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On April 11 2018 09:31 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2018 09:18 Vivax wrote:
I voted him right before I posted that in fact. You don't sound like slam but you could be I suppose. And nooniansong is a kush smurf and I hope that kush is dead is an actual joke cause that would suck. Do HF and you mostly fight it out like this every game? I don’t play often but I remember two of my last few games you two did this and were both town. One of the games you were blue, fakeclaimed, he CC’d as vigi (actually was) and town killed you. Basically, is this not very normal so I should look deeper into this or not? I think you’re both town.
There are games where I get to treat him as town without wanting to murder him but typically those are not the games where he tries to mislynch me so hard. His strength as mafia is that he can find some inconsistency or mistake to push in anyone he wants and he tried to do that with me while ignoring the big picture. And he did that with another bunch of my TRs, although I'm not that sure about the rayn TR anymore.
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On April 11 2018 09:31 Eversince wrote:
Ok, let me try to break this logic down for you then.
I gave the gun to Rayn
(town!Rayn) Shoots somebody.
(mafia!Rayn) Shoots town.
The fact there was no double kp and Rayn says he did not get the gun confirms Rayn town. If Rayn was mafia they could of doubled kp last night. If their is ever double kp from this point on it is either SK or Rayn is mafia. That is silly to risk in mafia!Rayn so Rayn is town.
You can't have had a gun??? Role info from OP says that first you have to make one (phase1) and can pass it on afterwards (phase2). You skipped creating your gun in your version?
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Oh yeah I missed the last bit and it's super confusing. What does it mean that it's optional? For you or for the host?
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On April 11 2018 09:39 Eversince wrote:
I mistoke my role pm that's why I didn't think I had one. The fact there was not double kp and Rayn didn't get it cofirms him town for me. It will confirm both of us after one of us flips.
It doesn't confirm you though. If you flip mafia then town!rayn would never receive a gun and neither would mafia rayn. If you are town then mafia rayn can lie about it.
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really strange reasoning there ES 
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Mafia!Rayn doesn't have to use that bullet until he's about to get lynched or the kill would put mafia at majority. He can just live his days as hidden scum vigilante until the ability is the most powerful.
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Well I get the optional now, never seen it written like that anywhere yet. So ES started with a gun, night action was pass it to rayn. Rayn claims not to have a gun. ES concludes rayn has to be town although that doesn't have to be the case as rayn can be lying scum.
Either way I don't think all of this has to make ES scum. It just looks like it might as well be unfamiliarity with the mechanics.
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Noteworthy that Sickkusher jumps the gun here and goes from "Hard game cause HF is mafia fuck must kill HF" to "well I'd rather lynch ES over a mechanics misunderstanding".
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On April 11 2018 09:59 currentlyhomeless wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2018 09:56 Vivax wrote:
Well I get the optional now, never seen it written like that anywhere yet. So ES started with a gun, night action was pass it to rayn. Rayn claims not to have a gun. ES concludes rayn has to be town although that doesn't have to be the case as rayn can be lying scum.
Either way I don't think all of this has to make ES scum. It just looks like it might as well be unfamiliarity with the mechanics. are you scum this game??? ever claims rayn is confirmed because only one person died n1 this is way different from “because rayn doesn’t have a gun” it means ever doesn’t know how the gunsmith role works. which means they aren’t gunsmith1500% scum
That's bullshit bro cause even mafia can figure out how the role works from just reading the OP or talking privately with the host. There are no slips there just the assumption that rayn got the gun as soon as she sent in the action.
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Although I don't strictly think you pushing this so hard is particularly mafia thing to do. Maybe you just believe that you actually caught ES for something that could come from confused town. I will just heavily dislike anyone who jumps off an HF wagon.
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claims to not have a gun then backtracks when called out on it
Call me stupid if I missed this but where? I checked again and the first thing she says post claim regarding this is the following:
On April 09 2018 22:33 Eversince wrote:
If I live the night I will either give my gun to Rayn or Calix.
Probably Calix because I like her reads.
So show me how you didn't pull above statement out of your bum?
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Hmm, if "I live the night" might be sketchy and mean you have a point there. Damn. I seriously hope she isn't choking on her own wording here while being town.
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Okay CH you have successfully beaten through my stubbornness and will have my unconditional sheep for today.
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Deep inside I still believe it's a bad idea to lynch her D2 over the devilish holyflare
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On April 11 2018 10:25 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2018 10:16 Eversince wrote:If I can't make mistakes, own up to them immediately, try my darned hardest to make them up and explain why I made them then that makes me think your scum  I dont see how scum doesnt do all of this too.
Does scum HF do that? Like put CH at null and scummy at the same time which could possibly be the only mistake he made this game?
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But of course HF wouldn't answer to his own mistake when he can just keep delivering truckloads of words to bury them with.
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On April 11 2018 10:32 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2018 10:27 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 11 2018 10:21 Tubesock wrote:On April 11 2018 10:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok so the two scenarios here is that either Ever is town, completely misread her rolepm multiple times, doesnt know how her actions work OR ever is mafia and completely botching the fakeclaim Sure. But she is uncc’d. And completely untrustworthy so will have almost zero influence. Plus if she’s truthful mafia is using up the rub on her till they kill her. If there’s a medic or cop or whatever they have free reign. by uncc'd you mean she managed to pick one of the many roles that arent in this game? Or the real GS doesnt wanna out themselves because right now, they dont need to? Those could be true realities. I think she’s town GS and is derping. Lots of townies derp massively concerning their claims. Scum generally have polished ones.
That's the feeling I get from it as well. But I could totally understand why anyone would scumread her for them. Tis a difficult case. But idk I just don't get the feeling she's mafia or why she would have claimed so early as mafia.
Meh fuck it going with gut here and declaring that I'm not going to vote for that.
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On April 11 2018 10:34 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2018 10:32 Tubesock wrote:On April 11 2018 10:27 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 11 2018 10:21 Tubesock wrote:On April 11 2018 10:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok so the two scenarios here is that either Ever is town, completely misread her rolepm multiple times, doesnt know how her actions work OR ever is mafia and completely botching the fakeclaim Sure. But she is uncc’d. And completely untrustworthy so will have almost zero influence. Plus if she’s truthful mafia is using up the rub on her till they kill her. If there’s a medic or cop or whatever they have free reign. by uncc'd you mean she managed to pick one of the many roles that arent in this game? Or the real GS doesnt wanna out themselves because right now, they dont need to? Those could be true realities. I think she’s town GS and is derping. Lots of townies derp massively concerning their claims. Scum generally have polished ones. Dont make me laugh
No Oats he has a point cause since the information is in the OP which can be read BY BOTH ALIGNMENTS she would make the mistakes she made no matter her alignment. Cause it doesn't matter what her alignment is if she misreads it either way.
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But CH is town 100 % at least that much is clear from this exchange. That's actually awesome.
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HF/Rayn/Calix my current guess with chance of skynx somewhere.
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