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Vivax
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Calix
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On April 18 2018 16:08 currentlyhomeless wrote: if hes right we need to kill hf eventually anyway also we need to decide within the next few hours cause i wont be around at deadline to swap my vote. i’m going to be gone after about another 2 hours. anyway i think its pretty simple. there is one scum between vivax oats and rayn. and at this point the least likely to be scum between them is probably vivax cause rayn could be scum with hf & calix if one of them is gf like exo said. which means killing oats today is not the best choice. calix is somehow saying oats is outed scum here but voting rayn. if calix actually believes oats is 100% outed scum then why the fuck is calix voting someone non-guaranteed-scum when we need to be unanimous? predictably calix will probably switch to oats when no one is going to vote rayn and its still clear oats is the lynch today, which either means we lose bc oats is town or we get another day to decide between calix hf rayn and whoever else is alive. instead the best choice is for us to kill either hf or calix. i’m fine with either since we have to kill both eventually, though i really wanna see hf flip scum :p Also I feel compelled to point out that the bolded paragraph is hot trash. He asserts that "there is 1 scum between Vivax/ Oats/ rayn" and he rules out Vivax because of...something to do with Godfathers and HF/ rayn? K. Apparently NOTHING Vivax has posted makes him town. There isn't anything game-solving here. He's writing words to make it look like he's considering the game but there is no thought. Vivax could have posted monkey pictures and it wouldn't change this paragraph at all because Vivax's posts are completely irrelevant to the 'reasoning' behind why he's I invite you to look at the wording in particular. Vivax is 'least likely mafia' (not town) because of associations. Hedged read that leaves CH a way out if thread sentiment turns against Vivax later. AND THEN SUDDENLY he says that the Vivax/ HF/ rayn thing "means" killing Oats isn't the best choice. Somehow the information in the preceding paragraph has something to do with ruling Oats out as a lynch. I have no idea what. There is no logical progression here. As for the rest of this post, it's basically him trying to push through a HF lynch in the last few hours before EOD. There is no attempt to convince the thread that Oats can be town (because it is not possible) or explaining how HF's macro game makes him mafia. Instead he's spinning some narrative about how HF fake-claiming makes him mafia (when it's NAI for HF) and pushing it in the hopes that Vivax or Tubesock finally fuck up and vote for a townie. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On April 18 2018 19:54 Calix wrote: Yeah, he is definitely trying, but he's defending all the wrong players (rayn, Oats!) and digging up 'dirt' on the townies. He's formed his conclusion (HF/ Calix = mafia) and is manipulating and distorting the facts to fit his agenda. That's why he is mafia. I will probably have to get out the wall-posts at some point to show what I am talking about because you don't see what I see. But when I was talking to him, I could tell he didn't give a flying fuck about whether I was wrong-headed town or mafia. I know when someone's trying to understand my perspective and he was not doing that. Because he already knows I am town and he has to twist what I say to make it look like I'M the mafia instead. I will give him this though, he brings a mean scum game. This is exactly my thoughts on ch. He is talking past me with a narrative of why my actions only make sense as mafia and not looking at town thought process. This would be fine for a tunnelled townie or whatever but it's not tunnel it's flit from one person to the next. Have you seen him do the same thing for rayn and oats even though he keeps referencing them as mafia? I have not. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On April 18 2018 19:42 Calix wrote: I am all in on CH/ rayn/ Oats so the only thing left for me to do is to convince you two that this is the mafia team. rayn/ CH will be doing their best to convince you that HF/ Calix is the team. I am saying this to make it explicit what our agendas are. Like that is the game. HF/ Calix vs rayn/ CH/ Oats. Nobody is compromising from this point onward. Basically you two will decide who wins the game. Instead of looking at individual posts ('micro'), look at what everyone has done this game ('macro'). Look at what HF and myself have been doing this game. Then look at how little rayn and Oats have done. Look at who actually CARES about solving the game and you will have the answer. And Oats is always mafia here, lol. There is no magical tinfoil world where he is town who just decides to diddle himself at LYLO. He's hardly posting anything because he doesn't want to compromise mafia agenda. First look at the third paragraph. It is true me and Oats have done very little (if you wanna put it that way). I do not disagree with it. I however disagree with the fact that anyone has done anything in this game. If we look at the players Calix is talking about and the "macro" throughout the game by "achievements" here is where it goes: Holyflare: - made a decent sounding case on Vivax on D1. Tried to convince me to look into Vivax and when i did, and wanted him to explain more -- i asked him about the meta point he brought up which was contradicting to mine, he never cared enough to go further and prove his point - made a decent sounding case on Calix on N1, this never went anywhere after this - hard-scumread Exo at some point during the Skynx lynch day, this never went anywhere (albeit part of the reasoning is that Exo died the next night) - made a case on Skynx - has waffled on my alignment all game, when there is no logical reason to think i am mafia he thinks i am mafia, when there is a logical reason to think i am mafia (check) he doesn't think i am mafia as much as before...??? Calix: - I don't give a flying fuck what she has said on D1 because she ended up voting noone. Period, she did nothing D1. - Sheeped the rest of the game. - Today is making claims that i will disprove and tell why they don't follow town logic shortly after I am not touching D2 and D3 because the only people who did something notable in those days were Eversince and Skynx and that doing was "kill myself". Noone else did anything during those days, except for CH (and kind of me because noone really understood what CH was saying) who made the case on Eversince and Holyflare who made the case on Skynx. I think it is very unreasonable thing to say someone did anything on D2 or D3, because noone did. If that's what calix is saying, she (and HF) has done less than me. You should never count doing something in "doing something" when it doesn't end up anywhewre. If you're not counting that, then her argument falls apart because i actually have done stuff, people haven't jsut listened to me. Notice the last paragraph here in that post. The important thing is that Calix thinks Oats is mafia. Now let's go here: Calix wants to get votes on me (i assume she wants to get votes on me because otherwise everything she has done today is pointless) instead of oats because: Mafia are voting for Oats which tells me he is not an important role like Role blocker. Because you do not bus RBer when Vet is alive. So I think Rayn is more likely to have a good scum role. Tubesock, especially Tubesock. Can you understand the why this argument is scummy? Any mafia role doesn't mean shit here. Even if i am mafia with Oatsmaster mafia can still shoot Tubesock twice without roleblocking him if they choose to and and it doesn't change when LYLO is. The only reasoning where this makes sense from town perspective is if: - She doesn't think Oatsmaster is mafia (which is incorrect as per her) - She thinks Tubesock is mafia (because all the town votes need to be in the same place, and she doesnt think Tubesock is mafia) The only reasoning that actually makes sense here is that she is mafia and wants to end the game today. This happens (REGARDLESS OF MY AFFILIATION) if there are two townies on me and Oatsmaster, yes, even if we are both mafia that's what happens. The plan is to try divide votes for townies. And that is fucking scummy. She doesn't even have a case on me, she just wants me dead. And uses the "thread sentiment" of how the game has gone to paint me scummy with saying "you arent doing anything". Being annoying doesn't make anyone mafia, it just makes them being annoying, nothing else, and i am annoying. That's pretty much it. She never tries to convince Tubesock to vote for me instead of Oats which she should be doing if she is town because there is only mafia motivation not to. That is what Calix has done today. Sure she ended up on Oats now when i said it already. So it doesn't mean shit. I even waited to see if she just made a mistake but there is no way a person who has experience playing mafia does not understand this in hours being active all time. ---------------------- On Holyflare: I said before i don't know why Holyflare is letting bad arguments running around in thread. He has to be mafia for it. This is one of them. The above is something Holyflare should easily figure out if he paid enough attention. Even if he thinks Calix is town (well actually ESPECIALLY) he should guide Calix to the right track and cut the crap there. Yet he doesn't. He doesn't do anything about it, jsut says: ..which is fucking weakkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk............. It's like he wants to be right but have a chance for town to fuck up at the same time. There are also other instances of that behavior, like Calix' earlier case on me, Exo me/gb stuff, where HF should 100% know the argument is (if not scummy, at least) fucking terrible and never makes any sense. I am sure i forgot some others but those come to my mind at the top of my head. Another thing is the read on me, where Holyflare reads me as mafia when he should not, and reads me town when he "should not" (aka when there are less reasons for him to read me as town). The read progression is super fucking dumb in my opinion. ---------------------- CH, you need to vote for Oatsmaster. I think Tubesock said he isn't gonna be around anymore(?). Vivax you need to do whatever Tubesock does, or if they both fucking afk'd already you need to vote for Oatsmaster quickly. Right now always vote for Oats. Otherwise you risk losing the game. So go do it. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
The argument on me is just bs too. I didn't stop arguments when I post twice a day before work and slightly after work when these conversations occur that you can easily defend yourself? Are there examples of these conversations? | ||
Fecalfeast
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Day 4 Vote count remaining Oatsmaster (5): raynpelikoneet (1): Holyflare (1): currentlyhomeless, Not Voting (0): Currently Oatsmaster is set to be lynched. Voting is mandatory! Place votes in THIS THREAD (link) | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On April 19 2018 00:44 Holyflare wrote: I don't think calix is mafia. It's simple. I think your read that she should know tube can just be shot twice and changes nothing is a complete stretch. The town explanation is that townies don't always/really ever need to think about how many lynches are left if they shoot a vet twice. They just need to find mafia. I can say this with confidence because I also did not know that and I'm town so it's definitely possible. The argument on me is just bs too. I didn't stop arguments when I post twice a day before work and slightly after work when these conversations occur that you can easily defend yourself? Are there examples of these conversations? No it is not. It is not a stretch because Calix has clearly thought this through since she can come to a conclusion where she wants to lynch me because "i am an important power role". I understand your point could possibly come from town, i concede to that, but Calix' never can. It just can't. The only reason she can make that point is if she wants to divide townies into voting two different targets, as i said it doesn't even matter if i am mafia or not in this scenario, because Calix thinks Oats is mafia. If Calix thinks Oats is mafia she should NEVER EVER vote outside Oats unless she thinks Tubesock is mafia. It is that simple. I am not blaming you for not having this conclusion yourself in the first place, because you are not Calix. I am blaming you for not thinking this through yourself AFTER and having this conclusion and telling Calix -- as you think she is town -- that EVEN IF YOU ARE CORRECT AND ME AND OATS ARE BOTH MAFIA she is trying to lose the game right now!!!!!!!! That's what i am blaming you for, and i don't know why you would do that, unless you are mafia. This is an example of said argument. Another one is this: On April 09 2018 00:58 ExO_ wrote: Starting to read the thread and this is the first thing I see. GB asking Rayn for a read when he hasnt even been inthe thread yet. I don’t buy the idea he just decided to ask an opinion of Rayn in the hopes he’d come into the thread. I think he heard from Rayn in a QT and slipped with this post On April 09 2018 16:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is actually the most terrible single post in thread: - follow thread sentiment, check - make up your own reason so you look like you're doing something, check - doesn't make any sense at all, check I can't show you what you did regarding this because you did absolutely nothing. You should 100% always know this is a retarded argument because it doesn't make any sense and there is always town motivation for GB to do that, there is always a town motivation for me to "not be around" because it was fucking middle of the night, yet you never ever say anything about this post, ever. Only after D2 you start pressing Exo for being mafia. Yet STILL this isn't included in your reasoning, when it was a terrible conclusion that SHOULD in a normal world be scummy as fuck. Just because it is. Another thing is this: On April 09 2018 16:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you believe this, why didn't you vote for me when i was "making shit up"? The reason i am highly considering you as mafia is because the way you agreed to Calix' case -- especially this part doesn't make any sense. If you believe Calix is correct (which you did) you should yourself have voted for me as per your own definition on "what a townie should do". Another funny thing is that you yourself make such claims all the time and if we lynched for that you would probably be lynched in every single game. But the bottom part is you do one thing but still say the townie thing to do is the other thing. This is what you also did when Calix made a case that in no way makes me mafia (even if i was mafia the reasoning she used never makes me mafia and you should know better to know it). Same thing happens here today, Calix is using extremely flawed reasoning to call me mafia and you just.... do nothing.,,,, I can't show you how you reacted to these theings because... you just didn't. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
You know that, newer players might not. So i can't find the motivation for you as town to let these arguments run around because it cannot possibly make you to get a better read on me (it never should), it only helps causing other people possibly thinking i am mafia for absolutely garbafge reasons. I don't know why i am trying to convince you you are scum so i will stop posting here. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Holyflare
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Holyflare
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Holyflare
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You can't say I should stop those arguments therefore I'm mafia. The simple answer is I'm town and don't give a shit to stop those arguments. You're gonna have to deal with your logic being flawed I'm afraid. | ||
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Holyflare
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Holyflare
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Holyflare
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Holyflare
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On April 19 2018 03:12 Holyflare wrote: If currentlyhomeless is town we've already lost the fucking game anyway. Nah actually if oats is mafia it's just ok | ||
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Holyflare
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Holyflare
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On April 19 2018 03:00 Holyflare wrote: Her vote is on oats how is she losing the game? I said she was at the time. Like why are you twisting the argument into something that it is not? I clearly explained why it doesn't even matter anymore. I am not applying this to homeless because he is just dumb as fuck and all over the place as it seems. But someone who claims to be very fucking observant and super townie and all that shit yeah no....... Yeah you are right, we arent losing if homelss is not mafia. Oh right, your argument that he is df or disformation is completely retarded because there is absolutely 0% chance EVER in this game this dude is disformation and if he was darthfoley you should be pushing his lynch 100% of the time every single second you "figured out" it is darthfoley because even his first post in the game always makes him mafia if he is darthfoley (or basically any of the "normal players" who play nowadays aside from sicklucker). | ||
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