[M] Classic Mafia - Page 55

On March 21 2018 16:42 n00bKing wrote:
Mentioned that I wasn't sure how to "unlock" Alakaslam and make him productive. Not sure if I "unlocked" him or "broke" him...but...something's happening, at least.

Regardless of what happens for the rest of the game, signing up was worth it just to see this post:

On March 21 2018 17:07 n00bKing wrote:

Eh. Perfectly happy to help you keep an eye on her, but high-activity players are poor D1 lynches. I expect her to post, I expect her to respond to people who make an effort to engage her, and I expect to be able to read her with a lot more confidence as time goes on. As much as I disagreed with her initial set of musings, I can't support a D1 lynch of rsoul.

On March 21 2018 17:13 rsoultin wrote:


When I say boring I mean focusing and talking about things that aren't interesting/irrelevant.

Which is not something I'd like to attribute to town players. However, there is the possibility that he genuinely believes we can't lynch scum except by happy accident on d1 (or if scum just really fucks up)

On March 21 2018 17:30 rsoultin wrote:
Okay, let me list my points:

- slam entered the thread seeming to have less fun than my experience is when he's town

- he chided people for fast judgments, then made one himself

- picks up the 'slam whisperer' rhetoric when I have not claimed any such thing (if anything, I'm predisposed to townread him, even when he's scum) to push a narrative that scum rsoul wants to use her whisperer clout to get him mislynched d1

- this third point directly contradicts a long-standig view of the game in which slam believes scum tries to keep him as late as possible to mislynch him and win the game off that

No, I don't claim to have a god read on him. I do claim that none of this feels like town slam tone or how slam would think. And I almost never want to lynch him, which makes me more convinced that I'm probably right here.

On March 21 2018 17:34 n00bKing wrote:

Seriously do not know what other interpretation of his words could be considered, other than the one I posted. I'll be way way surprised, if he tells us that wasn't what he meant.

lol, oh god, not another one. You "just found mafia" did you? Stone lock, can't miss red flip right there, huh? Just like HF is gonna take the "free scum?" Just like Mocsta and his assertion that even if Moosy is scum and we pass him over anyway, there's still enough D1 content to lynch successfully anyway??! If you're town, whichever scum read you are MOST confident in, is PROBABLY incorrect. Since I'm town, whichever scum read I am MOST confident in, is PROBABLY incorrect.

On March 21 2018 17:42 rsoultin wrote:
-flicks noob- if you're trying to 'understand' me, the answer to your question about slam is already in the post you just quoted from

And obviously i prefer a slam lynch. But if that doesn't materialize, I want to refine my other reads.

And I really don't see how your list vs my gut with only a little logic mixed in yields the same reads to such an extent that my having different reads than you d1 is enough to not want to vote slam whom you agree with me on!

Plus you simultaneously say

You don't care who gets lynched, must be scum!

And

Anyone who is certain of who they're lynching is bad because they're probably wrong

Makes any earthly sense. It's like...stop being bad. But don't stop too much because townies are bad, and not being bad makes people scum.

How does that even make sense?

On March 21 2018 17:47 Holyflare wrote:
Don't really wanna lynch noob over other names that I haven't created a narrative for yet.

On March 21 2018 17:57 rsoultin wrote:
-facedesks-

And this is yet another reason why I say 'ppl probably won't see what I see'. Managing expectations.

If I don't get anyone to talk to me about slam my head might explode ><

Tell me I am not the only one who knows about his chupazi game theory?

On March 21 2018 18:01 n00bKing wrote:

So...the answer to my question of "how do you get him lynched, while saying that other people won't see what you're scumreading him for?" is...what, this?

"Doesn't mean he can't be lynched for other reasons that I might find less compelling but others like."

Otherwise, no, I don't see how you expect to get him lynched, by doing what you're doing. Which is why I said that it doesn't really seem like you care whether he's the lynch. (Or whether I am. Or who it is.)

Yeah, people who don't care who get lynched are more likely to be scum. agree
And yeah, people who are certain they've got the right D1 lynch are bad/dumb, because they're probably wrong. agree

Town players should care who the lynch is, and try to get their preferred target into the Noose. agree And then they should expect to be wrong, NO and see that player flip Town. They should not prefer the lynch then. Say what you mean, not demonstrative hyperbole. Yes, if people reach higher understanding, they should be open to being wrong as it is rather likely. But they should not vote for something they expect to be wrong, as that is playing into scum’s hands. They should vote for who they expect to be scum, but be willing to consider a world where they are wrong due to the likelihood of that. But I was dead certain of your alignment quite early last game, more certain than I usually ever am, and I was also quite right. But since I did it so early, I purposely second guessed myself a LOT.

Did that really improve your opinion of me? Or did it give you opportunity to manipulate my thinking into almost lynching Holyflare instead? Narcissism is really unhealthy and your next step toward the same rep here that you have on SB and elsewhere is basically ditching Narcissuses. Because both the math AND the game mechanics work together to give you a Day 1 mislynch. Sure- but never tell Han Solo the odds. Nor me, or most of TL Mafia. It’s like playing Star Wars battlefront; Heros and Villains is a very different experience from the main game proper. And unless someone on the scum team seriously BOTCHES the Phase, a mislynch is exactly what you'll get. hold on now we are the site with the good scum players. ...
Well, or I’m wrong and everyone on your site is more rigid to combat the amazing potential scum play? Idk. I was meta lynched too early.

On March 21 2018 18:03 rsoultin wrote:


yes! that is exactly it! thank you

I wish I could say which game he's explained it in. I think more than one. But yes.

On March 21 2018 18:06 KelsierSC wrote:


It was ... a joke. You typically go super hard down a rabbit hole of nonsense. I feel my genius is unappreciated

I really like noobking , I can actually understand what he writes which elevates him above half the game. I have no reason to lynch him other than HF says he is playing like some other scum game. I don't like using that argument and I enjoy his posting so not lynching. I think there is a bit of a gang up here on NK and I don't like it, definitely scum in the people voting him.

@DF

I gave reasons why I found the persona scummy, Then I noticed you had left exo off your town list after calling him smart to start with. I found that scummy at the time but I didn't go hard in the paint trying to lynch you. I just made early game observations.
I questioned you about it and your response that exo went down in your estimation fits with the timeline because that is when he starts defending his moosy vote and not understanding my post. I'm not holding that against you anymore.

I already gave an explanation for the dis vote, exo's inability to read the game is disappointing but not without precedent



exo just didn't see the explanation.



You saw it but didn't buy it, so what is your problem with the explanation exactly?


The way I caught you last time we played was I started pressuring you and you went full retard trying to OMGUS me and call me scum in return. Seems to be happening again.


My lynch pool is moosy,df,dis and slam as a last resort.

Everyone is saying exo is town and our fight was TvT , upsetting if true but If I try and get a lynch going everyone will just say he is stupid not scum and we get nowhere.

Slam you took up an entire page with unintelligible nonsense.

On March 22 2018 03:38 Holyflare wrote:
Why is he not scum?