it actually sounds off On April 11 2018 09:31 Vivax wrote:
No actually nobody would get a gun on the first but the gunsmith can create one and pass that one on the next night. The fishyness is increasing. On April 11 2018 09:36 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2018 09:31 Eversince wrote:
Ok, let me try to break this logic down for you then.
I gave the gun to Rayn
(town!Rayn) Shoots somebody.
(mafia!Rayn) Shoots town.
The fact there was no double kp and Rayn says he did not get the gun confirms Rayn town. If Rayn was mafia they could of doubled kp last night. If their is ever double kp from this point on it is either SK or Rayn is mafia. That is silly to risk in mafia!Rayn so Rayn is town. You can't have had a gun??? Role info from OP says that first you have to make one (phase1) and can pass it on afterwards (phase2). You skipped creating your gun in your version? On April 11 2018 09:44 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2018 09:39 Eversince wrote:
I mistoke my role pm that's why I didn't think I had one. The fact there was not double kp and Rayn didn't get it cofirms him town for me. It will confirm both of us after one of us flips. It doesn't confirm you though. If you flip mafia then town!rayn would never receive a gun and neither would mafia rayn. If you are town then mafia rayn can lie about it. On April 11 2018 09:44 Vivax wrote:really strange reasoning there ES  On April 11 2018 09:56 Vivax wrote:
Well I get the optional now, never seen it written like that anywhere yet. So ES started with a gun, night action was pass it to rayn. Rayn claims not to have a gun. ES concludes rayn has to be town although that doesn't have to be the case as rayn can be lying scum.
Either way I don't think all of this has to make ES scum. It just looks like it might as well be unfamiliarity with the mechanics. On April 11 2018 09:59 Vivax wrote:
Noteworthy that Sickkusher jumps the gun here and goes from "Hard game cause HF is mafia fuck must kill HF" to "well I'd rather lynch ES over a mechanics misunderstanding". On April 11 2018 10:01 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2018 09:59 currentlyhomeless wrote:On April 11 2018 09:56 Vivax wrote:
Well I get the optional now, never seen it written like that anywhere yet. So ES started with a gun, night action was pass it to rayn. Rayn claims not to have a gun. ES concludes rayn has to be town although that doesn't have to be the case as rayn can be lying scum.
Either way I don't think all of this has to make ES scum. It just looks like it might as well be unfamiliarity with the mechanics. are you scum this game??? ever claims rayn is confirmed because only one person died n1 this is way different from “because rayn doesn’t have a gun” it means ever doesn’t know how the gunsmith role works. which means they aren’t gunsmith1500% scum That's bullshit bro cause even mafia can figure out how the role works from just reading the OP or talking privately with the host. There are no slips there just the assumption that rayn got the gun as soon as she sent in the action. On April 11 2018 10:25 Vivax wrote:
Deep inside I still believe it's a bad idea to lynch her D2 over the devilish holyflare On April 11 2018 10:34 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2018 10:32 Tubesock wrote:On April 11 2018 10:27 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 11 2018 10:21 Tubesock wrote:On April 11 2018 10:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok so the two scenarios here is that either Ever is town, completely misread her rolepm multiple times, doesnt know how her actions work OR ever is mafia and completely botching the fakeclaim Sure. But she is uncc’d. And completely untrustworthy so will have almost zero influence. Plus if she’s truthful mafia is using up the rub on her till they kill her. If there’s a medic or cop or whatever they have free reign. by uncc'd you mean she managed to pick one of the many roles that arent in this game? Or the real GS doesnt wanna out themselves because right now, they dont need to? Those could be true realities. I think she’s town GS and is derping. Lots of townies derp massively concerning their claims. Scum generally have polished ones. That's the feeling I get from it as well. But I could totally understand why anyone would scumread her for them. Tis a difficult case. But idk I just don't get the feeling she's mafia or why she would have claimed so early as mafia. Meh fuck it going with gut here and declaring that I'm not going to vote for that. On April 11 2018 10:37 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2018 10:34 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 11 2018 10:32 Tubesock wrote:On April 11 2018 10:27 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 11 2018 10:21 Tubesock wrote:On April 11 2018 10:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok so the two scenarios here is that either Ever is town, completely misread her rolepm multiple times, doesnt know how her actions work OR ever is mafia and completely botching the fakeclaim Sure. But she is uncc’d. And completely untrustworthy so will have almost zero influence. Plus if she’s truthful mafia is using up the rub on her till they kill her. If there’s a medic or cop or whatever they have free reign. by uncc'd you mean she managed to pick one of the many roles that arent in this game? Or the real GS doesnt wanna out themselves because right now, they dont need to? Those could be true realities. I think she’s town GS and is derping. Lots of townies derp massively concerning their claims. Scum generally have polished ones. Dont make me laugh No Oats he has a point cause since the information is in the OP which can be read BY BOTH ALIGNMENTS she would make the mistakes she made no matter her alignment. Cause it doesn't matter what her alignment is if she misreads it either way.
So generally skeptical but eventually concludes Eversince would fuck up as both alignments.
Then Vivax pops in to say this:
On April 11 2018 22:47 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2018 22:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay. That was not what i was talking about. I was only talking about D2. I will look into it tonight when i am home.
On a sidenote today is the first day i am happy at work this week because everything isnt going completely retardedly. <3 Voted ES suggest you do the same cause CH isn't mafia. By the way nice catch on ES shoulda found it myself :|
I couldn't remember off the top of my head what rayn's 'catch' was so looked for that:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 11 2018 17:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +ever knew that there was only 1 nk and posted about it after the flip
which means if ever is town, they would have read the daypost which said GB died
but then less than 3 (?) hours later when pressed for reads ever slipped and included GB roflmao this actually makes sense. Eversince elaborate please? On April 11 2018 17:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2018 09:31 Eversince wrote:
Ok, let me try to break this logic down for you then.
I gave the gun to Rayn
(town!Rayn) Shoots somebody.
(mafia!Rayn) Shoots town.
The fact there was no double kp and Rayn says he did not get the gun confirms Rayn town. If Rayn was mafia they could of doubled kp last night. If their is ever double kp from this point on it is either SK or Rayn is mafia. That is silly to risk in mafia!Rayn so Rayn is town. So at the same time Eversince does know there were not 2 flips at night but then she doesn't know Glowingbear died. On April 11 2018 17:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:The only way she would know, without looking at the daypost, that i "didn't shoot anyone" as she claims, is if she didn't actually even try to give me a gun. 
I don't think it's as scummy as HF makes it out to be. Vivax said he wasn't going to vote Eversince based on the mistakes she made with the GS role. Then currentlyhomeless and rayn point out that Eversince knew there weren't two flips while also claiming to not know who died. That doesn't have anything to do with 'not reading the role card' correctly. Don't see the incongruency because it's not "the exact same reason" really.
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On April 12 2018 03:02 Skynx wrote:
I also don't like Exo one bit. His vote looks very bad now.
Although I don't think they are ever mafia together with Calix.
Think you're the first person who hasn't jumped to WICKED MAD bussing theories. You are scum-reading the townie of the two of us but you at least acknowledge it's not SvS. Baby steps.
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On April 12 2018 03:12 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2018 03:11 Calix wrote:On April 12 2018 03:02 Skynx wrote:
I also don't like Exo one bit. His vote looks very bad now.
Although I don't think they are ever mafia together with Calix. Think you're the first person who hasn't jumped to WICKED MAD bussing theories. You are scum-reading the townie of the two of us but you at least acknowledge it's not SvS. Baby steps. I don't think its svs because you brought up most of the points why his vote sucked at the time even before n00b flipped. Hard to bus like that without reason.
Alright. May I ask why you still town-read Eversince? As in, why do you not find the point about the NK/ daypost discrepancy to be suspicious?
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On April 12 2018 03:20 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2018 03:15 Calix wrote:On April 12 2018 03:12 Skynx wrote:On April 12 2018 03:11 Calix wrote:On April 12 2018 03:02 Skynx wrote:
I also don't like Exo one bit. His vote looks very bad now.
Although I don't think they are ever mafia together with Calix. Think you're the first person who hasn't jumped to WICKED MAD bussing theories. You are scum-reading the townie of the two of us but you at least acknowledge it's not SvS. Baby steps. I don't think its svs because you brought up most of the points why his vote sucked at the time even before n00b flipped. Hard to bus like that without reason. Alright. May I ask why you still town-read Eversince? As in, why do you not find the point about the NK/ daypost discrepancy to be suspicious? I agree with i dunno who brought it up that Eversince should just be ignored. After screwing up the claim like that either alignment knows he fucked up and will react like he did. Impossible to reach a conclusion and he's completely untrustworthy whatever he does from now on. What to do with him I'm not really sure though.
I'd argue that leaving Eversince alive is extremely risky and will distract town when it comes to scum-reads and making worlds. Because you will always be unsure whether she is legitimate or not. And unless we lynch a Roleblocker then this will not sort itself out. If you think situation is messy now then just think about potential LYLO scenarios.
The fact that she's done LESS game-solving since she claimed is also quite damning IMO.
Who is your 'POE' for third mafia?
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On April 12 2018 03:24 Holyflare wrote:
That's all his posts today. Look at his post accusing me.
You mean this part from his wall-post?
he attacks ES blue claim over some stupid forgetting the RBer argument when the timing in my opinion wasn't scummy at all as claiming for mafia is a last resort and is not something they would dare doing early in the day with few votes on them. The claim read all around fine to me and is something that can be discussed after one or two nights anyway when it's proven or not so the mafia motivation for HF to get a D1 lynch on the gunsmith going is there.
I know you said you were not attacking ES over the RBer thing. But you're going to have to ELI5 since I don't follow how this quote strengthens your argument.
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On April 12 2018 03:30 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax says "hf is attacking obvious townies es/rayn/damdred" after es claims she did not have a gun to give out on night one and I questioned the shit out of it.
Vivax attacks rayn today, flips read on es and says she is mafia because of a situation where she didn't know her role mechanics.
Vivax's reasons to scum read me are fabricated and now he is using the same reasoning he called me out for to put a vote on es.
It is true that Vivax scum-reads rayn yet votes for Eversince based on a reason he attributes to rayn.
I don't agree that Vivax called ES mafia for role mechanics. As noted earlier, rayn's point which Vivax refers to relates to an information gap with the day-post. Which is a reason you couldn't have used because the day-post stuff happened later.
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