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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22040 Posts
April 09 2018 12:22 GMT
#503
On April 09 2018 17:19 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2018 01:05 Calix wrote:
Half of rayn's posts seem divorced from anything going on in the thread. I can hardly tell what he is referring to half the time since he seems to mix up who he's talking to when he responds to people.

Independent of anything else, this for sure is true. I had already noticed that his posts are more difficult to follow than anyone else's, before reading this from you. And that's with me reading the thread chronologically; I'm sure it'll be even worse if anyone tries to look into his filter later in the game.

If he's Town, then the fact that his posts will later be almost impossible for other Town players to look at, read, and understand, would not be great for his win condition. But if he's Scum, the fact that his posts will later be indecipherable for Town players would not hurt his win condition at all.


I find rayns posts very coherent to read. They are just long, but he doesn't beat around the bush. He is also town so I will defend him to my last breath.

You also started posting after I voted for you. Coincidence or caught pants down?

Either way the fact you are discrediting the way rayn posts really puts you in a bad light for me. I think Calix is town too but busy annoying the raynzo for false reasons and you just chime in taking sides lazily with the above post.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22040 Posts
April 09 2018 12:36 GMT
#513
On April 09 2018 21:27 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2018 21:22 Vivax wrote:
On April 09 2018 17:19 n00bKing wrote:
On April 09 2018 01:05 Calix wrote:
Half of rayn's posts seem divorced from anything going on in the thread. I can hardly tell what he is referring to half the time since he seems to mix up who he's talking to when he responds to people.

Independent of anything else, this for sure is true. I had already noticed that his posts are more difficult to follow than anyone else's, before reading this from you. And that's with me reading the thread chronologically; I'm sure it'll be even worse if anyone tries to look into his filter later in the game.

If he's Town, then the fact that his posts will later be almost impossible for other Town players to look at, read, and understand, would not be great for his win condition. But if he's Scum, the fact that his posts will later be indecipherable for Town players would not hurt his win condition at all.


I find rayns posts very coherent to read. They are just long, but he doesn't beat around the bush. He is also town so I will defend him to my last breath.

You also started posting after I voted for you. Coincidence or caught pants down?

Either way the fact you are discrediting the way rayn posts really puts you in a bad light for me. I think Calix is town too but busy annoying the raynzo for false reasons and you just chime in taking sides lazily with the above post.


What game are you reading? rayn's early posts were not 'very coherent'. Multiple players have agreed with this sentiment.

If I was annoying rayn for ""false"" reasons then how am I town? O_______o


I've read his big post though where he concludes with a bunch of reads and the second post after where he readresses something he explained poorly. All of that combined screams super town to me. And it is coherent. Why should I only focus on his early stuff where he was at work instead?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22040 Posts
April 09 2018 12:53 GMT
#523
On April 09 2018 16:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2018 00:58 ExO_ wrote:
On April 08 2018 06:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Mr. Eversince and Mr. Rayn (because I think you may see what I see)

Calix mafia? Y/N



Starting to read the thread and this is the first thing I see. GB asking Rayn for a read when he hasnt even been inthe thread yet. I don’t buy the idea he just decided to ask an opinion of Rayn in the hopes he’d come into the thread. I think he heard from Rayn in a QT and slipped with this post

This is actually the most terrible single post in thread:
- follow thread sentiment, check
- make up your own reason so you look like you're doing something, check
- doesn't make any sense at all, check


I was actually thinking that the argument is too bad to come from scum. I'd be ashamed if I used such a line of thought as scum. I'd rather not post anything tee hee. So I of arrived to the opposite conclusion.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22040 Posts
April 09 2018 12:54 GMT
#527
On April 09 2018 21:50 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2018 21:22 Vivax wrote:
On April 09 2018 17:19 n00bKing wrote:
On April 09 2018 01:05 Calix wrote:
Half of rayn's posts seem divorced from anything going on in the thread. I can hardly tell what he is referring to half the time since he seems to mix up who he's talking to when he responds to people.

Independent of anything else, this for sure is true. I had already noticed that his posts are more difficult to follow than anyone else's, before reading this from you. And that's with me reading the thread chronologically; I'm sure it'll be even worse if anyone tries to look into his filter later in the game.

If he's Town, then the fact that his posts will later be almost impossible for other Town players to look at, read, and understand, would not be great for his win condition. But if he's Scum, the fact that his posts will later be indecipherable for Town players would not hurt his win condition at all.


I find rayns posts very coherent to read. They are just long, but he doesn't beat around the bush. He is also town so I will defend him to my last breath.

You also started posting after I voted for you. Coincidence or caught pants down?

Either way the fact you are discrediting the way rayn posts really puts you in a bad light for me. I think Calix is town too but busy annoying the raynzo for false reasons and you just chime in taking sides lazily with the above post.


I reported this post for being too mafia orientated.


I was wondering why there are strange james bond lookalikes in suits around my house.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22040 Posts
April 09 2018 12:56 GMT
#529
On April 09 2018 21:55 Holyflare wrote:
The last like 5 posts from vivax are all sureties about reads that look really out of place from what I'd expect vivax to be at right now. Hard defend rayn. Pick out a rayn post and defend exo.


Let's play a game then, you tell me where you expect me to be and why and I tell you where I am actually at.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22040 Posts
April 09 2018 13:00 GMT
#538
On April 09 2018 21:57 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2018 21:56 Vivax wrote:
On April 09 2018 21:55 Holyflare wrote:
The last like 5 posts from vivax are all sureties about reads that look really out of place from what I'd expect vivax to be at right now. Hard defend rayn. Pick out a rayn post and defend exo.


Let's play a game then, you tell me where you expect me to be and why and I tell you where I am actually at.


Let's just do this instead

##vote vivax


Cool so you are not interested into my alignment at all or explaining where I should be with my reads so I can dunk all of your expectations. Sorry, but I am willing and ready to go into detail about anything you want, but you refuse.

I am still fully expecting you to do this:

HF

"Vivax should be reading this guy and this guy and this guy as this cause..."

so I can do this:

Vivax:

"No but I actually read them as this cause l..."
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22040 Posts
April 09 2018 13:04 GMT
#544
On April 09 2018 22:03 Holyflare wrote:
I don't question the reads you have and I'm sure you have reasons for them but they look very out of place and unintuitive.


To me you just look like either I am very close to figuring out your teammates or your teammate is up for lynch and you are trying to get a counterwagon going.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22040 Posts
April 09 2018 13:08 GMT
#551
Eversince claimed gunsmith? That narrows it down.

On April 09 2018 22:05 currentlyhomeless wrote:
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On April 09 2018 22:04 Vivax wrote:
On April 09 2018 22:03 Holyflare wrote:
I don't question the reads you have and I'm sure you have reasons for them but they look very out of place and unintuitive.


To me you just look like either I am very close to figuring out your teammates or your teammate is up for lynch and you are trying to get a counterwagon going.


bro there’s this thing called a vote

sheep me


I am almost caught up chill (currently #410). Though I skimped a bit on fully reading GBs posts fully, will have to get back to it within the day.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22040 Posts
April 09 2018 13:17 GMT
#555
My guess is Skynx/HF/N00bking

If one of these is wrong, Calix is a balls to the wall mafia. But not on D1, she'd have earned that much.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22040 Posts
April 09 2018 13:30 GMT
#560
On April 09 2018 22:22 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2018 22:17 Vivax wrote:
My guess is Skynx/HF/N00bking

If one of these is wrong, Calix is a balls to the wall mafia. But not on D1, she'd have earned that much.


So I've gone from 'town with false reasons to attack rayn' to 'potential ballsy mafia when if one of your reads is wrong', have I? You have fun with that one.

I checked your filter to see why n00b was still in there, because you initially voted for him when he hadn't posted, and your reason for scum-reading him sucks. He made some comments about rayn being hard to understand, therefore he's mafia?


Well his post isn't conclusive. He basically says "rayn writes unintelligible stuff ergo he goes against win con as town and for win con as mafia" but he doesn't go ahead and scum read him for it and remains non committal instead. Being a guy who loves to just say "he can be x or y" as mafia in long overly worded posts as mafia, that makes him mafia to me.

And you are not worth considering for me for day 1 lynch. I find you very disruptive to solving the game so far but I can't discern if you are genuinely like that as town or doing it cause it helps your team so I prefer to follow a wait and see approach. Will be more fun to lynch you for last anyway if you are mafia cause it must take a tremendous effort to do what you're doing.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22040 Posts
April 09 2018 13:44 GMT
#576
HF you said I had no scumreads at a point where I was scum leaning Skynx and n00b, and you just gave me a reason to scumread you cause there is barely anything as dishonest from you in the thread as this push on me where you straight out refuse to engage within your own argumentation.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22040 Posts
April 09 2018 13:53 GMT
#586
On April 09 2018 22:48 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2018 21:22 Vivax wrote:
I find rayns posts very coherent to read. They are just long, but he doesn't beat around the bush. He is also town so I will defend him to my last breath.

How do you know he's Town? That seems like something you forgot to mention. Along with you forgetting to mention THAT he's Town, til now. You passed out townreads to multiple players, but he hadn't been one of them.



His big post to calix just reads all around honest to me, goes into deep detail and my strongest point is that everything he says is actually important to rayn as evidenced by the fact he goes back to detail out what he thought he explained poorly. He also got emotional when faced with calix being cocky towards him. That's town rayn to a tee.

I also hard townread Oats cause there's no way the series of posts he made about Calix backpedaling is something he could have made up as mafia, in my opinion.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22040 Posts
April 09 2018 14:42 GMT
#617
On April 09 2018 23:31 currentlyhomeless wrote:
hmm I need to sleep but there is no one worth sheeping in this game cause HF is scum

sheep me pls

dont disappoint


Rayn is likely sheepable but not on ExO, I think that's an incorrect guess. Since rayn also suspects HF of being mafia there is a decent chance that the wagon will get rolling there. We shall see what GB Oats and Damdred think.

Could use more Damdred in here as well.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22040 Posts
April 09 2018 14:47 GMT
#619
On April 09 2018 21:56 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2018 21:55 Holyflare wrote:
The last like 5 posts from vivax are all sureties about reads that look really out of place from what I'd expect vivax to be at right now. Hard defend rayn. Pick out a rayn post and defend exo.


Let's play a game then, you tell me where you expect me to be and why and I tell you where I am actually at.


This is why HF is mafia btw: Refuses to play this game where he can exactly build a case on me if he's right. He isn't such a dick to me as town. Period.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22040 Posts
April 09 2018 14:51 GMT
#622
On April 09 2018 23:47 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2018 23:42 Vivax wrote:
On April 09 2018 23:31 currentlyhomeless wrote:
hmm I need to sleep but there is no one worth sheeping in this game cause HF is scum

sheep me pls

dont disappoint


Rayn is likely sheepable but not on ExO, I think that's an incorrect guess. Since rayn also suspects HF of being mafia there is a decent chance that the wagon will get rolling there. We shall see what GB Oats and Damdred think.

Could use more Damdred in here as well.


Your rayn sentence is weird. He's currently voting for Eversince. It's a bit odd that you qualify rayn being 'sheepable' by saying you wouldn't vote for ExO_, the person who rayn is most likely to switch his vote to.

I also do not know why you think ExO_ is town aside from "too bad to be scum" (?). What did you make of his latest posts?


Given ES claimed GS there is no way she is getting lynched today. That leaves ExO, HF and maybe you as the next candidates for rayn. Since ExO is a no-go for me atm you can guess where I'll be trying to be ending up with rayn, provided he trusts me enough.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22040 Posts
April 09 2018 14:53 GMT
#623
On April 09 2018 23:50 Holyflare wrote:
The comment about me voting you to derail a mislynch on my partner when eversince was the lead wagon who you didn't even scum read is an example of you just flinging shit that you haven't thought about and pretty much confirms you as mafia to me.


In hindsight it will be one of the most right things that have been said in the thread cause you're not the type to lean that far out of the window as mafia if not cause you have to.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22040 Posts
April 09 2018 14:56 GMT
#625
On April 09 2018 23:53 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2018 23:51 Vivax wrote:
On April 09 2018 23:47 Calix wrote:
On April 09 2018 23:42 Vivax wrote:
On April 09 2018 23:31 currentlyhomeless wrote:
hmm I need to sleep but there is no one worth sheeping in this game cause HF is scum

sheep me pls

dont disappoint


Rayn is likely sheepable but not on ExO, I think that's an incorrect guess. Since rayn also suspects HF of being mafia there is a decent chance that the wagon will get rolling there. We shall see what GB Oats and Damdred think.

Could use more Damdred in here as well.


Your rayn sentence is weird. He's currently voting for Eversince. It's a bit odd that you qualify rayn being 'sheepable' by saying you wouldn't vote for ExO_, the person who rayn is most likely to switch his vote to.

I also do not know why you think ExO_ is town aside from "too bad to be scum" (?). What did you make of his latest posts?


Given ES claimed GS there is no way she is getting lynched today. That leaves ExO, HF and maybe you as the next candidates for rayn. Since ExO is a no-go for me atm you can guess where I'll be trying to be ending up with rayn, provided he trusts me enough.


If you're 'trying to end up on X' with rayn then that's not you thinking rayn is sheepable, is it?

And why is ExO_ a no-go? Are you ever going to explain your reads? Because I'm this close to parking my vote on you forever.


Do your homework:

On April 09 2018 01:02 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2018 00:58 ExO_ wrote:
On April 08 2018 06:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Mr. Eversince and Mr. Rayn (because I think you may see what I see)

Calix mafia? Y/N



Starting to read the thread and this is the first thing I see. GB asking Rayn for a read when he hasnt even been inthe thread yet. I don’t buy the idea he just decided to ask an opinion of Rayn in the hopes he’d come into the thread. I think he heard from Rayn in a QT and slipped with this post


You can be town for this post. But I don't agree with it.


On April 09 2018 21:53 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2018 16:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 09 2018 00:58 ExO_ wrote:
On April 08 2018 06:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Mr. Eversince and Mr. Rayn (because I think you may see what I see)

Calix mafia? Y/N



Starting to read the thread and this is the first thing I see. GB asking Rayn for a read when he hasnt even been inthe thread yet. I don’t buy the idea he just decided to ask an opinion of Rayn in the hopes he’d come into the thread. I think he heard from Rayn in a QT and slipped with this post

This is actually the most terrible single post in thread:
- follow thread sentiment, check
- make up your own reason so you look like you're doing something, check
- doesn't make any sense at all, check


I was actually thinking that the argument is too bad to come from scum. I'd be ashamed if I used such a line of thought as scum. I'd rather not post anything tee hee. So I of arrived to the opposite conclusion.


And yes that's my only reason and it's good enough for me.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22040 Posts
April 09 2018 15:06 GMT
#629
On April 10 2018 00:02 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2018 23:53 Vivax wrote:
On April 09 2018 23:50 Holyflare wrote:
The comment about me voting you to derail a mislynch on my partner when eversince was the lead wagon who you didn't even scum read is an example of you just flinging shit that you haven't thought about and pretty much confirms you as mafia to me.


In hindsight it will be one of the most right things that have been said in the thread cause you're not the type to lean that far out of the window as mafia if not cause you have to.


You either think Eversince is mafia with me, which you have not posited once other than your aforementioned post, or you're just struggling to back pedal your stance because you know it doesn't make sense. There was no town thought process behind what you said since you did not call and have not called Eversince mafia.


No I did never call ES mafia but the way she played out early game before she posted more I had one post where I said that the way she played could come from scum. It never was enough for me to call her mafia though. I don't even know where you get this stuff about EverSince since she never was a priority for me.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22040 Posts
April 09 2018 15:15 GMT
#634
On April 10 2018 00:09 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2018 22:04 Vivax wrote:
On April 09 2018 22:03 Holyflare wrote:
I don't question the reads you have and I'm sure you have reasons for them but they look very out of place and unintuitive.


To me you just look like either I am very close to figuring out your teammates or your teammate is up for lynch and you are trying to get a counterwagon going.


Everybody not currently voting vivax, read this post. Explain to me with the team of noobking/skynx/hf that vivax espoused how he makes the bolded when he never said Eversince is mafia (even called her town) ever.

Think carefully and put yourself in a mindset where you believe this comment.

What is the town mindset that makes you able to say the bolded? It's that Eversince is mafia. Which he never says and has never alluded to.

What is the mafia mindset? To try and shovel shit in my direction with rhetoric.

A town vivax would NEVER come up with this sentence UNLESS he thought Eversince was mafia, which he never did!


No it comes from the mindset where I think you can be mafia and ES or also Calix could be anything.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22040 Posts
April 09 2018 15:15 GMT
#635
Or also where I found Skynx and N00bking
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