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Calix
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On April 15 2018 17:57 Holyflare wrote: I also didn't say 2 Mafia. I said there could be 2-3. You said 2 mafia like twice and only mentioned the possibility of '66-100% chance of mafia outside of claims' once which is why I didn't recall it. Also currently on your D2 and not really seeing the mafia so far. | ||
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Holyflare
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Calix
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On April 15 2018 18:04 Holyflare wrote: it's probably because I'm blatantly not mafia Gotta make sure though. Because if it's not you then it almost has to be rayn and then mafia team is Skynx/ rayn/ Oats. Because Vivax, while being a pain in the neck, doesn't seem to be pushing a mafia agenda. Or if he is, he's doing a really shite job at it. And nobody's said anything convincing for mafia!CH. | ||
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Calix
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I see pretty much nothing voting-wise which would contradict this world. rayn basically called Skynx the Town Tard but hasn't interacted much with Oats/ Skynx. Skynx had that weird 'rayn and GB are scum but rayn's under fire so I'll vote for GB' post. Scum-reads rayn early on but then drops it abruptly. He probably wasn't meaning to 'save' Vivax because Skynx had dropped his rayn/ GB scum-reads by EOD and was probably just looking for somewhere to vote. + Show Spoiler [Some posts relating to rayn and Oats] + On April 10 2018 23:09 Skynx wrote: Updated town pile: Oats, HF, GB, ES HF is on equal grounds with Oats right now, came out guns blazing out of his earlygame trolling. Constantly pushing people and reading his stuff kinda makes sense right now. As long as he's playing like this I'm not lynching him. I think GB is town here. I tried to read him like he was mafia but it just didn't fit together. His general attitude and approach to the game is pretty towny imo. + Show Spoiler + On April 10 2018 00:12 GlowingBear wrote: I must say our votecount looks terrible. Here is a list of people that we should be lynching today: 1. Skynx 4. ExO_ 6. Eversince 7. currentlyhomeless 8. Calix 12. Vivax 13.Damdred In order of my preference: Skynx is the best option. He came to the thread, made a very bad case and instead of choosing his most scumread, he voted me because "rayn had a lot of questions to answer". This is not a townie thought process. A town lynches the scummiest and votes the scummiest. Also, he just peaced out of the game. Vivax doesn't sound like Vivax. Not contributive. Not chasing information in thread. Exo sounds so emotionally dettached from the game. Also calling me out without further pursuing me was weird. He isn't really commenting on the hot topics of the thread, but mostly following his own agenda. Calix, I don't know. I can see her changing her POV on rayn and me. But it feels so weird. Especially when rayn attacks her agreeing with me she looked scummy, then she also scumreads him, and then they both drop their scumreads in a flinch. Currentlyhomeless, currentlyuseless. Damdred, he is simply not playing the game and I hate it. This is an alright list (except exo i guess i don't an opinion on him right now). He keeps bringing up why me and Vivax are scum, trying to convince people to actually lynch us. I can see why stuff on Calix makes sense in his world if he's so keen on seeing my case as shit. I also don't think his eod switch would come from mafia when i go back to evaluate it. Just sit on me comfortably right? My case was shit and lots of scumread on me, no one is going to blame him if he just stayed. He's just town. ES i guess we just have to believe his claim for now. His paranoia and stress can be faked (well not faked but if i actually claimed and fucked up like that thats the only move left to do) but I find it genuine. Plus yeah claiming there is really bad if you're mafia. And i liked his defence of me against Tube before he claimed. On April 10 2018 23:14 Skynx wrote: I'd like to put rayn in there aswell but I think he kinda fell off last 12hours of yesterday. His earlier stuff on me i liked, such as bringing up the last game where i did something similar, felt like that was impossible to come from mafia unless someone else brought it up. However, him switching back to ES when claim is uncc'd felt very odd to me, when he had other scumreds such as Exo. His Vivax townread is mostly based on meta which i don't like as he seems to be using pure meta reads as a front against others. On April 12 2018 04:02 Skynx wrote: Thx. I'm still yet to have an opinion on Vivax and homeless, tube is also null to me right now, probably one of them (and/or ES). I'll actually just put out what i have atm: HF, Oats, rayn tube, vivax, homeless Damdred, Calix/Exo (tvs) ignore: ES I'll definitely won't lynch into my town pile until 1 mafia is left and/or ES is dead. I've never actually played with scum!hf. scum!oats and scum!rayn fooled me once i think, so there are player capable of pulling off what they did so far as scum but I won't consider that possibility until dire need. "I won't lynch into my town pile (which I put my scum buddies in, aren't I clever?) until there's only one mafia left or ES, the person I don't want to lynch, dies. But everyone in my town pile is LIKE RLY GUD and could TOTES BE SCUM but I'm just going to put off that possibility for reasons." Dunno why Skynx goes full retard and votes himself here, thus putting him ahead of his scum-read HF. But whatever. He has self-voted before as mafia. It was in NSM XXIV and I was also in that game. As for Oats, he's been pushing pretty much nothing but townies in this world. Almost never discusses Skynx aside from a throwaway town-read (???) and calls rayn 'nullish scum' at one point but doesn't really go anywhere with that. Yeah, this works. tl;dr: I have found a world which DOESN'T require absurd levels of bussing to work. I win! | ||
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Calix
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Holyflare
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On April 14 2018 21:59 Holyflare wrote: Oats/skynx/oneofraynorvivaxdonthateforsaying bit late there | ||
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Calix
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Holyflare
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On April 15 2018 08:42 Holyflare wrote: Yes, he isn't reading at all. What are the reasons you are voting skynx? Your initial vote post seems to imply that it's because he wasn't saying anything about calix? Subsequent posts give more reasons (hedging or whatever). I don't think he's mafia. I think he's very stubborn and is incapable of actually having a discussion about anything that isn't his scum read. I think he plays very badly when he's like this and it's depressing but it's not necessarily mafia vivax. eliminated that possibility yo | ||
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Calix
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Holyflare
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Calix
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Holyflare
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raynpelikoneet
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raynpelikoneet
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Thw voting form D2 however does not suggest Exo and Calix are both mafia. Now i don't know how possible it is that Exo realizes Calix isn't going to be lynched after all, maybe he could, considering Damdred is not voting and assumed to come back, and because it is assumed Eversince wouldn't be staying on herself until the end. Actually it is probably as likely as that they are not mafia together. The reason i am talking about this is because of this wagon that happened yesterday: Calix (4): Oatsmaster, Tubesock, skynx, ExO_ There is always, always mafia here. And Tubesock is not mafia. I can never ever understand why these people chose not to vote for Eversince yesterday. tubesock's role suggests that his vote makes sense. Exo's vote however doesn't. If there is a gunsmith in the game a parity cop should be extremely vary of the claim espoecially considering all the things that happened regarding the claim. There was never any reason to townread Eversince after she forgot GB died, never. So all these votes imply TMI. Tubesock's TMI i understand completely since gunsmith is technically a KP role and he is most likely anti-KP, his actions make sense. Exo's TMI or "TMI" as per his assumed role should lead him to the opposite conclusion. Oats and Skynx i don't even know... Like this is either "town can't be this dumb so i vote for my scumbuddy and assume them not get lynched" or just plain out fear to vote for someone you know to be town power role. The second option is in my opinion more likely and i think it makes Calix look a bit more townie. But then again her eod1 was horrible and makes not any sense at all so idk.  I think Holyflare's case on Skynx is good. I can't find any reason for town Skynx to do what he does here. Regarding other people as well i am gonna say this. The people in this pool; Skynx, Exo, Vivax, Calix, Eversince. If you are town you are the reason i am i cannot possibly scumread Holyflare in this game. The other reason is the last town game i played in and tried to think with the mindset "people being irrational and doing stupid stuff isn't necessarily mafia" made me facepalm after the game because i ended up thinking Holyflare is mafia for pushing (all the correct) people for the opposite of this reasoning. I won't do it again and if Holyflare is mafia in this game then you all failed by being extremely illogical at times. What's sad about this is that at least, with Eversince, at least two of those people have to be town. So yeah, especially Exo here, if he is town he should probably think to himself why do the two people one of which he has "red checked" don't wanna lynch each other. Newsflash, it's your fault, because you're just scummy as fuck, or plain out scum. Your posts don't make sense, your reads are based on shady reasoning, your votes are based on shady reasoning, and you made a retarded connection theory at the start of the game, one that noone should ever make as town because either you don't have all the information or if you do you should know there is absolutely nothing that backs up your thought process. Either way, we always end up with there is nothing to back up your thought process. I also find it sad people are saying my D1 was weak. Because it wasn't. Idk, maybe it's my fault for not "pushing Exo harder" since noone seems to be understanding why the original read on GB/me was so fucking full of shit, so i am sorry for that, i simply just didn't have enough time. Someone was also saying i read people based on meta and only meta. that's wrong. I read certain people based on meta because if i try to read them by their content i will always end up thinking they are mafia and i know i can aswell go wrong on them than not. Those people are, and have been Skynx, Vivax and Oatsmaster. If i try to logically think / argue they are mafia or town i will always end up thinking they are mafia because that's always the correct answer logically speaking. Yes, it is. You can argue that "ofc if you're mafia with those people you can use it as a reason to not read them" which is correct, but the fact is i can't be mafia with all of them even if i was mafia. Does any of you understand that if i was mafia, in the pool of those people there is always at least one townie and i could easily create "content" by pointing out the flaws in logic there á la Holyflare style, and look good doing so? I think the people who scumread Holyflare are dumb, and if the reasoning is anything other than "one of him and rayn is mafia and rayn looks better" it is dumb. To be honest i am almost willing to lynchy myself over Holyflare since maybe then he can see why Exo is very very very likely to be mafia and not waffle around with some other lynches. Or i end up facepalming again if he is in fact mafia... Well okay, Skynx isn't a bad lynch, neither is Calix. Maybe they are even both mafia. I genuinely don't understand why Skynx would feel the need to rage over his top 3 mafia having a wagon on him and martyr. That just seems super fucking fake. Calix and Vivax. Mehhhhhhh... Now i really hate Eversince fucked up majorly, even more than before. It is true that Calix' D3 looks better than before but still, i can't get over the eod1 shit and i would have probably voted for Calix D2 if there wasn't the eversince stuff. I honestly don't jsut care about Vivax anymore. Whatever. I am tired of trying to argue with him when his arguments are driven by who calls him scum at times and then he wants to atalk about something but it is only him talking and not listening. It is terrible if he is town.Oats could actually be mafia. I don't have any specific reason because this is pretty much how his town play looks like, and as i said he is usually much funnier to play with when he is scum because he is actually doing something that makes sense and actaully discussing shit. But if there are two townies in Skynx/Calix/Vivax/Exo, Oats is definitely mafia. Just because he isn't calling me mafia enough, as that's what he does as town and not so much as mafia as he cannot actually find reasons for me to be mafia since he can somewhat read me lol. Out of the lynch options, i think: Skynx is the best lynch. Calix is maybe not mafia Holyflare is not mafia. Exo is my preferred lynch but i am going to vote for Skynx out of those three if for some reason Exo isn't an option. Actually there is another reason for Skynx to be mafia but it's bad so i don't wanna say that outloud. You can maybe find it by looking at the voting thread D1 around the time i voted for Exo and compare it to my posts on D1. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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I townread both Vivax and Skynx on D1. Vivax and Skynx are leading wagons. Then this happens. On April 10 2018 02:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##unvote ##vote exo_ On April 10 2018 02:54 Skynx wrote: ##Unvote On April 10 2018 04:16 Skynx wrote: ##Vote: n00bking On April 10 2018 04:17 Vivax wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: N00bking | ||
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Calix
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On April 16 2018 00:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: The voting from D1 suggests that A team of Calix / Vivax / Exo is definitely possible. Thw voting form D2 however does not suggest Exo and Calix are both mafia. Now i don't know how possible it is that Exo realizes Calix isn't going to be lynched after all, maybe he could, considering Damdred is not voting and assumed to come back, and because it is assumed Eversince wouldn't be staying on herself until the end. Actually it is probably as likely as that they are not mafia together. Calix/ Vivax/ ExO could be a thing based on D1 but D2 suggests Calix/ ExO aren't mafia together. Rest of this paragraph is nonsense. The reason i am talking about this is because of this wagon that happened yesterday: There is always, always mafia here. And Tubesock is not mafia. I can never ever understand why these people chose not to vote for Eversince yesterday. tubesock's role suggests that his vote makes sense. Exo's vote however doesn't. If there is a gunsmith in the game a parity cop should be extremely vary of the claim espoecially considering all the things that happened regarding the claim. There was never any reason to townread Eversince after she forgot GB died, never. So all these votes imply TMI. Tubesock's TMI i understand completely since gunsmith is technically a KP role and he is most likely anti-KP, his actions make sense. Exo's TMI or "TMI" as per his assumed role should lead him to the opposite conclusion. Oats and Skynx i don't even know... There's always a mafia in the people voting for Calix [Oats, Tube, ExO, Skynx] + some nonsense about roles. Who gives a shit? There's nothing stopping Parity Cop and Gunsmith from being a thing. Like this is either "town can't be this dumb so i vote for my scumbuddy and assume them not get lynched" or just plain out fear to vote for someone you know to be town power role. The second option is in my opinion more likely and i think it makes Calix look a bit more townie. But then again her eod1 was horrible and makes not any sense at all so idk. D2 votes point to town!Calix but actually no because her D1 was bad. Inconclusive as fuck. I think Holyflare's case on Skynx is good. I can't find any reason for town Skynx to do what he does here. Regarding other people as well i am gonna say this. The people in this pool; Skynx, Exo, Vivax, Calix, Eversince. If you are town you are the reason i am i cannot possibly scumread Holyflare in this game. The other reason is the last town game i played in and tried to think with the mindset "people being irrational and doing stupid stuff isn't necessarily mafia" made me facepalm after the game because i ended up thinking Holyflare is mafia for pushing (all the correct) people for the opposite of this reasoning. I won't do it again and if Holyflare is mafia in this game then you all failed by being extremely illogical at times. What's sad about this is that at least, with Eversince, at least two of those people have to be town. "I'm sheeping HF's points on Skynx. Now let me regale you with some exciting and completely irrelevant nonsense about how all the super-illogical people are making HF look really townie in comparison. There's no reason for you to give a shit that this paragraph exists." So yeah, especially Exo here, if he is town he should probably think to himself why do the two people one of which he has "red checked" don't wanna lynch each other. Newsflash, it's your fault, because you're just scummy as fuck, or plain out scum. Your posts don't make sense, your reads are based on shady reasoning, your votes are based on shady reasoning, and you made a retarded connection theory at the start of the game, one that noone should ever make as town because either you don't have all the information or if you do you should know there is absolutely nothing that backs up your thought process. Either way, we always end up with there is nothing to back up your thought process. "ExO sucks at the game. By the way I scum-read this dude. But instead of persuading people to vote for ExO, I'll just call him shit." I also find it sad people are saying my D1 was weak. Because it wasn't. Idk, maybe it's my fault for not "pushing Exo harder" since noone seems to be understanding why the original read on GB/me was so fucking full of shit, so i am sorry for that, i simply just didn't have enough time. Some defense stuff. Someone was also saying i read people based on meta and only meta. that's wrong. I read certain people based on meta because if i try to read them by their content i will always end up thinking they are mafia and i know i can aswell go wrong on them than not. Those people are, and have been Skynx, Vivax and Oatsmaster. If i try to logically think / argue they are mafia or town i will always end up thinking they are mafia because that's always the correct answer logically speaking. Yes, it is. You can argue that "ofc if you're mafia with those people you can use it as a reason to not read them" which is correct, but the fact is i can't be mafia with all of them even if i was mafia. Does any of you understand that if i was mafia, in the pool of those people there is always at least one townie and i could easily create "content" by pointing out the flaws in logic there á la Holyflare style, and look good doing so? "I use meta reads because Skynx, Oats, Vivax are so illogical that I'd scum-read them every game using logic." Also what the actual Christ is that last sentence. Literally nobody was accusing you of that nor did anyone give a shit??? I think the people who scumread Holyflare are dumb, and if the reasoning is anything other than "one of him and rayn is mafia and rayn looks better" it is dumb. To be honest i am almost willing to lynchy myself over Holyflare since maybe then he can see why Exo is very very very likely to be mafia and not waffle around with some other lynches. Or i end up facepalming again if he is in fact mafia... "I'm going to follow in Skynx's footsteps and martyr needlessly but not really instead of convincing people to lynch ExO." Well okay, Skynx isn't a bad lynch, neither is Calix. Maybe they are even both mafia. I genuinely don't understand why Skynx would feel the need to rage over his top 3 mafia having a wagon on him and martyr. That just seems super fucking fake. Waffling. Calix and Vivax. Mehhhhhhh... Now i really hate Eversince fucked up majorly, even more than before. It is true that Calix' D3 looks better than before but still, i can't get over the eod1 shit and i would have probably voted for Calix D2 if there wasn't the eversince stuff. I honestly don't jsut care about Vivax anymore. Whatever. I am tired of trying to argue with him when his arguments are driven by who calls him scum at times and then he wants to atalk about something but it is only him talking and not listening. It is terrible if he is town."I'm going to pretend Calix isn't pissing town all over the thread when almost everyone else has concluded this by now." Oats could actually be mafia. I don't have any specific reason because this is pretty much how his town play looks like, and as i said he is usually much funnier to play with when he is scum because he is actually doing something that makes sense and actaully discussing shit. But if there are two townies in Skynx/Calix/Vivax/Exo, Oats is definitely mafia. Just because he isn't calling me mafia enough, as that's what he does as town and not so much as mafia as he cannot actually find reasons for me to be mafia since he can somewhat read me lol. "Oats can be mafia now that people are talking about him. I'll write a whole paragraph about him that doesn't really say anything and contributes nothing." Out of the lynch options, i think: Skynx is the best lynch. Calix is maybe not mafia Holyflare is not mafia. Exo is my preferred lynch but i am going to vote for Skynx out of those three if for some reason Exo isn't an option. Actually there is another reason for Skynx to be mafia but it's bad so i don't wanna say that outloud. You can maybe find it by looking at the voting thread D1 around the time i voted for Exo and compare it to my posts on D1. WHY ARE YOU NOT TRYING TO CONVINCE US TO KILL EXO? He's your main scum-read wtf. And how did you write such a long post and not mention currentlyhomeless ONCE? Impressive. But for real, this post was way too aimless, fluffy, talked too much about irrelevant stuff, whatever you want to call it. And it's quite forgettable despite being the biggest wall-post this game. | ||
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