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disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-28 00:23:49
March 28 2018 00:22 GMT
#3750
On March 28 2018 09:16 Calix wrote:
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On March 28 2018 09:11 disformation wrote:
On March 28 2018 09:07 Tictock wrote:
On March 28 2018 08:25 Calix wrote:
I'm with Palmar when it comes to this: Lynch D1 claimers. If they're mafia then you're a step closer to winning. If they're town then you lynch them anyway for being shite


I can get behind this.

Claiming should never be a hail-mary play to survive if you really are blue. If you are in that situation already you fucked up. If you do find yourself in that situation, you never handle it like noobking did. Claim at least 2 hours before the lynch or so, so that town has a solid chance to re-orient. Claim all info even if it means little.

But then again I almost never claim. If we had continued on I was planning to claim at EoN while checking Mocsta, and even then kus I figured I would be dying and might be my last chance.

Dammit, should have gone with my first instinct in just lynching outside of the blue claims, but nobody jumped on that notion.

yeah. that was actually one of the reasons i claimed so early. last minute claims are really fishy. and yeah you can do big boy plays when you dont claim with all info. but how are ppl gonna trust xou when u give no infos

edit: yo calix whats cbt? google says cock and ball torture.
not dure if you meant that, but sounds more enjoyable than this exercise thing my doc keeps recommending.


If BDSM's your thing then go for it, lol.

But I actually just meant Cognitive Behavioral Therapy.


nah, just hate excercise. though i guess google knows myself better than anyone, so who knows. the therapy thing sense makes much more sense though.


bed for real now. will prolly be around tomorrow to fight withdrawal symptoms.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 28 2018 09:03 GMT
#3818
On March 28 2018 08:25 Tictock wrote:
Ok since Moosy brought this up.

Tbh almost all you guys get pretty nasty in these games, and funnily enough you all tend to start shitting on each other for giving each other shit, and in turn are shitty to whoever was a bit shitty first.

My point is that it is just a massive shit fest.

The obv solution is to just start being polite, but that is almost never going to happen.

So maybe you should just reconsider your wording when you feel that urge to call someone stupid or berate a person. If you cannot handle what you are about to say to someone were it being said to you, then you probably shouldn't say it.

Idk, honestly this talk happens more often than not and this always becomes an issue so it's hard to see that attitude changing here.

yeah there was an atmosphere of distrust and yelling at each other in the game that really helped scum imo.
esp the distrust stuff.

like i know it can be very emotional and stressful esp as town and ive exploded (once literally) from that before. but try to be nice to each other more. very hard to work together when you are calling each other idiots.

remind me to fetch some old anti-communism propaganda posters and photoshop paint them into "When you cuss each other out the SCUM wins" kinda shit.
On March 28 2018 08:32 Koshi wrote:
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On March 28 2018 08:27 disformation wrote:
On March 28 2018 08:20 Koshi wrote:
On March 23 2018 06:32 Koshi wrote:
Man I was going to post this on deadline but w.e.
I think the risk is too high cool people will die.
RIP 3 townies.

I am paying attention. Suprise!
Best reads in spoiler. Town MVP Throphy = thx.
Mafia will probably win if slightly mafia balanced. Too much KP. Too many limited town players.

+ Show Spoiler +
Top town
18. Coagulation (town seal)
9. KelsierSC (top town since start; if you don't see it you are plebs)
6. rsoultin (top town since start; if you don't see it you are plebs)
7. Vivax (tip top town, because he lives in Vivax world)

Townish

3. ExO_ (Some1 mindmelded with him. The mindmeldee is mostly town. Other than that he doesn't look good)
17. Tictock (I said this after a post he made)
4. Mocsta (seems lost. Being lost here is good)
20. MoosyDoosy (I think he is town just based on thread sentiment against him)

I have hope for these players
15. Palmar (high hopes)
1. Holyflare (less high hopes)

Can flip either way
8. raynpelikoneet (not enough cares during lynch, nothing smart during night, pushes the idea df is town on something he didn't read properly. But he seems a bit lost which is townie)
14. disformation (still looks mafia to me)
10. ykl (Meh, needs more sass, way too safe)
11. n00bking (He might be good at playing mafia, I think he is town)
5. Alakaslam (potential false prophet)

mafia
2. Conversion (I call him mafia, he says I am always wrong on his alignment.)
12. darthfoley (I call him mafia, he says I am wrong.)
16. Fecalfeast (0 impact)

Still happy but outplayed by mafia team d3. And my bottom was very bad. Why I gained so much heat d2 I still dont understand.

Also dnu why I got so angry after I was doing so good... Oh well. BM is also fun at times.

Tricked by townie seal. Palmar made good posts d1. Rayn made good posts d3. Disfo was a nice guy.

Never would have won with morons like mocsta.

oh btw wtf was that d1 insta scum read about, still don't rly understand it xD

Nonchalant helping thing when it isnt needed is more mafia in my mind.

That pinged me.

It is just after that you did nothing townie. My previous mindset was to keep blue claims alive d1 and figure them out later. But my d1 is mostly my best day. (Most times townreads and PoE, not mafia reads but they are a byproduct)

But again... the townies this game were a bunch of retarded pieces of shit that made it super unpleasant to come back in the thread. Mocsta, df in particular. Why I bothered I dont understand. Never again.

Only mafia was nice to me xcept palmad.

will try to keep that in mind.
will also steal palmad for my collection of things i call palmar.
On March 28 2018 10:08 Mocsta wrote:
Upon reflection this game makes me sad.
Outcome aside, it shows to me that under duress I have barely changed at all in so many years.

There are lots of things I could have done better this game; however, the most disappointing aspect of my play, personally, was the weakness of reads; leading to being called scummy. I do get it, and its on me to improve this, not others.

I play mafia because I enjoy working with teams to solve a larger problem at hand.
When half the game is not online when I am, or not giving me active feedback; my default coping mechanism is to inject more. Something I need to erradicate in both mafia and real-life.
I actually thought I had got there, which is why I want to verify through a few games this year.

The truth doth hurt



I dont really have feedback for anyone, given how poor my game was.
I think my strongest phase was the first 30hrs, which probably aligns with town in general given disformation was a lead wagon.

After that vet claim, the entire thread destabilised and never really recovered.

it is actually hard to change oneself in a significant way imo.
like i feel subconsciousness and reflexes to certain kinds of input are really strong and really hard to unlearn.
On March 28 2018 11:18 darthfoley wrote:
I think I prefer 13 player games. 20 players just felt like way too much happening all at once tbh. It's a fun change up though

yeah. at some points i was like "why am i doing this to myself".
maybe maso after all. =D
On March 28 2018 13:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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ill submit:

rayn kill: rsoultin
rayn jail: mocsta
palmar kill: tictock
palmar watch: mocsta

and watch the thread. think mocsta just posted some stuff on you... maybe tina changes her opinion again

Uh.. disformation. Aside from not jailing rsoultin why were we even jailing and watching the same guy?

Palmar asked me to change his action to that and I was too busy fucking up the other stuff, so i dindt think much about it.
but thanks for pointing out the many mistakes i made that night. mistakes are a good teacher and i dont think ill forget that night for a long time.

also thanks for the carry you played really well imo.
On March 28 2018 14:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Tina i didn't really got you were blue and i don't know why Palmar and / or disfo decided to watch you N1 but it was a really good call. Only thing i said about night actions was "if i am getting tracked or something i will blame you guys" when they were about to make me deliver a kill.

nah we had palmar watching you n1 and saw her visit you. since she was tring your fairly hard and that post you quoted d3, we were pretty sure she is doc or jk.
On March 28 2018 14:40 rsoultin wrote:
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On March 26 2018 07:58 rsoultin wrote:
If I Die Before I Wake

Koshi 100% scum. All you need to see that is reading his posts post-flip. Too happy about players getting themselves modkilled, the comment about Slam, etc. Add to that his complete lack of influence on the game.

*Palmar 98% scum. I lied The way he delurked on weekend to attack n00bking both when NK first brought up the contradiction in his perception of blue claims, and when NK claimed blue, is not only opportunistic but counter to how Palmar normally plays weekends as town. Which is to say, he doesn't. Moreover, it was a classic strawman argument that he made. Namely, that he was saying he didn't push it as he should in the last game so NK was lying. But obviously he 1) did push it with just a few minutes left to go and 2) if he saw it as a mistake he's more likely to try to get such blue claims lynched harder in the future. A strawman argument, given Palmar, doesn't make him scum normally but I'd say it almost certainly does when he makes it seriously. If I get nk'd tonight, he's also probably the reason. Though, to be fair, I probably was going to get NK'd regardless of the scum team. Also, his reactions after the flips were only slightly better than koshi's.

(sorry, rayn. I did find your point plausible, I just don't think he thinks people are going to go digging up old games to see if his approach to the game on that specific point line up. And I actually think it makes disfo a bit more likely to be scum, as well)

Moosy 90% scum. I think there's an eentsy beentsy chance I'm just expecting too much of him. I think he's hoping to bank on Rayn's read and a general perception that he's just a trolly, useless player. To me, he never has been. And because I don't want to call him useless or anything if I happen to be wrong here, I'm just going to say this would have to be a very off game for him given the Moosy I remember, to reduce his game post flips to blind associations everywhere and little interaction with other players.

disformation 60% scum. Wasn't lying about saying fuck it regarding filters. So this is more feels and intuition based off his play in vendee where he was pretty on the ball and off doing whatever he wanted and dumping analysis into the thread. Here it's less like he's poking into things and finding things that interest him, but rather being led by the nose where to sniff. I don't mind waffling when I can see people have points in favor and points against that they want to express to show what's making them unsure. With him, though, there's just too many posts where he talks without really saying anything, like his read on Moosy. That's a different kind of waffle. Caveat is yeah, I'm basing this off two games and confirming he can be active as fuck as scum.

FF 55% town. Putting him at a slight townread because of how he interacted with me at EoD 2. It just seemed very open and honest, like a puppy ;o; This is obviously a very weak read and if I'm wrong on anyone it's probably him and one of disfo/moosy (more likely disfo than moosy).

DF, TT, rayn and Mocsta are always town here (even though I'd love for Mocsta to be our friendly neighborhood SK ;o;). You can of course disagree. But I still stand by my scum probably has next to no motivation to play when the game could probably literally end tonight. Rayn's outburst I don't think ever comes from scum for reasons I've already said.

Coag...if this is the game man, kudos?


still somewhat pissed about that. like the possibility of town lying about a read does not exist in my head. another thing to learn from this game i guess.
On March 28 2018 15:09 Mocsta wrote:
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On March 28 2018 14:57 rsoultin wrote:
On March 28 2018 14:54 Mocsta wrote:
On March 28 2018 14:48 rsoultin wrote:
trying to figure out how to crumb well enough that people can find them but not so overtly that you give mafia a ton of information before you flip is hard @.@

i'm not a good blue player

at least this time i didn't claim d2 thinking missing kp meant i'd jk'd scum without pausing to think about the other scenarios, and then my lovely friend who always scumreads me (ExO) who was an alignment cop, outs to say i'm godfather because his town result was colored green and not blue. i saw it coming (not the last bit, just the lead up to the role reveal) and was like, no, no, they have a framer stop ;o; now two blues will have claimed for nothing. but it was even sillier lol ><

incidentally palmar and sl were scum there and won that game too lol ><
Lol. hey, you did something absolutely right n2 to keep the game going, so well done!

dont beat yaself up.. hey.. im the guy that genuinely thought mafia could only be strongman or backup and outed myself.
i never recovered from that - at least thats my excuse this game

I was hoping our first town-town game would have resulted in at least one successful lynch


lol it might have...this game was weird in many ways @.@ bad reads don't help \o/

you're super fun to play with though so I hope you keep playing

i also really enjoy playing with df? don't want to get that convo started again but yeah, just putting that out there

then again joni is a good friend and i've never minded ksc so maybe i'm just jaded lol
Yeah, you too. I doubt I will play again any time soon though.
Mafia is *such* a timesink. Im amazed that people can separate themselves from the obsesssion of the puzzle - i certainly struggle to do it.

yeah i always tank my sleep schedule and productivity at work when playing mafia.
On March 28 2018 16:37 Holyflare wrote:
Sad I had a good disfo case. What's with all these "normals" and crazy roles? :p

a lot of ppl had a lot of good points on me.
surprised i just didnt get lunched regardless of claim.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 28 2018 09:25 GMT
#3820
On March 28 2018 18:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On March 28 2018 18:03 disformation wrote:
nah we had palmar watching you n1 and saw her visit you. since she was tring your fairly hard and that post you quoted d3, we were pretty sure she is doc or jk.

I am pretty sure she was doc or jk wayyy early on D2.

mh? in qt
/m131 by palmar
To be fair, and I'm risking being too optimistic here... rsoultin is probably a doc or a jk. She doesn't talk much about rayn, but I think she townread him throughout the game.

like right after night actions resolved
/m145 by palmar
rsoultin confirmed not cop or tracker or role cop.

She would have taken a much more firm stance one way or the other if she knows anything about rayn: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=26967442

So, it looks like we found a doc or a jk or perhaps a watcher (in which case she'll know I visited rayn).

In any case, we need to kill her, she's a blue.

/m148 and /m147 by you:
I think #1891 is a doc/JK crumb.

Also yeah rsoultin is never an investigative role. There is no way she has any sort of result in me and does not talk about me more.Edited 03-23-2018 05:18 AM


so maybe you knew a bit earlier, but didnt post right away in qt, but i'd say it is a tie between you and palmar
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-28 09:32:45
March 28 2018 09:30 GMT
#3822
fair enough. i also understand that you are not very pleased with the n2 actions i did. not very happy myself. sry i made you play for another day phase.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 28 2018 09:38 GMT
#3824
aight fair enough.
prolly more annoyed at myself for not thinking straight and getting played by rs lying bout the plamar read.

like either should have made coag or myself carry the shot or go for block rs and shoot mocsta/whoever. both options would have been better than what i did.
i do not like making mistakes. xD

but as i said you gotta learn from your mistakes
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-28 10:36:53
March 28 2018 10:36 GMT
#3832
aight thanks rayn.
*shakes fist at tina* foiled yet again.

and i would have gotten away with it if it wasnt for you meddling kids!

edit: yeah wtb one of those seals
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 28 2018 12:10 GMT
#3837
tldr: game results in everyone being salty with rs.


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