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Calix, you said town vivax behaves exactly how vivax actually behaved this game in reference to explaining his read on you but you literally just ignore that?
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On April 10 2018 02:22 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 02:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Calix, you said town vivax behaves exactly how vivax actually behaved this game in reference to explaining his read on you but you literally just ignore that? No, I said that Vivax already explained a scenario you posited in the thread, which would thus be the explanation for his actions were Vivax to flip town. Because that's what Vivax is claiming happened. I think this answer was exceedingly obvious, thus making your question terrible. Has this rather long discussion with moi furthered your read on me in any way?
He said it before I said it though? And you said it after he said it
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On April 10 2018 02:27 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 02:15 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 02:11 n00bKing wrote:On April 10 2018 02:06 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 02:00 n00bKing wrote:On April 10 2018 01:51 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:47 n00bKing wrote:On April 10 2018 01:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
Actually noobking, explain why mafia claims Gunsmith in her position. 1) Since this ruleset allows for duplicate roles, a counterclaim from a real Gunsmith will not be as damaging as it would be otherwise. Good reason to fake claim a power role instead of just trying to pass for Vanilla. 2) Since this particular ruleset doesn't keep the roleblocker from choosing the same target on successive nights, Mafia Eversince has a never-ending excuse for failing to pass the gun and verifying her roleclaim. 3) Since this particular ruleset doesn't give notifications to people when they are roleblocked, the mafia roleblocker can continue to roleblock town players while Mafia Eversince pretends to be roleblocked, and no Town players can say "but I was roleblocked too..." Not all rulesets will follow ANY of those three parameters, much less all three of them. But THIS game presents something of a perfect storm, for a fake Gunsmith claim. Why not claim something that can't be verified? Why even claim in that situation?!? It's so far from EoD. Claim something that can't be verified, and people might say "meh, that can't be verified" and then be more inclined to lynch through the claim. With THIS claim, they might reflexively think it CAN be verified, without realizing until later that it actually cannot. And claim so far from EoD if she legitimately wanted to leave the thread and go to bed. She told Vivax she would be around for another 45 minutes to an hour. An hour later she finds herself in the vote lead, at the time she's supposed to be leaving. So she makes the claim. As the excuse for the early claim, she says her "time is up." But she then spends the entire next HOUR defending herself, when she sees that people are NOT reacting positively to the claim. After that hour, she OFFICIALLY declares that she is now going to bed. (Like, for realsies, this time, peoples.) But then spends ANOTHER half hour defending herself from new posts instead. Spending 90 minutes defending herself, when the entire excuse behind the early claim was that she was "out of time" and had to leave. If she were actually Town, then this post: On April 09 2018 23:00 Eversince wrote:
Fucking lynch me then. At least then I can laugh after the fact. could very well have been the last thing she said, instead of us seeing all the things that followed it. But if she were scum and felt increased responsibility/obligation to her teammates (since there are fewer of them, if she's scum) then that might explain the 90 minutes she kept getting dragged into answering new posts. I also can't say I care for the fact that she freely discussed reads on everyone from Vivax to DAMDRED (who had been long-term AFK), but ONE topic she refused to discuss (even when asked directly) was WHY she put her VOTE where it is. That's really bad. But in the face of ALL that, I would give her the opportunity to try and pass the gun on Night 1. If she's Town, maybe we'll get lucky and the scum will not have a roleblocker to stop her with. So if she was the town gunsmith instead, how would she behave differently from what really happened? If she were Town, it makes sense to me that she would have gone ahead and left the thread much nearer to the time she actually said she was going to. Instead of repeatedly saying things like "believe me or don't, I don't care" and "fucking lynch me then" but continuing to defend and defend and defend. If she were Town, she should have answered a simple and direct question about why her vote went where it went, instead of talking about everyone BUT her lynch target. These things were both already mentioned in the post you quoted when you asked. y u no read? Why would she not want to defend herself from being lynched as town when in actuality, anyone cares way more about being mislynched as a blue than lynched as scum LOL Do you have any evidence that people care more about being mislynched as a power role than they care about being lynched as scum? Because "saying it doesn't make it true." Every scum role is more important to its team than ANY power role is important to the town. Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 02:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
I have no idea what you are talking about in reference to her not explaining her lynch target What's not to get?! She parks her vote on me, 100% out of nowhere, and says it's the "best place" for it. And then proceeds to discuss anything and everything EXCEPT the player she voted against, and why that is the best place for that vote. Even when directly asked for her reasoning...silence. Yet although she can't be asked to explain her VOTE, or talk about why it's there, or really even make any further mention of the player it's on, she stayed that extra 90 minutes to talk about reads on OTHER players, including even Damdred, who had been a full-blown AFK for quite some time.
You need to play more games then. Almost nobody gets lynched as uncced blue so it's actually insanely terrible for that to happen as town gets no mafia from it and loses a future confirmed town.
Why would mafia eversince do that?
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On April 10 2018 02:55 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 02:51 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 02:22 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 02:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Calix, you said town vivax behaves exactly how vivax actually behaved this game in reference to explaining his read on you but you literally just ignore that? No, I said that Vivax already explained a scenario you posited in the thread, which would thus be the explanation for his actions were Vivax to flip town. Because that's what Vivax is claiming happened. I think this answer was exceedingly obvious, thus making your question terrible. Has this rather long discussion with moi furthered your read on me in any way? He said it before I said it though? And you said it after he said it I am pretty sure this is incorrect. However I do not care to check since I do not understand where you're going with this. Again, have any of your interactions with me changed your read at all?
That's gonna be a no from me.
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On April 10 2018 02:59 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 01:39 Damdred wrote:
Ive had an emergency at work I'm finishing up I won't make deadline and have 10 minutes before I enter no cell phone zone again.
Will look at the main wagons and vote but just from a glance I dont like the vivac lynch Go away unless you read.
Hey HF how's it going, wanna calix
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On April 10 2018 03:02 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 03:00 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 02:55 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 02:51 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 02:22 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 02:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Calix, you said town vivax behaves exactly how vivax actually behaved this game in reference to explaining his read on you but you literally just ignore that? No, I said that Vivax already explained a scenario you posited in the thread, which would thus be the explanation for his actions were Vivax to flip town. Because that's what Vivax is claiming happened. I think this answer was exceedingly obvious, thus making your question terrible. Has this rather long discussion with moi furthered your read on me in any way? He said it before I said it though? And you said it after he said it I am pretty sure this is incorrect. However I do not care to check since I do not understand where you're going with this. Again, have any of your interactions with me changed your read at all? That's gonna be a no from me. You've interacted with me for like, two pages and you're no more or less convinced on what my alignment is despite me answering a shitload of your questions. Don't think I believe you.
You said changed my read which is no.
I'm convinced you are scum, I think that's pretty obvious
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On April 10 2018 03:08 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 02:55 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 02:27 n00bKing wrote:On April 10 2018 02:15 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 02:11 n00bKing wrote:On April 10 2018 02:06 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 02:00 n00bKing wrote:On April 10 2018 01:51 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:47 n00bKing wrote:On April 10 2018 01:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
Actually noobking, explain why mafia claims Gunsmith in her position. 1) Since this ruleset allows for duplicate roles, a counterclaim from a real Gunsmith will not be as damaging as it would be otherwise. Good reason to fake claim a power role instead of just trying to pass for Vanilla. 2) Since this particular ruleset doesn't keep the roleblocker from choosing the same target on successive nights, Mafia Eversince has a never-ending excuse for failing to pass the gun and verifying her roleclaim. 3) Since this particular ruleset doesn't give notifications to people when they are roleblocked, the mafia roleblocker can continue to roleblock town players while Mafia Eversince pretends to be roleblocked, and no Town players can say "but I was roleblocked too..." Not all rulesets will follow ANY of those three parameters, much less all three of them. But THIS game presents something of a perfect storm, for a fake Gunsmith claim. Why not claim something that can't be verified? Why even claim in that situation?!? It's so far from EoD. Claim something that can't be verified, and people might say "meh, that can't be verified" and then be more inclined to lynch through the claim. With THIS claim, they might reflexively think it CAN be verified, without realizing until later that it actually cannot. And claim so far from EoD if she legitimately wanted to leave the thread and go to bed. She told Vivax she would be around for another 45 minutes to an hour. An hour later she finds herself in the vote lead, at the time she's supposed to be leaving. So she makes the claim. As the excuse for the early claim, she says her "time is up." But she then spends the entire next HOUR defending herself, when she sees that people are NOT reacting positively to the claim. After that hour, she OFFICIALLY declares that she is now going to bed. (Like, for realsies, this time, peoples.) But then spends ANOTHER half hour defending herself from new posts instead. Spending 90 minutes defending herself, when the entire excuse behind the early claim was that she was "out of time" and had to leave. If she were actually Town, then this post: On April 09 2018 23:00 Eversince wrote:
Fucking lynch me then. At least then I can laugh after the fact. could very well have been the last thing she said, instead of us seeing all the things that followed it. But if she were scum and felt increased responsibility/obligation to her teammates (since there are fewer of them, if she's scum) then that might explain the 90 minutes she kept getting dragged into answering new posts. I also can't say I care for the fact that she freely discussed reads on everyone from Vivax to DAMDRED (who had been long-term AFK), but ONE topic she refused to discuss (even when asked directly) was WHY she put her VOTE where it is. That's really bad. But in the face of ALL that, I would give her the opportunity to try and pass the gun on Night 1. If she's Town, maybe we'll get lucky and the scum will not have a roleblocker to stop her with. So if she was the town gunsmith instead, how would she behave differently from what really happened? If she were Town, it makes sense to me that she would have gone ahead and left the thread much nearer to the time she actually said she was going to. Instead of repeatedly saying things like "believe me or don't, I don't care" and "fucking lynch me then" but continuing to defend and defend and defend. If she were Town, she should have answered a simple and direct question about why her vote went where it went, instead of talking about everyone BUT her lynch target. These things were both already mentioned in the post you quoted when you asked. y u no read? Why would she not want to defend herself from being lynched as town when in actuality, anyone cares way more about being mislynched as a blue than lynched as scum LOL Do you have any evidence that people care more about being mislynched as a power role than they care about being lynched as scum? Because "saying it doesn't make it true." Every scum role is more important to its team than ANY power role is important to the town. On April 10 2018 02:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
I have no idea what you are talking about in reference to her not explaining her lynch target What's not to get?! She parks her vote on me, 100% out of nowhere, and says it's the "best place" for it. And then proceeds to discuss anything and everything EXCEPT the player she voted against, and why that is the best place for that vote. Even when directly asked for her reasoning...silence. Yet although she can't be asked to explain her VOTE, or talk about why it's there, or really even make any further mention of the player it's on, she stayed that extra 90 minutes to talk about reads on OTHER players, including even Damdred, who had been a full-blown AFK for quite some time. You need to play more games then. *spit-take* Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 02:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
Almost nobody gets lynched as uncced blue "uncced" means zero in this game. Mafia has no fear of a counterclaim. And in games with role duplication, uncountered claims DO get lynched (and should). You either "need to play more games" using those rules, or maybe just need to play in stronger fields of players. Do what?
The only games with dupe roles have been not normal and 2 gunsmiths is a terrible setup.
Do the thing where she acts super suspicious about her vote on you
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2 gunsmiths might actually be the worst setup I've ever played on
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Worst case scenario is 2nd day lylo
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On April 10 2018 03:13 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 03:07 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 03:02 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 03:00 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 02:55 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 02:51 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 02:22 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 02:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Calix, you said town vivax behaves exactly how vivax actually behaved this game in reference to explaining his read on you but you literally just ignore that? No, I said that Vivax already explained a scenario you posited in the thread, which would thus be the explanation for his actions were Vivax to flip town. Because that's what Vivax is claiming happened. I think this answer was exceedingly obvious, thus making your question terrible. Has this rather long discussion with moi furthered your read on me in any way? He said it before I said it though? And you said it after he said it I am pretty sure this is incorrect. However I do not care to check since I do not understand where you're going with this. Again, have any of your interactions with me changed your read at all? That's gonna be a no from me. You've interacted with me for like, two pages and you're no more or less convinced on what my alignment is despite me answering a shitload of your questions. Don't think I believe you. You said changed my read which is no. I'm convinced you are scum, I think that's pretty obvious I said 'changed at all', I think you'll find. I maintain nobody's read remains 100% static after prolonged interaction with them. But since you are apparently 'convinced' that the super-solvy townie with highest post count is mafia, I shall go back to fucking around in the thread.
Er that's great then
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On April 10 2018 03:18 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 03:02 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 03:00 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 02:55 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 02:51 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 02:22 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 02:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Calix, you said town vivax behaves exactly how vivax actually behaved this game in reference to explaining his read on you but you literally just ignore that? No, I said that Vivax already explained a scenario you posited in the thread, which would thus be the explanation for his actions were Vivax to flip town. Because that's what Vivax is claiming happened. I think this answer was exceedingly obvious, thus making your question terrible. Has this rather long discussion with moi furthered your read on me in any way? He said it before I said it though? And you said it after he said it I am pretty sure this is incorrect. However I do not care to check since I do not understand where you're going with this. Again, have any of your interactions with me changed your read at all? That's gonna be a no from me. You've interacted with me for like, two pages and you're no more or less convinced on what my alignment is despite me answering a shitload of your questions. Don't think I believe you. Can sure be convinced to lynch Oatsmaster. Choosing you as the best D1 lynch strikes me as pretty ridiculous. He's just as obtuse as Vivax, but it feels more sinister. Vivax is maybe more...directionless, than malicious.
What do you think about damdred and skynx then? They also wanna lynch calix and they are objectively worse than me
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On April 10 2018 03:24 Holyflare wrote:
Damdred's reentry is absolutely awful and I hate that oats says he's town for it. Damdred appears to have read nothing, has excused himself from playing till past deadline (fair enough if he's busy) says he'll vote with the wagons and then hard deflects to pretty much the towniest person in the thread off the scummiest.
He agrees with my reads = town?
I mean there's nothing else to judge him on.
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On April 10 2018 03:34 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 03:29 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 03:18 n00bKing wrote:On April 10 2018 03:02 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 03:00 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 02:55 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 02:51 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 02:22 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 02:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Calix, you said town vivax behaves exactly how vivax actually behaved this game in reference to explaining his read on you but you literally just ignore that? No, I said that Vivax already explained a scenario you posited in the thread, which would thus be the explanation for his actions were Vivax to flip town. Because that's what Vivax is claiming happened. I think this answer was exceedingly obvious, thus making your question terrible. Has this rather long discussion with moi furthered your read on me in any way? He said it before I said it though? And you said it after he said it I am pretty sure this is incorrect. However I do not care to check since I do not understand where you're going with this. Again, have any of your interactions with me changed your read at all? That's gonna be a no from me. You've interacted with me for like, two pages and you're no more or less convinced on what my alignment is despite me answering a shitload of your questions. Don't think I believe you. Can sure be convinced to lynch Oatsmaster. Choosing you as the best D1 lynch strikes me as pretty ridiculous. He's just as obtuse as Vivax, but it feels more sinister. Vivax is maybe more...directionless, than malicious. What do you think about damdred and skynx then? They also wanna lynch calix and they are objectively worse than me I don't want to lynch Calix?
Sheep me = lynch caliz
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On April 10 2018 03:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dont think vivax is mafia. Mafia vivax just rolls over and dies. Damdred can easily be mafia.
Nono explain further what HF is saying, I like where he is going
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On April 10 2018 03:39 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 03:36 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 03:24 Holyflare wrote:
Damdred's reentry is absolutely awful and I hate that oats says he's town for it. Damdred appears to have read nothing, has excused himself from playing till past deadline (fair enough if he's busy) says he'll vote with the wagons and then hard deflects to pretty much the towniest person in the thread off the scummiest. He agrees with my reads = town? I mean there's nothing else to judge him on. Your reads are butts though.
That's just your opinion man
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On April 10 2018 03:38 Skynx wrote:
I would've voted by now in that case. Oats and ES are my only super-town reads but i don't think Calix/Vivax are mafia wagons.
So where are you voting?!?
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On April 10 2018 03:39 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 03:28 Holyflare wrote:On April 10 2018 03:26 n00bKing wrote:On April 10 2018 03:24 Holyflare wrote:
Damdred's reentry is absolutely awful and I hate that oats says he's town for it. Damdred appears to have read nothing, has excused himself from playing till past deadline (fair enough if he's busy) says he'll vote with the wagons and then hard deflects to pretty much the towniest person in the thread off the scummiest. And do you hate Damdred more for it or hate Oats more for it? Thing is I haven't quite decided which I hate more  I hate Oats for it more than I hate Damdred for it. Yeah, awful re-entry from Damdred, but it's another one of those instances that borders on "too awful." Like, where's his awareness, if he's scum? Oats townreading him for it bothers me more, especially when you add it to him making Calix his lynch target. Also, I think a red flip from Oats would yield more information about other players than a red flip from...possibly any other player in the game.
Mm yes lynch for 'information', the best kind of lynch.
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On April 10 2018 03:50 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 03:27 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 03:18 n00bKing wrote:On April 10 2018 03:02 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 03:00 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 02:55 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 02:51 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 02:22 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 02:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Calix, you said town vivax behaves exactly how vivax actually behaved this game in reference to explaining his read on you but you literally just ignore that? No, I said that Vivax already explained a scenario you posited in the thread, which would thus be the explanation for his actions were Vivax to flip town. Because that's what Vivax is claiming happened. I think this answer was exceedingly obvious, thus making your question terrible. Has this rather long discussion with moi furthered your read on me in any way? He said it before I said it though? And you said it after he said it I am pretty sure this is incorrect. However I do not care to check since I do not understand where you're going with this. Again, have any of your interactions with me changed your read at all? That's gonna be a no from me. You've interacted with me for like, two pages and you're no more or less convinced on what my alignment is despite me answering a shitload of your questions. Don't think I believe you. Can sure be convinced to lynch Oatsmaster. Choosing you as the best D1 lynch strikes me as pretty ridiculous. He's just as obtuse as Vivax, but it feels more sinister. Vivax is maybe more...directionless, than malicious. Yeah, it's dumb and possibly scummy but I am not lynching anyone with 6-page filter on D1. I think this should be common sense. It's amazing that people are not taking this into account. Mafia like shooting the active high-posting people and leaving the shitty AFK scrubs. Well there's some bad news then. 1) Vivax's filter isn't particularly short anymore either. 2) What you've posted might make a good argument for a No Lynch, but we can't do that in this ruleset. It appears we'd forfeit very little by lynching someone like currentlyhomeless, but I can't put his percentage of flipping red very far above the baseline (if any)
Let's lynch you!
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On April 10 2018 04:12 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 04:10 Damdred wrote:On April 10 2018 04:06 Fecalfeast wrote:Day 1 Vote count
remaining
Vivax (3): n00bKing, Holyflare, Calix, Glowingbear Eversince (0): Calix, raynpelikoneet, ExO_Calix (2): GlowingBear, Oatsmaster, Damdred Holyflare (1): currentlyhomeless GlowingBear (0): Skynxn00bking (2): Vivax, Eversince, ExO_ Skynx (3): Tubesock, Glowingbear, Vivax ExO_ (1): raynpelikoneet raynpelikoneet Raynpelikoneet (0): CalixNot Voting (1):Skynx
Currently Vivax is set to be lynched.
Voting is mandatory! Place votes in THIS THREAD (link) Just my thought but this vote count is horrendous for town I actually agree with you. It is why I am starting to think Vivax might be town despite what I think of his posting. Because there have been a lot of posts but the votes have been weirdly static. Mafia is either AFK or they do not give a damn. Since you could lynch almost anyone here if you wanted to, I think it's option #2.
Why don't we consolidate on you?
Thanks for your consideration
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On April 10 2018 04:16 Skynx wrote:
Currently I'm voting n00bking for 3 reasons
1) Sheep ES.
2) Him scumreading Oats.
3) All the talk about how claim doesn't make ES town and he can be lynched. Mafia making a blind claim when he was so far from danger is actually impossible.
Off wagon why
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